Brexit

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 18 Oct 2017, 8:51 pm

First topic message reminder :

Galted wrote:It will stop foreigners praying in our mosques.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 25 Oct 2018, 1:57 pm

You ever form a coalition with the Tories....You will get hammered....Unless you garner and get a win in a independence vote....Which the Tories may not grant anyway.

Last poll had stay 11 points ahead.

The only reason for your success is taking left wing Labour support..The Tories are doing fine in Scotland..

Suicide to go in with the Tories..

by SecretFly Thu 25 Oct 2018, 1:58 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
SecretFly wrote:SNP

Hmmmm

"Do we vote with May and lose our argument for another shot at 'Independence'? Or do we vote with the Rebel Rebellion Freedom Fighters and quickfire another Referendum?"

Talk about Catch 22! They've been checkmated into a corner methinks

They will abstain. And I would only use checkmate as a terminology for possibility of another indyref. The current situation plays out in only ways from here that improves the prospects for Scotland's independence. Brexit goes ahead as the sham it is in this guise (half-arsed) with much confusion, chaos and financial instability that leaves many Scots who voted no last time moving firmly into the yes camp. I cannot see anything but a significantly smaller number moving in the opposite direction of thought. An election will follow and looks all ends up like a hung parliament. Where do Labour go to make up a coalition? Where do Tories go to make up a coalition not forgetting where they have alienated potential supporters with sufficient seats LibDem and DUP?

I still can't understand why the UK (or even the England bit of it) wanting to free itself from an overbearing, officious, didactic, bureaucratic, often unwieldy beast called the EU should be viewed or regarded any differently to Scotland wanting to shake off the beast that is the UK/Westminster?

Can't compute the difference, Craig. I think the SNP, if they were genuine Independence seekers, would actually support the retreat of the UK from the glue of the EU and then seek to use the very same arguments to retreat from the UK itself - IF they really wanted Independence, that is. And of course, pro-Brexiteers then couldn't offer much of an argument against such an idea, could they.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 25 Oct 2018, 2:08 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:They will abstain. And I would only use checkmate as a terminology for possibility of another indyref. The current situation plays out in only ways from here that improves the prospects for Scotland's independence. Brexit goes ahead as the sham it is in this guise (half-arsed) with much confusion, chaos and financial instability that leaves many Scots who voted no last time moving firmly into the yes camp. I cannot see anything but a significantly smaller number moving in the opposite direction of thought. An election will follow and looks all ends up like a hung parliament. Where do Labour go to make up a coalition? Where do Tories go to make up a coalition not forgetting where they have alienated potential supporters with sufficient seats LibDem and DUP?

Why go to the SNP? Everyone know's they're a one issue entity. Better to run a minority Government and have another inevitable election a few months later. Or maybe give the Country a form of PR? Nah. Why do something sensible?

Sadly, I think you're right (in the short term for certain) in that more Scots will move more towards the independence camp. Then again, they think the sun shines out of Nicola's rear end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44321209
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/15/independent-scotland-austerity-snp-ifs-institute-fiscal-studies
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/snp-s-economic-case-independence-incoherent-so-why-won-t-anyone-say-so
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/1490589/economist-questions-analysis-of-scottish-economy-in-key-snp-report/

Just out of interest, when do you think the SNP are going to use their devolved tax raising powers? Or would that paint them in the wrong light, do you think?

by CaledonianCraig Thu 25 Oct 2018, 2:20 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:They will abstain. And I would only use checkmate as a terminology for possibility of another indyref. The current situation plays out in only ways from here that improves the prospects for Scotland's independence. Brexit goes ahead as the sham it is in this guise (half-arsed) with much confusion, chaos and financial instability that leaves many Scots who voted no last time moving firmly into the yes camp. I cannot see anything but a significantly smaller number moving in the opposite direction of thought. An election will follow and looks all ends up like a hung parliament. Where do Labour go to make up a coalition? Where do Tories go to make up a coalition not forgetting where they have alienated potential supporters with sufficient seats LibDem and DUP?
Why go to the SNP? Everyone know's they're a one issue entity. Better to run a minority Government and have another inevitable election a few months later. Or maybe give the Country a form of PR? Nah. Why do something sensible?

