Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[McLaren]

First topic message reminder :

Kwini

It amazes me that a professional footballer can end up one footed. Just practice with your weak foot every day.

I remember spending a summer playing with only my left foot in the garden. Came back next season two footed.

[McLaren]

Super

Since when has "high school" been an Americanism?

[Roller_Coaster]

Super

Since when has "high school" been an Americanism?

Since I left high school.

[McLaren]

The place I went to "high school" literally had it in its name. Same for the school down the road from me now.

[Collapse2005]

Sounds pretty American to me albeit there are many common usage American English words such as OK.

[JAS]

I’m not sure High School is entirely an Americanism. Quite a few establishments call themselves High Schools.

[McLaren]

Jas

Are you surprised that Super is spouting nonsense again?

[dynamark]

I'm certain I went to a high school(on the sign outside)from 11-14 years of age.
Jurys out on the result though !

[McLaren]

Just checked, and the nearest school to me called "Boroughmuir High School" was founded in 1904, and I bet that isn't even a particularly old example.

Just to rub salt into the wounds, "The Royal High School" in Edinburgh, 18th Oldest School in the world, has been known as a High School since 1505. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_High_School,_Edinburgh

[super_realist]

If we didn't have McDonalds, Pizza Hut etc then we can stop talking about evolution as a cause for fatness then can't we¹. By the way, they also now have McDonalds etc in places where they don't have an obesity problem. I was in Norway 2 weeks ago, 3-4 such places in a pretty small town, but unlike the UK, people actually get outside and do exercise. So they show that having a profusion of fast food outlets doesn't make it hard to not be obese.

I'm presuming that I (and Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark) etc lack the same "hormone" (if it's even a hormone) that tells me I'm full. Yet I'm not obese, nor do I have the inclination to eat everything I see as if we'd just come out of rationing.²

We evolved to be hunter/gatherers too, but I don't stalk a deer on my way home from work. Stop trying to make excuses for people's grotesque weight. There are dozens of countries around the world with the same access to bad food as we have but who don't share the same obesity problems.

Are you really suggesting that the UK wants to be obese?³ Ha ha ha. People are simply too lazy to do anything about it. Granted, I think a lot of people don't give a toss, but I seriously haven't seen any suggestion or evidence that most people like being fat.

¹ Hear that? That's the sound of the point you've missed whistling over your head, yet again.
²You do know something about populations don't you and the fact that not everyone is the same? You have heard of, say, NICE where medicine is concerned, haven't you?
³ Did you read what I wrote? Or is it as I suspect, that you have pre-formed opinions and either ignore that which doesn't fit them, or are simply selectively blind to them? I said that there's no way people want to be obese, especially when they're the targets of the sorts of comment you routinely make.

You have your views, and the rest of us have other views. As I said, let's leave it and move on...

So if people are fat and don't want to be, why are they? They're just too lazy to do anything about it and too stupid for getting that way in the first place. Using excuses like fast food restaurants and the availability of "cheap, energy rich food" is pathetic and an attempt to divert blame away from themselves. I feed myself for a day for less than the cost of a meal in one of these wretched places.

Britain has a massive problem with obesity (8th in the world if you exclude Pacific micronations) which is largely self inflicted and this feeds back to the strains that it puts on the NHS for which fat lazy people are NEVER blamed, it's always the politicians fault that the NHS is in a state, not those who take the urine out of it). People ought to be taking far more responsibility for their own health in general rather than looking for someone/something else to blame for their own self induced poor health.

If these restaurants have an influence, then tax the sh1t out of them.

[JAS]

“People ought to be taking far more responsibility for their own health in general rather than looking for someone/something else to blame for their own self induced poor health. ”

Everything else aside, this comment from above is ABSOLUTELY spot on.

[McLaren]

Super

I think a macdonalds meal is about £5/6 and you claim to be feeding yourself healthily for less than this per day. Any chance you could share some recipes because I tend to eat healthily and make most meals from scratch but would struggle to spend less than £10 for anything remotely interesting.

[beninho]

What I gather, is that realist is a single guy with no family. Who has time and money to live who he wants to live.

You live your life and stop dictating how you think people should live when you have no experiences.

If people could all live well, eat healthily,not drink, drug or smoke to excess I am sure they would. But life is, shockingly, different for everyone.

So, lets all get off our high horses and stop trying to dictate what people should do. The worlds not perfect, people aren't perfect. Lets live with it.

