European cup matches with no thread - Round 2

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:15

Watching Munster v Glos and really hoping England don’t lose another number 8!

by **LondonTiger** Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:22

Poor YC imo for Savage. Thought it was a good clear out on a player killing the ball.

Exeter going well in France.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:23

Who needs a number 8.

Harsh yellow card. Play only stopped because the Munster centre complains about Glaws going off their feet and assistant thinks it's about the clear out. Panics and reports it to the ref.

If that's a yellow card there is going to be several more in this game.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:25

Yes, I thought yellow was harsh too. Let’s hope the ref is consistent.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:26

And Exeter do look to be doing really well.

by **LondonTiger** Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:26

I guess as Leinster man BOD is biased, but he has few times now suggested decisions by the ref have been unfair on Glaws.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:28

I’ve been watching it on channel 4 - think I’ll switch over for a bit more balance.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:28

And yet nothing for the 'charge down' of the conversion last week - Munster really do get some calls ...

by marty2086 Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:32

LondonTiger wrote:Poor YC imo for Savage. Thought it was a good clear out on a player killing the ball.

It was a forearm to the head, it happens every game and it was far from clear from the replays and the ref had to do some guesswork but in the modern game it's not allowed

by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:35

Red for Cips possibly coming.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:35

Red for cips?

by tigertattie Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:36

Some horrendously one eyed commentary going on

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:36

Hmm. That’s the game then.

by tigertattie Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:37

Yup. Game over. Of to the shops for me now

by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:38

marty2086 wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Poor YC imo for Savage. Thought it was a good clear out on a player killing the ball.

It was a forearm to the head, it happens every game and it was far from clear from the replays and the ref had to do some guesswork but in the modern game it's not allowed

In which case there will be two dozen yellow cards today. It's a weak call. Should have pinged the Munster boy for lying over the ruck and trying to kill the ball.

Stone cold red card under the new rules. No discussions there.

by marty2086 Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:42

formerly known as Sam wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Poor YC imo for Savage. Thought it was a good clear out on a player killing the ball.

It was a forearm to the head, it happens every game and it was far from clear from the replays and the ref had to do some guesswork but in the modern game it's not allowed

In which case there will be two dozen yellow cards today. It's a weak call. Should have pinged the Munster boy for lying over the ruck and trying to kill the ball.

Im not disagreeing but if you do it you run the risk, Ulster had it in South Africa last month, Alan O'Connor was carded early on and Ulster didn't go near rucks for about 40 mins then O'Connor did exactly the same thing and then a few hits like it followed and went unpunished

I'll say this, the ref is awful at the breakdown, he also penalised POM for not releasing for Banahan not being able to clear him out and there's been a few similar to it

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:45

formerly known as Sam wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Poor YC imo for Savage. Thought it was a good clear out on a player killing the ball.

It was a forearm to the head, it happens every game and it was far from clear from the replays and the ref had to do some guesswork but in the modern game it's not allowed

In which case there will be two dozen yellow cards today. It's a weak call. Should have pinged the Munster boy for lying over the ruck and trying to kill the ball.

Stone cold red card under the new rules. No discussions there.

Yep - so still struggling with how the arm in the face from the 'charge down' last week was deemed nothing as it was 'accidental' - didn't think intent counted, just outcome?

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:47

Castres up against Exeter now...

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:48

True that Heaf. Different ref I suppose.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:52

And therein lies the problem - how can a ref see a player get an arm in the mush from another player's reckless play (I don't doubt it wasn't deliberate) and decide it's fine?

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:55

Indeed, consistency would be good.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:57

I also wonder if the same incident had happened today at Thomond Park with the teams reversed whether the same ref would have made the same decision ...

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:59

The million dollar question...

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:00

what is Cips supposed to? To be honest this type of situation has been coming for a while now in rugby. At least now World rugby will be forced to act, this can't continue

by Artful_Dodger Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:03

Who got the red in the Exeter Castres game?

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:04

Castres have had one carded too for the same thing - although it looked more aggressive.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:04

Beat me to it Artful!

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:04

Not sure who though.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:07

LeinsterFan4life wrote:what is Cips supposed to? To be honest this type of situation has been coming for a while now in rugby. At least now World rugby will be forced to act, this can't continue

Cips should have attempted to dip into the contact. Standing up and dropping a shoulder in as the supporting player was lazy and as soon as he made contact with the head he was in trouble. It's good for him to because his tackle technique was awful and resulted in him taking a clout to the head as well.

Twelvetrees perhaps lucky the ref missed his tackle though the player was ducking at the time which he clearly wasn't anticipating. Will Spencer will tell him that can't be used as an excuse.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:08

stub wrote:The million dollar question...

