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Post by Holymiky Wed 22 Nov 2017, 7:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

Welcome to the Miky Challenge League


This Week's Fixtures 

Week 10_________Voter 1_________Voter 2_________Voter 3
SAS v Fußball _________Miky _________Bam _________Tino 
Deportivo Moron v Fiorentina Turner _________Nando _________Miky _________Twist 
Olympique Marswag v Ebbsfleet United _________Hero _________Nando _________Marky 
Deportivo Wanka v Shakhtar Senseless _________Olly _________Hero _________Afro 
Kalamazoo Outrage v Cape-Coat Mysterious Dwarfs _________Bam _________Olly _________Trebs 

This Week's Key Deadlines 

Deadlines 

Tuesday - Lawyers announced at midday 
Wednesday Evening - Injuries to be announced 
Thursday Midnight - Squad lockout for that gameweek 
Friday - Releases and Tp's open again 

Links 

Team_________Manager
Kalamazoo Outrage_________Hero 
SAS_________Olly 
Cape-Coast Mysterious Dwarfs_________Afro 
Shakhtar Senseless_________Marky 
Ebbsfleet United_________Twist 
Olympique Marswag_________Miky 
Deportivo Wanka_________Nando 
Fußball_________Trebs 
Deportivo Moron_________Bam 
Fiorentina Turner_________Tino 


Match_________Transfer_________Other
Fixtures_________Lawyers_________Rules
Table_________Foreigns_________Youth Rules
Injuries_________Releases_________Press Conferences
_________Confirmation_________
_________Loans_________


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Post by BamBam Mon 04 Dec 2017, 1:59 pm

He got slaughtered in ratings every week Laugh

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 04 Dec 2017, 2:04 pm

I’m just waiting for Malcom to come back from lawyers Laugh
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Post by Hero Mon 04 Dec 2017, 2:07 pm

There's one that just become available that I'm weighing up going for.

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Post by Afro Mon 04 Dec 2017, 2:07 pm

He's a funny one, as there's times when di Francesco appears to prefer playing Florenzi out of position at RB
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Post by TwisT Mon 04 Dec 2017, 2:58 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I’m just waiting for Malcom to come back from lawyers Laugh

Wasn't a good move by me then? I sold him to bring in funds for Silva.

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Post by BamBam Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:01 pm

Yea can imagine Malcolm will be in demand

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:17 pm

TwisT wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I’m just waiting for Malcom to come back from lawyers Laugh

Wasn't a good move by me then? I sold him to bring in funds for Silva.

Tbf from the moment you lawyered him his form has just been amazing Laugh

Would be amazed if he don’t get a big move in Jan tbh
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Post by Brooksey79 Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:24 pm

lads

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:30 pm

Tina

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:31 pm

we cool? gonna do my preds at 4 when my boss fecks off

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Post by TwisT Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:49 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I’m just waiting for Malcom to come back from lawyers Laugh

Wasn't a good move by me then? I sold him to bring in funds for Silva.

Tbf from the moment you lawyered him his form has just been amazing Laugh

Would be amazed if he don’t get a big move in Jan tbh

Bugger. Not to worry.

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Post by TwisT Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:54 pm

I rated Neres over him but problem is like we discussed before......Neres plays in the Dutch league. So is it quality of opponents or quality of player.

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:58 pm

Leagues in rating for the most part

Tier 1 - La Liga, EPL, Seria A, Ligue 1, Bundesliga
Tier 2 - Portugese, Holland, Russia,
Tier 3 - China,Brazil,Turkey, Belgium, Ukraine,
Tier 4 - Everywhere else
Tier 5 - Scotland

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Post by Afro Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:58 pm

Both.

I think if you are looking for potential value boosts for future windfalls, then the French league is the better. The Dutch league is littered with examples of players performing well, but the value increase not coming.

Neres is a good example of this. He has been seen as high potential for a year at least, but he never gets a big increase. His value now is what it will probably stay at unless he moves to a bigger league or rips it up in Europe.
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Post by BamBam Mon 04 Dec 2017, 3:59 pm

Personally, Malcolm > Neres

Agree with the league rating

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Post by Hero Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:01 pm

I'd perhaps still have Ligue 1 just below the big four in a tier of its own.

