Brexit

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 18 Oct 2017, 8:51 pm

First topic message reminder :

Galted wrote:It will stop foreigners praying in our mosques.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 28 Feb 2018, 10:32 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Boris Johnson isn't a good advertisement for Eton.

...but oh, so typical.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 01 Mar 2018, 9:27 pm

Anyone else feel that these Leavers' accusations of bullying being committed by the EU are a tad pathetic?

by Dave. Thu 01 Mar 2018, 9:46 pm

Not when the EU is openly threatening the Belfast Agreement, no. I'd say it's on the money.

by Samo Thu 01 Mar 2018, 9:48 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Anyone else feel that these Leavers' accusations of bullying being committed by the EU are a tad pathetic?

Why? Because the EU are doing exactly what the Remain camp said and the Leave side are starting to realise they have little to no power in these negotiations and cant actually have their cake and eat it?

It is a bit pathetic, yeah.

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 02 Mar 2018, 5:18 am

Dave. wrote:Not when the EU is openly threatening the Belfast Agreement, no. I'd say it's on the money.

49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible, the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the allisland economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement. 50. In the absence of agreed solutions, as set out in the previous paragraph, the United Kingdom will ensure that no new regulatory barriers develop between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, unless, consistent with the 1998 Agreement, the Northern Ireland Executive and Assembly agree that distinct arrangements are appropriate for Northern Ireland. In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal m

That was what the UK agreed to in the joint report.

Article 15 chapter 5 page 105

Should a subsequent agreement between the Union and the United Kingdom which allows addressing the unique circumstances on the island of Ireland, avoiding a hard border and protecting the 1998 Agreement in all its dimensions, become applicable after the entry into force of the Withdrawal Agreement, this Protocol shall not apply or shall cease to apply, as the case may be, in whole or in part, from the date of entry into force of such subsequent agreement and in accordance with that agreement.”

So if the UK sorts out the problem this won't apply. The UK didn't even bother putting out a proposal. For the sake of f*ck. Google it. How dare the EU legalise what we agreed to in December. It's like they're holding us to our word or something.

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 02 Mar 2018, 5:48 am

Also I vaguely remember you claiming that she'd done an alright job so far so how can you be angry at what she previously agreed to being formalised in text?

by Dave. Fri 02 Mar 2018, 7:25 am

Indeed. The backstop for the whole of the UK to align. Agreed at December. All OK so far.

See that stuff this week about NI staying in the Customs territory of the EU as a backstop, no mention of GB? THAT'S the issue. And that was not agreed by the UK. It had not been a mere restatement of December, it is the EU overreaching to try and say NI stays in, if GB goes. And the PM rightly slapped them down. And they'll have to done it down now. An Irish Sea Border is a breach of the Belfast Agreement.

The UK have put out proposals on the border. Indeed, we already have a currency border, a tax border. Head of HMRC says firms could declare customs like they do tax. I want the UK and the EU(RoI), to sit down and sort it out. But NI is being used a wedge issue to keep all of the UK in a customs union. Barnier, Leo Varadkar and Simon Coveney are playing with fire to ensure that happens IMO.

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 02 Mar 2018, 9:16 am

You complete nutter. Whether the whole of the UK and NI align is a matter for UK and NI. The reason it's not in the treaty is because that's between the NI and UK. Do you yearn for sovereignty without even knowing what it is? Why the f*ck would the EU put an internal UK matter in a treaty between the EU and the UK. If the UK chooses to align between UK and NI that's of no consequence to the EU. Infact it would be good for all concerned but it's not the EU who decides that.

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 02 Mar 2018, 9:18 am

God's sake. You don't even understand the absolute basics.

by **superflyweight** Fri 02 Mar 2018, 2:24 pm

He's had enough of facts, Shah.

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 02 Mar 2018, 3:19 pm

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/969569195129229312?s=20

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 13 Mar 2018, 7:44 pm

Oh look Britain is leaving the EU and Putin is taking the P**s..

The EU won't care...Trump doesn't care..

Q. What are you going to do ??
A. F**K All

by **Galted** Tue 13 Mar 2018, 8:34 pm

Hopefully Boris manages to p*ss them off, would be a good laugh seeing the fat little tw*t being dangled over a balcony.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 14 Mar 2018, 9:15 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Oh look Britain is leaving the EU and Putin is taking the P**s..

The EU won't care...Trump doesn't care..

