If I was a England selector...

Then this would be my side for Englands summer season.

Test:
1) Andrew Strauss (C)
2) Alistair Cook
3) Jonathan Trott
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Ian Bell
6) Eoin Morgan
7) Matt Prior (W-K)
8) Stuart Broad
9) Graeme Swann
10) James Anderson
11) Chris Tremlett

12th man- Graham Onions

ODI:
1) Alistair Cook (C)
2) Craig Kieswetter
3) Jonathan Trott
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Ian Bell
6) Eoin Morgan
7) Matt Prior (W-K)
8) Stuart Broad
9) Tim Bresnan
10) Graeme Swann
11) James Anderson

12th man- Ravi Bopara

T20:
1) Craig Kieswetter
2) Steve Davies (W-K)
3) Kevin Pietersen
4) Eoin Morgan
5) James Hildreth
6) Ravi Bopara
7) Michael Yardy
8) Tim Bresnan
9) Stuart Broad (C)
10) Graeme Swann
11) Chris Woakes

12th man- Ajmal Shahzhad

If you were a selector,what would your sides be?

Mine wouldn't be too dissimilar to those truth be told.

Being a Leicestershire boy, I would like to see James Taylor knocking on the door if he gets into good knick.

Sainty wrote:Mine wouldn't be too dissimilar to those truth be told.

Being a Leicestershire boy, I would like to see James Taylor knocking on the door if he gets into good knick.

It was between Taylor and Hildreth for the T20 side but Hildreth just nicked it for me. Taylor is certainly knocking on the door though and could be included in the T20 side in a few months time.

There definitely are a lot of players knocking on the door, especially for the limited overs sides.

With Broad being made T20 captain, you'd have thought there might be a shift towards younger players to build another world championship winning side.

It'll be interesting anyway as the domestic tournaments come and go and form changes.

Sainty wrote:There definitely are a lot of players knocking on the door, especially for the limited overs sides.

With Broad being made T20 captain, you'd have thought there might be a shift towards younger players to build another world championship winning side.

It'll be interesting anyway as the domestic tournaments come and go and form changes.

Next t20 WC is in Bangladesh, England won't be contenders

With all due respect, they said the same in the last one and we won it. Anything can happen in t20 cricket.

Sainty wrote:With all due respect, they said the same in the last one and we won it. Anything can happen in t20 cricket.

Any event in Asia and England's seamers are pathetic.

History would suggest that, but under the Flower regime, the side are making massive strides.

Sainty wrote:History would suggest that, but under the Flower regime, the side are making massive strides.

Dunno what you're talking about.

2011 ICC WC showed how poor England are in the sub continent.

They lucked out a few times. Otherwise where the weakest of the top tier sides.

You do seem to have a strong opinion upon England lol.

Liam_Main wrote:

Sainty wrote:Mine wouldn't be too dissimilar to those truth be told.

Being a Leicestershire boy, I would like to see James Taylor knocking on the door if he gets into good knick.

It was between Taylor and Hildreth for the T20 side but Hildreth just nicked it for me. Taylor is certainly knocking on the door though and could be included in the T20 side in a few months time.

Why does he have to start with T20s? It's his weakest format. The guy averages almost 50 in both First-class and List A cricket.

Mine:

Tests:
Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Morgan, Prior, Broad, Swann, Tremlett, Anderson.
Bresnan maybe instead of Broad, but he's injured atm, though I believe he'll be back for the one-dayers.

ODIs:
Cook, Kieswetter, Trott, Bell, Taylor, Morgan, Patel, Woakes, Bresnan, Swann, Broad
Woakes' place could just as easily go to Dernbach or Shahzad. Pietersen's ODI form over the past two years just isn't good enough. Personally, I'd have made Bell captain and opened with him.

T20s:
Lumb, Kieswetter, Pietersen, Morgan, Patel, ***, Buttler, Woakes, Bresnan, Swann, Broad
Same point as above regarding Woakes. Was going to pick Davies over Lumb, but Lumb did well in our World Cup win and has started the domestic T20 well this year. Not sure of one space - I was going to pick Stokes but he's out for a while now. The position was Collingwood's, so perhaps he keeps it if he stays the domestic season well. Otherwise, there's Wright who is still a good option in the shortest format.

Liam, you have a problem with your ODI side, there are only 4 bowlers.

my sides would be

test
1)Strauss
2)Cook
3)Trott
4)KP
5)Bell
6)Prior
7)Rashid
8)Swann
9)Broad
10)Anderson
11)Finn

ODI
1)Cook
2)Luke Wright
3)Bopara
4)James Vince
5)Eoin Morgan
6)Jonathon Trott
7)Steve Davies (WK)
8)Graeme Swann
9)Stuart Broad
10)Graham Napier
11)James Anderson

t20)
1)Craig Kieswetter (WK)
2)Ravi Bopara
3)Jonathon Trott
4)Eoin Morgan
5)Tom Smith
6)Luke Wright
7)Samit Patel
8)Stuart Broad (C)
9)Adil rashid
10)Graeme Swann
11)Graham Napier

Agree with Jetty, you really need 5 bowlers in ODIs, or at least better options than Pietersen and Trott (Collingwood was usually good for a few, but even he wouldn't want to bowl his 10 on a regular basis).

