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Duty281 wrote:So a good day for the Prime Minister, at last. Motion carried and some pesky amendments defeated.

Yes folks a good day for the PM is telling the Country over 50 times in the Commons the UK is leaving on the 29th March and then winning an extension..

What a low bar..

What a depressing read. We can al see just how well Change are doing

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Duty281 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yougov....EU Election intention..

Lab....24%
Con....16%
Brex...15%
UKIP...14%

Very low starting point for Labour and Tory. Despite the split with UKIP, the Brexit Party could actually win the European Election, when the campaigning begins properly - that would make it the third national election in a row to signal clear support for getting out of the EU.

European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 27%
LAB: 22%
CON: 15%
GRN: 10%
LDEM: 9%
UKIP: 7%
CHUK: 6%

via @YouGov, 15 - 16 Apr

Brexit Party now odds-on favourites to win the European Elections with Ladbrokes (8/11).

You can't vote for a party if it doesn't put up a candidate in your constituency. Let's see who / how many they can rustle up between now and election day. (Same goes for Change UK.)

I’m 99% sure that the Brexit Party will be running a full slate of 70 candidates for the Great Britain area (don’t think they’re contesting NI, though could be wrong).

Is Nigel Farage a Politician?  He is more a businessman who believes Britain would do better outside the EU project - which he sees as something that is clawing away too much sovereignty from Britain and the British people. He is more of a lobbyist who sees it is better to take his lobbying to the British people with his single agenda policy now in the form of the Brexit Party of leaving the EU.  So I would say he was a businessman who became a politician because of his strong view concerning the EU.

People like to call him a racist - but he has never been a racist (that is part of the demonisation process that occurs in the dumbing down of political discussion fed to the public).

Has he not? Good that you can confirm that for us, Bertrand. You win again.

Does like cavorting with them though, doesn't he? Or use racist imagery. Or speak to crowds of racists.

Farage has done an excellent job covering for himself when it came to the more racist side of UKIP, but as they old saying goes "You fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows". He doesnt do himself any favours when he's constantly hanging around with the likes of Steve Bannon, who IS a dirty, racist c*nt.

Interesting expose by Channel 4 recently, showing how Arron Banks' Leave.EU group faked a viral video of migrants getting into the UK and staged photos of 'migrants' attacking women in London. Obviously Arron Banks has called Channel 4 'fake news'.

The argument for scrapping Brexit gets stronger everyday with Poopie like this. What irks me even more is that if this was a legally binding referendum the result would have been thrown out by now.

Nowadays anyone who is a "nationalist" is defined as a racist.  Anyone who believes in national borders and the nation state is defined as a racist.  Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders is defined as a racist.  Anyone who voted for Brexit is therefore a racist and anyone who pushes for Brexit is also racist.  It is a very simple message and effective if the public are simple minded.  Once the association has been set then confirmation bias normally takes over to reaffirm it.

No name Bertie wrote:Nowadays anyone who is a "nationalist" is defined as a racist.  Anyone who believes in national borders and the nation state is defined as a racist.  Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders is defined as a racist.  Anyone who voted for Brexit is therefore a racist and anyone who pushes for Brexit is also racist.  It is a very simple message and effective if the public are simple minded.  Once the association has been set then confirmation bias normally takes over to reaffirm it.

Simple minded folk believe anything. But I'm sure you're immune to any of that.

No name Bertie wrote:Nowadays anyone who is a "nationalist" is defined as a racist.  Anyone who believes in national borders and the nation state is defined as a racist.  Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders is defined as a racist.  Anyone who voted for Brexit is therefore a racist and anyone who pushes for Brexit is also racist.  It is a very simple message and effective if the public are simple minded.  Once the association has been set then confirmation bias normally takes over to reaffirm it.

Anyone who has openly sang Nazi songs is probably a racist. Anyone who stands in front of an anti-immigration poster full of brown people with the words "Breaking Point" on it is almost certainly a racist. Anyone who does both is undoubtedly a racist.

