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They'd probably be quite alarmed if the wee racist c**t said it because he has a history of violence.    

The person who did say it has no history of violence and is a comedian who has made similar jokes in the past and who has no history of violence.

False equivalence.

".....is a comedian"

What does that do then?

A licence to incite hatred and violence whilst under the protective cloak of 'comic'.

These comics have a great gig - get to say what they like, get paid and don't get arrested/blacklisted for 'hate speech'

Maybe Robinson should do Stand Up to get his message across....hmmmmm

Yeah, I'm scratching my head too

Laughs for Brand on the BEEB, a milkshake for Farage (that Brand intimated might have been a more serious concoction had the protesters not wanted to look 'pathetic') and Farage is the one who supported the majority Referendum decision on Brexit and did so well in the European Elections.

Head scratcher.

Interesting to see Rory Stewart's joke of a leadership campaign being given full coverage by the mainstream media. The man would lead his party into electoral oblivion (one poll out today reckons Stewart leading the Tories at a GE would leave the Tories with a mere 51 MPs) and has little chance of winning over his own members, but the adulation from the established media is starting to reach a crescendo. Baffling stuff.

When you say it's a joke, is that the acceptable kind, or the unacceptable kind?

Don't knock him just yet, Duty.  This is the way these things can often work.

First pump Johnson full of air and suggest it's a runaway train for him.... (done) .... then keep directing glances at one of the 'no hopers'... (happening) ...... then allow the plethora of contenders to progressively drop out and 'surprisingly' throw their support behind the 'outsider', the guy or girl that wouldn't have any Ambition baggage of the past so could humbly unite the party for the good of the Nation!  

Trumpets and violins.... Stewart, 'surprise' low key candidates beats the Big Boris.

Oh and the mainstream media get to smirk: "We told you this boy might have wings.  We know our job.  We know what we're talking about.  Listen to us.  Trust our judgement".

Be careful Duty.  This Stewart could be already designated for the big job.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:When you say it's a joke, is that the acceptable kind, or the unacceptable kind?

The Brand kind - ambiguous.

Duty281 wrote:Interesting to see Rory Stewart's joke of a leadership campaign being given full coverage by the mainstream media. The man would lead his party into electoral oblivion (one poll out today reckons Stewart leading the Tories at a GE would leave the Tories with a mere 51 MPs) and has little chance of winning over his own members, but the adulation from the established media is starting to reach a crescendo. Baffling stuff.

Worried that a hard Brexiteer, who cares little for the country, but a lot for his cronies, might not get in?

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Interesting to see Rory Stewart's joke of a leadership campaign being given full coverage by the mainstream media. The man would lead his party into electoral oblivion (one poll out today reckons Stewart leading the Tories at a GE would leave the Tories with a mere 51 MPs) and has little chance of winning over his own members, but the adulation from the established media is starting to reach a crescendo. Baffling stuff.

Worried that a hard Brexiteer, who cares little for the country, but a lot for his cronies, might not get in?

I hope Stewart wins. Don't think he will. But I live in hope. Expect him to be knocked out very early on.

As long as it's not Boris, I'm somewhat happy.

Maybe the mainstream media are simply reflecting your mainstream views

Hmmmm...

What does "I want Anyone but Boris" mean?

I want anyone but Boris coz I think he'll ruin my party

Or

I want anyone but Boris coz I think he'll ruin my party


Which mainstream view is it?

Ipsos Mori...

Tory hopefuls vs Corbyn..

Johnson....39 - 33 Corbyn
Leadsom...34 - 27 Corbyn
Hunt...........34 - 30 Corbyn
Gove...........32 - 32 Corbyn

Considering May leads by 13 over Corbyn and the Tories trail in the polls..

Not much to get excited about..Labour's brand is much more popular than the Tory one....I imagine should Corbyn retire before the next GE..The Tories will be hammered.

Is David Lammy a racist? Discuss

Make sure to use references to Donald Trump (Presumed racist) and Jeremy Corbyn (presumed Anti-Semite) in the course of your answer.

Duty281 wrote:Interesting to see Rory Stewart's joke of a leadership campaign being given full coverage by the mainstream media. The man would lead his party into electoral oblivion (one poll out today reckons Stewart leading the Tories at a GE would leave the Tories with a mere 51 MPs) and has little chance of winning over his own members, but the adulation from the established media is starting to reach a crescendo. Baffling stuff.

I don't know why he's standing as an anti-Brexiter. Let the Brexiteer Tories own it, boom or bust. Big mistake and polluting his future chances. Should have kept well away until sometime in the future.

SecretFly wrote:Is David Lammy a racist?  Discuss

Make sure to use references to Donald Trump (Presumed racist) and Jeremy Corbyn (presumed Anti-Semite) in the course of your answer.

