Glasgow and Edinburgh 21st Century Banter

by **BigGee** Tue 23 Oct 2018, 9:05 am

First topic message reminder :

Something is going on this year

Both Glasgow and Edinburgh are playing quite well!

Is it a dream, am I imagining it, am I going to wake up in a cold sweat and find out that we are really cr*p again?

Someone please reassure me!!

by **RDW** Sat 26 Jan 2019, 7:38 am

Just some teething troubles in the handover from Hero to me (although I may have pood myself a little when it happened!)

by tigertattie Sat 26 Jan 2019, 9:43 am

RDW’s new role

Day 1. Broke website

by **RDW** Sat 26 Jan 2019, 9:45 am

Fair.

by **George Carlin** Sat 26 Jan 2019, 10:19 am

tigertattie wrote:
Eejit wrote:
RDW wrote:https://www.606v2.com/t68364-edinburgh-v-southern-kings#3771982

Kings by 20.

Congrats Gee. Good to see some noble Glasgow mods against the tyranny of creeping luvviedom

Well our Mod can't show favourtisim any more so we basically dont have one.

You have two now, well, if you can count GC that is!!!

I count me.

by **RDW** Sat 26 Jan 2019, 10:21 am

Look who has had a promotion!

by **George Carlin** Sat 26 Jan 2019, 10:23 am

RDW wrote:Look who has had a promotion!

by jimbopip Sat 26 Jan 2019, 11:06 am

So everybody is getting promoted Yahoo

So everybody laughs at the idea of Jimbo getting promoted. Erm

Two thoughts;

Gore Vidal, "Everytime a friend succeeds I die a little"

Shylock (Merchant Of Venice) , " If you cut me do I not bleed? Am I not cold in summer, warm in winter?"

But apart from that.... I'm fine with it all. Hug

by Eejit Sat 26 Jan 2019, 5:13 pm

Well, Munster winning means the leapfrog us to go top again which is a shame.

Glasgow win a tough game this weekend while Edinburgh manage to fluff it somehow to ensure that normal service has resumed.

by **BigGee** Sat 26 Jan 2019, 5:33 pm

Yes it would appear that Edinburgh are not quite the finished article yet!

by Eejit Sat 26 Jan 2019, 5:40 pm

BigGee wrote:Yes it would appear that Edinburgh are not quite the finished article yet!

They've got a front row certainly, but they sort of need 12 other players behind them! Naturally they lucked out in getting an easy champions cup group and fluked a couple of wins against Scotland's premier professional rugby team and they started to believe their own hype!

If some luvvie posters go into hiding as Tattie put it after 1872, we Glasgow fans completely understand and we absolutely won't mock you. kiss

by jimbopip Sat 26 Jan 2019, 6:28 pm

No, no. Not at all. Two fluffed restarts then not closing down the Kings when they restart. Could happen to anyone. Whistle

by **BigGee** Sat 26 Jan 2019, 6:36 pm

Where is Tattie anyway?

You would have thought he would have had something to say about this stirring performance!

by tigertattie Sat 26 Jan 2019, 11:47 pm

Tattie is watching the 7s team fluff a restart

by tigertattie Sat 26 Jan 2019, 11:50 pm

3 mins. 3 tries down.

Utterly guff from the 7s Boys. Even worse than Edinburgh. And that’s saying something

by Eejit Sun 27 Jan 2019, 12:02 am

tigertattie wrote:3 mins. 3 tries down.

Utterly guff from the 7s Boys. Even worse than Edinburgh. And that’s saying something

Have some Oreos.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Jan 2019, 12:04 am

Fought back but indiscipline and a rotten start cost us.

Now it’s off to bed

by **RDW** Sun 27 Jan 2019, 9:07 am

They ended up finishing the tournament well, beating Australia and Samoa to finish a very respectable 5th. Usually once we lose our knock out game we implode and lose the rest of the games that day.