Q. What are you going to do ??
A. F**K All

Of course the EU will care. Trump only cares about himself (and/or Putin), so you're probably correct with him. You're right that we'll do FA though - a few harsh words will put Putin in his place Rolling Eyes

.

by Samo Wed 14 Mar 2018, 2:30 pm

When Litvinenko was poisoned and killed, Theresa May was Home Sec. and promised action. Fast forward 12 years, May is PM now and has received donations of £820,000 from Russian Oligarchs.

Not all is as it seems though. Im not one for tin foil hat theories but something about this doesnt quite sit right.

by SecretFly Wed 14 Mar 2018, 2:57 pm

Samo wrote:When Litvinenko was poisoned and killed, Theresa May was Home Sec. and promised action. Fast forward 12 years, May is PM now and has received donations of £820,000 from Russian Oligarchs.

Not all is as it seems though. Im not one for tin foil hat theories but something about this doesnt quite sit right.

....a stitch up of the Russians by other nefarious globe-totting secret service operators????

It could never happen!!! It don't ever happen! The Twin towers was only a bunch of nutters wot did that!

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 14 Mar 2018, 3:02 pm

Samo wrote:When Litvinenko was poisoned and killed, Theresa May was Home Sec. and promised action. Fast forward 12 years, May is PM now and has received donations of £820,000 from Russian Oligarchs.

Not all is as it seems though. Im not one for tin foil hat theories but something about this doesnt quite sit right.

Yes, some utter f-wit released a Russian military WMD in Salisbury.

I'm not keen on May, but if your suggestion (on the back of no actual evidence) is that 'nothing' was done re. Litvinenko so the Tories/May could receive dodgy Russian cash, then you've clearly lost it.

by Samo Wed 14 Mar 2018, 3:30 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Samo wrote:When Litvinenko was poisoned and killed, Theresa May was Home Sec. and promised action. Fast forward 12 years, May is PM now and has received donations of £820,000 from Russian Oligarchs.

Not all is as it seems though. Im not one for tin foil hat theories but something about this doesnt quite sit right.
Yes, some utter f-wit released a Russian military WMD in Salisbury.

I'm not keen on May, but if your suggestion (on the back of no actual evidence) is that 'nothing' was done re. Litvinenko so the Tories/May could receive dodgy Russian cash, then you've clearly lost it.

Probably. Time will tell of course. May appears to be sticking to her guns with the expulsion of the Russian diplomats.

by Muscular-mouse Sun 18 Mar 2018, 4:40 pm

Samo wrote:When Litvinenko was poisoned and killed, Theresa May was Home Sec. and promised action. Fast forward 12 years, May is PM now and has received donations of £820,000 from Russian Oligarchs.

Not all is as it seems though. Im not one for tin foil hat theories but something about this doesnt quite sit right.

how could Theresa may have been home sec 12 years ago (2006) when labour were in power?

by Samo Sun 18 Mar 2018, 5:30 pm

Muscular-mouse wrote:
Samo wrote:When Litvinenko was poisoned and killed, Theresa May was Home Sec. and promised action. Fast forward 12 years, May is PM now and has received donations of £820,000 from Russian Oligarchs.

Not all is as it seems though. Im not one for tin foil hat theories but something about this doesnt quite sit right.

how could Theresa may have been home sec 12 years ago (2006) when labour were in power?

She wasnt, but she was Home Sec. when the inquest began. Should have said "..May became Home Sec...' Not my best worded post.

by CaledonianCraig Tue 20 Mar 2018, 3:51 pm

Foolish Scottish fisherman is the words of today. Voted Tory believing they'd look after their fishing rights. Boy are they frothing at the mouth right now. The Scottish Tories are even daring to raise their voices in protest at Westminster's decision.

by Samo Wed 21 Mar 2018, 5:51 pm

Good to see Farage throwing fish in the Thames in protest of the EU. Instead of, you know, doing his job and attending more than ONE meeting out of 42 of the EU Fisheries Committee.

He doesnt give a dusty tuppenny Frak about you or me or anyone. He's only ever been in it for himself. An odious, toad faced Frak whos teeth I wouldnt piss on if he was on fire.

If you still believe his cowpat then you are stupid beyond comprehension.

by SecretFly Wed 21 Mar 2018, 6:00 pm

Steady on, Frak... I mean Samo!

