Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

I think its a done deal -no doubt he will be sat with the owner tonight
Villa should be a big big club remember going to cup semis there but probably need an owner willing to throw in some quick money .
No messing around in football these days from any of the owners.

[Diggers]

Grimsby is a reasonable model for regeneration. Tricky to get to but has gone for wind energy in a big way, with some level of government investment to encourage people to stay, local workers/students  are being trained through the companies so the better jobs aren’t just going to workers moving into the area. It’s had some housing investment and port regeneration to make it a bit more appealing.
The turbines themselves aren’t made locally, but many firms have sprung up producing parts. Obviously tax breaks for these kind of start ups and potentially green industries is a good thing. Note, smart and fair taxation, not just simply high or low as Super views it.
If an area can find some form of niche industry they can make progress, it’s not about rivalling the South East, it’s about not letting your country rot, which leads to resentment and chasing unicorns like Brexit.
Takes a lot though and can’t say I’d want to live in Grimsby myself, but I grew up in a northeastern seaside town and had a great time.

Diggers, Wind companies like Vattenfall and Orsted set up in places where they can harness the most energy from the wind, not to benefit places like Grimbsy.
They also don't employ very many people once they are up and running, at least not locally.

Grimbsy are merely fortunate to be located as they are, they didn't just "decide" to go for a wind farm, they are in an area where it was suitable. Grimbsy council or whatever doesn't even have rights over the sea that surrounds them, that's a central government issue.

17000 jobs and growing, 5% of jobs in the area. Plus all the trickle down money this gives to local industries. Siemens just employed 1000 people, 98% live within 30 miles.
The whole point is the area has gone way beyond just having a license, they’ve involved local colleges to train people for the industry. It’s not going to take all the problems away, but it’s offering something and it’s positive.
I didn’t make this up, the reason I know is I listened to a 5 Live show all about how wind energy was regenerating the area (that and a bloke I teach with is from Grimsby originally), probably available on BBC Sounds.

[JAS]

Grimsby is a reasonable model for regeneration. Tricky to get to but has gone for wind energy in a big way, with some level of government investment to encourage people to stay, local workers/students  are being trained through the companies so the better jobs aren’t just going to workers moving into the area. It’s had some housing investment and port regeneration to make it a bit more appealing.
The turbines themselves aren’t made locally, but many firms have sprung up producing parts. Obviously tax breaks for these kind of start ups and potentially green industries is a good thing. Note, smart and fair taxation, not just simply high or low as Super views it.
If an area can find some form of niche industry they can make progress, it’s not about rivalling the South East, it’s about not letting your country rot, which leads to resentment and chasing unicorns like Brexit.
Takes a lot though and can’t say I’d want to live in Grimsby myself, but I grew up in a northeastern seaside town and had a great time.

Diggers, Wind companies like Vattenfall and Orsted set up in places where they can harness the most energy from the wind, not to benefit places like Grimbsy.
They also don't employ very many people once they are up and running, at least not locally.

Grimbsy are merely fortunate to be located as they are, they didn't just "decide" to go for a wind farm, they are in an area where it was suitable. Grimbsy council or whatever doesn't even have rights over the sea that surrounds them, that's a central government issue.

17000 jobs and growing, 5% of jobs in the area. Plus all the trickle down money this gives to local industries. Siemens just employed 1000 people, 98% live within 30 miles.
The whole point is the area has gone way beyond just having a license, they’ve involved local colleges to train people for the industry. It’s not going to take all the problems away, but it’s offering something and it’s positive.
I didn’t make this up, the reason I know is I listened to a 5 Live show all about how wind energy was regenerating the area (that and a bloke I teach with is from Grimsby originally), probably available on BBC Sounds.

On the downside, if they’re building a big offshore wind farm in the area it’s probably put Trump off building a luxury hotel and golf course locally :-o

[dynamark]

Fish Fish Grimsby fish used to be written on vans delivering to the door in my area.
Another very good programme on BBC4 last night about 10 years spent getting an image of a black hole from millions of light years away.Incredible stuff goodness knows what it all cost but we do stuff because its there.Bit like climbing Everest or going to the poles.

[NedB-H]

If Ashley is the real world, I don’t want to live here anymore. Even other businesses actively seek not to be involved with him, his workers rights record is nothing short of disgraceful.

I have first hand experience of Ashley working practices Diggers. Not going to go into detail, but don’t believe everything you read in the press, and there are a lot of other companies out there who are as bad or worse.

A lot of the Ashley bad PR is down to the fact the he hates your classic city types, sees himself as a sort of self-made wheeler dealer type, and consequently they hate him back. Your fund management/investment people like businesses that do what they’re told, or at the very least do what they’re expected to do, and Ashley certainly doesn’t do what anyone else tells him to.

[Be_the_ball]

If Ashley is the real world, I don’t want to live here anymore. Even other businesses actively seek not to be involved with him, his workers rights record is nothing short of disgraceful.