May be the case that nationalists are thought of in a bad light because of what happens when nationalist parties rise to power.

Oh Bertie, you little weirdo. I’m more concerned by his racism than his nationalism. I don’t think nationalists are racist, I think they’re idiots. I think that now I’m in Australia onthe Australians who are nationalist, and I think that of the English ones, and the Americans too. The Australian ones are on a whole new level though, I’ll tell you that.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Oh Bertie, you little weirdo. I’m more concerned by his racism than his nationalism. I don’t think nationalists are racist, I think they’re idiots. I think that now I’m in Australia onthe Australians who are nationalist, and I think that of the English ones, and the Americans too. The Australian ones are on a whole new level though, I’ll tell you that.

I've often wondered if the people who champion an 'Australian style immigration system' realise that Australia is one of the most racist countries in the world.

Racist.....Nationalist...Take your pick...

We can all agree he is a good salesman and there aren't that many around in Politics..

See if he can sustain the initial boost in the polls.

I have my doubts..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Racist.....Nationalist...Take your pick...

We can all agree he is a good salesman and there aren't that many around in Politics..

See if he can sustain the initial boost in the polls.

I have my doubts..

No chance. This party is basically UKIP "without the racism" (to be confirmed) but will soon be shown to be a one issue party again. Unless we ditch the FPTP style then they'll be another group of non-entities.

Can’t deny the (racist) goit has been terribly effective at grandstanding himself to relevance. His personal domestic record is rather atrocious though.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Racist.....Nationalist...Take your pick...

We can all agree he is a good salesman and there aren't that many around in Politics..

See if he can sustain the initial boost in the polls.

I have my doubts..

They're only here for the European Elections, I doubt they'll stick around any longer (unless Article 50 is revoked/Brexit is watered down).

If the Brexit Party were to win the European Elections (and I have more doubts than Ladbrokes currently do), it would only be the second time a party other than Labour/Tory have won the popular vote in a national election in this country in the last 112 years or so. That would be some achievement. And a sweet double for Nige.

If they poll 15% in GE polls....and win the Euros they will stick around...Still have 2/3% of UKIP to ingest..

I imagine the convicted Peterborough Labour MP will get recalled soon....That will be fertile territory for a Farage by election attempt..

They are not going anywhere...They are back in the game and the attention is addictive..

Lo and behold....Farage has said his Party is here to stay..

Oh well there we are then. If he says it, it must be true. Honest as the day is long, our Nige.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lo and behold....Farage has said his Party is here to stay..

Like an unflushable turd.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lo and behold....Farage has said his Party is here to stay..

Aren't these the guys who won't be publishing any kind of manifesto until 'after the elections'*.

* I suspect this is code for 'until someone in the organisation learns to read and write...

Duty281 wrote:I’m 99% sure that the Brexit Party will be running a full slate of 70 candidates for the Great Britain area (don’t think they’re contesting NI, though could be wrong).

That's confirmed, then - 70 candidates running for the Brexit Party. Ditto Change.

It has been mentioned that the UKChange Party - is in fact practising Orwellian double-speak - in that they are not for change but for the status quo of EU bureacracy. For better or worse the democratic choice was for change = Brexit.

Meanwhile it is being claimed that Corbyn's Labour are intent on delivering Brexit.

European Parliament voting intention (Opinium):

BREX: 28% LAB: 28% CON: 14% LDEM: 7% CHUK: 7% GRN: 6% UKIP: 3%

European parliament voting intention (Survation):

BREX: 27% LAB: 27% CON: 16% LDEM: 8% UKIP: 7% CHUK: 4% GRN: 4%

European Parliament voting intention (YouGov)

BREX: 28% LAB: 22% CON: 13% CHUK: 10% GRN: 10% LDEM: 7% UKIP 5%

Don't think I've ever seen the Tories so low...