Sadly, I think you're right (in the short term for certain) in that more Scots will move more towards the independence camp. Then again, they think the sun shines out of Nicola's rear end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44321209
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/15/independent-scotland-austerity-snp-ifs-institute-fiscal-studies
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/snp-s-economic-case-independence-incoherent-so-why-won-t-anyone-say-so
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/1490589/economist-questions-analysis-of-scottish-economy-in-key-snp-report/

Just out of interest, when do you think the SNP are going to use their devolved tax raising powers? Or would that paint them in the wrong light, do you think?

After so many incompetent Westminster governments I think it would take Pol Pot to take control of the SNP to paint it in a wrong light. As for devolved tax powers - who knows? Independence will come at a price but a price absolutely worth paying. I am under no illusions about how tough things will be but lets not kid ourselves that post-Brexit (still in the union) that life is going to be anything but tough. The options are a tough few years in a newly independent Scotland or a tough few years still under Westminster rule and no self-governance. A no brainer.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 25 Oct 2018, 2:25 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:They will abstain. And I would only use checkmate as a terminology for possibility of another indyref. The current situation plays out in only ways from here that improves the prospects for Scotland's independence. Brexit goes ahead as the sham it is in this guise (half-arsed) with much confusion, chaos and financial instability that leaves many Scots who voted no last time moving firmly into the yes camp. I cannot see anything but a significantly smaller number moving in the opposite direction of thought. An election will follow and looks all ends up like a hung parliament. Where do Labour go to make up a coalition? Where do Tories go to make up a coalition not forgetting where they have alienated potential supporters with sufficient seats LibDem and DUP?
Why go to the SNP? Everyone know's they're a one issue entity. Better to run a minority Government and have another inevitable election a few months later. Or maybe give the Country a form of PR? Nah. Why do something sensible?

Sadly, I think you're right (in the short term for certain) in that more Scots will move more towards the independence camp. Then again, they think the sun shines out of Nicola's rear end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44321209
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/15/independent-scotland-austerity-snp-ifs-institute-fiscal-studies
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/snp-s-economic-case-independence-incoherent-so-why-won-t-anyone-say-so
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/1490589/economist-questions-analysis-of-scottish-economy-in-key-snp-report/

Just out of interest, when do you think the SNP are going to use their devolved tax raising powers? Or would that paint them in the wrong light, do you think?

After so many incompetent Westminster governments I think it would take Pol Pot to take control of the SNP to paint it in a wrong light. As for devolved tax powers - who knows? Independence will come at a price but a price absolutely worth paying. I am under no illusions about how tough things will be but lets not kid ourselves that post-Brexit (still in the union) that life is going to be anything but tough. The options are a tough few years in a newly independent Scotland or a tough few years still under Westminster rule and no self-governance. A no brainer.

A 'no brainer'? Yep, might have that right! SNP ever going to use devolved tax raising powers? Or are they just going to blame Westminster until Hell freezes over? As one of those URLs suggests - the Emperor's got no clothes on!

by CaledonianCraig Thu 25 Oct 2018, 2:34 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:They will abstain. And I would only use checkmate as a terminology for possibility of another indyref. The current situation plays out in only ways from here that improves the prospects for Scotland's independence. Brexit goes ahead as the sham it is in this guise (half-arsed) with much confusion, chaos and financial instability that leaves many Scots who voted no last time moving firmly into the yes camp. I cannot see anything but a significantly smaller number moving in the opposite direction of thought. An election will follow and looks all ends up like a hung parliament. Where do Labour go to make up a coalition? Where do Tories go to make up a coalition not forgetting where they have alienated potential supporters with sufficient seats LibDem and DUP?
Why go to the SNP? Everyone know's they're a one issue entity. Better to run a minority Government and have another inevitable election a few months later. Or maybe give the Country a form of PR? Nah. Why do something sensible?

Sadly, I think you're right (in the short term for certain) in that more Scots will move more towards the independence camp. Then again, they think the sun shines out of Nicola's rear end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44321209
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/15/independent-scotland-austerity-snp-ifs-institute-fiscal-studies
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/snp-s-economic-case-independence-incoherent-so-why-won-t-anyone-say-so
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/1490589/economist-questions-analysis-of-scottish-economy-in-key-snp-report/

Just out of interest, when do you think the SNP are going to use their devolved tax raising powers? Or would that paint them in the wrong light, do you think?

