Brexit

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 18 Oct 2017, 8:51 pm

First topic message reminder :

Galted wrote:It will stop foreigners praying in our mosques.

by Duty281 Fri 21 Sep 2018, 3:38 pm

lostinwales wrote:For instance virtually no UK MEP is ever seen on TV or radio save those from Ukip. There are some interesting theories as to why

Because of the main parties seen regularly on British television - Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, SNP, UKIP - all of them except UKIP have a contingent of MPs who can go on TV to represent their parties. UKIP have no MPs, so the next step down the ladder is to invite their MEPs on.

by SecretFly Fri 21 Sep 2018, 3:39 pm

?

You should tell all prisoners that.

Just walk guys. The decision is yours. Now where's the bloody keys? These jailers ain't coughing up the bloody keys!!!

by lostinwales Fri 21 Sep 2018, 4:11 pm

Duty281 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:For instance virtually no UK MEP is ever seen on TV or radio save those from Ukip. There are some interesting theories as to why

Because of the main parties seen regularly on British television - Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, SNP, UKIP - all of them except UKIP have a contingent of MPs who can go on TV to represent their parties. UKIP have no MPs, so the next step down the ladder is to invite their MEPs on.

But overall Ukip are a very small party, and there are a lot of MEP's of other parties who might have a more positive EU view than Ukip, whose members seem all too keen to get into fights with each other and taking the money while talking everything down.

Public exposure of different parties is an interesting area though. Worth pointing out that Farage is a regular on question time, and a high profile for such a complete twonk.

by SecretFly Fri 21 Sep 2018, 4:20 pm

Twonk?

My word.... go easy, lost.

Here's his adversary/arch rival/nemesis in Europe!

Brexit - Page 16 Guy-verhostadt-pictured-holds-a-press-conference-annoucing-he-will-be-picture-id486632503?k=6&m=486632503&s=612x612&w=0&h=yClpkkWoJdUeTAfW-Yyt4Tl_oXJOhav2jNUQUprb0RM=

Brexit - Page 16 Guy-verhostadt-pictured-holds-a-press-conference-annoucing-he-will-be-picture-id486632503?k=6&m=486632503&s=612x612&w=0&h=yClpkkWoJdUeTAfW-Yyt4Tl_oXJOhav2jNUQUprb0RM=

He had a tough life, did old Farage, meeting that man every morning from across the bear pit of the EU Parliament. Whistle

by Duty281 Fri 21 Sep 2018, 4:29 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:For instance virtually no UK MEP is ever seen on TV or radio save those from Ukip. There are some interesting theories as to why

Because of the main parties seen regularly on British television - Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, SNP, UKIP - all of them except UKIP have a contingent of MPs who can go on TV to represent their parties. UKIP have no MPs, so the next step down the ladder is to invite their MEPs on.

But overall Ukip are a very small party, and there are a lot of MEP's of other parties who might have a more positive EU view than Ukip, whose members seem all too keen to get into fights with each other and taking the money while talking everything down.

Public exposure of different parties is an interesting area though. Worth pointing out that Farage is a regular on question time, and a high profile for such a complete twonk.

UKIP are still the 5th most popular party by vote share in the UK, and are one of only two parties to have won a national election in the last decade - they're not 'very small'.

Farage is not a regular on Question Time - he has had 32 appearances since 2000, averaging out at around 1.8 appearances per year on a show which broadcasts around 36-40 shows every calendar year. Since the referendum just over two years ago, Farage has appeared twice. His appearance numbers are dwarfed by numerous people (he doesn't even appear in the top ten, overall, of QT guest appearances).

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 21 Sep 2018, 4:37 pm

Samo wrote:The BBC is hardly a place for journalism. They have two sides allowed to spout whatever pish they want - unchallenged - for the sake of 'balance'. I've seen massive complaints from both sides that BBC is both anti and pro brexit, which tells me people will see whatever bias they want when 'balance' is key. The BBC is the last place I would look for credible journalism.

I love the hyperbole of comparing Brussels to rabid dogs, and how the EU are making it as difficult as possible to turn off other nations from trying to leave. The EU have said from the very start what leaving would entail and it has been very clear from Day one, and yet at every step the government and the ERG and the Vote Leave campaign and the likes of Farage have went 'Nope, it'll be like this'. And as soon as the EU says 'actually no, it wont be, we've already told you why' they're the bad guys.

