UK General Election 2017 Thread

[Hammersmith harrier]

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[Samo]

There should also be concerns for: Human rights being "removed" from people who there isn't legitimate proof of terrorist activities (or the planning thereof). They are then innocent.

Mostly, she should be chastised for how empty a comment it is. Does it actually mean anything? Or is it an unquantifiable promise for a soundbite? It feels to me like they've made a lot of unquantified statements

Its a cheap trick to not only deflect from her own failings as Home Sec and the destruction of the police force, but a disgusting ploy to exploit the victims of recent terror attacks to score political points.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I agree with the first point there Samo, but not the second. I think she's an unstable leader, but they're all making security points at the moment.

[Scottrf]

There should also be concerns for: Human rights being "removed" from people who there isn't legitimate proof of terrorist activities (or the planning thereof). They are then innocent.

Mostly, she should be chastised for how empty a comment it is. Does it actually mean anything? Or is it an unquantifiable promise for a soundbite? It feels to me like they've made a lot of unquantified statements

Its a cheap trick to not only deflect from her own failings as Home Sec and the destruction of the police force, but a disgusting ploy to exploit the victims of recent terror attacks to score political points.

Trying to come up with policies and learnings to prevent future attacks isn't a disgusting ploy to exploit anything. We need action not tiptoeing.

[Samo]

There should also be concerns for: Human rights being "removed" from people who there isn't legitimate proof of terrorist activities (or the planning thereof). They are then innocent.

Mostly, she should be chastised for how empty a comment it is. Does it actually mean anything? Or is it an unquantifiable promise for a soundbite? It feels to me like they've made a lot of unquantified statements

Its a cheap trick to not only deflect from her own failings as Home Sec and the destruction of the police force, but a disgusting ploy to exploit the victims of recent terror attacks to score political points.

Trying to come up with policies and learnings to prevent future attacks isn't a disgusting ploy to exploit anything. We need action not tiptoeing.

Shes had 7 years since she became Home Sec to do something like this, but she waits until 2 days before a General Election and a day after a terror attack to suggest it? What part of that doesnt read exploitation?

[Scottrf]

Shes had 7 years since she became Home Sec to do something like this, but she waits until 2 days before a General Election and a day after a terror attack to suggest it?  What part of that doesnt read exploitation?

Honestly I don't think you live in the real world. She's the leader of the country, she is expected to tell us what she plans to do.

Her record as Home Secretary is a separate (but relevant) point, but for her not to comment on this issue would be a ridiculously empty gesture. It's her job, and people want to know her view for when they vote.

[CaledonianCraig]

All I know is that Tory supporters must be either blind, dyslexic or desperate. I have SNP posters in my window and what did I find rammed through my letterbox - Tory leaflets.

As for Samo he is right in that all these soundbytes coming from May are exactly that. Sounbytes. She has been part of the government for a fair few years now and in a position to make changes (unlike the opposition) and hasn't - well apart from reducing police numbers.

[Scottrf]

All I know is that Tory supporters must be either blind, dyslexic or desperate. I have SNP posters in my window and what did I find rammed through my letterbox - Tory leaflets.

As for Samo he is right in that all these soundbytes coming from May are exactly that. Sounbytes. She has been part of the government for a fair few years now and in a position to make changes (unlike the opposition) and hasn't - well apart from reducing police numbers.

Would agree with that part and people may be wiser to judge on record than promises. But the idea that she should go into a period of mourning through silence and refuse to comment on the biggest issue of the moment is bat$hit crazy.

[CaledonianCraig]

All I know is that Tory supporters must be either blind, dyslexic or desperate. I have SNP posters in my window and what did I find rammed through my letterbox - Tory leaflets.

As for Samo he is right in that all these soundbytes coming from May are exactly that. Sounbytes. She has been part of the government for a fair few years now and in a position to make changes (unlike the opposition) and hasn't - well apart from reducing police numbers.

Would agree with that part and people may be wiser to judge on record than promises. But the idea that she should go into a period of mourning through  silence and refuse to comment on the biggest issue of the moment is bat$hit crazy.

No issues with her commenting as she has to but basically empty....very empty words.

[superflyweight]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Shes had 7 years since she became Home Sec to do something like this, but she waits until 2 days before a General Election and a day after a terror attack to suggest it?  What part of that doesnt read exploitation?

