Challenge League Homepage IV

by **Afro** Tue 02 Jan 2018, 9:34 am

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Team	_________	Manager
Kalamazoo Outrage	_________	Hero
Shakhtar Senseless	_________	Marky
Fußball	_________	Trebs
SAS	_________	Olly
Melbourne Victory	_________	Afro
Deportivo Wanka	_________	Nando
Olympique Marswag	_________	Miky
Melbourne City	_________	Twist
Wellington Pheonix	_________	Bam
Fiorentina Turner	_________	Tino

Match	_________	Transfer	_________	Other
Fixtures	_________	Lawyers	_________	Rules
Table	_________	Foreigns	_________	Youth Rules
Injuries	_________	Releases	_________	Press Conferences
	_________	Confirmation	_________
	_________	Loans	_________

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:36 am

How about watch how the trial goes before throwing toys out of pram?

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:38 am

Yeah, I can't see the harm in a trial

by **Afro** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:38 am

Trebs wrote:Buffon
Kompany
Barzagli
Pepe
Dani Alves
Iniesta
Sneijder
Filipe Luis
Robben
Zlatan
Ribery

I've just come up with that pretty quickly. They'd all be dirt cheap and that would be a pretty insane fifa team.

The pricing has to be consistent with fifa ratings or it's a nonsense.

All those players would be dirt cheap and get good ratings in a league where managers voted too

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:40 am

How the trial goes is irrelevant. It could be better but i was looking forward to season 2 as a tactics based league. Not based on fifa ratings.

I've said I think it should either be a side cup competition or penned in after season 2.

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:44 am

I just really don't get the resistance to it from you Trebs.
In the normal league you've got to try and fathom out the mindset of 9 other people, some of which may just not know about 1 of more of your players etc. There are tactics involved, probably more so than currently as each player can have numerous tweaks.
FIFA ratings, surely a system where the result is decided by something that knows all the components within it is better than the whim of an individual? Using this it's a uniform programme, there's no hidden agendas, there's no favoritism towards players or managers. How is that a bad thing?
This isn't currently a 'tactics' league in any shape of form with 200 words, it's working out each week who's voting and pandering to what they like to see in a team. The only tactic is who's the best politicker.

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:46 am

I'm not arguing with the idea of using a fifa system. I'm fine with that as I've told you privately.

My issue is more that you're completely changing the format of the league midway through a cycle. It would be far better to wait till the next reboot to introduce this.

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:48 am

why is it mid-cycle? why are you obsessed with a 2 season life-span, can't keep re-booting, every single re-boot takes more life out of a league as people lose interest

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:48 am

Trebs wrote:How the trial goes is irrelevant. It could be better but i was looking forward to season 2 as a tactics based league. Not based on fifa ratings.

I've said I think it should either be a side cup competition or penned in after season 2.

I wasn't particularly looking forward to season 2, I would have stuck with it but I've been pretty bored with seeing the same results over and over again on my games, and it does seem like some voters just don't like the players on my squad and there's not a lot I can do about that

FIFA at least gives me something I know I can work towards improving on

by Holymiky Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:51 am

Trebs, give it a try with the trial and see how it goes please? It isnt going ahead unless the trial is successful as ive previously said.

No twist

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:51 am

I agree with Bam, once you get into a place where it's obvious your players for one reason or another aren't gonna be rated, it'll take forever to get that resolved, this way atleast you're not trying to be everything to everyone

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:58 am

Can someone send Afro a list of these 8 names randomised so we can get some fixtures drawn and a timeline for the trial

Afro
Marky
Hero
Miky
Nando
Olly
Twist
Bam

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:08 pm

regarding Trebs, my final say

I dont see where his argument is? easy for me as short-term I'll benefit with my oldies, but in fairness I signed them expecting them to be rated on here anyway....as for the tactics based league, how can you have a tactics based league with 200 miserly words

by Marky Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:10 pm

Brooksey79 wrote:why is it mid-cycle? why are you obsessed with a 2 season life-span, can't keep re-booting, every single re-boot takes more life out of a league as people lose interest

Boom.

by TwisT Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:36 pm

Holymiky wrote:Trebs, give it a try with the trial and see how it goes please? It isnt going ahead unless the trial is successful as ive previously said.