Its like trying to remove the eggs from a baked cake, and then blaming the baker when you cant do it.

An alternate view would be that they're not doing a bad job of 'balance'. Not aimed at you particularly Samo, but how about everyone who hates the BBC f***s off and watches Sky, Fox, whatever the Hell they feel is better?

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 21 Sep 2018, 4:40 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
SecretFly wrote:I don't expect any differently. I merely wonder why it's not a topic brought up for real debate in the chambers of Brexit Parliament at Westminster. It'd be a change from the usual stuff, wouldn't it.

But again, nobody genuinely seems to care that there is no 'neutral' news broadcasters anymore, anywhere in the world (even State run, tax funded operations in supposed democratic states). They all have a defined political agenda and none even mind the slur that they might have some kind of role in society but purveyors of genuine 'journalism' isn't it.

To expect neutrality though is probably expecting too much. Remember that this is the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation so sees everything through British eyes. That is why there is the bias towards the union and all things British and its stance in politics. Westminster (well the ruling party) and the PM back Brexit so they tow the line. And it is not rocket science to work out why they are biased against independence for Scotland as it is affront to Britain.

Your subconscious bias is certainly in full view.

by SecretFly Fri 21 Sep 2018, 4:55 pm

navyblueshorts wrote: but how about everyone who hates the BBC f***s off and watches Sky, Fox, whatever the Hell they feel is better?

That might be what people who don't want to inform themselves of an alternate view might do. Such people then get wasted in an argument. You gotta know what the opposition are saying, navy, it's good to be informed.

And the BBC is a grand channel for documentaries and weather. Wink

But why should UK citizens f*** off if they don't like the political slant of BBC? Where would they f*** off to? Where would they put their licence fee money? Do you contribute financially to Ukip?

by CaledonianCraig Fri 21 Sep 2018, 5:25 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
SecretFly wrote:I don't expect any differently. I merely wonder why it's not a topic brought up for real debate in the chambers of Brexit Parliament at Westminster. It'd be a change from the usual stuff, wouldn't it.

But again, nobody genuinely seems to care that there is no 'neutral' news broadcasters anymore, anywhere in the world (even State run, tax funded operations in supposed democratic states). They all have a defined political agenda and none even mind the slur that they might have some kind of role in society but purveyors of genuine 'journalism' isn't it.

To expect neutrality though is probably expecting too much. Remember that this is the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation so sees everything through British eyes. That is why there is the bias towards the union and all things British and its stance in politics. Westminster (well the ruling party) and the PM back Brexit so they tow the line. And it is not rocket science to work out why they are biased against independence for Scotland as it is affront to Britain.
Your subconscious bias is certainly in full view.

Everyone has their own biases. It is just not everyone that has the power to televise their biases to millions of people on television.

by Samo Fri 21 Sep 2018, 5:41 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Samo wrote:The BBC is hardly a place for journalism. They have two sides allowed to spout whatever pish they want - unchallenged - for the sake of 'balance'. I've seen massive complaints from both sides that BBC is both anti and pro brexit, which tells me people will see whatever bias they want when 'balance' is key. The BBC is the last place I would look for credible journalism.

I love the hyperbole of comparing Brussels to rabid dogs, and how the EU are making it as difficult as possible to turn off other nations from trying to leave. The EU have said from the very start what leaving would entail and it has been very clear from Day one, and yet at every step the government and the ERG and the Vote Leave campaign and the likes of Farage have went 'Nope, it'll be like this'. And as soon as the EU says 'actually no, it wont be, we've already told you why' they're the bad guys.

Its like trying to remove the eggs from a baked cake, and then blaming the baker when you cant do it.
An alternate view would be that they're not doing a bad job of 'balance'. Not aimed at you particularly Samo, but how about everyone who hates the BBC f***s off and watches Sky, Fox, whatever the Hell they feel is better?

Journalism 101: If someone is telling you its raining and another one says it isnt, it isnt your job to report them both, its your job to stick your head out the window and see if it gets wet.

I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen people from both Remain and Leave say things on TV and on Radio that are ignorant inaccuracies at best and blatent lies at worst go unchallenged. James Dysons interview with Andrew Marr springs to mind immediately.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 21 Sep 2018, 6:20 pm

Journalism has turned into Commentary I'm afraid.....24 hr media hasn't helped....

Looking for a good quote for confirmation bias.....Rather than researching and getting to the bottom of an issue..