She's actually had no time to do something like this because of the European court of human rights which we're currently hand tied by but ignore the facts.

Something has to be done about it and now that we're leaving the EU it is the time to start taking action especially after three attacks in as many months but dismiss it all you want, not like it's a prevalent issue right now.

[CaledonianCraig]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quote lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

[TRUSSMAN66]

I'd be surprised in an election with two completely different visions whether there any floating voters left to be had....

My guess is everyone has decided and it is dependent on getting out the vote..

[GSC]

I don't really want to vote for anyone to be honest. One of the least inspiring elections in recent memory

[Scottrf]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

[GSC]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

[CaledonianCraig]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

[Pr4wn]

Fair is fair, May should not just sit and be quiet after the attacks that Britain has suffered recently. The people deserve action from the leader and, although I don't agree with the way she's going about it, she's giving them some kind of action.

However, she cut 19,000 police officers. She has to bear some responsibility for making Britain a more dangerous place.

[Pr4wn]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

This is whataboutery as well. Stop being so blinkered.

[Hammersmith harrier]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

Seven years of being blocked by the EU.

[CaledonianCraig]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

This is whataboutery as well. Stop being so blinkered.

Noble sentiments. I will if you will.

[CaledonianCraig]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

Seven years of being blocked by the EU.

Jeez I never knew the EU regulates policing levels in the UK.

[Pr4wn]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

This is whataboutery as well. Stop being so blinkered.

Noble sentiments. I will if you will.

Again, point out where I have been.

[dyrewolfe]

Fair is fair, May should not just sit and be quiet after the attacks that Britain has suffered recently. The people deserve action from the leader and, although I don't agree with the way she's going about it, she's giving them some kind of action.

However, she cut 19,000 police officers. She has to bear some responsibility for making Britain a more dangerous place.

Jesus Prawn...stop posting stuff I agree with, out of the blue like that! Just as well I had a chair handy.

Its not just MI5, MI6 and GCHQ that need more resources. I don't think the government appreciates how much intel can be gained from simple community engagement by "bobbies on the beat".

And all the resources in the world won't help if our intel services are ignoring reports from people trying to bring attention to potential terrorists (sometimes YEARS in advance). Some backsides definitely need to be kicked on that score.

[Scottrf]

Jesus Prawn...stop posting stuff I agree with, out of the blue like that! Just as well I had a chair handy.

Its not just MI5, MI6 and GCHQ that need more resources. I don't think the government appreciates how much intel can be gained from simple community engagement by "bobbies on the beat".

And all the resources in the world won't help if our intel services are ignoring reports from people trying to bring attention to potential terrorists. Some backsides definitely need to be kicked on that score.

I don't think ignoring reports is the right terminology. They are categorising and prioritising.

Numbers vary somewhat but there are 500 people being actively investigated, 3,000 with high concern and tens of thousands with sympathies towards the ideologies. The sheer volume of information must be staggering and we cannot afford to follow up and act on everything.

Maybe they made a mistake in not considering some a higher priority but I don't think that's something the media or public knows, or can know.

[Crimey]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

Seven years of being blocked by the EU.

The European Convention of Human Rights is separate to the EU.

[Pal Joey]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

This is whataboutery as well. Stop being so blinkered.

Noble sentiments. I will if you will.

Again, point out where I have been.

You know... here, there, everywhere... and whatabouts and roundabouts. Does that cover it?

So, the most critical final 24 hours is here. Things should get really desperate today. The exploitation meter will be pushed to "extreme" no doubt.

Democracy has a lot to answer for!

[CaledonianCraig]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

This is whataboutery as well. Stop being so blinkered.

Noble sentiments. I will if you will.

Again, point out where I have been.

Forgive me for not wishing to drain away my life sifting through age old posts on 606v2 and apologies to you if it wasn't you but I've posted before on here about SNP performing better on the NHS than Westminster government is and on the state of prison services yet posters here have been blinkered very much to that. The mindset of posters here (a lot of whom are not even living in Scotland) is that the SNP are incompetent when so much points to that being untrue. I'm not saying the SNP are perfect but thank god I am not faced with GSC's dilemma.

[Samo]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

Seven years of being blocked by the EU.

The European Convention of Human Rights is separate to the EU.

SSSSSHHHHHHHHH Dont let the facts get in the way of an agenda.