Robbie Ferguson was highlighted for praise.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Jan 2019, 9:37 am

Young mcfarlane has a future that’s for sure. I’d get him to Glasgow with a view to bringing him on for DTH

by Geordie Sun 27 Jan 2019, 10:17 am

How on earth was that try for The Kings allowed...that offload was so blatantly forward.

by **RDW** Sun 27 Jan 2019, 10:19 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:How on earth was that try for The Kings allowed...that offload was so blatantly forward.

Add it to the very long lost of abysmal decisions. I've never seen such condemnation of a ref's performance from across the board, not just Edinburgh fans!

by **RDW** Sun 27 Jan 2019, 10:26 am

Penalties:

Kings 18, Edinburgh 6

Yellow cards:

Kings 1, Edinburgh 1

by Geordie Sun 27 Jan 2019, 10:38 am

Wow that's not good ....

But then with my experience of games at Kingston park I think the standards of refereeing and consistency is appalling.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Jan 2019, 5:56 pm

Reffing is an issue in all sports.

Anyone see the American footy last week? As blatant an early hit as you’ll see and nothing penalised. Cost them the game. Fans have started a petition to have the game replayed.

You’ve got to say, when something like that is missed and it’s such an important thing, you’ve got to wonder if the right thing for the game would be to replay it. Mind you that could open up a bag of worms where the largest supported teams get an advantage

by 123456789. Sun 27 Jan 2019, 8:48 pm

No wonder really that reffing is poor across the board. No one grows up wanting to be a ref. Anyone any good who enjoys playing carries on playing. It is also really bloody difficult, especially when it comes to rugby. It is a really complicated game and only becoming more so. Every year World Rugby reintroduces new rules. The worst refs I ever had were ones who took the game up late and were helpless at playing. One insisted on walking through the post game tunnel and taking the applause of both teams. Thing is, both teams had already told him he was useless. Completely against the spirit of the game but after playing in horrid conditions for about 20 minutes longer than we should have done in a game totally ruined it was difficult to remain composed.

by **RDW** Mon 28 Jan 2019, 9:41 am

https://www.606v2.com/t68373-the-future-of-the-rugby-forum

by **BigGee** Mon 28 Jan 2019, 2:41 pm

Andrew Davidson comes back to Glasgow on a 2 year contract from Newcastle.

He seems to have developed well down there and comes back as a pretty physical specimen who can also play in the open mobile way that Glasgow love. By the sounds of it the Falcons are sad to lose him.

At his age and with his potential, it is a really good bit of business.

by jimbopip Mon 28 Jan 2019, 6:52 pm

Agree with all that Gee The Mod. I wonder if he's a replacement for naughty Boy ….or for Ickle Jonny.

by **RDW** Mon 28 Jan 2019, 10:36 pm

Apparently Dunbar is heading to Newcastle on loan until the end of the season!

His contract is up too - can't imagine he'll be getting another one.

by **George Carlin** Tue 29 Jan 2019, 5:26 am

jimbopip wrote:Agree with all that Gee The Mod.

I also imagine that this is what Gee looks like now:

Glasgow and Edinburgh 21st Century Banter - Page 14 Mod10

by Geordie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 8:45 am

RDW wrote:Apparently Dunbar is heading to Newcastle on loan until the end of the season!

His contract is up too - can't imagine he'll be getting another one.

Whats your thoughts?

by Eejit Tue 29 Jan 2019, 9:07 am

Probably a good move for Dunbar, Newcastle and for Glasgow I think. McDowall, Johnson, Jones, Grigg and Pete Horne are ahead of him in the pecking order these days and the injuries have really plagued him.

Great opportunity for him to get some gametime in his legs and hopefully stay injury free as he may yet still have a part to play for Scotland.

by tigertattie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 9:14 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:
RDW wrote:Apparently Dunbar is heading to Newcastle on loan until the end of the season!

His contract is up too - can't imagine he'll be getting another one.