No twist

Just confused as I was all for Fifa. Felt like you were telling me something I already agree with Laugh

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:42 pm

lookin to lease a decent 4x4 any suggestions?

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:42 pm

Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.

If everyone else is in favour then so be it, but I'm not participating.

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:47 pm

why not, that's all I'm asking?

by Marky Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:47 pm

Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.

If everyone else is in favour then so be it, but I'm not participating.

But there's no point quitting yet when it hasn't been finalised yet. Hence the suggestion you wait until the trial to a) see how you feel it goes, and b) see if everyone wants it to happen after the trial

by Marky Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:47 pm

Trebs you'd look pretty foolish if you walked away without waiting for the trial and half of us didn't like how the trial went

by **Afro** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:48 pm

Random Fixtures from Bam

1 v 5
2 v 4
3 v 8
6 v 7

Random Order from Nando

Marky
Olly
Twist
Afro
Bam
Hero
Miky
Nando

Therefore test fixtures are:

Shakhtar v Moron
SAS v Dwarfs
Ebbsfleet v Wanka
Outrage v Marswag

I guess details on what to submit, how to submit and when to be given by Hero.

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:50 pm

We can't force Trebs into it, personally I'd have hoped he would have at least given the trial a shot and show a willingness to see how it works before making decision on it like Bam has despite his reservations but that's his call to make.

by **Afro** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:52 pm

Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.

Normally I'd agree with you, but in this instance I think it is almost the lesser of 3 evils. Carrying on as is just going to lead to apathy from a load, a reboot won't be popular either.

Doing this resolves a handful of issues (subjectivity in the votes, difference of opinion on players, tactics not having enough of an impact, the league being a stockbroker league) in the least impactful way.

And based on your tactical approach, and Hero's initial test, I'd be making you bookies favourite.

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:53 pm

All I'm saying is I'm not participating in anything fifa related in this iteration of the league.

You can do a trial perfectly with 8 managers

by Fernando Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:02 pm

Trebs knows where Maddie is.

I don't mind the Fifa idea as long as can twitch it otherwise it's pointless.

by Holymiky Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:07 pm

TwisT wrote:
Holymiky wrote:Trebs, give it a try with the trial and see how it goes please? It isnt going ahead unless the trial is successful as ive previously said.

No twist

Just confused as I was all for Fifa. Felt like you were telling me something I already agree with

Looking back on it now, i thought it was you who typed that you weren't happy with the idea originally then had a change of heart when i read your later post, turns out Trebs is the only one whos got the problem with it. My bad.

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:09 pm

So what's required...

To trial it I'd need each person involved to check through this section: https://www.606v2.com/f242-formation-options and choose one and then apply it to your team with a first XI and subs.

If you then click on that option and you'll see every position has different options, these vary based upon what formation you picked but as an example a Central Midfielder may have:

Attacking Support
a) Balanced Attack (Occasionally make forward runs when the opportunity arises)
b) Stay Back While Attacking (Never make forward runs while on attack)
c) Get Forward (Join the attack and make runs beyond the striker(s))

Support on Crosses
a) Balanced Crossing Runs (Run into the penalty area or stay on the edge in crossing situations)
b) Get into the Box for Crosses (Make runs into the penalty area in crossing situations)
c) Stay on the Edge of Box for Crosses (Stay on edge of penalty area)

Positioning Freedom
a) Stick to Position (Stay in your formation position when attacking)
b) Free Roam (Take a free role and roam the attacking third)

So if my central midfielder is Milinkovic-Savic I'd pick the options of:

Get Forward
Get into the Box for Crosses
Stick to Position

Repeat this with each player.