Very few journalists left whether on the BBC/SKY/C4 or in Print......

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 21 Sep 2018, 9:43 pm

SecretFly wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote: but how about everyone who hates the BBC f***s off and watches Sky, Fox, whatever the Hell they feel is better?

That might be what people who don't want to inform themselves of an alternate view might do. Such people then get wasted in an argument. You gotta know what the opposition are saying, navy, it's good to be informed.

And the BBC is a grand channel for documentaries and weather. But why should UK citizens f*** off if they don't like the political slant of BBC? Where would they f*** off to? Where would they put their licence fee money? Do you contribute financially to Ukip?

Yep, I get the 'know your enemy' argument. As to where they go for news if they don't like the BBC's approach? I don't give a good Goddamn.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 21 Sep 2018, 9:44 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
SecretFly wrote:I don't expect any differently. I merely wonder why it's not a topic brought up for real debate in the chambers of Brexit Parliament at Westminster. It'd be a change from the usual stuff, wouldn't it.

But again, nobody genuinely seems to care that there is no 'neutral' news broadcasters anymore, anywhere in the world (even State run, tax funded operations in supposed democratic states). They all have a defined political agenda and none even mind the slur that they might have some kind of role in society but purveyors of genuine 'journalism' isn't it.

To expect neutrality though is probably expecting too much. Remember that this is the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation so sees everything through British eyes. That is why there is the bias towards the union and all things British and its stance in politics. Westminster (well the ruling party) and the PM back Brexit so they tow the line. And it is not rocket science to work out why they are biased against independence for Scotland as it is affront to Britain.
Your subconscious bias is certainly in full view.

Everyone has their own biases. It is just not everyone that has the power to televise their biases to millions of people on television.

*where's my violin*

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 21 Sep 2018, 9:50 pm

Samo wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Samo wrote:The BBC is hardly a place for journalism. They have two sides allowed to spout whatever pish they want - unchallenged - for the sake of 'balance'. I've seen massive complaints from both sides that BBC is both anti and pro brexit, which tells me people will see whatever bias they want when 'balance' is key. The BBC is the last place I would look for credible journalism.

I love the hyperbole of comparing Brussels to rabid dogs, and how the EU are making it as difficult as possible to turn off other nations from trying to leave. The EU have said from the very start what leaving would entail and it has been very clear from Day one, and yet at every step the government and the ERG and the Vote Leave campaign and the likes of Farage have went 'Nope, it'll be like this'. And as soon as the EU says 'actually no, it wont be, we've already told you why' they're the bad guys.

Its like trying to remove the eggs from a baked cake, and then blaming the baker when you cant do it.
An alternate view would be that they're not doing a bad job of 'balance'. Not aimed at you particularly Samo, but how about everyone who hates the BBC f***s off and watches Sky, Fox, whatever the Hell they feel is better?

Journalism 101: If someone is telling you its raining and another one says it isnt, it isnt your job to report them both, its your job to stick your head out the window and see if it gets wet.

I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen people from both Remain and Leave say things on TV and on Radio that are ignorant inaccuracies at best and blatent lies at worst go unchallenged. James Dysons interview with Andrew Marr springs to mind immediately.

That may be true, and the 'quality' may be lower than you'd like (but they have to cater for a huge range of watchers, some of whom have the intellect of an earth worm), but it seems to me you aren't saying they don't give both sides of an argument an airing. The major claims against the BBC seem to be bias (one way or other, which is, frankly, comic), but it would appear that's not actually the case.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 21 Sep 2018, 9:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Journalism has turned into Commentary I'm afraid.....24 hr media hasn't helped....

Looking for a good quote for confirmation bias.....Rather than researching and getting to the bottom of an issue..

Very few journalists left whether on the BBC/SKY/C4 or in Print......

Yeah, I'd agree with this. The appetite of Joe Public is now for soundbite rubbish and they aren't interested in complex issues or the analysis thereof.

by CaledonianCraig Sat 22 Sep 2018, 2:23 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
SecretFly wrote:I don't expect any differently. I merely wonder why it's not a topic brought up for real debate in the chambers of Brexit Parliament at Westminster. It'd be a change from the usual stuff, wouldn't it.

But again, nobody genuinely seems to care that there is no 'neutral' news broadcasters anymore, anywhere in the world (even State run, tax funded operations in supposed democratic states). They all have a defined political agenda and none even mind the slur that they might have some kind of role in society but purveyors of genuine 'journalism' isn't it.