After so many incompetent Westminster governments I think it would take Pol Pot to take control of the SNP to paint it in a wrong light. As for devolved tax powers - who knows? Independence will come at a price but a price absolutely worth paying. I am under no illusions about how tough things will be but lets not kid ourselves that post-Brexit (still in the union) that life is going to be anything but tough. The options are a tough few years in a newly independent Scotland or a tough few years still under Westminster rule and no self-governance. A no brainer.
A 'no brainer'? Yep, might have that right! SNP ever going to use devolved tax raising powers? Or are they just going to blame Westminster until Hell freezes over? As one of those URLs suggests - the Emperor's got no clothes on!

A copious amount of unionist backing media outlets there. I would expect no different. That there is unionist brain-washing Trussman right there.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 25 Oct 2018, 3:21 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:They will abstain. And I would only use checkmate as a terminology for possibility of another indyref. The current situation plays out in only ways from here that improves the prospects for Scotland's independence. Brexit goes ahead as the sham it is in this guise (half-arsed) with much confusion, chaos and financial instability that leaves many Scots who voted no last time moving firmly into the yes camp. I cannot see anything but a significantly smaller number moving in the opposite direction of thought. An election will follow and looks all ends up like a hung parliament. Where do Labour go to make up a coalition? Where do Tories go to make up a coalition not forgetting where they have alienated potential supporters with sufficient seats LibDem and DUP?
Why go to the SNP? Everyone know's they're a one issue entity. Better to run a minority Government and have another inevitable election a few months later. Or maybe give the Country a form of PR? Nah. Why do something sensible?

Sadly, I think you're right (in the short term for certain) in that more Scots will move more towards the independence camp. Then again, they think the sun shines out of Nicola's rear end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44321209
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/15/independent-scotland-austerity-snp-ifs-institute-fiscal-studies
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/snp-s-economic-case-independence-incoherent-so-why-won-t-anyone-say-so
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/1490589/economist-questions-analysis-of-scottish-economy-in-key-snp-report/

Just out of interest, when do you think the SNP are going to use their devolved tax raising powers? Or would that paint them in the wrong light, do you think?

After so many incompetent Westminster governments I think it would take Pol Pot to take control of the SNP to paint it in a wrong light. As for devolved tax powers - who knows? Independence will come at a price but a price absolutely worth paying. I am under no illusions about how tough things will be but lets not kid ourselves that post-Brexit (still in the union) that life is going to be anything but tough. The options are a tough few years in a newly independent Scotland or a tough few years still under Westminster rule and no self-governance. A no brainer.
A 'no brainer'? Yep, might have that right! SNP ever going to use devolved tax raising powers? Or are they just going to blame Westminster until Hell freezes over? As one of those URLs suggests - the Emperor's got no clothes on!

A copious amount of unionist backing media outlets there. I would expect no different. That there is unionist brain-washing Trussman right there.

The only brain-washing is that which you're demonstrating my friend.

Once more - SNP ever going to use its devolved tax raising powers do you think? You know, the sort of thing that might actually be required to continue payment for all that free stuff they bang on about north of the Border?

Thinking about it, these conversations are utterly pointless. No-one changes their views, or even considers there might be problems with them, as a result. Have a good one up in Utopia...

by lostinwales Thu 25 Oct 2018, 4:13 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
SecretFly wrote:SNP

Hmmmm

"Do we vote with May and lose our argument for another shot at 'Independence'? Or do we vote with the Rebel Rebellion Freedom Fighters and quickfire another Referendum?"

Talk about Catch 22! They've been checkmated into a corner methinks

They will abstain. And I would only use checkmate as a terminology for possibility of another indyref. The current situation plays out in only ways from here that improves the prospects for Scotland's independence. Brexit goes ahead as the sham it is in this guise (half-arsed) with much confusion, chaos and financial instability that leaves many Scots who voted no last time moving firmly into the yes camp. I cannot see anything but a significantly smaller number moving in the opposite direction of thought. An election will follow and looks all ends up like a hung parliament. Where do Labour go to make up a coalition? Where do Tories go to make up a coalition not forgetting where they have alienated potential supporters with sufficient seats LibDem and DUP?

It is not currently solvable. nobody wants to work with the Tories and I can't see JC working well with anyone outside of his acolytes.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 31 Oct 2018, 6:40 pm

The post budget poll has Labour up so this reactionary Government has a deal for us on Nov 21..

Surprise Surprise..

