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Team	_________	Manager
Kalamazoo Outrage	_________	Hero
Shakhtar Senseless	_________	Marky
Fußball	_________	Trebs
SAS	_________	Olly
Melbourne Victory	_________	Afro
Deportivo Wanka	_________	Nando
Olympique Marswag	_________	Miky
Melbourne City	_________	Twist
Wellington Pheonix	_________	Bam
Fiorentina Turner	_________	Tino

Match	_________	Transfer	_________	Other
Fixtures	_________	Lawyers	_________	Rules
Table	_________	Foreigns	_________	Youth Rules
Injuries	_________	Releases	_________	Press Conferences
	_________	Confirmation	_________
	_________	Loans	_________

Updated.

I reckon at least one more game would be good so two more volunteers

Sure

Here's how the teams are shaping up so far for it:

Me - Adelaide Utd. ATT 79, MID 81, DEF 79
Miky - Brisbane Roar. ATT 83, MID 81, DEF 82
Olly - Central Coast. ATT 84, MID 78, DEF 79
Afro - Melbourne Victory. ATT 81, MID 82, DEF 77
Twist - Melbourne City. ATT 80, MID 81, DEF 79
Trebs - Newcastle Jets. ATT 82, MID 82, DEF 82
Marky - Perth Glory. ATT 80, MID 81, DEF 79

Just ran a quick season of it using the 7 teams above through the tournament option and simmed all games (played each team twice).
Trebs team won on 25 points, 6 ahead of Afro.

i will volunteer too someone tell me what to do haha

Right, so we have me, marky, Hero, Miky, Nando and Olly.

Someone PM me the list of managers numbered 1 to 7, someone else send me the numbers as a draw eg 1 v 2, 3 v 4 etc.

Happy to volunteer too

I'm sorry but I'm against this. I think the main league should be done as a tactics and teams as standard because that's what we've set up our squads to do.

I like the idea of fifa but there needs to be a reboot for this IMO.

I don't really see what the issue is tbh. We have set-up our squads based on what we think different people's opinions are. Now we have to do it based on FIFA opinion (rating) only. It would be no different to having a new manager with different opinions.

You'd also hope that our opinions aren't a million miles away from FIFAs anyway. It also removes the risk of tactical voting or unconscious bias (against players/real life teams mainly, but potentially against managers too)

I'll do tactics too if you need an 8th

I do somewhat agree with Trebs, but happy to go with the majority vote.

Afro wrote:Right, so we have me, marky, Hero, Miky, Nando and Olly.

Someone PM me the list of managers numbered 1 to 7, someone else send me the numbers as a draw eg 1 v 2, 3 v 4 etc.

So list of managers is:

Afro
Marky
Hero
Miky
Nando
Olly
Twist
Bam

8 managers, 4 fixtures

Afro wrote:I don't really see what the issue is tbh. We have set-up our squads based on what we think different people's opinions are. Now we have to do it based on FIFA opinion (rating) only. It would be no different to having a new manager with different opinions.

You'd also hope that our opinions aren't a million miles away from FIFAs anyway. It also removes the risk of tactical voting or unconscious bias (against players/real life teams mainly, but potentially against managers too)

Well I wouldn't have released Zlatan the other day if we were doing fifa style next season.

The only way you can do it properly is by starting out with this intention, and by pricing players based on fifa rating.

I'm happy for it to be a side cup competition as a trial to use beyond season 2, but not to replace the league.

Hero, I know you posted the link to the tactics page you set up which lists all the possible options but can you do a new post that condenses it down to what you actually need for tactics.

For those that don't play Fifa.

I said about you releasing Zlatan to hero when we were discussing it over weekend. He isn't that good in Fifa apparently though.

TwisT wrote:Hero, I know you posted the link to the tactics page you set up which lists all the possible options but can you do a new post that condenses it down to what you actually need for tactics.

For those that don't play Fifa.

I said about you releasing Zlatan to hero when we were discussing it over weekend. He isn't that good in Fifa apparently though.