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:04 pm

If you dropped Ligue 1, You'd have to drop the Bundesliga cos Ligue 1 is more competitive then Bundesliga really. Plus Neymar/Cavani/Fekir would make most PL sides etc

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:04 pm

and me the french league for all the talent is still the level below..mainly because all the talent ends up leaving france (or signing for Monaco/PSG) don't think there's enough quality in that league

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Post by Hero Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:09 pm

I'd say last year's Monaco win is more an anomaly and normal service resumes again, the season before PSG wrapped up by March. The drop off to dross in Ligue 1 is huge, there's 9 clubs on Transfermarkt that have squad values less than £50m, there's 1 Bundesliga.

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Post by Afro Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:13 pm

I agree that Ligue 1 would be on a level of its own underneath the big 4, but better than Portugal, Holland and Russia.

The quality gap between the top and bottom is crazy. The top are competitive CL teams (and potential winners in the case of PSG), but the bottom is bottom of the Championship standard. You only have to see the likes of Bristol City buying the leading strikers from these teams to see that
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Post by TwisT Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:23 pm

Difficult situation really. Malcom > Neres I can agree with. Not my personal opinion but bow down to knowkedge on here.

I think we agree Silva > Malcolm so gotta lose to win I suppose. Thought with Kluivert and Neres I had the cover to do it. Saying that I would update Neres when I can but I got other areas I need to strengthen.

Good fun this Laugh

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Post by Trebs Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:33 pm

Playing well in the PL for me beats anything, as there's more exposure.
Bundesliga and La Liga which are just behind
Then Ligue 1 and Serie A on a par.

Happy to be agreed with slated on those opinions.

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:37 pm

Hero wrote:I'd say last year's Monaco win is more an anomaly and normal service resumes again, the season before PSG wrapped up by March. The drop off to dross in Ligue 1 is huge, there's 9 clubs on Transfermarkt that have squad values less than £50m, there's 1 Bundesliga.

TM Values are irrelevant in this though It still thinks Jordan Henderson is a £25m player Laugh.  The irony of saying France isn't as competitive yet since 08/09 6 different sides have won it yet Bundesliga had 3.  

France competitive sides - PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lyon on occasions Montpellier, Lille, Nice, Rennes, Bordeaux,
Germany - Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig, on occasions - Schalke,Leverkusen,Wolfsburg & Gladbach.

There's not really that much between them quality wise both have a stand out side then people that make up the rest of the runners that alternate yearly Laugh

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Post by BamBam Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:38 pm

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If splitting in that detail, I'd go

PL, La Liga
Bundesliga, Serie A
Ligue 1

I reckon 1st vs 1st down to 20th vs 20th for PL and La Liga would be very close in terms of overall record, and the same for Bundesliga and Serie A

Any of the 4 would beat Ligue 1 in the same way

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Post by Marky Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:40 pm

Fernando wrote:Plus Neymar/Cavani/Fekir would make most PL sides etc

Fekir has had about 3 months of form, and you're putting him with Neymar Laugh

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:41 pm

If we are talking quality dropping off go look at Seria A Laugh

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:42 pm

Marky wrote:
Fernando wrote:Plus Neymar/Cavani/Fekir would make most PL sides etc

Fekir has had about 3 months of form, and you're putting him with Neymar Laugh

Might wanna read it again Whistle Nonce.

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Post by Marky Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:48 pm

Maybe you should reword it to what you meant then, nonceando

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Post by Hero Mon 04 Dec 2017, 4:48 pm

There may be a few Henderson like anomalies but overall TM is a decent enough guide to compare the leagues. Yes since 08/09 there's been different winners but going forward it's looking more and more a 1 horse race.

Here's a comparison of the league values:

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Shows the Premier League overall is the most competitive with 6 fairly equal sides which I don't think anyone can argue with. Ligue 1 with the biggest drop between top and the rest, PSG as a single club has a value more than the bottom 14 clubs combined.

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 5:00 pm

Marky wrote:Maybe you should reword it to what you meant then, nonceando

Im not sure it's possible to dumb it down any further but ill take a shot at it Laugh Despite the "Lack of quality" the likes of Neymar,Cavani,Verratti, Rabiot, Di Maria,Mbappe & even Fekir would still get into a lot of "high quality" PL sides. Better?