To expect neutrality though is probably expecting too much. Remember that this is the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation so sees everything through British eyes. That is why there is the bias towards the union and all things British and its stance in politics. Westminster (well the ruling party) and the PM back Brexit so they tow the line. And it is not rocket science to work out why they are biased against independence for Scotland as it is affront to Britain.
Your subconscious bias is certainly in full view.

Everyone has their own biases. It is just not everyone that has the power to televise their biases to millions of people on television.
*where's my violin*

I have an idea where it should go. Wink

by **navyblueshorts** Sat 22 Sep 2018, 5:02 pm

by Samo Thu 27 Sep 2018, 10:48 am

So the UK has appointed its first Food and Suppies minister since WW2 in preperation for a no-deal Brexit. Says it all really.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 27 Sep 2018, 10:50 am

DUP reject the Brexiteers Canada plus...Chequers won't pass as it stands..

May's 'you better respect me' speech ends with the EU sending her a 2.5 billion invoice for unpaid Tax..

Fun and games....

by lostinwales Thu 27 Sep 2018, 11:51 am

Stories that leave EU put 40% of their funding into AIQ.

Also heard a rumor that May was involved with quashing investigations into Leave EU backers. Can't comment on that as it is way too convenient, but the stories and the legitimacy of the vote won't go away.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 27 Sep 2018, 11:55 am

Comres...

Remain 56%
Leave 44%

Buyer remorse ??

by Duty281 Thu 27 Sep 2018, 12:03 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Comres...

Remain 56%
Leave 44%

Buyer remorse ??

A poll across a dozen Tory constituencies is all that is.

Moving forward, only 16% want to remain in the EU, as shown by BMG earlier in the week. They clarified that:

"with little evidence that many voters on either side of the debate have changed their mind since 2016."

Still waiting for this 'regrexit' lark.

by Duty281 Thu 27 Sep 2018, 12:04 pm

lostinwales wrote:Stories that leave EU put 40% of their funding into AIQ.

Also heard a rumor that May was involved with quashing investigations into Leave EU backers. Can't comment on that as it is way too convenient, but the stories and the legitimacy of the vote won't go away.

*Vote Leave

by SecretFly Thu 27 Sep 2018, 12:13 pm

Brexit is getting very bad press lately! One might think that Anti-Brexiteers (ie the entire Media class) actually want to overturn the decision?

But that couldn't be surely?

Maybe they should try making it a Health Issue. Brexit causes Lung Cancer? Force Brexit advocates to wear Government Health Warning Horror Pics on their Pro-Brexit tee-shirts?

They'll have to be more creative in their war campaign. It's kind repeating itself over the same hill week on week - and the Brexit boys are smoking cigarettes in their cosy bunkers.

by **superflyweight** Thu 27 Sep 2018, 12:27 pm

SecretFly wrote:Brexit is getting very bad press lately! One might think that Anti-Brexiteers (ie the entire Media class) actually want to overturn the decision?

But that couldn't be surely?

Maybe they should try making it a Health Issue. Brexit causes Lung Cancer? Force Brexit advocates to wear Government Health Warning Horror Pics on their Pro-Brexit tee-shirts?

They'll have to be more creative in their war campaign. It's kind repeating itself over the same hill week on week - and the Brexit boys are smoking cigarettes in their cosy bunkers.

What are the positives from the process to date that they should they be reporting?

by SecretFly Thu 27 Sep 2018, 12:35 pm

One positive is that they expose themselves so easily. It's good to be able to spot someone walking in the middle of the road at night. They might have a death wish but at least normal people can avoid them.

Anyway, back to the racist, sexist, homophobic and old rustic eejits that want Brexit...the majority of the Nation at last time of counting. Maybe that's it...throw another 'ist' at them that might actually stick. I'm just trying to be helpful.

by CaledonianCraig Thu 27 Sep 2018, 12:50 pm

If you cast your minds back to pre-polling and TV channels were going around the country canvassing opinion. An over-riding pull for voting yes to Brexit was to stop the influx of immigrants into the country. Well I recall a few months back the government saying that immigration policies would remain as they are after Brexit. One criteria of Brexit not being met then. Obviously, the other big reason for voting for Brexit was the ability to do their own trade deals globally. At present the Chequers deal will NOT see that happening. So what exactly are those that voted for Brexit going to get from it that they really wanted?

