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Post by Afro Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:34 am

First topic message reminder :

Welcome  to the Miky Challenge League






This Week's Fixtures

Season 2 TBC




This Week's Key Deadlines







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Team_________Manager
Kalamazoo Outrage_________Hero
Shakhtar Senseless_________Marky
Fußball_________Trebs
SAS_________Olly
Melbourne Victory_________Afro
Deportivo Wanka_________Nando
Olympique Marswag_________Miky
Melbourne City_________Twist
Wellington Pheonix_________Bam
Fiorentina Turner_________Tino
Match_________Transfer_________Other
Fixtures_________Lawyers_________Rules
Table_________Foreigns_________Youth Rules
Injuries_________Releases_________Press Conferences
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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:36 am

How about watch how the trial goes before throwing toys out of pram?

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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:38 am

Yeah, I can't see the harm in a trial

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Post by Afro Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:38 am

Trebs wrote:Buffon
Kompany
Barzagli
Pepe
Dani Alves
Iniesta
Sneijder
Filipe Luis
Robben
Zlatan
Ribery

I've just come up with that pretty quickly. They'd all be dirt cheap and that would be a pretty insane fifa team.

The pricing has to be consistent with fifa ratings or it's a nonsense.

All those players would be dirt cheap and get good ratings in a league where managers voted too
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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:40 am

How the trial goes is irrelevant. It could be better but i was looking forward to season 2 as a tactics based league. Not based on fifa ratings.

I've said I think it should either be a side cup competition or penned in after season 2.

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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:44 am

I just really don't get the resistance to it from you Trebs.
In the normal league you've got to try and fathom out the mindset of 9 other people, some of which may just not know about 1 of more of your players etc. There are tactics involved, probably more so than currently as each player can have numerous tweaks.
FIFA ratings, surely a system where the result is decided by something that knows all the components within it is better than the whim of an individual? Using this it's a uniform programme, there's no hidden agendas, there's no favoritism towards players or managers. How is that a bad thing?
This isn't currently a 'tactics' league in any shape of form with 200 words, it's working out each week who's voting and pandering to what they like to see in a team. The only tactic is who's the best politicker.

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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:46 am

I'm not arguing with the idea of using a fifa system. I'm fine with that as I've told you privately.

My issue is more that you're completely changing the format of the league midway through a cycle. It would be far better to wait till the next reboot to introduce this.

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:48 am

why is it mid-cycle? why are you obsessed with a 2 season life-span, can't keep re-booting, every single re-boot takes more life out of a league as people lose interest

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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:48 am

Trebs wrote:How the trial goes is irrelevant. It could be better but i was looking forward to season 2 as a tactics based league. Not based on fifa ratings.

I've said I think it should either be a side cup competition or penned in after season 2.

I wasn't particularly looking forward to season 2, I would have stuck with it but I've been pretty bored with seeing the same results over and over again on my games, and it does seem like some voters just don't like the players on my squad and there's not a lot I can do about that

FIFA at least gives me something I know I can work towards improving on

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Post by Holymiky Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:51 am

Trebs, give it a try with the trial and see how it goes please? It isnt going ahead unless the trial is successful as ive previously said.

No twist

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:51 am

I agree with Bam, once you get into a place where it's obvious your players for one reason or another aren't gonna be rated, it'll take forever to get that resolved, this way atleast you're not trying to be everything to everyone

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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:58 am

Can someone send Afro a list of these 8 names randomised so we can get some fixtures drawn and a timeline for the trial

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:08 pm

regarding Trebs, my final say

I dont see where his argument is? easy for me as short-term I'll benefit with my oldies, but in fairness I signed them expecting them to be rated on here anyway....as for the tactics based league, how can you have a tactics based league with 200 miserly words

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Post by Marky Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:10 pm

Brooksey79 wrote:why is it mid-cycle? why are you obsessed with a 2 season life-span, can't keep re-booting, every single re-boot takes more life out of a league as people lose interest

Boom.

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Post by TwisT Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:36 pm

Holymiky wrote:Trebs, give it a try with the trial and see how it goes please? It isnt going ahead unless the trial is successful as ive previously said.

No twist

Just confused as I was all for Fifa. Felt like you were telling me something I already agree with Laugh

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:42 pm

lookin to lease a decent 4x4 any suggestions?

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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:42 pm

Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.

If everyone else is in favour then so be it, but I'm not participating.

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:47 pm

why not, that's all I'm asking?

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Post by Marky Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:47 pm

Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.

If everyone else is in favour then so be it, but I'm not participating.

But there's no point quitting yet when it hasn't been finalised yet. Hence the suggestion you wait until the trial to a) see how you feel it goes, and b) see if everyone wants it to happen after the trial

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Post by Marky Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:47 pm

Trebs you'd look pretty foolish if you walked away without waiting for the trial and half of us didn't like how the trial went

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Post by Afro Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:48 pm

Random Fixtures from Bam

1 v 5
2 v 4
3 v 8
6 v 7


Random Order from Nando

Marky
Olly
Twist
Afro
Bam
Hero
Miky
Nando


Therefore test fixtures are:

Shakhtar v Moron
SAS v Dwarfs
Ebbsfleet v Wanka
Outrage v Marswag


I guess details on what to submit, how to submit and when to be given by Hero.
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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:50 pm

We can't force Trebs into it, personally I'd have hoped he would have at least given the trial a shot and show a willingness to see how it works before making decision on it like Bam has despite his reservations but that's his call to make.