Govt that governs by Yougov..

by Samo Thu 01 Nov 2018, 12:24 pm

Looks like the NCA are going to be taking over the investigation into Vote Leave, Arron Banks was referred to them this morning by the electoral commision.

by Duty281 Thu 01 Nov 2018, 12:34 pm

Samo wrote:Looks like the NCA are going to be taking over the investigation into Vote Leave, Arron Banks was referred to them this morning by the electoral commision.

Arron Banks has nothing to do with Vote Leave.

by Samo Thu 01 Nov 2018, 12:40 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:Looks like the NCA are going to be taking over the investigation into Vote Leave, Arron Banks was referred to them this morning by the electoral commision.

Arron Banks has nothing to do with Vote Leave.

Leave.EU. My mistake

by **Pr4wn** Thu 01 Nov 2018, 1:08 pm

I'm shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 01 Nov 2018, 2:19 pm

I mean, who would have thought that one of the lynch-pin donors to this corrupt and foreign-interfered-with referendum would have been corrupt?

Honestly, it's the idiots that still follow the Leave Cult that I feel sorry for.

by Duty281 Thu 01 Nov 2018, 2:33 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I mean, who would have thought that one of the lynch-pin donors to this corrupt and foreign-interfered-with referendum would have been corrupt?

Honestly, it's the idiots that still follow the Leave Cult that I feel sorry for.

Those delicious tears.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 01 Nov 2018, 2:36 pm

I honestly pity you, Duty. I really do.

You've been conned and you're either too proud to admit it or too stupid to know.

by Duty281 Thu 01 Nov 2018, 2:39 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I honestly pity you, Duty. I really do.

You've been conned and you're either too proud to admit it or too stupid to know.

What nonsense, I haven't been conned. Leave.EU and Vote Leave played zero part in my decision to vote against the EU.

I've been against the UK's membership of the EU since around 2010/2011, years before the referendum was announced.

As an aside, Arron Banks is still an innocent man, and the beginning of an investigation does nothing to change that fact.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 01 Nov 2018, 3:00 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:I honestly pity you, Duty. I really do.

You've been conned and you're either too proud to admit it or too stupid to know.

What nonsense, I haven't been conned. Leave.EU and Vote Leave played zero part in my decision to vote against the EU.

I've been against the UK's membership of the EU since around 2010/2011, years before the referendum was announced.

As an aside, Arron Banks is still an innocent man, and the beginning of an investigation does nothing to change that fact.

Uh-huh.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 01 Nov 2018, 3:01 pm

It's all a conspiracy, I bet.

by Duty281 Thu 01 Nov 2018, 3:08 pm

No, it's the usual case of innocent until proven guilty.

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 01 Nov 2018, 3:28 pm

If the financial crisis taught us anything, it's never trust Banks.

by SecretFly Thu 01 Nov 2018, 9:41 pm

Nice slice.

by Cardiff Dave Fri 02 Nov 2018, 12:02 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:If the financial crisis taught us anything, it's never trust Banks.

Used to have 2 banks down my way. Both gone now. Gained a foodbank though.
Half as many pubs. Proper post offices closed. Had a care home. That got demolished. Land sold off at a bargain price. Posh flats now. Mentioned it to a council employee recently. She said "we're not allowed to talk about it".

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 12:14 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:If the financial crisis taught us anything, it's never trust Banks.

Used to have 2 banks down my way. Both gone now. Gained a foodbank though.
Half as many pubs. Proper post offices closed. Had a care home. That got demolished. Land sold off at a bargain price. Posh flats now. Mentioned it to a council employee recently. She said "we're not allowed to talk about it".

That's the last time I make a pun.

by Cardiff Dave Fri 02 Nov 2018, 1:53 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:If the financial crisis taught us anything, it's never trust Banks.

Used to have 2 banks down my way. Both gone now. Gained a foodbank though.
Half as many pubs. Proper post offices closed. Had a care home. That got demolished. Land sold off at a bargain price. Posh flats now. Mentioned it to a council employee recently. She said "we're not allowed to talk about it".

That's the last time I make a pun.

Almost forgot. Cop shop gone too. A pair of houses now. Guess we don't need a cop shop as there aren't any raucous darts teams, skittles teams and pool teams to keep in order.

by SecretFly Fri 02 Nov 2018, 1:57 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:If the financial crisis taught us anything, it's never trust Banks.

Used to have 2 banks down my way. Both gone now. Gained a foodbank though.
Half as many pubs. Proper post offices closed. Had a care home. That got demolished. Land sold off at a bargain price. Posh flats now. Mentioned it to a council employee recently. She said "we're not allowed to talk about it".