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 27 Sep 2018, 12:52 pm

SecretFly wrote:One positive is that they expose themselves so easily. It's good to be able to spot someone walking in the middle of the road at night. They might have a death wish but at least normal people can avoid them.

Anyway, back to the racist, sexist, homophobic and old rustic eejits that want Brexit...the majority of the Nation at last time of counting. Maybe that's it...throw another 'ist' at them that might actually stick. I'm just trying to be helpful.

Majority of the nation, or majority of the people who voted?

by **superflyweight** Thu 27 Sep 2018, 1:04 pm

SecretFly wrote:One positive is that they expose themselves so easily. It's good to be able to spot someone walking in the middle of the road at night. They might have a death wish but at least normal people can avoid them.

Anyway, back to the racist, sexist, homophobic and old rustic eejits that want Brexit...the majority of the Nation at last time of counting. Maybe that's it...throw another 'ist' at them that might actually stick. I'm just trying to be helpful.

So to cut through the nonsense and deflection, you can't think of any positives in the process that can be reported? So it was a just a criticism of the media for calling a sh1t sandwich a "sh1t sandwich"?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 27 Sep 2018, 2:18 pm

WAIT, you think the whole British media are anti-Brexit?

by **Hero** Thu 27 Sep 2018, 2:34 pm

Yeah haven't you seen some of the leftie comments spewed out by the Daily Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Express, Times etc.

by Duty281 Thu 27 Sep 2018, 2:37 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:An over-riding pull for voting yes to Brexit was to stop the influx of immigrants into the country. Well I recall a few months back the government saying that immigration policies would remain as they are after Brexit. One criteria of Brexit not being met then.

Incorrect, it was to have greater control on immigration. The current government are pledging that, post-Brexit, potential non-EU migrants will be treated the same as potential EU migrants - at last, progress.

by **Hero** Thu 27 Sep 2018, 2:42 pm

Duty281 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:An over-riding pull for voting yes to Brexit was to stop the influx of immigrants into the country. Well I recall a few months back the government saying that immigration policies would remain as they are after Brexit. One criteria of Brexit not being met then.

Incorrect, it was to have greater control on immigration. The current government are pledging that, post-Brexit, potential non-EU migrants will be treated the same as potential EU migrants - rounded up on trains and sent to worker camps.

Fixed for you. *If JRM becomes PM.

by Duty281 Thu 27 Sep 2018, 3:54 pm

Hero wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:An over-riding pull for voting yes to Brexit was to stop the influx of immigrants into the country. Well I recall a few months back the government saying that immigration policies would remain as they are after Brexit. One criteria of Brexit not being met then.

Incorrect, it was to have greater control on immigration. The current government are pledging that, post-Brexit, potential non-EU migrants will be treated the same as potential EU migrants - rounded up on trains and sent to worker camps.

Fixed for you. *If JRM becomes PM.

That will, indeed, be the future for all of us...if JC becomes PM.

by **superflyweight** Thu 27 Sep 2018, 4:17 pm

Or maybe just the Jews.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 28 Sep 2018, 10:40 am

SecretFly wrote:One positive is that they expose themselves so easily. It's good to be able to spot someone walking in the middle of the road at night. They might have a death wish but at least normal people can avoid them.

Anyway, back to the racist, sexist, homophobic and old rustic eejits that want Brexit...the majority of the Nation at last time of counting. Maybe that's it...throw another 'ist' at them that might actually stick. I'm just trying to be helpful.

What are the positives from the process to date that they should they be reporting?

by Samo Fri 28 Sep 2018, 5:02 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
SecretFly wrote:One positive is that they expose themselves so easily. It's good to be able to spot someone walking in the middle of the road at night. They might have a death wish but at least normal people can avoid them.

Anyway, back to the racist, sexist, homophobic and old rustic eejits that want Brexit...the majority of the Nation at last time of counting. Maybe that's it...throw another 'ist' at them that might actually stick. I'm just trying to be helpful.

What are the positives from the process to date that they should they be reporting?

....we can get blue passports?

by CaledonianCraig Fri 28 Sep 2018, 5:37 pm

Samo wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
SecretFly wrote:One positive is that they expose themselves so easily. It's good to be able to spot someone walking in the middle of the road at night. They might have a death wish but at least normal people can avoid them.