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Post by Afro Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:52 pm

Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.


Normally I'd agree with you, but in this instance I think it is almost the lesser of 3 evils. Carrying on as is just going to lead to apathy from a load, a reboot won't be popular either.

Doing this resolves a handful of issues (subjectivity in the votes, difference of opinion on players, tactics not having enough of an impact, the league being a stockbroker league) in the least impactful way.

And based on your tactical approach, and Hero's initial test, I'd be making you bookies favourite.
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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:53 pm

All I'm saying is I'm not participating in anything fifa related in this iteration of the league.

You can do a trial perfectly with 8 managers

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Post by Fernando Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:02 pm

Trebs knows where Maddie is.

I don't mind the Fifa idea as long as can twitch it otherwise it's pointless.

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Post by Holymiky Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:07 pm

TwisT wrote:
Holymiky wrote:Trebs, give it a try with the trial and see how it goes please? It isnt going ahead unless the trial is successful as ive previously said.

No twist

Just confused as I was all for Fifa. Felt like you were telling me something I already agree with Laugh

Looking back on it now, i thought it was you who typed that you weren't happy with the idea originally then had a change of heart when i read your later post, turns out Trebs is the only one whos got the problem with it. My bad.

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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:09 pm

So what's required...

To trial it I'd need each person involved to check through this section: https://www.606v2.com/f242-formation-options and choose one and then apply it to your team with a first XI and subs.

If you then click on that option and you'll see every position has different options, these vary based upon what formation you picked but as an example a Central Midfielder may have:

Attacking Support
a) Balanced Attack (Occasionally make forward runs when the opportunity arises)
b) Stay Back While Attacking (Never make forward runs while on attack)
c) Get Forward (Join the attack and make runs beyond the striker(s))

Support on Crosses
a) Balanced Crossing Runs (Run into the penalty area or stay on the edge in crossing situations)
b) Get into the Box for Crosses (Make runs into the penalty area in crossing situations)
c) Stay on the Edge of Box for Crosses (Stay on edge of penalty area)

Positioning Freedom
a) Stick to Position (Stay in your formation position when attacking)
b) Free Roam (Take a free role and roam the attacking third)


So if my central midfielder is Milinkovic-Savic I'd pick the options of:

Get Forward
Get into the Box for Crosses
Stick to Position

Repeat this with each player.

Then choose an overall tactics option of one of the following from here:

https://www.606v2.com/t59841-tactic-options

Counter, High Pressure, Possession, Long Ball or provide individual scores to each of the options included there.

To finish off add in info of who in your team is in these roles: captain, short free kicks (left and right side), long free kick, penalties, and corners.

An example of how I'd like it look is here: https://www.606v2.com/t59847-example-tactics-sheet

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:09 pm

so what do we do? harsh to let trebs leave

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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:12 pm

I guess at the moment we're going with the trial to see if any of us like it at all

Whether to proceed with it on that basis comes afterwards

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:17 pm

I guess if people drop out mid-season on Fifa we can temp them easier just using the game engine as normal

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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:19 pm

Yep without adding in any specific factors

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:24 pm

yea the intricacies make it more complicated but would save blanket walkovers

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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:32 pm

CB - Interceptions, Attacking Support (A)
LB/RB - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (A)
LWB/RWB - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (A)
CDM - Interceptions, Attacking Support (B), Defensive Behaviour
CM - Interceptions, Positioning Freedom, Support on Crosses
CAM - Interceptions, Defensive Support, Positioning Freedom. Support on Crosses
LM/RM - Interceptions, Defensive Support. Support on Crosses, Support Runs (A)
LW/RW - Interceptions, Defensive Support, Chance Creation, Support on Crosses, Support Runs (A)
LF/RF - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (B), Defensive Pressing, Support Runs (B)
CF - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (B), Defensive Pressing, Support Runs (B)
ST - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (B), Defensive Pressing, Support Runs (B)

Tactic Options:

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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:33 pm

Should help get you going....

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Post by TwisT Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:46 pm

Shall we post them here then? Doing mine now. I am not going to think about the other team really. I am just going to concentrate on mine for the trial

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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:47 pm

Yep can do. I'll do mine and post them up too.