One of the main commandments of the Open Society Movement. Now let's have a group kiss hug to feel safer about our unified ignorance.

by **superflyweight** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 2:17 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:I honestly pity you, Duty. I really do.

You've been conned and you're either too proud to admit it or too stupid to know.

What nonsense, I haven't been conned. Leave.EU and Vote Leave played zero part in my decision to vote against the EU.

I've been against the UK's membership of the EU since around 2010/2011, years before the referendum was announced.

As an aside, Arron Banks is still an innocent man, and the beginning of an investigation does nothing to change that fact.

You must have been a riot as a teenager! That GCSE General Studies class has a lot to answer for.

by Duty281 Fri 02 Nov 2018, 2:23 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:I honestly pity you, Duty. I really do.

You've been conned and you're either too proud to admit it or too stupid to know.

What nonsense, I haven't been conned. Leave.EU and Vote Leave played zero part in my decision to vote against the EU.

I've been against the UK's membership of the EU since around 2010/2011, years before the referendum was announced.

As an aside, Arron Banks is still an innocent man, and the beginning of an investigation does nothing to change that fact.

You must have been a riot as a teenager! That GCSE General Studies class has a lot to answer for.

Life and soul, dear boy, life and soul.

by **superflyweight** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 2:45 pm

"Where's Duty?"

"He's round the back of the bike sheds reading the UKIP manifesto, sir. He's got a picnic blanket, a hamper stuffed full of pork pies and cheddar cheese and a flask filled with lashings of ginger beer and he keeps mumbling something about "the sound of leather on willow" and the blitz, sir."

by SecretFly Fri 02 Nov 2018, 3:15 pm

superflyweight wrote:"Where's Duty?"

"He's round the back of the bike sheds reading the UKIP manifesto, sir. He's got a picnic blanket, a hamper stuffed full of pork pies and cheddar cheese and a flask filled with lashings of ginger beer and he keeps mumbling something about "the sound of leather on willow" and the blitz, sir."

"So that's where he is!"

"Yes, sir."

"And why aren't you with him, superfly?"

"Coz my mother said to stay away from him, sir."

"Why?"

"Coz he has too much fun, sir. My mother doesn't like me mixing with edgy, exciting people who eat picnic food and drink ginger beer, sir."

"Okay. Well, go tell him he better get back in here immediately or I'll sharpen my cane on his butt.... I mean hand Whistle

...I mean I might reprimand him without using physical punishment... I mean I'll give him sweets for coming back in...I mean I won't offer him any inducements... I mean I'll call him 'she' if it wants me to..... anyway, go get him and when you're out there tell all the others to get back to class too."

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 3:19 pm

Life was a lot better when kids lived in fear of physical assault from the people tasked with taking care of them. Nowadays we criticise certain foreign countries for taking a similar approach.

by SecretFly Fri 02 Nov 2018, 3:25 pm

Oh you were dutifully in class too?......... one and one is two, two and two are four, four and four are eight.....................

well, someone gotta do it.

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 3:28 pm

SecretFly wrote:Oh you were dutifully in class too?.........

Well, I learnt grammar, if that's what you mean.

by **superflyweight** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 3:49 pm

SecretFly wrote:
superflyweight wrote:"Where's Duty?"

"He's round the back of the bike sheds reading the UKIP manifesto, sir. He's got a picnic blanket, a hamper stuffed full of pork pies and cheddar cheese and a flask filled with lashings of ginger beer and he keeps mumbling something about "the sound of leather on willow" and the blitz, sir."

"So that's where he is!"

"Yes, sir."

"And why aren't you with him, superfly?"

"Coz my mother said to stay away from him, sir."

"Why?"

"Coz he has too much fun, sir. My mother doesn't like me mixing with edgy, exciting people who eat picnic food and drink ginger beer, sir."

"Okay. Well, go tell him he better get back in here immediately or I'll sharpen my cane on his butt.... I mean hand ...I mean I might reprimand him without using physical punishment... I mean I'll give him sweets for coming back in...I mean I won't offer him any inducements... I mean I'll call him 'she' if it wants me to..... anyway, go get him and when you're out there tell all the others to get back to class too."

Either way it's corporal punishment. I'll see you in Strasbourg.

by **Pr4wn** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 3:55 pm

superflyweight wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
superflyweight wrote:"Where's Duty?"

