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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 23 Nov 2018, 12:39 pm

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 10 May 2019, 12:39 pm

I’d suspect Peterborough to be very good ground for the Brexit party. If you’ve never visited, well, don’t.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 11 May 2019, 10:08 pm

Westminster voting intention (Comres):

LAB: 27% (-6) BREX: 20% (+6) CON: 19% (-4) LDEM: 14% (+7) CHUK: 7% (-2) GRN: 5% (+2)
UKIP: 3% (-2)

Blimey. Apparently the lowest combined vote share ever recorded by the two main parties.

Meanwhile, the Brexit Party are two points ahead of Labour in one poll, and thirteen points ahead in another, for the European Elections.

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Post by Pr4wn Sun 12 May 2019, 1:53 am

A party with no policies is polling second. This is what British democracy has become.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 12 May 2019, 9:32 am

Probably demonstrates the contempt which the main two parties are held in, more than any actual love for the Brexit Party.

Also highlights the awful FPTP system - according to that polling company, if such a set of results were to happen, the Brexit Party would still have around 130 fewer seats than the Tories, despite recording more votes.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 12 May 2019, 9:59 am

Comres gives Labour a majority...

While since a poll has given Labour one of those..

Probably the kind of contempt they want..

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Post by Pr4wn Sun 12 May 2019, 10:08 am

Duty281 wrote:Probably demonstrates the contempt which the main two parties are held in, more than any actual love for the Brexit Party.

Also highlights the awful FPTP system - according to that polling company, if such a set of results were to happen, the Brexit Party would still have around 130 fewer seats than the Tories, despite recording more votes.

There are other options. But no other options have a BBC mouthpiece working for them like Farage does.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 14 May 2019, 7:20 pm

Johnson has 50 Mp supporters already apparently....

In a race with 5 or 6 candidates...Where offering sugar to those behind you rolls..

Getting hard to see anyone else taking over from May..

Even Hunt is making no deal noises..

Johnson is the one to beat.

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Post by Duty281 Tue 21 May 2019, 9:12 am

Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Righty'o, I think it's time to make one heap of all your winnings, and risk it on the 4/9 still available that the Brexit Party win the European Elections.

Got on just in time it seems - best price available now is 1/6. 1/16 at most places. Bookmakers think it's a done deal.

And they're making the Brexit Party odds-on favourites for the Peterborough by-election.

Tommy Robinson 7/4 to get elected. Bit of a bargain as he's got a 50-50 chance. 9% of the vote and he's probably in.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Tue 21 May 2019, 9:33 am

Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Righty'o, I think it's time to make one heap of all your winnings, and risk it on the 4/9 still available that the Brexit Party win the European Elections.

Got on just in time it seems - best price available now is 1/6. 1/16 at most places. Bookmakers think it's a done deal.

And they're making the Brexit Party odds-on favourites for the Peterborough by-election.

Tommy Robinson 7/4 to get elected. Bit of a bargain as he's got a 50-50 chance. 9% of the vote and he's probably in.

It would certainly be a shameful day for this country if he were elected.

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Post by navyblueshorts Tue 21 May 2019, 9:35 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Righty'o, I think it's time to make one heap of all your winnings, and risk it on the 4/9 still available that the Brexit Party win the European Elections.

Got on just in time it seems - best price available now is 1/6. 1/16 at most places. Bookmakers think it's a done deal.

And they're making the Brexit Party odds-on favourites for the Peterborough by-election.

Tommy Robinson 7/4 to get elected. Bit of a bargain as he's got a 50-50 chance. 9% of the vote and he's probably in.

It would certainly be a shameful day for this country if he were elected.
Tend to agree, but that's democracy and we get what we deserve. If it's a piece of filth like Robinson, it's telling us a lot about our politics and Country. Not quite so 'civilised' as we thought, eh?
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Post by JuliusHMarx Tue 21 May 2019, 9:41 am

I never really thought we were. Racism, intolerance, xenophobia, hatred - they've always been around and always will. At times they are more celebrated than others, especially when a few public figures are adept at stoking them up.

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Post by Duty281 Tue 21 May 2019, 9:49 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Righty'o, I think it's time to make one heap of all your winnings, and risk it on the 4/9 still available that the Brexit Party win the European Elections.

Got on just in time it seems - best price available now is 1/6. 1/16 at most places. Bookmakers think it's a done deal.

And they're making the Brexit Party odds-on favourites for the Peterborough by-election.

Tommy Robinson 7/4 to get elected. Bit of a bargain as he's got a 50-50 chance. 9% of the vote and he's probably in.

It would certainly be a shameful day for this country if he were elected.

Such is the PR system. The overwhelming majority of people disagree with Robinson, but a tiny minority could give him a seat in the North West at the expense of the Tory party.

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Post by lostinwales Tue 21 May 2019, 12:40 pm

I don't know what has happened about it but I believe there is some kind of regulation about not being able to stand for election if you have spent more than a given time in jail. There was a suggestion that this might well apply to Tommy face paint.

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Post by Duty281 Tue 21 May 2019, 3:46 pm

BREAKING: News just announced at Brexit Party candidate meeting that the Electoral Commission has found no evidence of any impropriety with our funding system.