I have first hand experience of Ashley working practices Diggers. Not going to go into detail, but don’t believe everything you read in the press, and there are a lot of other companies out there who are as bad or worse.

A lot of the Ashley bad PR is down to the fact the he hates your classic city types, sees himself as a sort of self-made wheeler dealer type, and consequently they hate him back. Your fund management/investment people like businesses that do what they’re told, or at the very least do what they’re expected to do, and Ashley certainly doesn’t do what anyone else tells him to.

A friend of mine is from Chesterfield, (please forgive me if I've already mentioned this), his parents still live there. There is a large Sports Direct warehouse is the town. Ashley was using 19th century work practices where he was hiring on a daily basis on zero hours contracts, people would line up outside and hope to be picked for a days work. What happened was Romanians and Bulgarians were hiding out and sleeping in people's sheds if they weren't picked, hoping to be picked the next day. My friends dad voted leave as did the majority is Chesterfield largely on the basis of that. Who is responsible for that? People like Ashley, who abused workers rights during the crash that's who. Now his son is worried he might have to apply for a visa to stay with his Irish wife and family in a country he now calls home. British people are not seen as foreign by most people in Ireland, and the worries over what could happen up north are not helping anyone. I would even say some are going into a PTSD mode with the thoughts of what could happen. Everyone thought those days were long gone. Ireland has the largest number of British people living here behind Spain on 2017 figures with 270,000. As I said British people aren't generally thought of as foreign in Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/sports-direct-apology-over-regime-at-shirebrook-comes-at-11th-hour-1.2781825

See 2017 table
https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-uk-citizens-live-other-eu-countries/

[super_realist]

Grimsby is a reasonable model for regeneration. Tricky to get to but has gone for wind energy in a big way, with some level of government investment to encourage people to stay, local workers/students  are being trained through the companies so the better jobs aren’t just going to workers moving into the area. It’s had some housing investment and port regeneration to make it a bit more appealing.
The turbines themselves aren’t made locally, but many firms have sprung up producing parts. Obviously tax breaks for these kind of start ups and potentially green industries is a good thing. Note, smart and fair taxation, not just simply high or low as Super views it.
If an area can find some form of niche industry they can make progress, it’s not about rivalling the South East, it’s about not letting your country rot, which leads to resentment and chasing unicorns like Brexit.
Takes a lot though and can’t say I’d want to live in Grimsby myself, but I grew up in a northeastern seaside town and had a great time.

Diggers, Wind companies like Vattenfall and Orsted set up in places where they can harness the most energy from the wind, not to benefit places like Grimbsy.
They also don't employ very many people once they are up and running, at least not locally.

Grimbsy are merely fortunate to be located as they are, they didn't just "decide" to go for a wind farm, they are in an area where it was suitable. Grimbsy council or whatever doesn't even have rights over the sea that surrounds them, that's a central government issue.

17000 jobs and growing, 5% of jobs in the area. Plus all the trickle down money this gives to local industries. Siemens just employed 1000 people, 98% live within 30 miles.
The whole point is the area has gone way beyond just having a license, they’ve involved local colleges to train people for the industry. It’s not going to take all the problems away, but it’s offering something and it’s positive.
I didn’t make this up, the reason I know is I listened to a 5 Live show all about how wind energy was regenerating the area (that and a bloke I teach with is from Grimsby originally), probably available on BBC Sounds.

The point I was making Diggers is that Grimbsy didn't make it happen, the companies did, and not all destitute and run down towns can simply have a wind farm plonked on their doorstap. Grimbsy have been fortunate by their location rather than them courting a windfarm to their door.
I'd be very sceptical that 17,000 jobs are being maintained by the Humber Gateway wind farm development at present when just 125,000 are employed in the entire UK renewable industry which includes far more than just on and offshore wind. Can't really see 14% of all renewable jobs in the UK being in Grimsby on one windfarm, especially when it's not even the biggest windfarm in the UK.

There are far bigger ones in the UK which aren't making claims on employment like this, so I suspect there is probably a lot more to the story than just a windfarm if those figures are to be believed.

[super_realist]

TV BBC a couple of nights ago(sunday?) we had the excellent Prof Brian Cox on one channel with a super programme about the origins of everything 'everything  we are was created in the stars' and then you turn over and songs of praise and we have church full folk enthusiastically praising the creator.Probably put them on at the same time so the church folk couldn't watch the other programme.

Super didn't know which one to watch to be pi55ed off about first. Do I hate people who like God more than I hate Brian "not that Alice woman" Cox? Gaaaahk.

Haven't got a problem with Brian Cox at all, other than he released some truly criminal records with D:ream. He's a good presenter and has done some really good programmes, nothing to complain about.


Glad to see that oaf Assange get arrested though, not least because Mac probably has a black armband on today because of it.

[dynamark]

Wonder if folks have an opinion on the Aussie rugby star who 'may never play again'for club and country' after a comment about thinking that gay people will be going to hell.This guy is apparently a serious practicing Christian and whilst it was unwise to say the least I'm not sure he deserves that kind of a punishment .Over zealous but no worse than any other belief system and some of their extreme ideas.
I know very little about Assange but his lawyer saying that its down to the US and he was just the publisher of the 'leak' in a similar way to other outlets.