PS i don't care about values of a side rather then quality in said side Whistle There's plenty of high quality players on TM that have stupidly low values due to age.

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Post by Hero Mon 04 Dec 2017, 6:08 pm

There are, but they aren't localised to Ligue 1 or any other league but spread across them so the effect of them making values unbalanced is neutralised.

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Post by Marky Mon 04 Dec 2017, 7:37 pm

Fernando wrote:
Marky wrote:Maybe you should reword it to what you meant then, nonceando

Im not sure it's possible to dumb it down any further but ill take a shot at it Laugh Despite the "Lack of quality" the likes of Neymar,Cavani,Verratti, Rabiot, Di Maria,Mbappe & even Fekir would still get into a lot of "high quality" PL sides. Better?

So you missed off the word "even" before mentioning Fekir. Glad you've clarified.

(For the record I disagree. He's had a few months of form. Let's wait and see how he does this time next year in a struggling Stoke side.)

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Post by Fernando Mon 04 Dec 2017, 10:45 pm

When's Results Miky?

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Post by Holymiky Tue 05 Dec 2017, 12:02 am

Tomorrow night now mate.

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Post by TwisT Tue 05 Dec 2017, 10:12 am

Morning everyone

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Post by Hero Tue 05 Dec 2017, 10:33 am

Morning!

Mentioned to the Mrs last night that I was gutted we didn't get tickets to Foo Fighters next summer as Wolf Alice are supporting, turns out she'd gone and bought tickets for it. Happy days!

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Post by BamBam Tue 05 Dec 2017, 10:40 am

Morning all

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Post by Marky Tue 05 Dec 2017, 10:41 am

Hero wrote:Morning!

Mentioned to the Mrs last night that I was gutted we didn't get tickets to Foo Fighters next summer as Wolf Alice are supporting, turns out she'd gone and bought tickets for it. Happy days!

I can guarantee the same conversation with my Mrs would have been;

Me: I'm gutted we didn't get tickets to Foo Fighters next summer

Her: Oh well.

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Post by BamBam Tue 05 Dec 2017, 10:44 am

Ha, I had the same thought!

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Post by Hero Tue 05 Dec 2017, 10:53 am

99% of the time it would have been for me which makes it all the better!

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Post by Fernando Tue 05 Dec 2017, 10:55 am

Marky wrote:
Hero wrote:Morning!

Mentioned to the Mrs last night that I was gutted we didn't get tickets to Foo Fighters next summer as Wolf Alice are supporting, turns out she'd gone and bought tickets for it. Happy days!

I can guarantee the same conversation with my Mrs would have been;

Me: I'm gutted we didn't get tickets to Foo Fighters next summer

Her: Oh well.

To be fair she approved of me calling you a sex pest with your moustache so tickets are less likely then edd getting laid Laugh

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Post by BamBam Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:01 am

"Ahem, this is a PR announcement from the Morons

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/kingsley-coman-inspiration-behind-bayern-munich-win-over-hannover-ribery-heynckes-465458.jsp

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2017/12/4/16733252/kingsley-coman-bayern-munich-france

We'll take no further questions at this time"

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Post by Fernando Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:03 am

it's nice of him to do something it's only been 3/4 years...

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Post by TwisT Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:04 am

Hasn't he got laid yet?

Lawyers offers pants. You can make bids for Torriera if you want......pass away the day

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Post by BamBam Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:04 am

Recency bias rules this game

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Post by BamBam Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:07 am

Anyone selling a starting quality full back (either side)

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Post by Brooksey79 Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:07 am

gents

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Post by Hero Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:12 am

BamBam wrote:Anyone selling a starting quality full back (either side)

Grimaldo/Retsos/Gomez?

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Post by Brooksey79 Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:20 am

found a new CB but he's only got 2 first team games under his belt this season..the balance of potential and actual games is tight

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Post by TwisT Tue 05 Dec 2017, 11:23 am

BamBam wrote:Anyone selling a starting quality full back (either side)

Emerson, Tierney

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