[Hammersmith harrier]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

Seven years of being blocked by the EU.

The European Convention of Human Rights is separate to the EU.

It is and it isn't, to be a member of the EU you have to be part of the European council and adhering to all courts that are part of that.

[TRUSSMAN66]

Got a tough pm that refused to go on C4....The today program basically anywhere where she could be grilled..Refused to debate.

That is going to give it to Europe..

Okay.

[dyrewolfe]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

Seven years of being blocked by the EU.

 Jeez I never knew the EU regulates policing levels in the UK.

I believe Hammersmith is referring to the restrictions on our policing powers, placed on us by the ECHR, such as rules on arrest and detainment, phone tapping / hacking, reading emails etc.

Judging from her statement, May intends to increase police powers to monitor and arrest suspects.

But I would agree that cutting police numbers so drastically hasn't helped.

[Scottrf]

I think the last criticism you could have of our security services is that they lack the ability to intercept our communications...

[Pr4wn]

Jesus Prawn...stop posting stuff I agree with, out of the blue like that! Just as well I had a chair handy.

Its not just MI5, MI6 and GCHQ that need more resources. I don't think the government appreciates how much intel can be gained from simple community engagement by "bobbies on the beat".

And all the resources in the world won't help if our intel services are ignoring reports from people trying to bring attention to potential terrorists. Some backsides definitely need to be kicked on that score.

I don't think ignoring reports is the right terminology. They are categorising and prioritising.

Numbers vary somewhat but there are 500 people being actively investigated, 3,000 with high concern and tens of thousands with sympathies towards the ideologies. The sheer volume of information must be staggering and we cannot afford to follow up and act on everything.

Maybe they made a mistake in not considering some a higher priority but I don't think that's something the media or public knows, or can know.

Just think of the additional work that could have been done had 19,000 officers not been removed from the force.

[Pr4wn]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

This is whataboutery as well. Stop being so blinkered.

Noble sentiments. I will if you will.

Again, point out where I have been.

Forgive me for not wishing to drain away my life sifting through age old posts on 606v2 and apologies to you if it wasn't you but I've posted before on here about SNP performing better on the NHS than Westminster government is and on the state of prison services yet posters here have been blinkered very much to that. The mindset of posters here (a lot of whom are not even living in Scotland) is that the SNP are incompetent when so much points to that being untrue. I'm not saying the SNP are perfect but thank god I am not faced with GSC's dilemma.

Oh I agree, and I'm certainly not one of those that thinks that everything that the SNP ever does is bad. In fact, I'm very sympathetic with the Scots' position with them being so politically divorced from mainstream British politics these days.

The difference is that you can't handle any criticism levied at the SNP at all. You've displayed that multiple times.

[dyrewolfe]

Jesus Prawn...stop posting stuff I agree with, out of the blue like that! Just as well I had a chair handy.

Its not just MI5, MI6 and GCHQ that need more resources. I don't think the government appreciates how much intel can be gained from simple community engagement by "bobbies on the beat".

And all the resources in the world won't help if our intel services are ignoring reports from people trying to bring attention to potential terrorists. Some backsides definitely need to be kicked on that score.

I don't think ignoring reports is the right terminology. They are categorising and prioritising.

Numbers vary somewhat but there are 500 people being actively investigated, 3,000 with high concern and tens of thousands with sympathies towards the ideologies. The sheer volume of information must be staggering and we cannot afford to follow up and act on everything.

Maybe they made a mistake in not considering some a higher priority but I don't think that's something the media or public knows, or can know.

According to the news reports I've seen, at least one of the London attackers was reported on multiple occasions, as far back as 2015. Even if there is no evidence of attacks being planned, if they are being reported by people in their communities, as having extremist tendencies, they should be subject to closer scrutiny, at the very least.

I'm aware of the figures and I think it shows our police and security services desperately need more personnel, so that more of these people can be kept track of. Maybe a different prioritisation system would help too.

I know its unrealistic to expect every single terrorist plot to be thwarted, but having these 3 in fairly close succession, indicates to me that some pretty radical changes are in order.

[Pr4wn]

As an aside, has anyone seen the clip of Maybot on ITV where the interviewer asks here what the naughtiest thing she ever did was?

If not, I encourage you to watch it. I never knew Theresa was such a rogue.

[Scottrf]

Jesus Prawn...stop posting stuff I agree with, out of the blue like that! Just as well I had a chair handy.