[navyblueshorts]

Wonder if folks have an opinion on the Aussie rugby star who 'may never play again'for club and country' after a comment about thinking that gay people will be going to hell.This guy is apparently a serious practicing Christian and whilst it was unwise to say the least I'm not sure he deserves that kind of a punishment .Over zealous but no worse than any other belief system and some of their extreme ideas.
I know very little about Assange but his lawyer saying that its down to the US and he was just the publisher of the 'leak' in a similar way to other outlets.

Do I have a problem with that prat not playing again? Not really. Do I have a problem with all the media focus being on his mention of 'gays', when he also mention other groups, including atheists? Yes, I do.

[Diggers]

Wonder if folks have an opinion on the Aussie rugby star who 'may never play again'for club and country' after a comment about thinking that gay people will be going to hell.This guy is apparently a serious practicing Christian and whilst it was unwise to say the least I'm not sure he deserves that kind of a punishment .Over zealous but no worse than any other belief system and some of their extreme ideas.
I know very little about Assange but his lawyer saying that its down to the US and he was just the publisher of the 'leak' in a similar way to other outlets.

Do I have a problem with that prat not playing again? Not really. Do I have a problem with all the media focus being on his mention of 'gays', when he also mention other groups, including atheists? Yes, I do.

The stories I’ve read list all the people he wants to burn in hell, not just the gays. He can think what he wants, within the laws of the country he can say what he wants, but if those views are directly offensive to many people who live in the country he is representing, then he shouldn’t represent that country.

[Diggers]

Grimsby is a reasonable model for regeneration. Tricky to get to but has gone for wind energy in a big way, with some level of government investment to encourage people to stay, local workers/students  are being trained through the companies so the better jobs aren’t just going to workers moving into the area. It’s had some housing investment and port regeneration to make it a bit more appealing.
The turbines themselves aren’t made locally, but many firms have sprung up producing parts. Obviously tax breaks for these kind of start ups and potentially green industries is a good thing. Note, smart and fair taxation, not just simply high or low as Super views it.
If an area can find some form of niche industry they can make progress, it’s not about rivalling the South East, it’s about not letting your country rot, which leads to resentment and chasing unicorns like Brexit.
Takes a lot though and can’t say I’d want to live in Grimsby myself, but I grew up in a northeastern seaside town and had a great time.

Diggers, Wind companies like Vattenfall and Orsted set up in places where they can harness the most energy from the wind, not to benefit places like Grimbsy.
They also don't employ very many people once they are up and running, at least not locally.

Grimbsy are merely fortunate to be located as they are, they didn't just "decide" to go for a wind farm, they are in an area where it was suitable. Grimbsy council or whatever doesn't even have rights over the sea that surrounds them, that's a central government issue.

17000 jobs and growing, 5% of jobs in the area. Plus all the trickle down money this gives to local industries. Siemens just employed 1000 people, 98% live within 30 miles.
The whole point is the area has gone way beyond just having a license, they’ve involved local colleges to train people for the industry. It’s not going to take all the problems away, but it’s offering something and it’s positive.
I didn’t make this up, the reason I know is I listened to a 5 Live show all about how wind energy was regenerating the area (that and a bloke I teach with is from Grimsby originally), probably available on BBC Sounds.

The point I was making Diggers is that Grimbsy didn't make it happen, the companies did, and not all destitute and run down towns can simply have a wind farm plonked on their doorstap. Grimbsy have been fortunate by their location rather than them courting a windfarm to their door.
I'd be very sceptical that 17,000 jobs are being maintained by the Humber Gateway wind farm development at present when just 125,000 are employed in the entire UK renewable industry which includes far more than just on and offshore wind. Can't really see 14% of all renewable jobs in the UK being in Grimsby on one windfarm, especially when it's not even the biggest windfarm in the UK.

There are far bigger ones in the UK which aren't making claims on employment like this, so I suspect there is probably a lot more to the story than just a windfarm if those figures are to be believed.

I said at the start of this it’s about grasping an opportunity and growing it. That’s what Humberside has done and is doing, they’ve attracted Siemens to start building parts their, it’s not just about the size of the wind farms, it’s about becoming a hub for the industry. If you want to dispute the figures fine, it’s not hard to find an array of figures for green energy employment, both higher and lower than your 125k. The Siemens statistic came from them.
You should be agreeing with this, Im showing it’s possible, even under this Govt, for good news stories about regeneration in areas that have been struggling. It’s clearly not going to solve all the problems, it’s not possible in all areas, but it is a positive.

[NedB-H]

If Ashley is the real world, I don’t want to live here anymore. Even other businesses actively seek not to be involved with him, his workers rights record is nothing short of disgraceful.

I have first hand experience of Ashley working practices Diggers. Not going to go into detail, but don’t believe everything you read in the press, and there are a lot of other companies out there who are as bad or worse.