Duty281 wrote:European Parliament voting intention (Opinium):

BREX: 28% LAB: 28% CON: 14% LDEM: 7% CHUK: 7% GRN: 6% UKIP: 3%

European parliament voting intention (Survation):

BREX: 27% LAB: 27% CON: 16% LDEM: 8% UKIP: 7% CHUK: 4% GRN: 4%

European Parliament voting intention (YouGov)

BREX: 28% LAB: 22% CON: 13% CHUK: 10% GRN: 10% LDEM: 7% UKIP 5%

Don't think I've ever seen the Tories so low...

Maybe this is the time they actually split apart for real? Certainly their internal squabbles aren't helping anyone.

Apart from the Brexit party.

True! Farage has beaten Mogg et al to that punch as well. Suppose they could always join him.

The Brexit Party, like Ukip before them, don't actually want power. Press attention, headlines, and a nice little EU salary (for as long as it lasts) is all they want. They'd be horrified if they actually found themselves with any responsibility. If people want to vote for such single-issue opportunists, then let them.

They're also predictably refusing to disclose where their massive cash injections - predictably all just below the declaring threshold - have come from.

Pr4wn wrote:They're also predictably refusing to disclose where their massive cash injections - predictably all just below the declaring threshold - have come from.

The whole thing looks like that bit in Breaking Bad where Saul Goodman is using donations to Walters cancer website to hid one big giant donation as loads of little ones. Its all far too convenient. You can smell the corruption.

What's difficult to understand? The Brexit Party receive £25 donations from anyone who signs up as a 'registered supporter' - there are at least 60,000 such supporters. Also, anyone applying to be an MEP candidate paid £100 to the Brexit Party for the privilege - there were around 1,300 such applications.

navyblueshorts wrote:

Duty281 wrote:European Parliament voting intention (Opinium):

BREX: 28% LAB: 28% CON: 14% LDEM: 7% CHUK: 7% GRN: 6% UKIP: 3%

European parliament voting intention (Survation):

BREX: 27% LAB: 27% CON: 16% LDEM: 8% UKIP: 7% CHUK: 4% GRN: 4%

European Parliament voting intention (YouGov)

BREX: 28% LAB: 22% CON: 13% CHUK: 10% GRN: 10% LDEM: 7% UKIP 5%

Don't think I've ever seen the Tories so low...

Maybe this is the time they actually split apart for real? Certainly their internal squabbles aren't helping anyone.

I hope so!

Duty281 wrote:What's difficult to understand? The Brexit Party receive £25 donations from anyone who signs up as a 'registered supporter' - there are at least 60,000 such supporters. Also, anyone applying to be an MEP candidate paid £100 to the Brexit Party for the privilege - there were around 1,300 such applications.

Do you know how easy it is to set up email farms to get loads of registrations from no real people? Its also convenient that the donations just fall under the threshold of needing information disclosed. I've already explained earlier in the thread why this whole thing is suspicious.

You could be up to your neck in sh*t and still not smell it.

Samo wrote:

Duty281 wrote:What's difficult to understand? The Brexit Party receive £25 donations from anyone who signs up as a 'registered supporter' - there are at least 60,000 such supporters. Also, anyone applying to be an MEP candidate paid £100 to the Brexit Party for the privilege - there were around 1,300 such applications.

Do you know how easy it is to set up email farms to get loads of registrations from no real people?  Its also convenient that the donations just fall under the threshold of needing information disclosed.   I've already explained earlier in the thread why this whole thing is suspicious.

You could be up to your neck in sh*t and still not smell it.

But it isn't suspicious when there's an actual, easily identifiable reason for why the Brexit Party receive so many small donations, and when the maths add up for it. And they don't 'just fall under the threshold' - the threshold is £500, £25 is far below that.

Change UK have also been funded in a similar way, mostly through small. donations - do you think they're corrupt as well?

I think Change UK are nearly as likely to be lying about donations too. Farage himself has said they had one big donation to begin with and won't reveal who.