FFS! Is this something specific, and recent, you're asking this about? Or past comments? Maybe point us to the news/whatever you're referring to? It's not 'clever' to post comments with a (no doubt) knowing smirk the way you do. Don't suppose you'll ever change though...

navyblueshorts wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Interesting to see Rory Stewart's joke of a leadership campaign being given full coverage by the mainstream media. The man would lead his party into electoral oblivion (one poll out today reckons Stewart leading the Tories at a GE would leave the Tories with a mere 51 MPs) and has little chance of winning over his own members, but the adulation from the established media is starting to reach a crescendo. Baffling stuff.

I don't know why he's standing as an anti-Brexiter. Let the Brexiteer Tories own it, boom or bust. Big mistake and polluting his future chances. Should have kept well away until sometime in the future.

It's so he can say he tried. That's a much better position for a future bid than saying, 'well I knew no deal was a bad idea, but I sat on my hands.'

No name Bertie wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote: ... I don't think he is fit to be PM ...

It is said that the American political system is more democratic than the British political system - because in the British system no one directly votes for the Prime Minister - they only vote for their local MP.

But technically the president/executive is a role which we do not have in the UK. The PM does not, or rather should not, have the same degree of power

navyblueshorts wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Interesting to see Rory Stewart's joke of a leadership campaign being given full coverage by the mainstream media. The man would lead his party into electoral oblivion (one poll out today reckons Stewart leading the Tories at a GE would leave the Tories with a mere 51 MPs) and has little chance of winning over his own members, but the adulation from the established media is starting to reach a crescendo. Baffling stuff.

I don't know why he's standing as an anti-Brexiter. Let the Brexiteer Tories own it, boom or bust. Big mistake and polluting his future chances. Should have kept well away until sometime in the future.

The eternal problem with Brexit is that the Tories may well own it, but we are all going to pay for it.

From the outside looking in Brexit must seem hilarious. Not so funny on the inside.

Do you actually keep up with the news at all,  navy?

We all approach a political forum under something of the impression that contributors listen to or watch news - terrestrial or the oceans of online content.  We don't preface every post with a run down of the history of the world.  

Leave the question for those that might know what my specific reference is, then.  Don't worry yourself about something that doesn't worry you.
But you wouldn't be looking for 'specific' moments in time if Corbyn or Trump was the target, would you?  

Question remains for anyone who cares to contribute to the 'specific' question:  Is David Lammy a racist?

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote: ... I don't think he is fit to be PM ...

It is said that the American political system is more democratic than the British political system - because in the British system no one directly votes for the Prime Minister - they only vote for their local MP.

But technically the president/executive is a role which we do not have in the UK. The PM does not, or rather should not, have the same degree of power

Who should?

Who does?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Interesting to see Rory Stewart's joke of a leadership campaign being given full coverage by the mainstream media. The man would lead his party into electoral oblivion (one poll out today reckons Stewart leading the Tories at a GE would leave the Tories with a mere 51 MPs) and has little chance of winning over his own members, but the adulation from the established media is starting to reach a crescendo. Baffling stuff.

I don't know why he's standing as an anti-Brexiter. Let the Brexiteer Tories own it, boom or bust. Big mistake and polluting his future chances. Should have kept well away until sometime in the future.

It's so he can say he tried. That's a much better position for a future bid than saying, 'well I knew no deal was a bad idea, but I sat on my hands.'

Yeah, maybe. He probably knows he's got little chance of leading the Tories just now.

Tory Olympic Results

• Boris Johnson 114
• Jeremy Hunt 43
• Michael Gove 37
• Dominic Raab 27
• Sajid Javid 23
• Matt Hancock 20
• Rory Stewart 19

Eliminated:

• Mark Harper
• Andrea Leadsom
• Esther McVey

SecretFly wrote:Do you actually keep up with the news at all,  navy?

We all approach a political forum under something of the impression that contributors listen to or watch news - terrestrial or the oceans of online content.  We don't preface every post with a run down of the history of the world.  

Leave the question for those that might know what my specific reference is, then.  Don't worry yourself about something that doesn't worry you.
But you wouldn't be looking for 'specific' moments in time if Corbyn or Trump was the target, would you?  

Question remains for anyone who cares to contribute to the 'specific' question:  Is David Lammy a racist?

Yes, but you know, I have a day job and I also haven't the time to read all the schidt that's out there. Your questions are loaded as well, because you like playing game - I refuse to engage without the context in your case.

Re. your Corbyn/Trump remark, of course I'd be looking for the specific reference in order to reply. Don't be absurd. You're right in that I think both of them are useless, but on a specific issue I'd like to think I'd want to at least read about it before confirming my thinking that they're useless.