I Don't like taxing fast food, as it's predominantly a tax on the less well off in society.

[pedro]

What I gather, is that realist is a single guy with no family. Who has time and money to live who he wants to live.

You live your life and stop dictating how you think people should live when you have no experiences.

If people could all live well, eat healthily,not drink, drug or smoke to excess I am sure they would. But life is, shockingly, different for everyone.

So, lets all get off our high horses and stop trying to dictate what people should do. The worlds not perfect, people aren't perfect. Lets live with it.

I Don't like taxing fast food, as it's predominantly a tax on the less well off in society.

Bit narrow minded there ben. I think most people wouldn't give a damn how people lived their lives if everybody else didn't have to pay for it. Fine if the NHS was in perfect shape and over funded, but not in the current state. I think it's fair if society tries influence peoples life style as long as everybody else have to carry the financial burden of their poor choices. Isn't that socialism in your book? Or should we just give up on the poor buggers so we have someone to pity on?

[super_realist]

Super

I think a macdonalds meal is about £5/6 and you claim to be feeding yourself healthily for less than this per day. Any chance you could share some recipes because I tend to eat healthily and make most meals from scratch but would struggle to spend less than £10 for anything remotely interesting.

Of course I'm feeding myself for less than £5 or £6 (or $8 in your money), bearing in mind I'm not what you call a "foodie" and I don't really buy meat other than seafood.


Breakfast (5-6 bowls of cereal per packet ) =44p per day

Grapefruit                                                =50p per day


Lunch= Pre Prepared Pasta/Prawns/Sauce/Cous Cous = £1.15 per day

Dinner= Soup with bread, fruit.                 = £2:10  


Other, maybe some crackers @30p. Grand Total: £4.49

That's a lot cheaper than one meal in McDonalds and still allows room for a few treats in there too. Also, I could still have room to make that much more interesting and still be cheaper than going down the fast food route. For example, A McDonalds meal is just ONE meal. How much is being a lazy git actually costing you when you have three meals to pay for? £10-12? Thing is too, if you're a peasant with very little money, your food doesn't need to be interesting, it simply has to be cheap and nutritious. So it doesn't need to be a gourmet meal.

Mcdonalds et al being taxed higher is not a tax on the poor in the slightest. Fruit, veg, pasta etc is not expensive. Have you seen how cheap loose potatoes, carrots, brocolli, beans, parsnips, courgettes etc are? A bunch of bananas is about a quid.

You can eat a lot cheaper (and significantly healthier) than going to McDonalds or buying a pizza.

Also, being single, no children etc has nothing to do with it. We all have much more time then we admit to. How much time do people spend watching tv, on their phones, social media, in a traffic jam when they could walk, in a lift when they could take the stairs, sitting at their desk at lunch when they could be out for a walk.

[super_realist]

What I gather, is that realist is a single guy with no family. Who has time and money to live who he wants to live.

You live your life and stop dictating how you think people should live when you have no experiences.

If people could all live well, eat healthily,not drink, drug or smoke to excess I am sure they would. But life is, shockingly, different for everyone.

So, lets all get off our high horses and stop trying to dictate what people should do. The worlds not perfect, people aren't perfect. Lets live with it.

I Don't like taxing fast food, as it's predominantly a tax on the less well off in society.

You're right, the world isn't perfect and neither are people, but the least I expect is for people to make an effort as their lack of effort costs all of us money to pay for their slovenly attitude.

I paid a ridiculous amount of money in tax last year, and whilst I don't necessarily begrudge that I'm absolutely certain that all that money that all of us pay every year could be put to better uses if people weren't putting so much strain on our services by having a bit more self respect and taking better care of themselves.
I don't see that as being unreasonable at all. Why am I paying for people to indulge in such a lifestyle? Obesity is killing the NHS. I'd much rather there were fewer people like this and my taxes were put towards methods which were increasing cancer rate survival for instance and actually helping people who have diseases and afflictions that they can do nothing about.

We all have a responsibility for that, and if taxing the source of their fatness and de facto forcing them out of their laziness in regards to food choice and to eat healthier by a lack of alternative then so be it. Taxing fast food won't make people starve, so it's not a tax on the poor at all. Fast food is not the cheapest nor is it the healthiest way to eat, it's simply the most convenient option for the terminally idle.

[superflyweight]

Super

I think a macdonalds meal is about £5/6 and you claim to be feeding yourself healthily for less than this per day. Any chance you could share some recipes because I tend to eat healthily and make most meals from scratch but would struggle to spend less than £10 for anything remotely interesting.