A lot of the Ashley bad PR is down to the fact the he hates your classic city types, sees himself as a sort of self-made wheeler dealer type, and consequently they hate him back. Your fund management/investment people like businesses that do what they’re told, or at the very least do what they’re expected to do, and Ashley certainly doesn’t do what anyone else tells him to.

A friend of mine is from Chesterfield, (please forgive me if I've already mentioned this), his parents still live there. There is a large Sports Direct warehouse is the town. Ashley was using 19th century work practices where he was hiring on a daily basis on zero hours contracts, people would line up outside and hope to be picked for a days work. What happened was Romanians and Bulgarians were hiding out and sleeping in people's sheds if they weren't picked, hoping to be picked the next day. My friends dad voted leave as did the majority is Chesterfield largely on the basis of that. Who is responsible for that? People like Ashley, who abused workers rights during the crash that's who. Now his son is worried he might have to apply for a visa to stay with his Irish wife and family in a country he now calls home. British people are not seen as foreign by most people in Ireland, and the worries over what could happen up north are not helping anyone. I would even say some are going into a PTSD mode with the thoughts of what could happen. Everyone thought those days were long gone. Ireland has the largest number of British people living here behind Spain on 2017 figures with 270,000. As I said British people aren't generally thought of as foreign in Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/sports-direct-apology-over-regime-at-shirebrook-comes-at-11th-hour-1.2781825

See 2017 table
https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-uk-citizens-live-other-eu-countries/

As I said, I have first hand experience... I’m not saying his companies are a John Lewis mutual for workers’ rights but nor is it as bad as you make it out. It’s certainly not a case of lining up going to be picked like football in the school playground. I could give you plenty of recognised high street names who stitch their workers up in equally bad ways; although in my experience the worst of all tend to be small local businesses. When your margins are tighter and your profits are smaller you have a bigger need to save on unnecessary wages; you’re much more likely to be told you’re not needed today, and sent home with no further pay, if you work in a bar than for a high street retailer.

Glad I’m not the only one with an irrational dislike of Brian Cox on TV. Sure he’s a perfectly nice chap but something about his shiny face and kids’ haircut triggers me. He’s not as bad as Robert Winston mind.

[Diggers]

I don’t mind Cox, though a friend went to see him speak a few weeks ago and was fairly underwhelmed. I’m interested in all the ideas but a lot of it quickly goes beyond me, I could do without him delivering sentence in hushed, reverential tones, like he’s about to reveal the secrets of the universe...which of course he sort of is.
Re space science in general, I love the black hole data, mind blowing stuff.

[navyblueshorts]

Wonder if folks have an opinion on the Aussie rugby star who 'may never play again'for club and country' after a comment about thinking that gay people will be going to hell.This guy is apparently a serious practicing Christian and whilst it was unwise to say the least I'm not sure he deserves that kind of a punishment .Over zealous but no worse than any other belief system and some of their extreme ideas.
I know very little about Assange but his lawyer saying that its down to the US and he was just the publisher of the 'leak' in a similar way to other outlets.

Do I have a problem with that prat not playing again? Not really. Do I have a problem with all the media focus being on his mention of 'gays', when he also mention other groups, including atheists? Yes, I do.

The stories I’ve read list all the people he wants to burn in hell, not just the gays. He can think what he wants, within the laws of the country he can say what he wants, but if those views are directly offensive to many people who live in the country he is representing, then he shouldn’t represent that country.

Absolutely. I wasn't disputing that.

[McLaren]

I love the black hole data, mind blowing stuff.

BLACK hole. Why do you have to bring race into everything.

[McLaren]

On Assange, how are people being taken in by this self serving, r*** charge dodging charlatan?

[dynamark]

Mac I don't know too much but I'm pretty sure those charges have been dropped .I'm not saying he is a pleasant fella but the argument is that is he was a publisher.He did dodge court though.
Digs your 'reverential' comment re cox was good bit like a preacher on sunday at the pulpit and the difference is he(cox) really is revealing the secrets of the universe.Attenborough or say Patrick Moore sounds similar over sincere but nevertheless engaging
Re the rugby fella I dont know the background of previous issues but it is a strange one in that he is a very fundamental Christian and it surely no worse than all manner of other viewwpoints.

[westisbest]

Israel Folau is the Australian international. Said that hell is awaiting gay people.

Read that Australian rugby bosses decision to sack him is unchanged.
Think that’s a bit ott. Should probably keep his opinions to himself on those kind of issues.

Shame for him if he does get sacked. Very good rugby player. Although at 30, not to many years left

[Diggers]

Folau was warned last year, very lucky to get away with it once. Has done it again knowing the consequences, as well as being pious he’s clearly stupid, deserves all he gets.

[I'm never wrong]

RFU and Saracens going to speak to Billy Vunipola as he has supported or “liked” the posts.

[kwinigolfer]

Trouble is, these guys/ladies (rightly) get sanctioned or penalised for what they say or do - Drumpf is institutionalising such vile crap and getting away with it on a daily basis, all with a nod and wink from the rest of the world.