I think I know the answer Smile

Same question re the last phases of play including that last scrum when Chiefs drove straight over Munster ...

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:09

Artful - it was the Castres 8 - Maama Vaipulu.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:09

Heaf - yes, think I know too!

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:13

formerly known as Sam wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:what is Cips supposed to? To be honest this type of situation has been coming for a while now in rugby. At least now World rugby will be forced to act, this can't continue

Cips should have attempted to dip into the contact. Standing up and dropping a shoulder in as the supporting player was lazy and as soon as he made contact with the head he was in trouble. It's good for him to because his tackle technique was awful and resulted in him taking a clout to the head as well.

Twelvetrees perhaps lucky the ref missed his tackle though the player was ducking at the time which he clearly wasn't anticipating. Will Spencer will tell him that can't be used as an excuse.

It's easy sitting here and saying what they should and shouldn't do. Scanell is going into contact at a million miles per hour there, there isn't much time to react. There was no force in Cips tackle, if anything he was backing up.

by Artful_Dodger Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:52

Castres win despite a red card before half time.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 14:59

Looked like a good match in France. Uphill battle for Exeter now.

by marty2086 Sat 20 Oct 2018, 15:05

stub wrote:Looked like a good match in France. Uphill battle for Exeter now.

Exeter always seem a bit more fragile in Europe, Kvesic was it slipped off the tackle on Mafi a little too easy for his try

by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Oct 2018, 15:05

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:what is Cips supposed to? To be honest this type of situation has been coming for a while now in rugby. At least now World rugby will be forced to act, this can't continue

Cips should have attempted to dip into the contact. Standing up and dropping a shoulder in as the supporting player was lazy and as soon as he made contact with the head he was in trouble. It's good for him to because his tackle technique was awful and resulted in him taking a clout to the head as well.

Twelvetrees perhaps lucky the ref missed his tackle though the player was ducking at the time which he clearly wasn't anticipating. Will Spencer will tell him that can't be used as an excuse.
It's easy sitting here and saying what they should and shouldn't do. Scanell is going into contact at a million miles per hour there, there isn't much time to react. There was no force in Cips tackle, if anything he was backing up.

There was some force but not a great deal. It's a lazy dip of the shoulder by a supporting tackler. It is easy sitting here and watching but it's also where I used to like defending when I play. As a midfield defender you have to dip ideally so your shoulder is hitting the mid point of the ball when the opposition are carrying hard and up right.

I watched the last 15 of the Castres Vs Chiefs game and there was a plethora of very obvious seat belt tackles that were completely ignored. I was baffled until I recognised the ref as John Lacey.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 15:12

Chiefs have been unlucky with the officials both weeks ...

by **LondonTiger** Sat 20 Oct 2018, 16:10

Chiefs had plenty of chances to make officials decisions irrelevant. They blew that big time.

In the later game, Wasps are managing to make Bath look good!

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 16:25

Maybe - but I don't subscribe to the view that teams should have to beat the other team despite the officials ...

by Brendan Sat 20 Oct 2018, 16:35

If Exeter want to be one of the big boys they win those matches. Playing against 14 men for a half should have been enough.

Bath if they win today will just make the defeat last week worse.

It's nice to see more good close games this week. One of the best first two rounds in a while where it's hard to say who is going to finish where in the group. Apart from Leinster & Sarries, ruining it for the rest of us.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 17:02

Think Bath will also be cheesed off that two Toulouse players that should have had red cards against them will be banned when playing other teams in the group but will be back for their return match.

Something wrong with a system when the team offended against get no benefit but their competitors in the group do - not sure how to fix that one.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 17:05

I agree Chiefs really should have been able to win today - I think they were more hard done by against Munster.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Oct 2018, 17:34

Heaf wrote:I agree Chiefs really should have been able to win today - I think they were more hard done by against Munster.

They are missing something. Whether that is the explosive Sam Simmonds off the base or the combative Johnny Hill I don't know. Second week in a row where I've wondered whether their halfbacks are really controlling the game to the same level as some of their contemporaries.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 17:42

We didn’t even get an English club win from the Wasps v Bath match!

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 17:46

Nice try from Maro there - he’s quite fast.

by Heaf Sat 20 Oct 2018, 17:48

Tigers won last night though Smile

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 17:51

They did, and it was great to see.

Sarries going well now.

by Artful_Dodger Sat 20 Oct 2018, 18:08

Ulster paid a very heavy price for that dropped ball.

by stub Sat 20 Oct 2018, 18:14

Did it cost a try?

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