Fernando wrote:Tory Olympic Results

• Boris Johnson 114
• Jeremy Hunt 43
• Michael Gove 37
• Dominic Raab 27
• Sajid Javid 23
• Matt Hancock 20
• Rory Stewart 19

Eliminated:

• Mark Harper
• Andrea Leadsom
• Esther McVey

Not all bad then - that plank McVey is out at the first hurdle.

navyblueshorts wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Do you actually keep up with the news at all,  navy?

We all approach a political forum under something of the impression that contributors listen to or watch news - terrestrial or the oceans of online content.  We don't preface every post with a run down of the history of the world.  

Leave the question for those that might know what my specific reference is, then.  Don't worry yourself about something that doesn't worry you.
But you wouldn't be looking for 'specific' moments in time if Corbyn or Trump was the target, would you?  

Question remains for anyone who cares to contribute to the 'specific' question:  Is David Lammy a racist?

Yes, but you know, I have a day job and I also haven't the time to read all the schidt that's out there. Your questions are loaded as well, because you like playing game - I refuse to engage without the context in your case.

Re. your Corbyn/Trump remark, of course I'd be looking for the specific reference in order to reply. Don't be absurd. You're right in that I think both of them are useless, but on a specific issue I'd like to think I'd want to at least read about it before confirming my thinking that they're useless.

Hey everyone, what do you all think about that fairly obscure news item on the internet? Surely you've all seen it, otherwise you must be pretty lowbrow. I know what I think, not I'm not saying.

navyblueshorts wrote:
Yes, but you know, I have a day job and I also haven't the time to read all the schidt that's out there. Your questions are loaded as well, because you like playing game - I refuse to engage without the context in your case.

Re. your Corbyn/Trump remark, of course I'd be looking for the specific reference in order to reply. Don't be absurd. You're right in that I think both of them are useless, but on a specific issue I'd like to think I'd want to at least read about it before confirming my thinking that they're useless.

Day job or not...talking politics is best served by knowing something of the immediate issues and events of the day/week/month... and Lammy's recent pronouncements haven't taken place in an underground bunker.  They're known by the chattering masses....

And nope, there's been oodles of guff talked about Trump, Corby and other political figures on these Off Topic pages without the slightist requirements for specifics or indeed the slightest tolerance for counter-opinions.
It's politics after all - you can't very well be giving the enemy free ride.  Keep the pressure on!

So I keep the pressure on.  Is Lammy a racist?

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Hey everyone, what do you all think about that fairly obscure news item on the internet? Surely you've all seen it, otherwise you must be pretty lowbrow. I know what I think, not I'm not saying.

I understand, Julius.  The 'trap' I'm setting is that if you engaged in a debate on Lammy, that you might be 'tricked' into making an honest comment on Lammy, his words or his attitudes.  Can't be having people being 'tricked' into being honest in politics... reprehensible stuff!

BTW, just in case you're worried.  I think you're all a smart bunch of people who turn up here.  Very smart people.  I wouldn't waste much of my time fencing politically with a group of idiots.  It would be counterproductive.  You, the other 'Fly', Navy...some of the other guys that turn up on these pages from the to time...very sharp and smart men and know how to debate well

Well..... all except Luckless - he's an idiot!

I joke! I jest!  I do a Brand!  I know Luckless longer than any of the rest of you..a good man too.

Now.... I'm still who I am though.  That won't be changing its spots! - Is Lammy a racist?

You tell me.

I knew someone would do the Turnabout.

Nope. I asked the question.

Trump is a racist - allegedly.

Corbyn is an Anti-Semite - allegedly.

Is Lammy a racist? - allegedly

Clipped from the BBC live politics feed -

I'm somewhat surprised, but good that 606v2 will have some representation.

Wrong Representative though!!!!!

Ain't that lad a Leaver?

He'll bring nothing but shame to the Hallowed Halls of this Establishment.

JuliusHMarx wrote:Clipped from the BBC live politics feed -

I'm somewhat surprised, but good that 606v2 will have some representation.

The greatest honour to serve.

navyblueshorts wrote:

Fernando wrote:Tory Olympic Results

• Boris Johnson 114
• Jeremy Hunt 43
• Michael Gove 37
• Dominic Raab 27
• Sajid Javid 23
• Matt Hancock 20
• Rory Stewart 19

Eliminated:

• Mark Harper
• Andrea Leadsom
• Esther McVey

Not all bad then - that plank McVey is out at the first hurdle.

That little portrait of Thatcher didn't do her much good, did it?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Fernando wrote:Tory Olympic Results

• Boris Johnson 114
• Jeremy Hunt 43
• Michael Gove 37
• Dominic Raab 27
• Sajid Javid 23
• Matt Hancock 20
• Rory Stewart 19

Eliminated:

• Mark Harper
• Andrea Leadsom
• Esther McVey

Not all bad then - that plank McVey is out at the first hurdle.