Zlatan is an absolute monster on fifa. He's 87 rated, wins every header and is a general beast.

Oh well nevermind

He's still probably a mid 80s rated player without checking, in an auto sim game that will make a difference

Trebs wrote:

Afro wrote:I don't really see what the issue is tbh. We have set-up our squads based on what we think different people's opinions are. Now we have to do it based on FIFA opinion (rating) only. It would be no different to having a new manager with different opinions.

You'd also hope that our opinions aren't a million miles away from FIFAs anyway. It also removes the risk of tactical voting or unconscious bias (against players/real life teams mainly, but potentially against managers too)

Well I wouldn't have released Zlatan the other day if we were doing fifa style next season.

The only way you can do it properly is by starting out with this intention, and by pricing players based on fifa rating.

I'm happy for it to be a side cup competition as a trial to use beyond season 2, but not to replace the league.

I think we are all sensible enough to say that anyone wanted to unreleased someone or reverse a lawyers acceptance from the last week or so, then they could. There's bound to be downsides, but nothing insurmountable.

Don't agree on the pricing. It's no different to how it is now, and real life isn't like that. Using your Ibra example, United signed him for free remember

I also don't get the need for a different price engine for FIFA, if anything using FIFA actually makes it better for managers that don't stockmarket as the kids aren't as good in the game.
Ibra may be a beast in the air, but his speed is turgid.

Got a random fixture draw from Bam (thanks Bam )

Just need someone to randomly list the managers numbers 1 to 8 please

Where was the link to the tactics required? If I'm setting up for Zlatan, I'd be putting maximum crosses in, he'll get on the end of something

Defend him with 1 tall CB on him and 1 quick CB in support.

Highish line. Challenge the header, tbh let him win as many headers as he likes from just outside the 18 yard box and make sure you win the second ball

But you can't set that much detail on FIFA ...

Okay. Pull his ponytail then.

Presumably you can define how high a defensive line you play though

I've added back the fifa league section into this section if people want to look through it, I've remove the older teams shortly.

In fairness, there are a hell of a lot of player instructions on FIFA, but I just think it would be too much work for Hero/whoever to input them uniquely for every single player

https://www.fifauteam.com/fifa-18-player-instructions-guide/

In regards to your query regarding defensive line:

https://www.606v2.com/t59841-tactic-options

They're the standard options regarding overall tactics, you can though if you wish do a custom tactics by adding a number from 0-100 for each of these:

Build Up Play
Speed
Passing
Positioning

Chance Creation
Passing
Crossing
Shooting
Positioning

Defence
Pressure
Aggression
Team Width
Defender Line (Cover or offside trap)

BamBam wrote:In fairness, there are a hell of a lot of player instructions on FIFA, but I just think it would be too much work for Hero/whoever to input them uniquely for every single player

https://www.fifauteam.com/fifa-18-player-instructions-guide/

Honestly it really doesn't take long to do it!

I already set up (with Nando and Miky's help) every permutation of formation with the options every player can have to make it easy for people to write their tactics each week, all I'd need is people to complete something similar to this:

https://www.606v2.com/t59847-example-tactics-sheet

Ok, well that looks like it could be pretty detailed! I'm all for the trial, but do agree with Trebs concerns on the players

Will make for some very different transfer targets to what I had in mind

Holymiky wrote:Just so we are clear, the test has to work first before we go along with FIFA

Basically

Just putting this out there as suggestions for the trial..

Is it worth having 3 people vote as normal on the teams and FIFA tactics too? Then we can see just how far off our predictions the FIFA results would be.

Could also sim each game 3 times to get a best of 3 scenario

I don't really see the players issue, Fifa isn't the complete pace abuse game it used to be and ultimately good players on there are good players when just voting too

For me the positives of it vastly outweigh the negatives.