Lolz. The totally competent and totally neutral Electoral Commission wasted about six hours on that.

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Post by Pr4wn Tue 21 May 2019, 4:39 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/21/eu-investigate-nigel-farage-failure-declare-expenses-arron-banks

"Lolz".

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed 22 May 2019, 12:58 am

I thought there was also actual evidence Farage’s lot were receiving donations from abroad?

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Post by Duty281 Wed 22 May 2019, 9:39 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I thought there was also actual evidence Farage’s lot were receiving donations from abroad?

Anything under £500 isn't classed as a donation by the Electoral Commission. Anything over £500 would need to be returned within 30 days if it does arrive from abroad. I guess the Electoral Commission, having done two thorough investigations, are satisfied with how the Brexit Party are conducting it.

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Post by lostinwales Wed 22 May 2019, 9:52 am

Duty281 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I thought there was also actual evidence Farage’s lot were receiving donations from abroad?

Anything under £500 isn't classed as a donation by the Electoral Commission. Anything over £500 would need to be returned within 30 days if it does arrive from abroad. I guess the Electoral Commission, having done two thorough investigations, are satisfied with how the Brexit Party are conducting it.

May well fit the letter of the law but it does stink, right down to the 'advisors' who have helped organize the funding. It would be interesting to see if there are any donations large enough to be registered, and if not why not.

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Post by Duty281 Wed 22 May 2019, 9:58 am

lostinwales wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I thought there was also actual evidence Farage’s lot were receiving donations from abroad?

Anything under £500 isn't classed as a donation by the Electoral Commission. Anything over £500 would need to be returned within 30 days if it does arrive from abroad. I guess the Electoral Commission, having done two thorough investigations, are satisfied with how the Brexit Party are conducting it.

May well fit the letter of the law but it does stink, right down to the 'advisors' who have helped organize the funding. It would be interesting to see if there are any donations large enough to be registered, and if not why not.

It's how most political parties/campaigns work nowadays (another reason for why I think the Electoral Commission needs an overhaul) with donations being accepted by PayPal.

There have been some donations above the threshold which will be declared and put on the Electoral Commission's website.

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Post by Duty281 Wed 22 May 2019, 10:12 am

Polling update - Brexit Party have a 10% lead with Comres, 18% lead with YouGov and a 21% lead with Opinium. Tories as low down as 7% with one company. Lib Dems are either in 2nd place, pretty close to Labour's 2nd place, or nowhere near Labour's 2nd place, depending on which poll you believe!

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Post by Samo Wed 22 May 2019, 12:23 pm

Interesting to see an anti EU party doing do well in the EU elections, although historically their the only elections they do well in because of the PR system. I dont think these elections will hold nearly as much weight as people seem to think they will, although if the spin causes more people to turn out then thats always a plus.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 22 May 2019, 12:36 pm

The worst thing about Farage is that he's still encouraging people to think that Brexit is easy, and that everything that follows it will be easy. That's going to leave us with millions of people angry that this easy thing hasn't been done. It's dishonest and it's dangerous. The Brexit Party polling well doesn't change the parliamentary arithmetic at Westminster one iota.

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Post by lostinwales Wed 22 May 2019, 1:25 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:The worst thing about Farage is that he's still encouraging people to think that Brexit is easy, and that everything that follows it will be easy. That's going to leave us with millions of people angry that this easy thing hasn't been done. It's dishonest and it's dangerous. The Brexit Party polling well doesn't change the parliamentary arithmetic at Westminster one iota.

Yes - and all the while the base of both main parties is increasingly hollowed out leaving just the die hard Corbynites on one side and god knows what still supporting the Tories, and who knows what either will push for.

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Post by Samo Wed 22 May 2019, 3:49 pm

Cabinet ministers plotting a coup, May could be gone as early as tonight.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 22 May 2019, 3:58 pm

I almost feel sorry for the Tory MEPs who'll lose their seats. Almost.

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Post by Duty281 Wed 22 May 2019, 4:29 pm

Apparently Monday is the likeliest time for her exit, because that'll be the day that the full extent of the Tory defeat in the European Elections will be known.

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Post by lostinwales Wed 22 May 2019, 4:38 pm

Who will be the next challenger for the UK's very own live action version of GoT?

Generally there is a lot less killing and nudity but the current throne has one sword sticking straight up through the seat labelled 'Brexit'

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 22 May 2019, 4:42 pm

The problem is that it doesn't make much of a difference who they choose, unless that person is prepared to call a general election.

There isn't a majority for anything in parliament. The solution is a new parliament.

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Post by Samo Wed 22 May 2019, 7:26 pm

Duty281 wrote:BREAKING: News just announced at Brexit Party candidate meeting that the Electoral Commission has found no evidence of any impropriety with our funding system.

Lolz. The totally competent and totally neutral Electoral Commission wasted about six hours on that.

Turns out the Brexit Party may have jumped the gun, as the electoral commision have just released a statement saying the investigation is “ongoing”.

But, in a statement, the watchdog said seeking small sums via online donations “opens up additional risk in relation to compliance with UK political finance law”.