Then choose an overall tactics option of one of the following from here:

https://www.606v2.com/t59841-tactic-options

Counter, High Pressure, Possession, Long Ball or provide individual scores to each of the options included there.

To finish off add in info of who in your team is in these roles: captain, short free kicks (left and right side), long free kick, penalties, and corners.

An example of how I'd like it look is here: https://www.606v2.com/t59847-example-tactics-sheet

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:09 pm

so what do we do? harsh to let trebs leave

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:12 pm

I guess at the moment we're going with the trial to see if any of us like it at all

Whether to proceed with it on that basis comes afterwards

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:17 pm

I guess if people drop out mid-season on Fifa we can temp them easier just using the game engine as normal

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:19 pm

Yep without adding in any specific factors

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:24 pm

yea the intricacies make it more complicated but would save blanket walkovers

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:32 pm

CB - Interceptions, Attacking Support (A)
LB/RB - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (A)
LWB/RWB - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (A)
CDM - Interceptions, Attacking Support (B), Defensive Behaviour
CM - Interceptions, Positioning Freedom, Support on Crosses
CAM - Interceptions, Defensive Support, Positioning Freedom. Support on Crosses
LM/RM - Interceptions, Defensive Support. Support on Crosses, Support Runs (A)
LW/RW - Interceptions, Defensive Support, Chance Creation, Support on Crosses, Support Runs (A)
LF/RF - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (B), Defensive Pressing, Support Runs (B)
CF - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (B), Defensive Pressing, Support Runs (B)
ST - Interceptions, Attacking Runs (B), Defensive Pressing, Support Runs (B)

Tactic Options:

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:33 pm

Should help get you going....

by TwisT Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:46 pm

Shall we post them here then? Doing mine now. I am not going to think about the other team really. I am just going to concentrate on mine for the trial

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:47 pm

Yep can do. I'll do mine and post them up too.

by Brooksey79 Mon 19 Mar 2018, 1:56 pm

clearly better tactical options than what we have available to us now

by TwisT Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:09 pm

There you go:

Title: Ebbsfleet v Wanka Trial

Tactic choice: High Pressure

Formation: 4-4-2 (2 FB, 2 CB, 1 DM, 1 AM, 2 WG, 2 ST)

--------------Tosun---Locadia------------
-------------------Silva-------------------
Brandt--------------------------Willian
----------------Dendoncker --------------
Tierney---Martinez---Skriniar----Trippier
--------------------Neto-----------------

Subs: Mina, Emerson, Pellegrini, Torreira, Neres, Conti, Kluivert

Tierney – Stay Back
Trippier – Balanced Attack
Martinez – Stay Back
Skriniar – Stay Back
Dendoncker – Cut Passing Lanes, Balanced Attack
Brandt – Stay Forward, Balanced Width, Come Short, Stay on Edge of Box for crosses, Stick To Position
Willian – Stay Forward, Cut Inside, Get in Behind, Balanced Crossing Runs, Free Roam
Silva – Basic Defence Support, Stay on Edge of Box for crosses, Free Roam
Tosun – Basic Defence Support, Stay Central, Target Man
Locadia – Press Back Line, Balanced Width, Balanced Attack

Roles:

Captain: Martinez
Left short free kick: Silva
Right short free kick: Silva
Long free kick: Dendoncker
Penalties: Tosun
Left corner: Willian
Right corner: Willian

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:10 pm

When did you sign Schweinsteiger angel

by TwisT Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:11 pm

BamBam wrote:When did you sign Schweinsteiger

Copy and Paste issue which i spotted in 3 seconds after posting but trust you to spot it in 2 seconds Laugh

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:24 pm

Afro wrote:
Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.

Normally I'd agree with you, but in this instance I think it is almost the lesser of 3 evils. Carrying on as is just going to lead to apathy from a load, a reboot won't be popular either.

