Political round up.............

CaledonianCraig wrote:

GSC wrote:The Scots voted to remain part of the UK.

The UK voted to leave the EU. Every Scottish vote counted the same as every other UK citizen. I don't see the issue.

The Scots (a good number if you look at post-ref stats from neutral sources) decided to vote no on varying issues. One of the main ones was because they feared losing their place in Europe. That won loads of votes for Better Together and has proved to be fruitless for the voters as they are now out of Europe.

The issue is that many Scots sees Scotland as its own country - sure not independent - but very close to it as they have their own government. However, when they vote by 62% to remain in Europe and end up being taken out of Europe it becomes a big issue to many. Yes we know the UK voted to exit but there are perhaps a million plus Scots who fail to recognize or accept being part of the UK or see themselves Scottish first and foremost and feel how they vote should hold more water than it does in the current union.

LionsV2 wrote:

Ent wrote:Interesting article.

I doubt it is powered adequately to make claims about the sub groups as it tries to though.

Young people know little about politics, well duh. Almost no time is devoted to it in school unless you take a crappy a level in it. I knew nothing about politics when I was 18. Only going to get worse in the future due to the internet and people not using accurate sources.

Exactly.

I trust older voters with the future of this country a lot more than younger voters because they have experienced all sorts of different governments and can vote accordingly. An 18 year old who has never had to rely on himself simply does not have the required know how to make a balanced opinion, an age group that is predominantly remain voting for a Eurosceptic makes no logical sense.

GSC wrote:People believe what they want to see regardless of the source

Pr4wn wrote:

GSC wrote:People believe what they want to see regardless of the source

Indeed, Harrier here is a case in point.

LionsV2 wrote:You're not worth my time, carry on worshipping Mr Photo Opportunity and I'll stick to proper politicians.

LionsV2 wrote:Not with you I don't, if I were debating with someone who's opinion I gave a damn about then I would substantiate but I find you tiresome and frankly boring.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:On a ?lighter? note:

"I was struggling to think why wouldn't a youngster from Glasgow without a job come down to the south to work for a farm for the summer with loads of gorgeous EU women working there?"

Craig mackinlay. Tory MP for south Thanet.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:It's rather standard "alt-right" debating tactics:
- make outlandish, easily refuted claim.
- state that claim is only an opinion, and therefore* as equally valid claim as any other opinion.
- when said claim is challenged/refuted, shout about being oppressed and the death of free speech.

Free speech means you can say something, it doesn't mean you can't be challenged, or that people have to listen or even promote what you're saying.

* a particularly dangerous bit of logic, that, and why Gove's "people are tired of experts" lines was incredibly irresponsible.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:On a ?lighter? note:

"I was struggling to think why wouldn't a youngster from Glasgow without a job come down to the south to work for a farm for the summer with loads of gorgeous EU women working there?"

Craig mackinlay. Tory MP for south Thanet.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:It's rather standard "alt-right" debating tactics:
- make outlandish, easily refuted claim.
- state that claim is only an opinion, and therefore* as equally valid claim as any other opinion.
- when said claim is challenged/refuted, shout about being oppressed and the death of free speech.

Free speech means you can say something, it doesn't mean you can't be challenged, or that people have to listen or even promote what you're saying.

* a particularly dangerous bit of logic, that, and why Gove's "people are tired of experts" lines was incredibly irresponsible.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:It's rather standard "alt-right" debating tactics:
- make outlandish, easily refuted claim.
- state that claim is only an opinion, and therefore* as equally valid claim as any other opinion.
- when said claim is challenged/refuted, shout about being oppressed and the death of free speech.

Free speech means you can say something, it doesn't mean you can't be challenged, or that people have to listen or even promote what you're saying.

* a particularly dangerous bit of logic, that, and why Gove's "people are tired of experts" lines was incredibly irresponsible.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:On a ?lighter? note:

"I was struggling to think why wouldn't a youngster from Glasgow without a job come down to the south to work for a farm for the summer with loads of gorgeous EU women working there?"

Craig mackinlay. Tory MP for south Thanet.

GSC wrote:Because he beat Farage?

LionsV2 wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:It's rather standard "alt-right" debating tactics:
- make outlandish, easily refuted claim.
- state that claim is only an opinion, and therefore* as equally valid claim as any other opinion.
- when said claim is challenged/refuted, shout about being oppressed and the death of free speech.

Free speech means you can say something, it doesn't mean you can't be challenged, or that people have to listen or even promote what you're saying.

* a particularly dangerous bit of logic, that, and why Gove's "people are tired of experts" lines was incredibly irresponsible.

Ahhh yes that's definitely a right wing problem isn't it, if any of my comments were refuted with anything approaching sense then I'd debate appropriately, I have no time for 'loony lefty' rubbish. Accusing someone of being alt-right on here is perfectly acceptable but i'll be censored for saying that.

LionsV2 wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:It's rather standard "alt-right" debating tactics:
- make outlandish, easily refuted claim.
- state that claim is only an opinion, and therefore* as equally valid claim as any other opinion.
- when said claim is challenged/refuted, shout about being oppressed and the death of free speech.

Free speech means you can say something, it doesn't mean you can't be challenged, or that people have to listen or even promote what you're saying.

* a particularly dangerous bit of logic, that, and why Gove's "people are tired of experts" lines was incredibly irresponsible.

Ahhh yes that's definitely a right wing problem isn't it, if any of my comments were refuted with anything approaching sense then I'd debate appropriately, I have no time for 'loony lefty' rubbish. Accusing someone of being alt-right on here is perfectly acceptable but i'll be censored for saying that.