Of course I'm feeding myself for less than £5 or £6 (or $8 in your money), bearing in mind I'm not what you call a "foodie" and I don't really buy meat other than seafood.


Breakfast (5-6 bowls of cereal per packet ) =44p per day

Grapefruit                                                =50p per day


Lunch= Pre Prepared Pasta/Prawns/Sauce/Cous Cous = £1.15 per day

Dinner= Soup with bread, fruit.                 = £2:10  


Other, maybe some crackers @30p. Grand Total: £4.49

That's a lot cheaper than one meal in McDonalds and still allows room for a few treats in there too. Also, I could still have room to make that much more interesting and still be cheaper than going down the fast food route. For example, A McDonalds meal is just ONE meal. How much is being a lazy git actually costing you when you have three meals to pay for? £10-12? Thing is too, if you're a peasant with very little money, your food doesn't need to be interesting, it simply has to be cheap and nutritious. So it doesn't need to be a gourmet meal.

Mcdonalds et al being taxed higher is not a tax on the poor in the slightest. Fruit, veg, pasta etc is not expensive. Have you seen how cheap loose potatoes, carrots, brocolli, beans, parsnips, courgettes etc are? A bunch of bananas is about a quid.

You can eat a lot cheaper (and significantly healthier) than going to McDonalds or buying a pizza.

Also, being single, no children etc has nothing to do with it. We all have much more time then we admit to. How much time do people spend watching tv, on their phones, social media, in a traffic jam when they could walk, in a lift when they could take the stairs, sitting at their desk at lunch when they could be out for a walk.

"Peasant"?

[pedro]

In any case there aren't too many McD's in the countryside anyway.

[McLaren]

Super

That is grim, have you got an eating disorder?


Last night for example I made a salad with spinach and avacado topped with some poached chicken. Bought some fruit juice, coffe and fruit as well and it came to £25 (4 portions) for two. That is still £5 per portion and I had a lot of the dressing ingredients already. And I would consider that a pretty cheap meal but you claim to be getting your food for the day for less than I spend on one meal.

[superflyweight]

Super

That is grim, have you got an eating disorder?


Last night for example I made a salad with spinach and avacado topped with some poached chicken. Bought some fruit juice, coffe and fruit as well and it came to £25 (4 portions) for two. That is still £5 per portion and I had a lot of the dressing ingredients already. And I would consider that a pretty cheap meal but you claim to be getting your food for the day for less than I spend on one meal.

Or living in prison?

[kwinigolfer]

These guys are cheating; no beer, wine or, considering location, whisky.

[westisbest]

I would say not all people have time to exercise, or little time at best.
I know people who have 3/4 kids, they work 10/12 hour days most of the time.
Up early for work, get home 8-9 at night most days.
Tired after a long days work. Get home spend time with their partners. Watch a bit of tv perhaps and then off to bed.

Weekends spend time with their families, see friends.
It’s easier to find time to exercise when you are single, no kids and don’t work long hours.
I wouldn’t call it lazy, it’s just people have different lifestyles.

It’s easy for one person to look at their own life and think everybody should live the same way.
It doesn’t work like that.

[navyblueshorts]

I would say not all people have time to exercise, or little time at best.
I know people who have 3/4 kids, they work 10/12 hour days most of the time.
Up early for work, get home 8-9 at night most days.
Tired after a long days work. Get home spend time with their partners. Watch a bit of tv perhaps and then off to bed.

Weekends spend time with their families, see friends.
It’s easier to find time to exercise when you are single, no kids and don’t work long hours.
I wouldn’t call it lazy, it’s just people have different lifestyles.

It’s easy for one person to look at their own life and think everybody should live the same way.
It doesn’t work like that.

[dynamark]

So now we know that Super is very very thin .I'm not keen on the soup though for main course dinner.
Reminds me many years ago in the 60 s I told my mum I could live on £1 a week and bless her she made me do it.It was done but not a great week in the gastronomy department.
I only have the two meals a day some sort of breakfast banana,muesli and then a meal in the evening so probably about £5 a day.Then I go down the village pub and spend a tenner.
Always amuses me when in the office about 9.30 all the girls start to discuss what to have for lunch

[super_realist]

Super

That is grim, have you got an eating disorder?


