Argentina vs England, 2nd test

GeordieFalcon wrote:

yappysnap wrote:Glad to hear Collier went so well on tour, he's not really hot the praise at Quins that he deserves as Synk picks up all the accolades.

I guess he's still behind Cole, Synkler and Mullan though?

A LH amongst TH's Yappy

yappysnap wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

yappysnap wrote:Glad to hear Collier went so well on tour, he's not really hot the praise at Quins that he deserves as Synk picks up all the accolades.

I guess he's still behind Cole, Synkler and Mullan though?

A LH amongst TH's Yappy

Ffs, look I have never been in a scrum in my life. It all sounds like made up words to me!

yappysnap wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

yappysnap wrote:Glad to hear Collier went so well on tour, he's not really hot the praise at Quins that he deserves as Synk picks up all the accolades.

I guess he's still behind Cole, Synkler and Mullan though?

A LH amongst TH's Yappy

Ffs, look I have never been in a scrum in my life. It all sounds like made up words to me!

Hood83 wrote:So what do we think are the positive and negatives from the tour? I'd have it as:

Positives

Our counter-attacking (or "transition" if you're from the SH) looked a step above anything I've seen previously. We converted sloppy mistakes from Argentina into tries from half chances. I thought that was a step in the right direction.  

Our depth is obviously extremely impressive, but we probably already knew that.

The next generation have had a taste of international rugby. I can't see it being anything but a good thing for Isiekwe, Curry and Underhill to play, and play that well, at this stage of their careers.

Ford's either in a rich vein of form, or he's raised his game another level. The same could be said for Launchbury. The other old hand Robshaw also looked fantastic.

Negatives

Scrum - It ended up holding up OK with Collier and Mullan against their replacement props, but my worry is this - we have a great stable of props, but most can either scrummage, or do everything else. I'm not sure we have any one who can do both. If we want to match the ABs I think either carriers like Genge, Mako and Sinckler need to significantly improve their scrummaging, or Collier etc. need to improve their mobility. I think we have the opposite problem with our locks - all fantastic all rounders, but perhaps not the greatest carriers.

Defence - Not bad but in the wide channels we seemed to get twisted and turned and up front there were times Argentina made a lot of ground. I'd expect a team like SA (given their recent improvements) to punish us there.

Structure - We were very, very loose at times. Perhaps it helped our counter-attacking game, but sometimes we looked a little clueless. I still think we need to get the ball away from the ruck quicker and hit the line at pace, whenever we did, we scored. We jut didn't do it enough.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The scrum being a liability is exactly why Marler and Cole will still be around in 2019, if you can't do your primary job to a high standard first and foremost then the rest is irrelevant.