The leaders of Change also arent best mates with Steve Bannon - someone with a history of exploiting the system

Duty281 wrote:

Samo wrote:

Duty281 wrote:What's difficult to understand? The Brexit Party receive £25 donations from anyone who signs up as a 'registered supporter' - there are at least 60,000 such supporters. Also, anyone applying to be an MEP candidate paid £100 to the Brexit Party for the privilege - there were around 1,300 such applications.

Do you know how easy it is to set up email farms to get loads of registrations from no real people?  Its also convenient that the donations just fall under the threshold of needing information disclosed.   I've already explained earlier in the thread why this whole thing is suspicious.

You could be up to your neck in sh*t and still not smell it.

But it isn't suspicious when there's an actual, easily identifiable reason for why the Brexit Party receive so many small donations, and when the maths add up for it. And they don't 'just fall under the threshold' - the threshold is £500, £25 is far below that.

Change UK have also been funded in a similar way, mostly through small. donations - do you think they're corrupt as well?

You seriously believe that the Brexit Party's funding is above board?

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I think Change UK are nearly as likely to be lying about donations too. Farage himself has said they had one big donation to begin with and won't reveal who.

But it will be revealed in time.

Pr4wn wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

Samo wrote:

Duty281 wrote:What's difficult to understand? The Brexit Party receive £25 donations from anyone who signs up as a 'registered supporter' - there are at least 60,000 such supporters. Also, anyone applying to be an MEP candidate paid £100 to the Brexit Party for the privilege - there were around 1,300 such applications.

Do you know how easy it is to set up email farms to get loads of registrations from no real people?  Its also convenient that the donations just fall under the threshold of needing information disclosed.   I've already explained earlier in the thread why this whole thing is suspicious.

You could be up to your neck in sh*t and still not smell it.

But it isn't suspicious when there's an actual, easily identifiable reason for why the Brexit Party receive so many small donations, and when the maths add up for it. And they don't 'just fall under the threshold' - the threshold is £500, £25 is far below that.

Change UK have also been funded in a similar way, mostly through small. donations - do you think they're corrupt as well?

You seriously believe that the Brexit Party's funding is above board?

Yes, until some actual evidence is produced to the contrary.

Duty281 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

Samo wrote:

Duty281 wrote:What's difficult to understand? The Brexit Party receive £25 donations from anyone who signs up as a 'registered supporter' - there are at least 60,000 such supporters. Also, anyone applying to be an MEP candidate paid £100 to the Brexit Party for the privilege - there were around 1,300 such applications.

Do you know how easy it is to set up email farms to get loads of registrations from no real people?  Its also convenient that the donations just fall under the threshold of needing information disclosed.   I've already explained earlier in the thread why this whole thing is suspicious.

You could be up to your neck in sh*t and still not smell it.

But it isn't suspicious when there's an actual, easily identifiable reason for why the Brexit Party receive so many small donations, and when the maths add up for it. And they don't 'just fall under the threshold' - the threshold is £500, £25 is far below that.

Change UK have also been funded in a similar way, mostly through small. donations - do you think they're corrupt as well?

You seriously believe that the Brexit Party's funding is above board?

Yes, until some actual evidence is produced to the contrary.

Ok, there is no evidence to suggest that I am not a Nigerian Prince who just needs £10,000 of your money to pay legal fees to release millions from an account. There's also no evidence to suggest that I won't give you a 10% cut of this, plus your money back.

Come on, cough up. If you believe that stuff about the Brexit party then I reckon I'm in for a pay day.

Pr4wn wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

Samo wrote:

Duty281 wrote:What's difficult to understand? The Brexit Party receive £25 donations from anyone who signs up as a 'registered supporter' - there are at least 60,000 such supporters. Also, anyone applying to be an MEP candidate paid £100 to the Brexit Party for the privilege - there were around 1,300 such applications.

Do you know how easy it is to set up email farms to get loads of registrations from no real people?  Its also convenient that the donations just fall under the threshold of needing information disclosed.   I've already explained earlier in the thread why this whole thing is suspicious.