He was only throwing fish back where they belong. But you're right, the EU Fisheries Colonisation Committee probably deserve to be thrown into the Thames too.

by Hibbz Wed 21 Mar 2018, 6:02 pm

Samo wrote:Good to see Farage throwing fish in the Thames in protest of the EU. Instead of, you know, doing his job and attending more than ONE meeting out of 42 of the EU Fisheries Committee.

He doesnt give a dusty tuppenny Frak about you or me or anyone. He's only ever been in it for himself. An odious, toad faced Frak whos teeth I wouldnt piss on if he was on fire.

If you still believe his cowpat then you are stupid beyond comprehension.

Top rant that Samo - agree whole heartedly.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 21 Mar 2018, 6:08 pm

SecretFly wrote:Steady on, Frak... I mean Samo!

He was only throwing fish back where they belong. But you're right, the EU Fisheries Colonisation Committee probably deserve to be thrown into the Thames too.

I believe it was a sea fish, so it didn't belong in the Thames Cool

by SecretFly Wed 21 Mar 2018, 6:15 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Steady on, Frak... I mean Samo!

He was only throwing fish back where they belong. But you're right, the EU Fisheries Colonisation Committee probably deserve to be thrown into the Thames too.

I believe it was a sea fish, so it didn't belong in the Thames

As it quickly found out when it went for a swim. Unfortunately Fast'n'Furious Farrage was long gone to his next appointment so no lifebuoy for the poor UKIP voting fish.

But one less UKIP voter so the masses will be pleased.

by **Galted** Wed 21 Mar 2018, 8:21 pm

Samo wrote:Good to see Farage throwing fish in the Thames in protest of the EU. Instead of, you know, doing his job and attending more than ONE meeting out of 42 of the EU Fisheries Committee.

He doesnt give a dusty tuppenny Frak about you or me or anyone. He's only ever been in it for himself. An odious, toad faced Frak whos teeth I wouldnt piss on if he was on fire.

If you still believe his cowpat then you are stupid beyond comprehension.

Don't agree with you at all, I would describe him as a scrotum-faced c*nt-trumpet.

by Duty281 Thu 22 Mar 2018, 2:25 pm

Samo wrote:Good to see Farage throwing fish in the Thames in protest of the EU. Instead of, you know, doing his job and attending more than ONE meeting out of 42 of the EU Fisheries Committee.

He doesnt give a dusty tuppenny Frak about you or me or anyone. He's only ever been in it for himself. An odious, toad faced Frak whos teeth I wouldnt piss on if he was on fire.

If you still believe his cowpat then you are stupid beyond comprehension.

Spoiler:

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 23 Mar 2018, 7:36 pm

Smith gone over Brexit....Corbyn has anti-Semitic trouble too..

Either be another leadership election or a split to a new Centrist party which will fail because Blair will be linked to it and he is toxic.

by Duty281 Fri 23 Mar 2018, 10:08 pm

The Labour split is inevitable and has been since Corbyn took charge.

Chucka and Soubry in the same party...

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 24 Mar 2018, 7:08 am

Have a feeling with Smith getting it....That the left are hoping they will leave..

Not sure they have the Bollox though...

Chuku is full of wind....As for Soubry she voted for a lot of Tory cuts including free school meals last week..

Might be the gift that keeps on giving if she joined a new party.

But you are right something will have to give.

by lostinwales Sat 24 Mar 2018, 4:20 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Smith gone over Brexit....Corbyn has anti-Semitic trouble too..

Either be another leadership election or a split to a new Centrist party which will fail because Blair will be linked to it and he is toxic.

If everyone keeps on repeating the message it must be true, like Labour being responsible for our economic position.

Having been a voter for 30 years the best PM by miles was Blair. Being honest yes he fecked up big time over one huge issue, but no other leader we have had in my lifetime has been as effective as he was in his first term. If you want to go in that direction then maybe it is an indication of the dire quality of our politicians in general, but there you have it.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 24 Mar 2018, 5:35 pm

Huge issue doesn't really do Iraq justice....A million dead...Middle East in tatters...Isis..

Like LBJ's brilliant domestic agenda....The new deal...Affordable Medicare....Civil rights..

Cancelled out because..

Vietnam is too big a negative..

Blair is the reason Labour has Corbyn.....Not only was Iraq a mistake he's spent the last 10 years taking money off banks and Dictators and made the kind of smooth..insincere Politician toxic..

Something will give in the Labour Party....They can't go on with such an MP.. Member disconnect

by **Pr4wn** Mon 26 Mar 2018, 1:55 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Huge issue doesn't really do Iraq justice....A million dead...Middle East in tatters...Isis..