“This risk is that it increases the potential for individuals or organisations to evade the permissibility rules, which primarily seek to prevent significant sums entering UK politics from overseas,” it explained.

The commission stressed that it was the Brexit Party’s “responsibility” to “ensure it has the systems in place to maintain its compliance with the law”.

“Our review of the systems in operation by the Brexit Party is ongoing,” it added.

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Post by Samo Wed 22 May 2019, 7:39 pm

Andrea Leadsom has resigned from government. It begins.

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Post by superflyweight Wed 22 May 2019, 8:00 pm

Samo wrote:Andrea Leadsom has resigned from government. It begins.

Andrea Leadsom appearing in her human form foretold the looming apocalypse.

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Post by Duty281 Wed 22 May 2019, 10:22 pm

So the final polls (thanks to Britain Elects). Quite a lot of variance for the Labour Party and the Brexit Party.

Spoiler:

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 23 May 2019, 9:53 am

The Kantar TNS projection is for Ukip to lose its 24 seats, and the Brexit Party to gain 24 seats, so a straight swap - or not much of a swap at all.

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Post by Duty281 Thu 23 May 2019, 10:32 am

Well we won't have to wait long to see which polling company was the closest, and which ones were way off the mark.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 23 May 2019, 10:54 am

Yep. The Tories will have the stage all to themselves until then!

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Post by Pr4wn Thu 23 May 2019, 11:25 am

Samo wrote:Andrea Leadsom has resigned from government. It begins.

Leadsom voted for May's deal three times and has now completely changed her mind and resigned over it now that there appears to be a leadership tussle on the horizon.

She's the same as the other Brexiter MPs, she only gives a toss about herself and her own career. Country be damned.

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Post by Duty281 Thu 23 May 2019, 12:06 pm

Duty281 wrote:So the final polls (thanks to Britain Elects). Quite a lot of variance for the Labour Party and the Brexit Party.

Spoiler:

Ipsos Mori have come out with a new one right at the last knockings - BP 35%; LD 20%; Lab 15%; Green 10%; Tory 9%; Change 3%; UKIP 3%.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 24 May 2019, 10:15 am

Theresa resigns.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri 24 May 2019, 10:19 am

Up to someone else to unite the country for the next generation. Something hard Brexit won't do, so her word 'compromise' will be needed by the next PM, if they are to last any longer than her.

Will the new PM now negotiate a new deal with the EU?

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Post by Pr4wn Fri 24 May 2019, 10:33 am

The EU have stated ad nauseam that this is the best and only deal on offer.

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Post by navyblueshorts Fri 24 May 2019, 10:47 am

Unite the Country? God, that's funny. It'll take a long time for this to become just a footnote in history. This Brexit sh!te will corrode our politics for years.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 24 May 2019, 10:55 am

Time for BoJo

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Post by tigertattie Fri 24 May 2019, 10:57 am

Congratuations folks. All the faffing about with brexit, all the moaning about Mrs May, all the backstabbing, all the other parties not being able to compromise, all the tory party not being able to compromise.

What next. I'll tell you. Here comes Boris

You think we are wading through excrement without wellies now, wait till he starts spreading manure about the place!
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Post by Duty281 Fri 24 May 2019, 11:04 am

Favourites rarely (if ever) win in Tory leadership contests so it's not a done deal just yet. People thought Boris was a sure thing after Cameron resigned, as well.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 24 May 2019, 11:22 am

To be fair, Boris’s PR and his idiocy, even his racism and stupidity, do they match Theresa’s Brexit fumbling, Windrush scandal, the PIP scandal and her treatment of the disabled, the funding of mental health, crumbling NHS, schools at breaking points, soaring homelessness, rising use of food banks, the disgusting mess of Grenfell. Just a starting pack of her horror show

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Post by Samo Fri 24 May 2019, 12:03 pm

Without a doubt the worst Prime Minister of our lifetimes, but Im not exactly filled with optimism when I see who's queueing up to take over from her. Where does this leave Parliament? Do the DUP keep their support or was that only a deal with May? Will we need a General Election in order to get a mandate to try and renegotiate with the EU?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 24 May 2019, 12:09 pm

I haven't heard her whole speech: did she admit to doing anything wrong?

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Post by lostinwales Fri 24 May 2019, 12:11 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:I haven't heard her whole speech: did she admit to doing anything wrong?

Some bollox about dealing with burning injustice and doing the right thing for the country.

She certainly has done her fair share for burning injustice

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 24 May 2019, 2:21 pm

They have finally chucked a bucket of water over her and not before time....But before Dorothy sighs with relief..

We lose an incompetent and get a racist buffoon..

Can't wait !!!

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 24 May 2019, 2:32 pm

If Johnson becomes prime minster, there'll still be paralysis in the Commons. If anything, his job will be harder than May's, because I'm sure some Tory MPs have said they'll leave the party if he becomes its leader.

It doesn't matter who they appoint. Remain MPs, Tories included, are no more likely to back a Brexiter prime minister than they were to back Theresa May, and a soft-Brexit advocate won't get the ERG and the DUP onside.

We're headed for a general election. This parliament's had it.

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