You could be up to your neck in sh*t and still not smell it.

But it isn't suspicious when there's an actual, easily identifiable reason for why the Brexit Party receive so many small donations, and when the maths add up for it. And they don't 'just fall under the threshold' - the threshold is £500, £25 is far below that.

Change UK have also been funded in a similar way, mostly through small. donations - do you think they're corrupt as well?

You seriously believe that the Brexit Party's funding is above board?

Yes, until some actual evidence is produced to the contrary.

Ok, there is no evidence to suggest that I am not a Nigerian Prince who just needs £10,000 of your money to pay legal fees to release millions from an account. There's also no evidence to suggest that I won't give you a 10% cut of this, plus your money back.

Come on, cough up. If you believe that stuff about the Brexit party then I reckon I'm in for a pay day.

If you're the one making a claim of wrongdoing, you need evidence to support it.

I don't see what is so difficult to believe that around 50,000-85,000 registered supporters have signed up to the Brexit Party, all of whom have paid £25 for the privilege (perhaps more). There's also the 1,300 applications to be an MEP candidate for said party, all of whom paid £100 for such luxury.

That's around 1.3 million pounds, right there, before you delve into the other folk who have merely hit the 'donate' button on the website.

I've already said theres no evidence, and it could all be innocent. But given the elaborate steps covering up where this money is coming from, plus the parties involved and their history makes me suspect wrong doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/18/nigel-farage-has-near-total-control-of-brexit-party-constitution-suggests

The party’s registered office is a serviced office in Victoria Street, Westminster, but it is known to have built up a war chest of cash through small donations of less than £500 on PayPal, which do not have to be declared

Also, seems Farage isn't a big believer in democracy. Who knew?

Most major political donations don't come directly from source as we all know...

Think the most frightening aspect of this new Brexit Party is seeing some of the blue collar candidates they have standing for them..

Like Black community leaders.....Standing for an ultra right bunch of low tax racists who believe in policies that destroy communities..

Strange days....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Standing for an ultra right bunch of low tax racists who believe in policies that destroy communities..

Strange days....

The Brexit Party have no policies on tax, as well as no policies full stop, plus they have a diverse range of candidates in the ethnicity department.

Strange post...

Every party I know of relies on distinctly dodgy funding. At the end of the day the big question is what their policies are? Do they have a vision for the future? Do they have a clear stance on what they stand for? What makes them stand out from other parties?

Duty281 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Standing for an ultra right bunch of low tax racists who believe in policies that destroy communities..

Strange days....

The Brexit Party have no policies on tax, as well as no policies full stop, plus they have a diverse range of candidates in the ethnicity department.

Strange post...

Not the Nigel Farage that ran UKIP is it...One that blamed Romanians for most of the crime in London and didn't want immigrants getting treated for aids ????

Is that Mogg's Anti immigrant...Low Tax....Anti abortion Sister ??

No No you are right...Shouldn't judge a book by its cover..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Standing for an ultra right bunch of low tax racists who believe in policies that destroy communities..

Strange days....

The Brexit Party have no policies on tax, as well as no policies full stop, plus they have a diverse range of candidates in the ethnicity department.

Strange post...

Not the Nigel Farage that ran UKIP is it...One that blamed Romanians for most of the crime in London and didn't want immigrants getting treated for aids ????

Is that Mogg's Anti immigrant...Low Tax....Anti abortion Sister ??

No No you are right...Shouldn't judge a book by its cover..

Wow, congratulations on your near-total ignorance. Nearly 100% wrong.

Your congratulations are graciously accepted..

Pr4wn wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/18/nigel-farage-has-near-total-control-of-brexit-party-constitution-suggests

The party’s registered office is a serviced office in Victoria Street, Westminster, but it is known to have built up a war chest of cash through small donations of less than £500 on PayPal, which do not have to be declared

Also, seems Farage isn't a big believer in democracy. Who knew?

Re: all the small donations. Breaking Bad and a particular method for money laundering comes to mind.