+ No bias on results
+ A set template for tactics
+ Ratings for every player after each game
+ No need to vote on games each week
+ Actually get to watch the games (if you wish)

- Some players not in league (small number of S.American and ones in Chinese league)
- Subs are automatically done

What do I need to get set up to watch the games, would very much want to do that

When I did it last time it was through Twitch, think it may have changed on Xbox since then though.

Trebs, Ibra is not going to be the be all and end all.

The way Hero put it into points is correct at the end of the day. We need something fresh as people were not happy with doing tactics again.

Twist I would quite happily do tactics again personally but you have to remember there are some veteran league goers that have been writing tactics for years and probably find it dull, the majority I saw wanted fifa so we will trial it and hey, if it goes wrong we will just revert, honestly give it a shot I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised.

Twitch saves the videos for 90 days I think? Which is a bonus so you can go and watch them back too.

mornin, I'm up for a FIFA league

Buffon
Kompany
Barzagli
Pepe
Dani Alves
Iniesta
Sneijder
Filipe Luis
Robben
Zlatan
Ribery

I've just come up with that pretty quickly. They'd all be dirt cheap and that would be a pretty insane fifa team.

The pricing has to be consistent with fifa ratings or it's a nonsense.

Oi, stop giving away my targets

the fact I have 3 of them, doesn't mean that's why I want a fifa league

All those players for this league in this current format are all dirt cheap and are still worldies. How is that any different?

Trebs wrote:Buffon
Kompany
Barzagli
Pepe
Dani Alves
Iniesta
Sneijder
Filipe Luis
Robben
Zlatan
Ribery

I've just come up with that pretty quickly. They'd all be dirt cheap and that would be a pretty insane fifa team.

The pricing has to be consistent with fifa ratings or it's a nonsense.

We're playing FIFA 18 not FIFA 12

the way I see it is, a quality player as per Fifa's standards, SHOULD be judged as a quality player on this league anyway, playing it through FIFA shouldn't really be any different....FIFA doing the results does knock out the dodgier results - Trebe himself questioned Marky's integrity just last week, this rules that out

I guess the issue would be something like this scenario (again, I do see Trebs point)

https://www.futhead.com/compare/citp704y18citp311y18/

Ribery - 86
Reus - 86

On TM - Ribery costs £4.5m, Reus is a lot more

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Trebs wrote:Buffon
Kompany
Barzagli
Pepe
Dani Alves
Iniesta
Sneijder
Filipe Luis
Robben
Zlatan
Ribery

I've just come up with that pretty quickly. They'd all be dirt cheap and that would be a pretty insane fifa team.

The pricing has to be consistent with fifa ratings or it's a nonsense.

We're playing FIFA 18 not FIFA 12

I know. But fifa is big on the legacy ratings.
Pepe, ribery and Zlatan would be laughed at if they're played with normal tactics. On fifa they'd be class.

Perhaps that's a good thing that the bias isn't swayed totally on some 16 year old kid who's played 2 games (for which I'm one of the most guilty parties). And that in doing so it makes managers such as myself have to decide whether to keep buying all the kids to make profit  or to target the actual good fifa players. Because at present it's just a win/win for me, I'm getting the kids and winning with them.

i built my side with proven players....I'm happy to embrace the new style of waxing lyrical on a teenager with half a good season

Lets give it a go anyway, worst case we stick with the status quo

Did anyone send Afro a list of the managers randomised? Lets set some deadlines for the tactics etc

Holymiky wrote:Trebs, Ibra is not going to be the be all and end all.

The way Hero put it into points is correct at the end of the day. We need something fresh as people were not happy with doing tactics again.

Twist I would quite happily do tactics again personally but you have to remember there are some veteran league goers that have been writing tactics for years and probably find it dull, the majority I saw wanted fifa so we will trial it and hey, if it goes wrong we will just revert, honestly give it a shot I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised.

Did you mean that for Trebs?

I'm going to step out in that case.

Wish you all luck with the league but I think it's wrong to completely change the structure of a league mid-cycle. I'm all for tweaking rules but this is too far.