Like LBJ's brilliant domestic agenda....The new deal...Affordable Medicare....Civil rights..

Cancelled out because..

Vietnam is too big a negative..

Blair is the reason Labour has Corbyn.....Not only was Iraq a mistake he's spent the last 10 years taking money off banks and Dictators and made the kind of smooth..insincere Politician toxic..

Something will give in the Labour Party....They can't go on with such an MP.. Member disconnect

Didn't realize LBJ was responsible for the New Deal?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 26 Mar 2018, 2:37 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Huge issue doesn't really do Iraq justice....A million dead...Middle East in tatters...Isis..

Like LBJ's brilliant domestic agenda....The new deal...Affordable Medicare....Civil rights..

Cancelled out because..

Vietnam is too big a negative..

Blair is the reason Labour has Corbyn.....Not only was Iraq a mistake he's spent the last 10 years taking money off banks and Dictators and made the kind of smooth..insincere Politician toxic..

Something will give in the Labour Party....They can't go on with such an MP.. Member disconnect

Didn't realize LBJ was responsible for the New Deal?

The Great Society was pretty much a follow on from FDR's new deal......

by lostinwales Wed 11 Apr 2018, 1:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Huge issue doesn't really do Iraq justice....A million dead...Middle East in tatters...Isis..

Like LBJ's brilliant domestic agenda....The new deal...Affordable Medicare....Civil rights..

Cancelled out because..

Vietnam is too big a negative..

Blair is the reason Labour has Corbyn.....Not only was Iraq a mistake he's spent the last 10 years taking money off banks and Dictators and made the kind of smooth..insincere Politician toxic..

Something will give in the Labour Party....They can't go on with such an MP.. Member disconnect

The biggest issue is that despite the growing membership in the Labour party it does seem to be increasingly turning in on itself. It is getting less and less attractive for everyone else. Of course the Tories are simply dreadful, but relying on not being the tories can only get you so far.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 11 Apr 2018, 3:56 pm

I think Governments lose Elections....Rather than Oppositions winning them..

The fact Labour right wingers are turning on their leader is in my opinion because they see he has a good chance of winning...(I don't believe he will but he has a chance) and if he does they will be frozen out and rotting on the backbenches for years..

Very sobering for the Tories that after two weeks of Corbyn abuse wall to wall on every station..

Con 42 -1
Lab 41 +3

by Duty281 Wed 11 Apr 2018, 4:56 pm

The bad news for Corbyn, though, is his approval ratings are plummeting once again.

On how well/badly Jeremy Corbyn is doing as Labour Party leader:

Well: 31% (-14)
Badly: 56% (+19)

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:21 pm

Duty281 wrote:The bad news for Corbyn, though, is his approval ratings are plummeting once again.

On how well/badly Jeremy Corbyn is doing as Labour Party leader:

Well: 31% (-14)
Badly: 56% (+19)

In fairness it is no surprise the crap he has taken lately his ratings have flopped......But.

Con 42
Lab 41...

All to play for and his Lab ratings with members..

Well 80%
Badly 19%

I don't think he wins but you can't rule it out.

This Govt is awful..

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 08 May 2018, 9:29 am

May has Boris problems again..

by CaledonianCraig Tue 08 May 2018, 2:44 pm

Brexit has several ways it will play out in my opinion and it is all bad for the PM however it goes.

If she gets her way and cobbles together some sort of a customs partnership deal with the EU to appease the DUP and those wishing to remain in Europe I am certain the hardline Tory Brexiteers will rise up against her and oust her as PM.

If there is a hard Brexit with no customs union/partnership deal then it is a hard border for Northern Ireland, loss of DUP support and EU supporters rounding against her at every turn and I think her position will be untenable.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 08 May 2018, 3:15 pm

She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

by CaledonianCraig Tue 08 May 2018, 3:36 pm

Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

That is the massive flaw in the whole vote though. What is/was Brexit? What would it mean? A hard Brexit or not. It was never clarified in my eyes and there should have been added description or clarification of what voting for Brexit meant. As in complete and utter cutting of all customs ties with Europe. And then those who did not want that have an option of Yes but remaining in a customs union.

I say this because even now the bickering still goes on.

by **superflyweight** Tue 08 May 2018, 4:48 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

That is the massive flaw in the whole vote though. What is/was Brexit? What would it mean? A hard Brexit or not. It was never clarified in my eyes and there should have been added description or clarification of what voting for Brexit meant. As in complete and utter cutting of all customs ties with Europe. And then those who did not want that have an option of Yes but remaining in a customs union.