[kwinigolfer]

Tommy Smith just died.
Probably didn't like seeing DeChambeau at the top of the leaderboard.
Imagine there'll be plenty of tributes at Anfield on Sunday. Hard man.

[Diggers]

Billy V better be ready to change his tune. Rugby Union, just like all of the big sports, is massive on diversity and inclusion, Sarries want to be a big brand and you just can’t have players tweeting that kind of stuff, whoever you are. I suspect an apology will get him out of this, but he’ll have to look sincere. Mind you, he’s barely ever fit for more than a few games in a row.

[Diggers]

Tommy Smith just died.
Probably didn't like seeing DeChambeau at the top of the leaderboard.
Imagine there'll be plenty of tributes at Anfield on Sunday. Hard man.

Smiths career was ending when I started really watching, remember him from the 1977 European Cup final and he was always known as a real hard man (harder than Bremner, but not as good a footballer), could obviously play a bit as well. I guess he was replaced by Souness who was also very much in that mould.

[kwinigolfer]

Tommy Smith just died.
Probably didn't like seeing DeChambeau at the top of the leaderboard.
Imagine there'll be plenty of tributes at Anfield on Sunday. Hard man.

Smiths career was ending when I started really watching, remember him from the 1977 European Cup final and he was always known as a real hard man (harder than Bremner, but not as good a footballer), could obviously play a bit as well. I guess he was replaced by Souness who was also very much in that mould.

On a par with Dave MacKay for the years during the 60's and 70's when I was really paying attention, made Bremner look like a pipsqueak, but Norman Hunter had his moments. As did ben's buddy Mike Pejic.

[Diggers]

Yep, I wouldn’t have wanted to pick a fight with Joe Jordan either.

[dynamark]

Just been to LCFC v Newcastle they did a right job on us but Rondon is a beast.Twice the size of Wes Morgan.A lot of these players we look back were not that fearsome but when you are 12 years old they certainly look it

[Diggers]

I’ve just watched the highlights of the Leicester game, I’d be amazed if Rondon weighed more than Morgan. In fact I was thinking Morgan must be up there as one of the heaviest outfield premier league players, the guy is just a lump. I know he’s chipped in with a few goals lately but he needs shipping out soon.

[dynamark]

True Digs Morgan probably has a couple of years at say Forest or Derby left in the tank.
We have plenty of choice at centre back but hes club captain and has done well over a period of time.
Id be happy to see Maguire and Chilwell away for a ton of cash both well overated in my view.
I see my golfers have bombed out in the masters comp- credit to Burnhard Lungar

[Diggers]

I’m not fully sold on Maguire so would agree he might be worth the sale for the right bid, that said I think he’s carrying Morgan, who just doesn’t move anymore, club captain or not. Chilwell is 22, I think he’s had a cracking season, all things considered, and has all the England age group pedigree so I’d be a little more patient with him. But I don’t see them every week.

[kwinigolfer]

dyna,
You'll crack the Top Six next year with your young players, a terrific group and one or two who'll join them soon. Wouldn't be surprised to see Top Four and Champo League.
'Course, I also hope PFC get promoted so I'm a little delusional. Good luck.

[super_realist]

Grimsby is a reasonable model for regeneration. Tricky to get to but has gone for wind energy in a big way, with some level of government investment to encourage people to stay, local workers/students  are being trained through the companies so the better jobs aren’t just going to workers moving into the area. It’s had some housing investment and port regeneration to make it a bit more appealing.
The turbines themselves aren’t made locally, but many firms have sprung up producing parts. Obviously tax breaks for these kind of start ups and potentially green industries is a good thing. Note, smart and fair taxation, not just simply high or low as Super views it.
If an area can find some form of niche industry they can make progress, it’s not about rivalling the South East, it’s about not letting your country rot, which leads to resentment and chasing unicorns like Brexit.
Takes a lot though and can’t say I’d want to live in Grimsby myself, but I grew up in a northeastern seaside town and had a great time.

Diggers, Wind companies like Vattenfall and Orsted set up in places where they can harness the most energy from the wind, not to benefit places like Grimbsy.
They also don't employ very many people once they are up and running, at least not locally.

Grimbsy are merely fortunate to be located as they are, they didn't just "decide" to go for a wind farm, they are in an area where it was suitable. Grimbsy council or whatever doesn't even have rights over the sea that surrounds them, that's a central government issue.

17000 jobs and growing, 5% of jobs in the area. Plus all the trickle down money this gives to local industries. Siemens just employed 1000 people, 98% live within 30 miles.
The whole point is the area has gone way beyond just having a license, they’ve involved local colleges to train people for the industry. It’s not going to take all the problems away, but it’s offering something and it’s positive.
I didn’t make this up, the reason I know is I listened to a 5 Live show all about how wind energy was regenerating the area (that and a bloke I teach with is from Grimsby originally), probably available on BBC Sounds.