Whats your thoughts?

Call me a pragmatist but this is very much 50/50. If Dunbar (who is only 28) can stay injury free and get a run of form, he'd be an excellent centre for Newcastle. Currently though he's not managing to string games together as his body seems to be giving out.

He is a big physical centre and very good defensively so would be suited for the English League. Hopefully the move puts the wind in his sails again.

by Geordie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 9:42 am

See if the Dean Richards effect can revitalise him for a season or two.

He's exactly the kind of centre we're crying out for. Along side Johnny Williams would be a very balanced midfield...if he can get fit.

by tigertattie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 10:27 am

To be honest, I'd love it if he could form a great partnership with Chris Harris to give us another centre partnership option as Harris still seems to be in Townsends thoughts.

by **LondonTiger** Tue 29 Jan 2019, 11:19 am

There was a Scotsman, an Englishman, an Italian and a South African. And if that sounds like the start of a joke, no one who cares for rugby in Scotland should find the scenario remotely funny.

For there, in a nutshell, you have the birth nationalities of the four props who represented Edinburgh in their Guinness Pro14 clash with Southern Kings last weekend. And if the presence of that one Scot — Murray McCallum — offers some hope that the country can still turn out the odd half-decent fatty, it ought to be remembered that McCallum is only the club’s third-choice tight-head at the moment.

The players ahead of him are W P Nel, who was born and raised in South Africa, and Simon Berghan, who drew his first breath in Christchurch, New Zealand, both of whom were unavailable due to their commitments with, er, Scotland. At Glasgow, meanwhile, the starting props for most of this season have been the South African Oli Kebble and the Tongan Siosiua Halanukonuka.

In the country that produced such front-row legends as Hugh McLeod, Ian McLauchlan, Iain Milne, David Sole, Tom Smith and Euan Murray, it is a dismal state of affairs. With respect to those players, Scotland has never been a propping powerhouse, but at most points in history it has usually managed to offer up a couple who could do a decent job for their country. On Saturday, though, Stuart McInally, the Scotland (and Scotland-born) hooker, will pack down against Italy between the ample forms of two South Africans, Nel and Allan Dell.

start of an article by the Scottish Rugby Correspondent in the Times. Is the situation really as bad as he intimates?

by tigertattie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 11:26 am

LondonTiger wrote:
There was a Scotsman, an Englishman, an Italian and a South African. And if that sounds like the start of a joke, no one who cares for rugby in Scotland should find the scenario remotely funny.

For there, in a nutshell, you have the birth nationalities of the four props who represented Edinburgh in their Guinness Pro14 clash with Southern Kings last weekend. And if the presence of that one Scot — Murray McCallum — offers some hope that the country can still turn out the odd half-decent fatty, it ought to be remembered that McCallum is only the club’s third-choice tight-head at the moment.

The players ahead of him are W P Nel, who was born and raised in South Africa, and Simon Berghan, who drew his first breath in Christchurch, New Zealand, both of whom were unavailable due to their commitments with, er, Scotland. At Glasgow, meanwhile, the starting props for most of this season have been the South African Oli Kebble and the Tongan Siosiua Halanukonuka.

In the country that produced such front-row legends as Hugh McLeod, Ian McLauchlan, Iain Milne, David Sole, Tom Smith and Euan Murray, it is a dismal state of affairs. With respect to those players, Scotland has never been a propping powerhouse, but at most points in history it has usually managed to offer up a couple who could do a decent job for their country. On Saturday, though, Stuart McInally, the Scotland (and Scotland-born) hooker, will pack down against Italy between the ample forms of two South Africans, Nel and Allan Dell.

start of an article by the Scottish Rugby Correspondent in the Times. Is the situation really as bad as he intimates?

Nope.

We have plenty young props like MacCallum and Zander Fagerson. We also have old props like Jon Welsh and Gordie Reid. The issue is that the SRU have invested in bringing Berghan and Nel over and will want to see a return on that investment.