Its not just MI5, MI6 and GCHQ that need more resources. I don't think the government appreciates how much intel can be gained from simple community engagement by "bobbies on the beat".

And all the resources in the world won't help if our intel services are ignoring reports from people trying to bring attention to potential terrorists. Some backsides definitely need to be kicked on that score.

I don't think ignoring reports is the right terminology. They are categorising and prioritising.

Numbers vary somewhat but there are 500 people being actively investigated, 3,000 with high concern and tens of thousands with sympathies towards the ideologies. The sheer volume of information must be staggering and we cannot afford to follow up and act on everything.

Maybe they made a mistake in not considering some a higher priority but I don't think that's something the media or public knows, or can know.

According to the news reports I've seen, at least one of the London attackers was reported on multiple occasions, as far back as 2015. Even if there is no evidence of attacks being planned, if they are being reported by people in their communities, as having extremist tendencies, they should be subject to closer scrutiny, at the very least.

1. You don't know that they weren't watched more closely.
2. Do you know how many people are reported?
3. Threats change. Maybe he wasn't a serious threat when reported.

Lets says 20,000 people have been reported since 2010. You think we can have a man watching them constantly for that time?

Criticising based on someone being reported is only valid if 1. You can prove that based on the information they had that they were a bigger threat than others that more attention was paid to or 2. We can afford to keep constant surveillance on everyone that's ever been reported. Neither of those is the case.

[CaledonianCraig]

A bit like Sturgeon on education then.  

If you believe the mainstream unionist media that is. They quoye lower results for youngsters but ignore higher levels of exam passes at older age groups so take your pick.

The older age groups that went through most of the education system before she got there?

Over two years worth of new practices put in place so you take your pick really. She has been in power for just over two years whilst May has had how long to make a difference? Seven years?

This is whataboutery as well. Stop being so blinkered.

Noble sentiments. I will if you will.

Again, point out where I have been.

Forgive me for not wishing to drain away my life sifting through age old posts on 606v2 and apologies to you if it wasn't you but I've posted before on here about SNP performing better on the NHS than Westminster government is and on the state of prison services yet posters here have been blinkered very much to that. The mindset of posters here (a lot of whom are not even living in Scotland) is that the SNP are incompetent when so much points to that being untrue. I'm not saying the SNP are perfect but thank god I am not faced with GSC's dilemma.

Oh I agree, and I'm certainly not one of those that thinks that everything that the SNP ever does is bad. In fact, I'm very sympathetic with the Scots' position with them being so politically divorced from mainstream British politics these days.

The difference is that you can't handle any criticism levied at the SNP at all. You've displayed that multiple times.

With good reason when criticism comes from quarters outwith Scotland. I am the sort that will go into trench mode if you will. If people throw so much crap without listening to reason then I will throw it back. Sadly, that dilutes the quality of debate but there you go.

[Pr4wn]

Well then you should work on that because it detracts from your points.

[CaledonianCraig]

Well then you should work on that because it detracts from your points.

Perhaps put out a board-wide post then as there are others far more guilty than me of that.

[Pr4wn]

Lol. You're doing it again. This is why people don't take you seriously.

[CaledonianCraig]

Lol. You're doing it again. This is why people don't take you seriously.

No it is a very valid point actually. Pity you cannot see that but hey-ho I will leave you to it.

Enjoy the election folks.

[Pal Joey]

Happy voting Craig!

[Hero]

As an aside, has anyone seen the clip of Maybot on ITV where the interviewer asks here what the naughtiest thing she ever did was?

If not, I encourage you to watch it. I never knew Theresa was such a rogue.

Was her answer 'f*ck the NHS'?

[Pr4wn]

Just watch it, you won't regret it.

Sounds like she was completely uncontrollable as a child.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

She likes to run through wheat - back before power changed her from Smaegol to Gollum

[Scottrf]

https://www.indy100.com/article/election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-terrorism-policing-pmq-david-cameron-2015-bridge-7776511

[Samo]

https://www.indy100.com/article/election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-terrorism-policing-pmq-david-cameron-2015-bridge-7776511

Dont know why I expected better behaviour from a bunch of sociopaths.

[Pr4wn]

But.... but... he hates the UK?

[Hammersmith harrier]

Ahh the good old days of David Cameron putting Corbyn in his place.

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