Doing this resolves a handful of issues (subjectivity in the votes, difference of opinion on players, tactics not having enough of an impact, the league being a stockbroker league) in the least impactful way.

And based on your tactical approach, and Hero's initial test, I'd be making you bookies favourite.

Personally I think the best middle ground is to agree to complete season 2 then reboot with a fifa league.

by **Afro** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:30 pm

Dwarfs Test Game tactics

Tactic choice: High Pressure

Formation: 4-3-3 (2 FB, 2 CB, 1 DM, 2 CM, 2 WG, 1 ST)

-----Reus--------Jesus-------Fornals
---------Iniesta-----------Seri
-----------------Fabinho
Alonso-----Chiellini---Nunez----D’Ambrosio
------------------Subasic

Subs: Kamara, Berchiche, Konate, Tousart, Aouar, Wagner, Terrier

D’Ambrosio: Always overlap
Alonso: Always overlap
Chiellini: Stay Back
Nunez: Stay Back
Fabinho: Stay Back
Iniesta: Stay on edge of box, Free Roam
Seri: Get forward, stay on edge of box,
Reus: Cut inside, Get into box
Fornals: Cut inside, Get into box
Jesus: Press back line, Get in behind

Roles:

Captain: Chiellini
Left short free kick: Alonso
Right short free kick: Iniesta
Long free kick: Seri
Penalties: Jesus
Left corner: Alonso
Right corner: Alonso

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:32 pm

Hero, are we going to be using live form for the games? Ie, player ratings are as up to date as possible rather than the ratings they started with when the game came out

Apologies if this has already been answered

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:45 pm

Yep I updated it prior to then moving all the players around at the weekend.

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:46 pm

Trebs wrote:
Afro wrote:
Trebs wrote:Whether it's one season, two seasons or five seasons you can't just completely change the league halfway through.

Normally I'd agree with you, but in this instance I think it is almost the lesser of 3 evils. Carrying on as is just going to lead to apathy from a load, a reboot won't be popular either.

Doing this resolves a handful of issues (subjectivity in the votes, difference of opinion on players, tactics not having enough of an impact, the league being a stockbroker league) in the least impactful way.

And based on your tactical approach, and Hero's initial test, I'd be making you bookies favourite.

Personally I think the best middle ground is to agree to complete season 2 then reboot with a fifa league.

Who else saw that coming? Laugh

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:49 pm

Hero wrote:Yep I updated it prior to then moving all the players around at the weekend.

How do I know what rating my players will currently be on. For example .. if I assume this website is right, there are 3 different ratings for De Ligt

https://www.futhead.com/18/players/?name=de+ligt&bin_platform=ps

by TwisT Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:56 pm

Also you said Yerry Mina was now in Fifa. I'm using Futhead too and he isn't coming up. How will I know his rating etc?

Same thing for Pellegri - hopefully he gets in it soon.

How often do Fifa update new players between games? Sure there are a few that moved in Jan that were in leagues not covered by Fifa (like Mina was)

by BamBam Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:59 pm

There's usually an update for player movements after the January window closes, and a ratings refresh .. I assume that is when it was all done

SoFIFA has Mina as an 80 if that helps

by **Hero** Mon 19 Mar 2018, 3:06 pm

There won't be many (if any) more updates now as the season comes to a close, I will get FIFA 19 on day of release but that obviously not out until the tail end of September.

by Fernando Mon 19 Mar 2018, 3:10 pm

Their fut base card will be their standard rating and their overall will go up and down based on their weekly update.

Any cards your seeing on futhead are TOTW cards which is for Ultimate Team so won't be relevant for this.

by Trebs Mon 19 Mar 2018, 3:13 pm

Hero wrote:There won't be many (if any) more updates now as the season comes to a close, I will get FIFA 19 on day of release but that obviously not out until the tail end of September.

Start a brand new league when fifa 19 comes out!

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