Last night for example I made a salad with spinach and avacado topped with some poached chicken. Bought some fruit juice, coffe and fruit as well and it came to £25 (4 portions) for two. That is still £5 per portion and I had a lot of the dressing ingredients already. And I would consider that a pretty cheap meal but you claim to be getting your food for the day for less than I spend on one meal.

Jesus Mac, where on earth are you shopping? They saw you coming for sure. I could make that same meal for half of that. You must be shopping in Waitrose or some trendy Merchiston deli.

Why is it grim Mac? Granted it's not that exciting, but as I said, I'm not a foodie and I very rarely eat meat. Food is energy to me. Of course I like the odd nice meal, but it's not something I strive for to make everything I eat some sort of gastronomic triumph.

Not only that I walk about 8km a day, run at least 10km five times a week and row 2 miles 5 mornings a week so it's more than a sufficient amount of calories for a person.

The important point is though although you consider it meagre, it demonstrates that there is no need for people to be saying that their only option is to eat the sort of excrement served in fast food places or that fast food is a tax on the poor, because healthy, nutritious food simply doesn't have to be expensive.

By the way, I see your maths is still as bad as your spelling. £25 divided into 4 is not £5 per portion. It's £6.25.

Also, poached chicken? Why on earth would you poach chicken?

[super_realist]

I would say not all people have time to exercise, or little time at best.
I know people who have 3/4 kids, they work 10/12 hour days most of the time.
Up early for work, get home 8-9 at night most days.
Tired after a long days work. Get home spend time with their partners. Watch a bit of tv perhaps and then off to bed.

Weekends spend time with their families, see friends.
It’s easier to find time to exercise when you are single, no kids and don’t work long hours.
I wouldn’t call it lazy, it’s just people have different lifestyles.

It’s easy for one person to look at their own life and think everybody should live the same way.
It doesn’t work like that.

Yet, they still find time to stuff their fat faces with 2x the amount of calories they require?

Britain has a massive obesity problem, and while a TINY proportion of people might fall into the bracket you describe above, it's not remotely a reason for the majority of obese people being how they are.

[beninho]

I actually feel a bit sorry for realist. I'm guessing in his 40s with no wife/partner or children. Has to substitute love with fitness and excercise.

Happy fathers day to all us dads. Realist, have a good run.

[McLaren]

Super if you were reading closely you would know I also bought some stuff that wasn't part of the meal. You do the maths again?

[westisbest]

I would say not all people have time to exercise, or little time at best.
I know people who have 3/4 kids, they work 10/12 hour days most of the time.
Up early for work, get home 8-9 at night most days.
Tired after a long days work. Get home spend time with their partners. Watch a bit of tv perhaps and then off to bed.

Weekends spend time with their families, see friends.
It’s easier to find time to exercise when you are single, no kids and don’t work long hours.
I wouldn’t call it lazy, it’s just people have different lifestyles.

It’s easy for one person to look at their own life and think everybody should live the same way.
It doesn’t work like that.

Yet, they still find time to stuff their fat faces with 2x the amount of calories they require?

Britain has a massive obesity problem, and while a TINY proportion of people might fall into the bracket you describe above, it's not remotely a reason for the majority of obese people being how they are.

Ok, well you don’t know what they eat, so that’s a stupid comment.

Also how do you know it’s a tiny proportion. Do you have facts and figures in front of you?
Yes there a lot of obese people, but also a lot of people that are not obese.

Just curious, you seem to think you everything, so was just wondering.

[McLaren]

Super

If food is just fuel why don't you just eat 3 bowls of porridge a day and maybe some apples and bananas?

[super_realist]

I find the sight of porridge to be revolting Mac, I've never eaten it and it wouldn't be nutritious enough anyway.
Even if you don't include the coffee and fruit juice, where the f**k are you shopping where you spend £20 on such a bog standard meal for two even if it was enough for two days? You've paid way more than is necessary. You can get 4 organic chicken breasts for about £8, so why are you spending £12 on vegetables? You'd been had.

As for Westy asking how I know that it's a tiny proportion who work 10 hours a day and have 4 kids. I don't know for certain, any more than you know it to be the norm (or enough to be used as any sort of excuse for Britain's obesity crisis (which actually is a crisis unlike the so called environmental emergency)), but I can't think of anyone I know who falls into that bracket, whilst the UK census shows that most people do not have 4 children. People in the UK have 1.7 kids on average according to NOS

Sort of begs the question though, why on earth have 4 kids if you have to work 10 hours a day to support them?
There have always been people who have had 4 kids and worked 10 hours a day, but they haven't always been fat, so that's not the reason, or even an excuse. Just sounds like someone failing to take personal responsibility and looking to blame someone or something else (as usual in useless Britain)

[super_realist]

I actually feel a bit sorry for realist. I'm guessing in his 40s with no wife/partner or children. Has to substitute love with fitness and excercise.