The point I was making Diggers is that Grimbsy didn't make it happen, the companies did, and not all destitute and run down towns can simply have a wind farm plonked on their doorstap. Grimbsy have been fortunate by their location rather than them courting a windfarm to their door.
I'd be very sceptical that 17,000 jobs are being maintained by the Humber Gateway wind farm development at present when just 125,000 are employed in the entire UK renewable industry which includes far more than just on and offshore wind. Can't really see 14% of all renewable jobs in the UK being in Grimsby on one windfarm, especially when it's not even the biggest windfarm in the UK.

There are far bigger ones in the UK which aren't making claims on employment like this, so I suspect there is probably a lot more to the story than just a windfarm if those figures are to be believed.

I said at the start of this it’s about grasping an opportunity and growing it. That’s what Humberside has done and is doing, they’ve attracted Siemens to start building parts their, it’s not just about the size of the wind farms, it’s about becoming a hub for the industry. If you want to dispute the figures fine, it’s not hard to find an array of figures for green energy employment, both higher and lower than your 125k. The Siemens statistic came from them.
You should be agreeing with this, Im showing it’s possible, even under this Govt, for good news stories about regeneration in areas that have been struggling. It’s clearly not going to solve all the problems, it’s not possible in all areas, but it is a positive.

Yes, it's good news Diggers, but it's an accident of geography, that's the point. Humberside actually have very little influence on it given that the coast below the low water line has nothing to do with them. It is the property of the crown and therefore it's central government agencies responsibility to deal with.
Any regenerative effect is supplementary to the aims of the companies involved in exploiting the available wind. If it wasn't commercial for them to operate there in terms of how much power they are getting, they wouldn't be there. It could be in Grimbsy or it could be in the Isle of Harris for all they care. This project has nothing to do with providing regeneration, even although it's a by product of the project.
Great for Grimbsy, but lets not pretend that they successfully bid to have a regeneration project because that's not the case.

It's great if they get extra companies like Siemens in, as the blades erode at the tips so they'll need replaced in time, and many other parts will also wear out, but I think the number employed there won't be as big as you think. It's only 73 turbines and associated infrastructure, that for most of the time simply doesn't need anything doing to it.

[super_realist]

Wonder if folks have an opinion on the Aussie rugby star who 'may never play again'for club and country' after a comment about thinking that gay people will be going to hell.This guy is apparently a serious practicing Christian and whilst it was unwise to say the least I'm not sure he deserves that kind of a punishment .Over zealous but no worse than any other belief system and some of their extreme ideas.
I know very little about Assange but his lawyer saying that its down to the US and he was just the publisher of the 'leak' in a similar way to other outlets.

Shows that religion deserves absolutely no preferential treatment in this (or any) country, which means no faith schools to spread this nonsense, no positions in the house of Lords for clergy (ridiculous they still have this) and the abolition of their tax free status.

The irony in this oaf saying all these things about gay people going to hell is that he missed from the very same book of the bible that he is quoting from that "you should not mark your body" and the tw@t is covered in tattoos. So yet another Christian hypocrite. I'm not sure he deserves to be fired, as making a threat of hell is actually rather hilarious given that there's as much chance of it existing as Leprechauns, so I'm not sure why people are acting all offended as it's a pretty empty claim for him to make.
His comments demand ridicule and humiliation for being so utterly absurd and downright nonsense, but I'm not sure someone should be sacked for having silly ideas that are laughable, after all Corbyn is still in a job.
If he thinks the bible is so important then he should be stoning his unruly children to death, keep a few slaves and kill anyone who works on a sunday, which I'm sure he has worked on as a Rugby professional, yet he doesn't do that, as those are all things the bible says you should do.

People should be queueing up to laugh at this guy rather than sack him. How could anyone in 1919 believe this claptrap, let alone 2019?

[beninho]

Oh comments on religion, lets hope everyone rehashes the old terms. Its always fun.

Anyway, its clear the aussie guy should be sacked, his social media posts have brought his employers into a problem. It was pretty homophobic, religion doesn't override that.

The english guy should be dropped aswell. Surely they have rules about social media posts in their contracts.

[dynamark]

Fair points all round.Apparently the South sea islanders(like our rugby player) are often extremely religious families
generations being relatively isolated from other influence.they are also very tight family groups .No excuse though.
My son is going to Trump Turnberry an Monday and Tuesday for work fitting gym kit .Unfortunately he has never held a golf club in his life but I'm hoping he can get me some pics(assuming they can keep their phones).Worked at a well known footballers place recently and no phones allowed.

[Diggers]

Grimsby is a reasonable model for regeneration. Tricky to get to but has gone for wind energy in a big way, with some level of government investment to encourage people to stay, local workers/students  are being trained through the companies so the better jobs aren’t just going to workers moving into the area. It’s had some housing investment and port regeneration to make it a bit more appealing.
The turbines themselves aren’t made locally, but many firms have sprung up producing parts. Obviously tax breaks for these kind of start ups and potentially green industries is a good thing. Note, smart and fair taxation, not just simply high or low as Super views it.
If an area can find some form of niche industry they can make progress, it’s not about rivalling the South East, it’s about not letting your country rot, which leads to resentment and chasing unicorns like Brexit.
Takes a lot though and can’t say I’d want to live in Grimsby myself, but I grew up in a northeastern seaside town and had a great time.