Problem: is there an all-rounder around in english cricket? Probably not, so do you go with 5 genuine bowlers (inc prob Broad and Bresnan who can both bat). Do you give Yardy another go? But he is distinctly average... I'd go for:
Cook
Davies
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Shahzad
Anderson

I don't see much reason for Kieswetter to be there in any sides. and certainly not alongside Prior or Davies. Don't think he offers enough to be picked as a batter alone. if he'sn't keeping, he isn't playing for me.
my XIs
tests.
Andrew Strauss
Alastair Cook
Jonathan Trott
Kevin Pietersen
Ian Bell
Eoin Morgan
Matt Prior(WK)
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Chris Tremlett
James Anderson

ODIs.
Alastair Cook(C), not if I had a choice on the matter. Don't see Cook as a good ODI player, hopes he proves me wrong.
Steven Davies(WK)
Jonathan Trott
Kevin Pietersen
Ian Bell
Eoin Morgan
Steven Davies
Timm Bresnan
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Ajmal Shahzad

T-20
Steven Davies(WK)
Michael Lumb
Kevin Pietersen
Eoin Morgan
Ben Stokes
Luke Wright
Michael Yardy
Timm Bresnan
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Ajmal Shahzad

Test side has pretty much sledcted itself.
The limited overs sides though are wide open. I have a big issue with your 50 overs picks...no 5th bowling option. You could squeeze a few overs out of tRott and Pietersen but they cant be relied on for 10 overs a game and more if a front line option is struggling. With no Colli, Yardy going insane (and being increasingly innefective anyway), and Luke Wright being generaly useless on a regualkr basis theres a big issue at 7 for England. It could be a way in for Patel (if hes fit enough), and most sides generaly like 2 slow bowlers now.
The other option is an if fit Bresnan/Broad/Woakes /Swann/Anderson lineup, no proper 7 but plenty of hitting down to 10.

Keiswetter as a pure batsman? Cant see it.
Is it assumed that Strauss not being Capatin means hes dropped? Seems odd since he scored plenty in the world cup. I must admit to not paying that much attention to limited overs squads and news.
Cook Morgan Bell Trott Pietersen are surely certs, so does that make the make the keeper bat as an opener ( Prior/Keiswetter/Davies have all done this at some point)

For T20 lord only knows. You could pick a bunch of monkeys and try and get them to pull a peanut out a tube for all I care. But the idea of 3 different keepers for 3 formats is odd.

liam
why on earth would you play broad a guy who averages 36 in test cricket ahead of bresnan who averages 28 in test cricket.bresnan has got far more control than broad and he can reverse swing the ball.bresnan was exceptional in the Ashes.

msp83 wrote:
T-20
Steven Davies(WK)
Michael Lumb
Kevin Pietersen
Eoin Morgan
Ben Stokes
Luke Wright
Michael Yardy
Timm Bresnan
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Ajmal Shahzad

Honestly get rid of Wright and Yardy from the T20 side (they are consistent faliures anyway), theres only so many bits and pieces dibbly dobblers you need. Having said that Stokes doesnt exactly have much of a domestic T20 record to boast about, Im not sure Id have any other them.

Again an ODI side with just 4 bowlers cant rely on Trott and Piertsen to pretend to be a front line bowler.

liam
why on earth would you play broad a guy who averages 36 in test cricket ahead of bresnan who averages 28 in test cricket.bresnan has got far more control than broad and he can reverse swing the ball.bresnan was exceptional in the Ashes.

shanky if you dont like his side, make your own

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:liam
why on earth would you play broad a guy who averages 36 in test cricket ahead of bresnan who averages 28 in test cricket.bresnan has got far more control than broad and he can reverse swing the ball.bresnan was exceptional in the Ashes.

What this obsession with a bowlers average?

Broad has played 30 odd Tests so an average of 36 is pretty poor.

Bresnan has only played 7 Tests, so his average of 28 means very little.

Judge a bowler after 25-30 Tests.

sonic
what was broad's average after 7 tests?
answer is 45.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:sonic
what was broad's average after 7 tests?
answer is 45.

He played his 1st 3 Tests away from home.

Debut in SL, a graveyard.

He also played to Tests vs SA who are seriously decent with the willow.

I can't see why so many people are against Kieswetter playing as a batsman in one day cricket personally, this season he is right up there with the top run makers, double the amount of Davies who others have listed. And he has also hit 59 in his first 2020 innings for somerset.

My test side:

1) Strauss
2) Cook
3) Trott
4) KP
5) Bell
6) Morgan
7) Prior
8) Broad
9) Swann
10) Tremlett
11) Anderson

I would say KP's place is most under threat, 1 innings shouldnt get him off the hook so he should still have his place under threat until constant performances are shown. However i would now give him till the end of the India series to show this. Tremlett's place could be in danger if Onions has a good season as i would prefer him in the side.