Anyway, back to the racist, sexist, homophobic and old rustic eejits that want Brexit...the majority of the Nation at last time of counting. Maybe that's it...throw another 'ist' at them that might actually stick. I'm just trying to be helpful.

What are the positives from the process to date that they should they be reporting?

....we can get blue passports?

Made in Europe to boot.

by Samo Wed 10 Oct 2018, 12:33 pm

Since January 2013, there has been 35 MEPs on BBC Question Time. 33 of them have been UKIP, 2 conservative and 100% of them are anti-EU. A pretty damning statistic.

by lostinwales Wed 10 Oct 2018, 12:48 pm

Samo wrote:Since January 2013, there has been 35 MEPs on BBC Question Time. 33 of them have been UKIP, 2 conservative and 100% of them are anti-EU. A pretty damning statistic.

You have probably seen the material linking the producer to far right organisations, and rumors of trying to fill the audience with EDL types. Not good - not good at all.

by Duty281 Wed 10 Oct 2018, 2:10 pm

Samo wrote:Since January 2013, there has been 35 MEPs on BBC Question Time. 33 of them have been UKIP, 2 conservative and 100% of them are anti-EU. A pretty damning statistic.

Already explained why that is.

Every QT and AQ episode has had a majority-Remain panel since the referendum campaign began. A pretty damning statistic.

by SecretFly Wed 10 Oct 2018, 2:14 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:Since January 2013, there has been 35 MEPs on BBC Question Time. 33 of them have been UKIP, 2 conservative and 100% of them are anti-EU. A pretty damning statistic.

Already explained why that is.

Every QT and AQ episode has had a majority-Remain panel since the referendum campaign began. A pretty damning statistic.

Logic is a killer. That's why most people ignore it in arguments.

by Samo Wed 10 Oct 2018, 2:31 pm

If you think having purely anti-EU MEPs on instead of a mix of both didnt have an effect on public perception of the EU then I dont know what to tell you.

by Duty281 Wed 10 Oct 2018, 2:41 pm

Samo wrote:If you think having purely anti-EU MEPs on instead of a mix of both didnt have an effect on public perception of the EU then I dont know what to tell you.

Of course there's a mix. Those anti-EU MEPs will have appeared on QT panels where they were outnumbered by pro-EU politicians and/or journalists and/or celebrities.

Simple fact: every single QT and AQ panel has had majority-Remain panellists since the referendum campaign began. I don't know what to tell you if you can't grasp that simple fact.

by SecretFly Wed 10 Oct 2018, 2:54 pm

Samo wrote:If you think having purely anti-EU MEPs on instead of a mix of both didnt have an effect on public perception of the EU then I dont know what to tell you.

So you wanted the panel even more loaded with pro-Remain guys?

How many people on a panel, and in a crowd, does it take before Remian people are satisfied the mix is 'weighted' in their favour?

When the Leavers are completely censored out of the debate entirely? Try Dateline London. A safe space for Remain disciples Wink

by Samo Wed 10 Oct 2018, 3:12 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:If you think having purely anti-EU MEPs on instead of a mix of both didnt have an effect on public perception of the EU then I dont know what to tell you.

Of course there's a mix. Those anti-EU MEPs will have appeared on QT panels where they were outnumbered by pro-EU politicians and/or journalists and/or celebrities.

Simple fact: every single QT and AQ panel has had majority-Remain panellists since the referendum campaign began. I don't know what to tell you if you can't grasp that simple fact.

Replace some of the pro-remain people with pro-remain MEPs. It doesnt paint a balanced picture when the only people who work in the parliament are the ones telling you how Poopie it is. Thats my problem.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 10 Oct 2018, 9:40 pm

Coming to the crunch with Brexit..

'To be a backstop or not to be...'

If May survives the next few months with this CU fudge...No reason she can't survive till 2022...

by MrInvisible Sun 14 Oct 2018, 9:10 pm

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march Anyone going to the big anti-Brexit demonstration in London this Saturday 20th October?

by Duty281 Mon 15 Oct 2018, 8:26 am

I hope the marching of the bad losers is better than their tenuous grip on reality - they say more than 100,000 turned up in June for the first march. laughing

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 15 Oct 2018, 8:59 am

Duty281 wrote:I hope the marching of the bad losers is better than their tenuous grip on reality - they say more than 100,000 turned up in June for the first march.

Luckily the magnanimity of the winners is helping to heal the divisions raised by the vote and its outcome.

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