"He's round the back of the bike sheds reading the UKIP manifesto, sir. He's got a picnic blanket, a hamper stuffed full of pork pies and cheddar cheese and a flask filled with lashings of ginger beer and he keeps mumbling something about "the sound of leather on willow" and the blitz, sir."

"So that's where he is!"

"Yes, sir."

"And why aren't you with him, superfly?"

"Coz my mother said to stay away from him, sir."

"Why?"

"Coz he has too much fun, sir. My mother doesn't like me mixing with edgy, exciting people who eat picnic food and drink ginger beer, sir."

"Okay. Well, go tell him he better get back in here immediately or I'll sharpen my cane on his butt.... I mean hand ...I mean I might reprimand him without using physical punishment... I mean I'll give him sweets for coming back in...I mean I won't offer him any inducements... I mean I'll call him 'she' if it wants me to..... anyway, go get him and when you're out there tell all the others to get back to class too."

Either way it's corporal punishment. I'll see you in Strasbourg.

Cashback.

by **superflyweight** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 3:56 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
superflyweight wrote:"Where's Duty?"

"He's round the back of the bike sheds reading the UKIP manifesto, sir. He's got a picnic blanket, a hamper stuffed full of pork pies and cheddar cheese and a flask filled with lashings of ginger beer and he keeps mumbling something about "the sound of leather on willow" and the blitz, sir."

"So that's where he is!"

"Yes, sir."

"And why aren't you with him, superfly?"

"Coz my mother said to stay away from him, sir."

"Why?"

"Coz he has too much fun, sir. My mother doesn't like me mixing with edgy, exciting people who eat picnic food and drink ginger beer, sir."

"Okay. Well, go tell him he better get back in here immediately or I'll sharpen my cane on his butt.... I mean hand ...I mean I might reprimand him without using physical punishment... I mean I'll give him sweets for coming back in...I mean I won't offer him any inducements... I mean I'll call him 'she' if it wants me to..... anyway, go get him and when you're out there tell all the others to get back to class too."

Either way it's corporal punishment. I'll see you in Strasbourg.

Cashback.

I don't sweat because I use Lynx Africa.

by **Pr4wn** Fri 02 Nov 2018, 4:03 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
superflyweight wrote:"Where's Duty?"

"He's round the back of the bike sheds reading the UKIP manifesto, sir. He's got a picnic blanket, a hamper stuffed full of pork pies and cheddar cheese and a flask filled with lashings of ginger beer and he keeps mumbling something about "the sound of leather on willow" and the blitz, sir."

"So that's where he is!"

"Yes, sir."

"And why aren't you with him, superfly?"

"Coz my mother said to stay away from him, sir."

"Why?"

"Coz he has too much fun, sir. My mother doesn't like me mixing with edgy, exciting people who eat picnic food and drink ginger beer, sir."

"Okay. Well, go tell him he better get back in here immediately or I'll sharpen my cane on his butt.... I mean hand ...I mean I might reprimand him without using physical punishment... I mean I'll give him sweets for coming back in...I mean I won't offer him any inducements... I mean I'll call him 'she' if it wants me to..... anyway, go get him and when you're out there tell all the others to get back to class too."

Either way it's corporal punishment. I'll see you in Strasbourg.

Cashback.

I don't sweat because I use Lynx Africa.

Oohhhhhhh it's a good paper........

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 04 Nov 2018, 9:47 am

It seems a deal is sorted...

All is left is to see if enough Labour vote it down in the hope of a People vote..

Blair has written strongly for voting against today and these are the Blairite Mps May will be looking to.

by MrInvisible Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:37 pm

Anyone else thought it seemed a bit off that Aaron Banks was on Andrew Marr show, like any regular political guest, despite being under investigation over the Leave campaign funding by National Crime Agency?

by lostinwales Mon 05 Nov 2018, 6:46 am

MrInvisible wrote:Anyone else thought it seemed a bit off that Aaron Banks was on Andrew Marr show, like any regular political guest, despite being under investigation over the Leave campaign funding by National Crime Agency?

Lots of people.

I think there would be more trust if we thought that Banks would get a hard time from Marr.

by Duty281 Mon 05 Nov 2018, 9:02 am

MrInvisible wrote:Anyone else thought it seemed a bit off that Aaron Banks was on Andrew Marr show, like any regular political guest, despite being under investigation over the Leave campaign funding by National Crime Agency?