One Day:

1) Cook
2) Kieswetter
3) Trott
4) Taylor
5) Bell
6) Morgan
7) Durston
8) Woakes
9) Bresnan
10) Broad
11) Swann

Durston has hit 300+ runs this season so far in one day cricket and his economy rate is 4 atm so could chip in with some bowling.

will think of a 2020 side later as im off to watch somerset now

In our last match in the World Cup we didn't manage to take a single wicket and if you look at the strike rates of the bowlers that has to be our weakest bowling attack we have put out. Other teams have at least 3 bowlers who have strike rates under 35.0. We missed Broad s/r 29.7.

Tremlett s/r 52.2
Bresnan s/r 42.6
Swann s/r 32.9
Tredwell s/r 55.5
Bopara s/r 40.9

My 5 bowlers would be Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Bresnan and Swann. (s/rs 29.7, 37.1, 22.5, 42.6, 32.9) Pietersen to be the sixth bowler and second spinner)

Cook, Kieswetter, Bell, Pietersen, Buttler, Morgan, Woakes, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Anderson.

Buttler averages 69.77 in the one day game and has a strike rate of 147.76.

Jetty I agree re: proper bowlers
But I cant see a whack-a-mole batsman like Buttler at 5 in the 50 over side when they have Keiswetter as a pinch hitter already. Bell, Pietersen and Morgan are all capable of rapid scoring, but theres a distinct lack of "hang around" batting. In teh last world cup the success England did have was generaly built around Trott hanging about and letting the others play their shots. Without people to build an innings around youd pretty soon get the situation again where the big hitters are trying to play sensibly to hold together as wickets tumble. You may argue that Cook is the hold togetehr slow player, but hes well capable of big shots when he feels free to do so ...just as Strauss was in the world cup when he had Trott backing him up.
If Buttler does come into the side Id see it as more likely to be for KP or Pietersen, but neither of those is likely to shift in the short term.

I think we should persist with opening the batting with KP, or coming in no lower than 3 at worst. Maybe if we lose a wicket in the first 5 then Trott comes in, but otherwise send KP in? Anyway, this is the side I owuld go with for ODI's:

Cook
Kieswetter
KP/Trott
Trott/KP
Taylor
Samit Patel
Buttler (with 2 t's as Bumble always likes to remind us)
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Shahzad

I like this side as it gives good variety in the seam bowling deparment, and it gives yout two spin options and plenty of flexibility in the batting department. The only issue is that you might not have enough back up bowlers to support the main 5, and this is where Woakes/Stokes might press Buttler for a place as they offer another bowling option.

JDizzle - you left out Morgan!

Yeah, I don't rate him as an ODI player...

HA! Oops, my bad. Was too busy trying to shoe horn Taylor in, in someway! I just love him as a player! Yeah, but Morgan in for Buttler or if you are feeling adventurous then put him in for Trott, althought Buttler is more likely as Trott offers the only other bowling option.

Or Pietersen?

Not yet at any rate. KP has played too well for England to be cast aside just yet. For me, he gets the ODI series against Sri Lanka to prove himself and then he is told that the first say 2/3 games of the India are his last chance saloon before he is dropped if he does nothing against SL. If is wasn't KP, he'd no doubt be out of the side by now and some people might say this would be wrong and would be double standards but that is the way it is!

What would your team be for ODI's m@tt?

for me Buttler isn't ready yet for the international scene, he had his debut season last year and he could well get found out this season as many players do. If he doesn't fair enough and select him next year as age isnt against him, but introducing him too early (as he is 20) could seriously damage him and future chances. So I would say give him 1 more season of just county cricket.

His form in ODIs doesn't warrant a place in my view - 2009 and 2010 were abysmally bad - 2011 improved but still not great. I'd rather he play first-class cricket then worry about correcting issues in a second form of the game.

I haven't fully decided my team yet.

I'd open with Cook and Kieswetter. One's captain, the other already has a couple of List A centuries this season.

Trott at 3, Morgan at 5. Then two of Bell, Taylor and Buttler.

Taylor has a fantastic List A record and is also near the Test squad, so picking him would be a good move. Buttler is young but he is very destructive batsman who has become a very effective finisher for Somerset - he is yet to score a century, but averages almost 70 with a strike-rate of almost 150. We usually look to players like Wright to powerhit - this guy looks something else (although Wright has just hit a second half-century in as many games for Sussex's T20 side). That said, he's only 20 so it would be a risk.

As much as I like Bell and even though I'd have chosen him as captain ahead of Cook, I may leave him out because really he should be batting in the top 3, but Cook and Trott are ahead of him and his ODI form isn't fantastic. He may get the Sri Lanka series to transfer his Test and List A form over to the ODI game, but he hasn't got many chances left.

Patel, who apparently now meets England's minimal fitness requirements, and Swann as spinners, Broad and Bresnan as lead quick bowlers. Then one of Woakes, Shahzad or Dernbach - don't mind which.