Irish ref, Irish TMO, game in Ireland, nothing changes.

First topic message reminder :

This is a farce, I know I will get ripped apart for this, but it is becoming a joke, what I have just seen in this first half between Leinster and Cardiff is a joke. How is Isa Nacewa still on the field, then going down like he has just been shot to milk a pen on half time. FFS

Also, do not get me started with the scrum, the young Cardiff boy Kieron Assirati is doing a number on Cain Healy yet the ref is letting Cain Healy get away with murder.

2017, Pro14, nothing changes.

Anyway, onto the second half.

Oh, just to edit, I forgot to mention Kearnys shoulder tackle when Cardiff were breaking through that was left unpunished by both Brace and Fitzgibbon. Whate a joke.

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Not that I'm aware of.

No 7&1/2 wrote:You name who you support in the English football prem. Jeff winter couldn't ref boro but could take charge  of Leeds Newcastle etc.

So why can't Pro14 refs name who they support (as if it weren't obvious in most cases)?

Also if a ref living in Leicester supports Man Utd he can therefore referee Leicester games. Surely there would then be a perception of bias. Is where they currently reside checked or where they were born?

I mean there is no way on this earth that Clancy or Lacey would ever favour Ulster against any side, quite the opposite in fact. There is however the perception of bias because we all originate from the same small lump of rock.

Bias is a bit like offence. If you look hard enough you can convince yourself that you've found it or a perception of it

In football, accusations of referee bias come most often from managers trying to disguise their team's own inadequacies

Exactly. It just comes full circle one eyed fans and coaches looking to blame a ref as their team couldn't have been beaten fairly.

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Seems like a well run competition then the Rugby Champions Cup.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Seems like a well run competition then the Rugby Champions Cup.

Because the nations involved happen to be able to supple enough refs and officials to ensure neutrality? Even though you end up with the likes of JP Doyle reffing Irish teams? Makes sense

Happen to? Or make sure they do?

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Seems like a well run competition then the Rugby Champions Cup.

Because the nations involved happen to be able to supple enough refs and officials to ensure neutrality? Even though you end up with the likes of JP Doyle reffing Irish teams? Makes sense

Yes. It seems workable. The pro14 has just added another country to its league, with another pool of referees and they still can't manage it. Shocking.

Why does it matter though?

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Seems like a well run competition then the Rugby Champions Cup.

Because the nations involved happen to be able to supple enough refs and officials to ensure neutrality? Even though you end up with the likes of JP Doyle reffing Irish teams? Makes sense

Yes. It seems workable. The pro14 has just added another country to its league, with another pool of referees and they still can't manage it. Shocking.

That doesn't make it a well run competition because those participating have the resources available it just means they have the resources available

The Pro14 haven't had their full contingent of refs available with a number of them working the Rugby Championship and some of the SA refs haven't been available either

RugbyFan100 wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Seems like a well run competition then the Rugby Champions Cup.

That does not make it a well run competition in fact a number of things say the opposite.

Reducing the sponsorship of the competition to a planned 4 organizations but only getting the existing company (Heineken) to sign up at a much reduced rate is one fact that comes to mind.
Having to virtually give away tickets to ensure the final wasn't poorly attended for Saracens Toulon is another.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Seems like a well run competition then the Rugby Champions Cup.

Because the nations involved happen to be able to supple enough refs and officials to ensure neutrality? Even though you end up with the likes of JP Doyle reffing Irish teams? Makes sense

Yes. It seems workable. The pro14 has just added another country to its league, with another pool of referees and they still can't manage it. Shocking.

As explained that is not about organization it is about logistics, referee availability and the reality Scotland and Italy don't pull their weight (in supplying referees)
The European Cup has three fully professional leagues to call upon to supply it with referees

The Pro14 is a single league with teams from 5 nations - apples and oranges
Super 15/18 has also referees from a nation of one of the teams

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:Do Champions Cup rugby fixtures have referees officiating teams from their own country? (Excusing the likes of JP Doyle)

No but the number of French and English referees also available means there are more than enough Referees to cover all eventualities

This is not true of the Pro14

Seems like a well run competition then the Rugby Champions Cup.

Because the nations involved happen to be able to supple enough refs and officials to ensure neutrality? Even though you end up with the likes of JP Doyle reffing Irish teams? Makes sense

Yes. It seems workable. The pro14 has just added another country to its league, with another pool of referees and they still can't manage it. Shocking.

As explained that is not about organization it is about logistics, referee availability and the reality Scotland and Italy don't pull their weight (in supplying referees)
The European Cup has three fully professional leagues to call upon to supply it with referees

The Pro14 is a single league with teams from 5 nations - apples and oranges
Super 15/18 has also referees from a nation of one of the teams

Bilbao should be fun to fill up, they're already giving away loads of tickets. How ingenious to stage a major final in a country that doesn't have representation in the competition and most competitors and their fans are over 1000 miles away