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Post by Brooksey79 Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:56 pm

clearly better tactical options than what we have available to us now

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Post by TwisT Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:09 pm

There you go:

Title: Ebbsfleet v Wanka Trial

Tactic choice: High Pressure

Formation: 4-4-2 (2 FB, 2 CB, 1 DM, 1 AM, 2 WG, 2 ST)

--------------Tosun---Locadia------------
-------------------Silva-------------------
Brandt--------------------------Willian
----------------Dendoncker --------------
Tierney---Martinez---Skriniar----Trippier
--------------------Neto-----------------


Subs: Mina, Emerson, Pellegrini, Torreira, Neres, Conti, Kluivert

Tierney – Stay Back
Trippier – Balanced Attack
Martinez – Stay Back
Skriniar – Stay Back
Dendoncker – Cut Passing Lanes, Balanced Attack
Brandt – Stay Forward, Balanced Width, Come Short, Stay on Edge of Box for crosses, Stick To Position
Willian – Stay Forward, Cut Inside, Get in Behind, Balanced Crossing Runs, Free Roam
Silva – Basic Defence Support, Stay on Edge of Box for crosses, Free Roam
Tosun – Basic Defence Support, Stay Central, Target Man
Locadia – Press Back Line, Balanced Width, Balanced Attack

Roles:

Captain: Martinez
Left short free kick: Silva
Right short free kick: Silva
Long free kick: Dendoncker
Penalties: Tosun
Left corner: Willian
Right corner: Willian

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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:10 pm

When did you sign Schweinsteiger angel

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Post by TwisT Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:11 pm

BamBam wrote:When did you sign Schweinsteiger angel

Copy and Paste issue which i spotted in 3 seconds after posting but trust you to spot it in 2 seconds Laugh

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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:24 pm

Afro wrote:
Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.


Normally I'd agree with you, but in this instance I think it is almost the lesser of 3 evils. Carrying on as is just going to lead to apathy from a load, a reboot won't be popular either.

Doing this resolves a handful of issues (subjectivity in the votes, difference of opinion on players, tactics not having enough of an impact, the league being a stockbroker league) in the least impactful way.

And based on your tactical approach, and Hero's initial test, I'd be making you bookies favourite.

Personally I think the best middle ground is to agree to complete season 2 then reboot with a fifa league.

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Post by Afro Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:30 pm

Dwarfs Test Game tactics

Tactic choice: High Pressure

Formation: 4-3-3 (2 FB, 2 CB, 1 DM, 2 CM, 2 WG, 1 ST)


-----Reus--------Jesus-------Fornals
---------Iniesta-----------Seri
-----------------Fabinho
Alonso-----Chiellini---Nunez----D’Ambrosio
------------------Subasic

Subs: Kamara, Berchiche, Konate, Tousart, Aouar, Wagner, Terrier

D’Ambrosio: Always overlap
Alonso: Always overlap
Chiellini: Stay Back
Nunez: Stay Back
Fabinho: Stay Back
Iniesta: Stay on edge of box, Free Roam
Seri: Get forward, stay on edge of box,
Reus: Cut inside, Get into box
Fornals: Cut inside, Get into box
Jesus: Press back line, Get in behind

Roles:

Captain: Chiellini
Left short free kick: Alonso
Right short free kick: Iniesta
Long free kick: Seri
Penalties: Jesus
Left corner: Alonso
Right corner: Alonso


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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:32 pm

Hero, are we going to be using live form for the games? Ie, player ratings are as up to date as possible rather than the ratings they started with when the game came out

Apologies if this has already been answered

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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:45 pm

Yep I updated it prior to then moving all the players around at the weekend.

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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:46 pm

Trebs wrote:
Afro wrote:
Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.


Normally I'd agree with you, but in this instance I think it is almost the lesser of 3 evils. Carrying on as is just going to lead to apathy from a load, a reboot won't be popular either.

Doing this resolves a handful of issues (subjectivity in the votes, difference of opinion on players, tactics not having enough of an impact, the league being a stockbroker league) in the least impactful way.

And based on your tactical approach, and Hero's initial test, I'd be making you bookies favourite.

Personally I think the best middle ground is to agree to complete season 2 then reboot with a fifa league.

Who else saw that coming? Laugh

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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:49 pm

Hero wrote:Yep I updated it prior to then moving all the players around at the weekend.

How do I know what rating my players will currently be on. For example .. if I assume this website is right, there are 3 different ratings for De Ligt

https://www.futhead.com/18/players/?name=de+ligt&bin_platform=ps


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Post by TwisT Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:56 pm

Also you said Yerry Mina was now in Fifa. I'm using Futhead too and he isn't coming up. How will I know his rating etc?

Same thing for Pellegri - hopefully he gets in it soon.

How often do Fifa update new players between games? Sure there are a few that moved in Jan that were in leagues not covered by Fifa (like Mina was)

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Post by BamBam Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:59 pm

There's usually an update for player movements after the January window closes, and a ratings refresh .. I assume that is when it was all done

SoFIFA has Mina as an 80 if that helps

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Post by Hero Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:06 pm

There won't be many (if any) more updates now as the season comes to a close, I will get FIFA 19 on day of release but that obviously not out until the tail end of September.

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Post by Fernando Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:10 pm

Their fut base card will be their standard rating and their overall will go up and down based on their weekly update.

Any cards your seeing on futhead are TOTW cards which is for Ultimate Team so won't be relevant for this.

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Post by Trebs Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:13 pm

Hero wrote:There won't be many (if any) more updates now as the season comes to a close, I will get FIFA 19 on day of release but that obviously not out until the tail end of September.

Start a brand new league when fifa 19 comes out!

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