Innocent until proven guilty. He should be free to do whatever interviews he likes as he still an innocent person; being investigated does nothing to alter this.

And Arron Banks can't really win. For months he has faced accusations of dodging questions about Russia, foreign funding and all the rest of it. Now he actually answers questions about these matters, in a non-stage controlled interview, and the same people whinge about how he shouldn't be allowed to do it.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 05 Nov 2018, 10:08 am

He's innocent until proven guilty according to the law. That doesn't mean he's an "innocent person".

by SecretFly Mon 05 Nov 2018, 10:17 am

Duty281 wrote:
MrInvisible wrote:Anyone else thought it seemed a bit off that Aaron Banks was on Andrew Marr show, like any regular political guest, despite being under investigation over the Leave campaign funding by National Crime Agency?

Innocent until proven guilty. He should be free to do whatever interviews he likes as he still an innocent person; being investigated does nothing to alter this.

And Arron Banks can't really win. For months he has faced accusations of dodging questions about Russia, foreign funding and all the rest of it. Now he actually answers questions about these matters, in a non-stage controlled interview, and the same people whinge about how he shouldn't be allowed to do it.

It's a stunt well practiced.

So this Aaron Banks has a big bad Russia factor hovering over him too?

These pesky Ruskies get everywhere. Didn't James Bond supposedly take care of those guys decades ago and moved on to Climate Change Terrorists?

BTW, where is the old favourites these days? The British and American and Israeli and Chinese secret services? Where do they get to in all these European Brexity and American Election shows?
Anyone else taking foreign money to fund their anti-Brexit movements?

by SecretFly Mon 05 Nov 2018, 10:19 am

Pr4wn wrote:He's innocent until proven guilty according to the law. That doesn't mean he's an "innocent person".

It means he's 'guilty until proven innocent'?

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 05 Nov 2018, 10:22 am

It's crazy isn't it, all these conspiracy theories. They'll be accusing Labour members of anti-Semitism before long. Or Philip Green of sexual misconduct.

by SecretFly Mon 05 Nov 2018, 10:30 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:It's crazy isn't it, all these conspiracy theories. They'll be accusing Labour members of anti-Semitism before long. Or Philip Green of sexual misconduct.

Yeah, and they'll even get round to claiming the entire Brexit movement was all choreographed by an army of Russian bots someday...believe me Wink

"I - am - a - Liverpool - fishmonger. I - like - the - Beatles - but - not - Paul - who - shafted - John - and - I - say - down - with - the - E - U- !"

by Duty281 Mon 05 Nov 2018, 10:40 am

Pr4wn wrote:He's innocent until proven guilty according to the law. That doesn't mean he's an "innocent person".

What it means is that we give him the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. We treat him as an innocent person and allow him the same privileges that befit an innocent person, including him being allowed to go on television and be interviewed.

Craig Mackinlay is currently undergoing trial for the shenanigans in South Thanet. But we still presume him to be innocent, and that means he is still allowed to serve as a Member of Parliament and go through his business in society as he pleases.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 05 Nov 2018, 11:53 am

Watched a video about Brexit yesterday...Ten Brexiteer Cabinet ministers saying that a Custom's union would be staying in Europe and a traitorous slap in the face of the British people..

8/10 are still in the Cabinet and supporting May's plan for an indefinite Custom's Union..

Got to giggle..

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 05 Nov 2018, 12:43 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:He's innocent until proven guilty according to the law. That doesn't mean he's an "innocent person".

What it means is that we give him the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. We treat him as an innocent person and allow him the same privileges that befit an innocent person, including him being allowed to go on television and be interviewed.

Craig Mackinlay is currently undergoing trial for the shenanigans in South Thanet. But we still presume him to be innocent, and that means he is still allowed to serve as a Member of Parliament and go through his business in society as he pleases.

Agree with this. Fed up with unsubstantiated rumours being thrown around left, right and centre.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 05 Nov 2018, 12:46 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:He's innocent until proven guilty according to the law. That doesn't mean he's an "innocent person".

What it means is that we give him the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. We treat him as an innocent person and allow him the same privileges that befit an innocent person, including him being allowed to go on television and be interviewed.

Craig Mackinlay is currently undergoing trial for the shenanigans in South Thanet. But we still presume him to be innocent, and that means he is still allowed to serve as a Member of Parliament and go through his business in society as he pleases.

Quite right. But that doesn't mean he's innocent. It means he's innocent until proven guilty.

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