Scotland's biggest downfall is that we only have two pro teams and if the coaches there pick a South African Monster (Kebble and Shoeman) to start at loosehead, our native born props don't get a look in.

It's bad, but not quite as bad as this borderline racist article in the Times!

by Eejit Tue 29 Jan 2019, 11:28 am

tigertattie wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
There was a Scotsman, an Englishman, an Italian and a South African. And if that sounds like the start of a joke, no one who cares for rugby in Scotland should find the scenario remotely funny.

For there, in a nutshell, you have the birth nationalities of the four props who represented Edinburgh in their Guinness Pro14 clash with Southern Kings last weekend. And if the presence of that one Scot — Murray McCallum — offers some hope that the country can still turn out the odd half-decent fatty, it ought to be remembered that McCallum is only the club’s third-choice tight-head at the moment.

The players ahead of him are W P Nel, who was born and raised in South Africa, and Simon Berghan, who drew his first breath in Christchurch, New Zealand, both of whom were unavailable due to their commitments with, er, Scotland. At Glasgow, meanwhile, the starting props for most of this season have been the South African Oli Kebble and the Tongan Siosiua Halanukonuka.

In the country that produced such front-row legends as Hugh McLeod, Ian McLauchlan, Iain Milne, David Sole, Tom Smith and Euan Murray, it is a dismal state of affairs. With respect to those players, Scotland has never been a propping powerhouse, but at most points in history it has usually managed to offer up a couple who could do a decent job for their country. On Saturday, though, Stuart McInally, the Scotland (and Scotland-born) hooker, will pack down against Italy between the ample forms of two South Africans, Nel and Allan Dell.

start of an article by the Scottish Rugby Correspondent in the Times. Is the situation really as bad as he intimates?

Nope.

We have plenty young props like MacCallum and Zander Fagerson. We also have old props like Jon Welsh and Gordie Reid. The issue is that the SRU have invested in bringing Berghan and Nel over and will want to see a return on that investment.

Scotland's biggest downfall is that we only have two pro teams and if the coaches there pick a South African Monster (Kebble and Shoeman) to start at loosehead, our native born props don't get a look in.

It's bad, but not quite as bad as this borderline racist article in the Times!

Agree. Whomever wrote that article is a complete prick in my humble opinion.

by **LondonTiger** Tue 29 Jan 2019, 11:33 am

Writer was Alasdair Reid - also writes for the Herald.

Not sure who he was being racist about, his countrymen or the imports?

by Geordie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 12:25 pm

tigertattie wrote:To be honest, I'd love it if he could form a great partnership with Chris Harris to give us another centre partnership option as Harris still seems to be in Townsends thoughts.

Harris has been way below form for quite a while now. We're not seeing any of his breaks or much at all in attack actually.

by Geordie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 12:35 pm

I wouldn't say that article is racist in the least!!!

It pretty much sums up the state of rugby now. Players from all over the world representing other countries.

Ive moaned about this for years and generally been told to suck it up Geordie

by EWT Spoons Tue 29 Jan 2019, 1:04 pm

Not sure it's racist either, but it's an odd article given the time of year. With the 6 nations going on there are going to be players leaving to be away with the national team, so player who are not SQ will be played more frequently. Also Edinburgh still have Rory Sutherland who might have played were it not for injury.

Dell & Berghan, might not have been born in Scotland, but they are still qualified through family to play for Scotland.

Also the academies have only recently started to produce players, so will likely see some props in the future coming through. It famously takes a while for props to ready for pro rugby.

Oh and McCallum is only in his 2nd year as a pro (after signing his first contract in 2017) and is currently behind a player who would have been in with a shout of going with the lions were it not for injury and Berghan, who had brilliant campaign last season.