That little portrait of Thatcher didn't do her much good, did it?

Nope. Damned shame.

I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can. But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations), where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Chuka Umunna's joined the Lib Dems. Just in time to stand for that party's leadership election, perhaps? And all this just two years after scathing criticism of the Lib Dems.

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:

No name Bertie wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:

He's right though.

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:

He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts".  Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.

No name Bertie wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:

He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts".  Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.

If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:

He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts".  Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.

If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.

It is just meaningless assertion:  xxx are c**ts.  Big deal.  This is not grown up talk.  It is laddish talk - I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people.

Personally, I think c**t is a perfectly acceptable way to describe someone who is in a party that is literally killing disabled people while its prospective leaders are banding about ideas such as tax cuts for the rich and cutting the abortion term limit to a point where most foetal abnormalities (including fatal ones) cant be detected.

The latter one was a former Health Secretary btw, and his name brillaint rhymes with c**t. Its almost poetic.

No name Bertie wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:

He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts".  Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.

If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.

It is just meaningless assertion:  xxx are c**ts.  Big deal.  This is not grown up talk.  It is laddish talk - I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people.

Yeah they do!

No name Bertie wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can.  But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.  

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations),  where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts

Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:

He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts".  Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.

If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.

It is just meaningless assertion:  xxx are c**ts.  Big deal.  This is not grown up talk.  It is laddish talk - I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people.

Ah yes. Your pomposity is showing through well today. Let's move on shall we?

Chuka Umunna is an example of a politician who's given disproportionate airtime for their status/achievements. Years ago some folk in the media described him as a 'British Barack Obama' when he'd only been MP for a couple of years and had hardly done anything. Yes, he served as Shadow Business Secretary under Ed Miliband where I recall he did OK, but nothing spectacular.

He has a status as a 'big beast' but isn't really - yes, he's got good recognition and gets a lot of airtime but his standing as a politician is not in the same league as say Yvette Cooper or Hilary Benn who have more substance and gravitas in comparison to the hot air of Chuka.

I understand why the Lib Dems have welcomed him - despite the above I acknowledge he's a good communicator on Brexit, but they need to be wary of him and should at least let him bide his time in the party before giving him a big position and/or opportunity in winnable seat like Richmond.

And finally!  (The little humourous bit at the end of the important serious news)....

The UK's Advertising Watchdog has blanket censored the creative freedom of highly skilled advertising artists (writers, cinematographers, directors, actors).  They now must curtail their unique creative energies and gifts to comply with State Propaganda Directives.  The UK Advertising Watchdog is pleased by the compliance shown by advertisers who would suffer strict sanctions and/or penalties if they resisted Creativity Suppression.

Next will come Movies and Books to be cleansed of personal artistic creativity.  
The Advertising Watchdog reminds the public not to call it a Communist/Socialist Free Expresion Suppression Branch of Government.  Any such suggestion will be met with the full force of the State and will be considered Hate Speech.

yeah, I love the funny little bits that we're all meant to laugh at and think:  "Aw, isn't that lovely"

MrInvisible wrote:Chuka Umunna is an example of a politician who's given disproportionate airtime for their status/achievements.  Years ago some folk in the media described him as a 'British Barack Obama' when he'd only been MP for a couple of years and had hardly done anything.  Yes, he served as Shadow Business Secretary under Ed Miliband where I recall he did OK, but nothing spectacular.

He has a status as a 'big beast' but isn't really - yes, he's got good recognition and gets a lot of airtime but his standing as a politician is not in the same league as say Yvette Cooper or Hilary Benn who have more substance and gravitas in comparison to the hot air of Chuka.

I understand why the Lib Dems have welcomed him - despite the above I acknowledge he's a good communicator on Brexit, but they need to be wary of him and should at least let him bide his time in the party before giving him a big position and/or opportunity in winnable seat like Richmond.

He's all image.. just like Obama.  Try looking up how Obama managed to get into the White House and indeed pick up a laughable Nobel Peace Prize virtually on the podium as he was sworn in, and you'll see it was all spin and image.

Chaka looks good in a suit.  Politicians and others know they can spin him further up the public profile pretty damn quick.  That's why a party he insulted welcome him with open arms.  Nobody cares - he's an image that has charisma...they can work on it.

Chuka's just a lightweight politician, useless without a party machine behind him. Reminds me a bit of Blair/Cameron in that he'll likely do anything, and say anything, to advance himself in the political world. But, unlike Blair or Cameron, he has virtually no political ability to speak of.