Diggers, Wind companies like Vattenfall and Orsted set up in places where they can harness the most energy from the wind, not to benefit places like Grimbsy.
They also don't employ very many people once they are up and running, at least not locally.

Grimbsy are merely fortunate to be located as they are, they didn't just "decide" to go for a wind farm, they are in an area where it was suitable. Grimbsy council or whatever doesn't even have rights over the sea that surrounds them, that's a central government issue.

17000 jobs and growing, 5% of jobs in the area. Plus all the trickle down money this gives to local industries. Siemens just employed 1000 people, 98% live within 30 miles.
The whole point is the area has gone way beyond just having a license, they’ve involved local colleges to train people for the industry. It’s not going to take all the problems away, but it’s offering something and it’s positive.
I didn’t make this up, the reason I know is I listened to a 5 Live show all about how wind energy was regenerating the area (that and a bloke I teach with is from Grimsby originally), probably available on BBC Sounds.

The point I was making Diggers is that Grimbsy didn't make it happen, the companies did, and not all destitute and run down towns can simply have a wind farm plonked on their doorstap. Grimbsy have been fortunate by their location rather than them courting a windfarm to their door.
I'd be very sceptical that 17,000 jobs are being maintained by the Humber Gateway wind farm development at present when just 125,000 are employed in the entire UK renewable industry which includes far more than just on and offshore wind. Can't really see 14% of all renewable jobs in the UK being in Grimsby on one windfarm, especially when it's not even the biggest windfarm in the UK.

There are far bigger ones in the UK which aren't making claims on employment like this, so I suspect there is probably a lot more to the story than just a windfarm if those figures are to be believed.

I said at the start of this it’s about grasping an opportunity and growing it. That’s what Humberside has done and is doing, they’ve attracted Siemens to start building parts their, it’s not just about the size of the wind farms, it’s about becoming a hub for the industry. If you want to dispute the figures fine, it’s not hard to find an array of figures for green energy employment, both higher and lower than your 125k. The Siemens statistic came from them.
You should be agreeing with this, Im showing it’s possible, even under this Govt, for good news stories about regeneration in areas that have been struggling. It’s clearly not going to solve all the problems, it’s not possible in all areas, but it is a positive.

Yes, it's good news Diggers, but it's an accident of geography, that's the point. Humberside actually have very little influence on it given that the coast below the low water line has nothing to do with them. It is the property of the crown and therefore it's central government agencies responsibility to deal with.
Any regenerative effect is supplementary to the aims of the companies involved in exploiting the available wind. If it wasn't commercial for them to operate there in terms of how much power they are getting, they wouldn't be there. It could be in Grimbsy or it could be in the Isle of Harris for all they care. This project has nothing to do with providing regeneration, even although it's a by product of the project.
Great for Grimbsy, but lets not pretend that they successfully bid to have a regeneration project because that's not the case.

It's great if they get extra companies like Siemens in, as the blades erode at the tips so they'll need replaced in time, and many other parts will also wear out, but I think the number employed there won't be as big as you think. It's only 73 turbines and associated infrastructure, that for most of the time simply doesn't need anything doing to it.

I know the regeneration is a by product, that’s why I keep saying they are grasping the opportunity. The renewable energy firms are only part of the employment growth, the money in the area gives a boost to numerous other sectors. Local council has invested 67 million in building new housing and regeneration of the dock area (35 million from the Northern Powerhouse fund).

[Diggers]

Some game at the SOL, 4-4, 20 minutes to go!

[kwinigolfer]

36,000 there Digs, What's the capacity.
Our ex-young prodigy Connor Chaplin has just scored a fifth. Sorry about that.

[Diggers]

About 49 Kwini. Games are catching up with us, we’ve never looked leaky at the back all season. Hey ho.

[beninho]

First win in 13 for chairboys, and against a team below us! So now 3 points away from relegation zone and 17th place. 3 of last 4 games against teams below us, so if we do go down its all our own fault.

[Diggers]

Kwini, the wife went to see Michelle Obama speak at the O2 last night, they discovered that she could sell out a 20,000 seat arena when she came over originally to appear at the South Bank.
Mrs D loves her, found the whole night quite inspiring. I wondered how she’s perceived in the States, is she equally as well thought of, does she speak out against Trumpton?

[McLaren]

Diggers

My partner is similarly impressed with Michelle, a shame that Hillary(and by Hillary I meant he sexist US public) has shat over the idea of fist ladies moving on to running for presidency.

[kwinigolfer]

Kwini, the wife went to see Michelle Obama speak at the O2 last night, they discovered that she could sell out a 20,000 seat arena when she came over originally to appear at the South Bank.
Mrs D loves her, found the whole night quite inspiring. I wondered how she’s perceived in the States, is she equally as well thought of, does she speak out against Trumpton?