In short, I don't think it's racist, but nor to a I think there is a lot of value in it.

by tigertattie Tue 29 Jan 2019, 1:15 pm

"The players ahead of him are W P Nel, who was born and raised in South Africa, and Simon Berghan, who drew his first breath in Christchurch, New Zealand, both of whom were unavailable due to their commitments with, er, Scotland"

It's the "er" bit that bothered me. He is implying that Nel and Berghan should not be playing for Scotland.

The he goes on with:

"On Saturday, though, Stuart McInally, the Scotland (and Scotland-born) hooker, will pack down against Italy between the ample forms of two South Africans, Nel and Allan Dell.

He's now implying that if you are not "Scotland born" then you'll forever be "South African" or whatever country you were born in.

Maybe I need to take my own advice and just ignore him?

But then he also refered to us as "Fatties" which is also body shaming! He's a big poopie head! We're not fatties, we're just big boned!

by **RDW** Tue 29 Jan 2019, 1:33 pm

It is pretty lazy journalism - surprised it came from the times. Why focus on the Scottish front row when every other 6N team uses players born outside the country or qualified on residency as a matter of course?

Our Scottish born front row isn't that bad either:

1 Sutherland
2 McInally
3 Fagerson

Subs - Allan, Brown, McCallum

That would hold its own against most teams.

by **BigGee** Tue 29 Jan 2019, 1:38 pm

Edinburgh confirm Roddy Grant move to Ulster in a pretty terse statement. You get the distinct impression that they are not very happy about it.

I wonder if they will put him on gardening leave for the rest of the season?

by **NeilyBroon** Tue 29 Jan 2019, 3:41 pm

Why would they not be happy for him? Just goes to show how far the club has come that its homegrown coaches are now under demand. Presumably they'll get some financial boost from the euros this year so its hardly the end of the world. Good opportunity for another Scottish coach or cockers can bring quality from elsewhere.

by 123456789. Tue 29 Jan 2019, 4:20 pm

The coaching set up at Edinburgh has always intrigued me to an extent, Cockerill never struck me as the kind of guy who would be happy simply to inherit a coaching set up but that appears to have been what he's done. It could be that Grant doesn't get to do all that much coaching with Cockerill around and wants to test himself. He has also been at Edinburgh for over a decade now.

Dunbar moving seems a good decision; his career is petering out a bit. He's fallen to third or fourth in the Glasgow pecking order and even further in the Scottish one. It's a shame he's probably never been quite the same player since his ACL injury. There's two sides to that; one that the players around him have improved and he's probably gone backwards. Hopefully this move will rejuvenate him a bit. It's always good to have a few more Scottish players playing pro rugby. It does mean that Toonie was not planning on using him in the Six Nations. Newcastle are unlikely to have taken on the wage of a player who would be away for the best part of two months.

by **George Carlin** Tue 29 Jan 2019, 6:17 pm

Numbers, you cannot possibly have posted only 135 times.

What's going on with your account?

by 123456789. Tue 29 Jan 2019, 8:07 pm

Ah I created a variety of different passwords for my various email addresses etc. and retrieving the correct one when I changed laptop around a year ago meant adding the full stop to a new account was the easiest option

by Eejit Tue 29 Jan 2019, 9:46 pm

Forum admins should be able to manually reset that for you.

by Anglobraveheart Tue 29 Jan 2019, 11:11 pm

Dunbar moving on is disappointing, but may be the change that he needs to get himself out of this slump. IMO he is by far and away the best all round centre that we have had (when fit).
Grigg is too small and very inconsistent defensively. But, does run good lines.
Johnson is a good all rounder, and needs to stay fit. HJ needs to find some consistency and bring his international class into club games.
MacDowell is a future star and needs to be developed, but appears to be being sparingly used.
Horne is another all rounder but blows hot and cold.
If I had to choose 4 from 6, it would be AD, HJ, SM and SJ.
I just hope Dunbar finds his mojo again and returns to his fabulous all round Scotland form. His post tackle jackling is like having and additional openside in the team.

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