I say this because even now the bickering still goes on.

Agreed. It's like a country being asked to vote for independence without knowing what currency it would be using or if it would be a member of the EU.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 08 May 2018, 4:50 pm

Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

Definitely. About time she called their bluff and sacked them at the next reshuffle. If they want to then precipitate a load of stupid naval gazing and open war in the Tory party while the country has to get on with one of the most important issues for decades, more fool them. It's not even like Fox, Davies, Johnson et al have really shown that their 'talent' would be missed in the Cabinet. This whole mess has been about Tory infighting over Europe, probably since 1975. Useless.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 08 May 2018, 4:51 pm

superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

That is the massive flaw in the whole vote though. What is/was Brexit? What would it mean? A hard Brexit or not. It was never clarified in my eyes and there should have been added description or clarification of what voting for Brexit meant. As in complete and utter cutting of all customs ties with Europe. And then those who did not want that have an option of Yes but remaining in a customs union.

I say this because even now the bickering still goes on.

Agreed. It's like a country being asked to vote for independence without knowing what currency it would be using or if it would be a member of the EU.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 08 May 2018, 4:53 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.
Definitely. About time she called their bluff and sacked them at the next reshuffle. If they want to then precipitate a load of stupid naval gazing and open war in the Tory party while the country has to get on with one of the most important issues for decades, more fool them. It's not even like Fox, Davies, Johnson et al have really shown that their 'talent' would be missed in the Cabinet. This whole mess has been about Tory infighting over Europe, probably since 1975. Useless.

Absolutely agreed. But since when has May put country before party?

by CaledonianCraig Tue 08 May 2018, 5:14 pm

superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

That is the massive flaw in the whole vote though. What is/was Brexit? What would it mean? A hard Brexit or not. It was never clarified in my eyes and there should have been added description or clarification of what voting for Brexit meant. As in complete and utter cutting of all customs ties with Europe. And then those who did not want that have an option of Yes but remaining in a customs union.

I say this because even now the bickering still goes on.

Agreed. It's like a country being asked to vote for independence without knowing what currency it would be using or if it would be a member of the EU.

Oh we knew but a certain group tried confusing the issue.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 08 May 2018, 6:04 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

That is the massive flaw in the whole vote though. What is/was Brexit? What would it mean? A hard Brexit or not. It was never clarified in my eyes and there should have been added description or clarification of what voting for Brexit meant. As in complete and utter cutting of all customs ties with Europe. And then those who did not want that have an option of Yes but remaining in a customs union.

I say this because even now the bickering still goes on.

Agreed. It's like a country being asked to vote for independence without knowing what currency it would be using or if it would be a member of the EU.

Oh we knew but a certain group tried confusing the issue.

You mean the SNP who said that Scotland would be admitted to the EU on a "fast-track" basis we all knew that would never happen?

Quite honestly, I support Scots independence as I feel that England and Scotland are becoming less compatible as time goes on. But the SNP were woefully unprepared for the referendum and it showed in the votes.

by CaledonianCraig Tue 08 May 2018, 6:20 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:She's failed to show leadership in any way, really. What she needs to do is come down hard on the hard Brexit rebels, particularly those in the cabinet.

Fact of the matter is that while the public voted to leave the EU, they did not vote for a hard Brexit, no matter what JRM or Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox say.

That is the massive flaw in the whole vote though. What is/was Brexit? What would it mean? A hard Brexit or not. It was never clarified in my eyes and there should have been added description or clarification of what voting for Brexit meant. As in complete and utter cutting of all customs ties with Europe. And then those who did not want that have an option of Yes but remaining in a customs union.

I say this because even now the bickering still goes on.

Agreed. It's like a country being asked to vote for independence without knowing what currency it would be using or if it would be a member of the EU.

Oh we knew but a certain group tried confusing the issue.

Quite honestly, I support Scots independence as I feel that England and Scotland are becoming less compatible as time goes on. But the SNP were woefully unprepared for the referendum and it showed in the votes.

Do you know what? I agree with most of that. I am not so sure they were 'woefully' unprepared though but unprepared in some areas. Another area where they fought a woefully uphill battle was on the media front. TV coverage was notably biased in favour of the No campaign so that helps in the persuasion of how people vote. And despite all of those handicaps it was still such a close run race.

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