Mrs Digs has good taste - in first ladies anyway.
It seems she's selling out arenas wherever she goes - no idea the content of her speeches/chats. The kwini family think she's wonderful, the entire Obama family gets high marks from us. She also seemed to be a fine First Lady, as most of them seem to be, at least until the statuesque mannequin we have now.
As for general US public perception, I'm sure that is divided upon political lines, or at least those who support the ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the White House these days would doubtless despise her.

Regarding Mac's inanity, I can't imagine most First Ladies would ever covet political office, let alone a trip back to the White House (tho' Elizabeth Dole might have been an exception, but thankfully it didn't come to that).
Hillary got shat upon by her opponent and the media - probably the best qualified presidential candidate for a generation or two, at least since the first Bush (and look how that turned out).

Barack now lamenting today's Democrat "circular firing squads" and that's how things look from this keyboard too.

[Diggers]

Kwini, the wife went to see Michelle Obama speak at the O2 last night, they discovered that she could sell out a 20,000 seat arena when she came over originally to appear at the South Bank.
Mrs D loves her, found the whole night quite inspiring. I wondered how she’s perceived in the States, is she equally as well thought of, does she speak out against Trumpton?

Mrs Digs has good taste - in first ladies anyway.
It seems she's selling out arenas wherever she goes - no idea the content of her speeches/chats. The kwini family think she's wonderful, the entire Obama family gets high marks from us. She also seemed to be a fine First Lady, as most of them seem to be, at least until the statuesque mannequin we have now.
As for general US public perception, I'm sure that is divided upon political lines, or at least those who support the ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the White House these days would doubtless despise her.

Regarding Mac's inanity, I can't imagine most First Ladies would ever covet political office, let alone a trip back to the White House (tho' Elizabeth Dole might have been an exception, but thankfully it didn't come to that).
Hillary got shat upon by her opponent and the media - probably the best qualified presidential candidate for a generation or two, at least since the first Bush (and look how that turned out).

Barack now lamenting today's Democrat "circular firing squads" and that's how things look from this keyboard too.

Apparently it was done as an interview rather than a speech, Kwini, all based around the book which I think (bit vague on this) focuses on the fact everyone has a worthy story, or at least a story worth knowing.
Good to hear she’s well thought of as she comes across well. Could all just be our perception though, is she really Michelle the diva!! I doubt it somehow.

[super_realist]

Diggers

My partner is similarly impressed with Michelle, a shame that Hillary(and by Hillary I meant he sexist US public) has shat over the idea of fist ladies moving on to running for presidency.

You don't think Hillary had anything to do with that? She ran a rotten campaign Mac, but you are right in some respects, there's no way the US public would vote in a black, female Democrat. It's still a pretty backward country in many regards.


In other news...…..Woooooooooooaaaaaahhhhhh Notre Dame is on fire. Extinction Rebellion morons will probably blame this on climate change.

[kwinigolfer]

My football correspondent forwarded me a Reddit piece on the money earned by Prem players sitting on the bench, season thru' March 29th:
All 000 pounds

Sanchez: 4,881
Sturridge: 4,648
Mahrez: 4,411
Otamendi: 3,777
Ozil: 3,332
Giroud: 3,054
Mata: 3,032
Fred: 2,731
Meyer: 2,693
Lallana: 2,683

Amazing. And more ca ching in April & May.

[dynamark]

Add Drinkwater to that at Chelsea except that he hasn't even been on the bench.Must be at least £3 mill.

[super_realist]

My football correspondent forwarded me a Reddit piece on the money earned by Prem players sitting on the bench, season thru' March 29th:
All 000 pounds

Sanchez: 4,881
Sturridge: 4,648
Mahrez: 4,411
Otamendi: 3,777
Ozil: 3,332
Giroud: 3,054
Mata: 3,032
Fred: 2,731
Meyer: 2,693
Lallana: 2,683

Amazing. And more ca ching in April & May.

Incredible to think Lallana gets paid that much.

You wonder how much perpetual deadbeats like Wilshire and Carrol have made in their career sitting on their injury prone backsides. On a minute of game to £ in their pockets they must have been the worst buys of any player in the last 20 years for English clubs.

[beninho]

The list has all proven good players, though Fred, I have no idea, and sturridge is past his prime, but you can see why they are atbig clubs as squad players. Big clubs need to pay the squad fillers a decent wage.

Issues are at smaller clubs, fulham paid 30m for andre frank anguissa, who has made 15 appearances. Brighton spemt 17m on a guy from holland, 15 appearances no goals. Its bonkers, but the money keeps rolling in.

[Diggers]

Lallana’s only crime is to pick up a bad injury, he was a key first 11 starter before that. Clearly Liverpool improve their squad while he’s out and he’s struggling to get game time to prove his place. But he’s on a contract, so obviously he will be paid through this process and as Ben says, big clubs need good squads. I mean, imagine writing off Luke Shaw as a deadbeat?

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