Happy fathers day to all us dads. Realist, have a good run.

Everyone should have a fitness and exercise regime. Why would you give it up just because you're in a relationship?

[beninho]

Realist, find soneone who loves you, and comr back to me when you have 2 kids under 5 and tell me your life hasn't changed. Until then live in your bubble all alone.

[beninho]

It's going to be Boris isn't it? At least May won't stay as the worst pm ever for long!

[JAS]

I actually feel a bit sorry for realist. I'm guessing in his 40s with no wife/partner or children. Has to substitute love with fitness and excercise.

Happy fathers day to all us dads. Realist, have a good run.

Everyone should have a fitness and exercise regime. Why would you give it up just because you're in a relationship?

...said this before on this thread but on that point Super is actually bang on. I perhaps wouldn’t argue it in the same “hearts and minds winning way” but Supers point IS very valid.

I’d add another which surprisingly hasn’t been brought up yet and that is stress and the effect the that stress hormone cortisol has on the body. It’s really not good and if we’re honest there’s a lot more stress among ordinary working people now than say a decade or 2 ago. It does amplify the individual’s situation too because exercise is thee single biggest antidote to stress there is. Do not exercising is making a stressful situation worse and causes more Cortisol to course around the body laying down health issue after health issue.

Get out there people, make the time, somehow. If you drop dead from a heart attack after working 10-12 hour days your employer isn’t going to pat you on the back and say well done you!! Life is too short to be a bloody corporate slave.

[pedro]

This couple has figured it out. sort of.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9310591/instagram-couple-slammed-paying-holiday/

..when you have the impact we do on others' life, getting a job is not an option.

[Roller_Coaster]

It's going to be Boris isn't it? At least May won't stay as the worst pm ever for long!

It is. She won't. Then neither will BJ as his ineptitude and bumbling will clear the way for an even worse one.

[Roller_Coaster]

This couple has figured it out. sort of.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9310591/instagram-couple-slammed-paying-holiday/

..when you have the impact we do on others' life, getting a job is not an option.

t wats

[JAS]

It's going to be Boris isn't it? At least May won't stay as the worst pm ever for long!

Fascinating YouGov survey of Con party members out today about Brexit and its potential effects. The majority want Brexit even if it means
Scotland leaving the Union
N Ireland leaving the union
Significant economic damage
The Conservative party torn apart
The strange thing is though they would actually sacrifice Brexit to stop JC getting into Number 10

What an odd value system they have!! Of course if they select Johnson there will be a fair to middling chance of ALL of the above!!

[pedro]

Politics through a glory hole: It feels good in the moment and you don't have to think about the world outside.

[dynamark]

I also think stopping JC and his gang is top priority(last one out switch the lights off) but its going to be a tough one to win an election for the Tories maybe our system is about to change .
More serious question -where is Diggers- off the grid for some time and we've had politics on the board.Hope he is Ok and back on the bike soon.On food just been into M & S on the way home and some luvly stuff for £7 for 2 main meals.I like that store because I'm often the youngest person in there.Average customer age must be around 70 think that is one of their major problems.

[Roller_Coaster]

I also think stopping JC and his gang is top priority(last one out switch the lights off) but its going to be a tough one to win an election for the Tories maybe our system is about to change .
More serious question -where is Diggers- off the grid for some time and we've had politics on the board.Hope he is  Ok and back on the bike soon.On food just been into M & S on the way home and some luvly stuff for £7  for 2 main meals.I like that store because I'm often the youngest person in there.Average customer age must be around 70 think that is one of their major problems.

Where's your moral fibre? Back in t'war we'd feed oursen on t'scraps and gravel. All for less than 1 dence a portion. Never did us any harm. Except rickets, kwashiorkor and scurvy. I tells thee, thy's all fat f*cks coz t'thy dunt care.

[McLaren]

Dyna or other brexit supporters, how well do your views line up with this survey?

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1140885366360203264?s=19

[navyblueshorts]

It's going to be Boris isn't it? At least May won't stay as the worst pm ever for long!

Fascinating YouGov survey of Con party members out today about Brexit and its potential effects. The majority want Brexit even if it means
Scotland leaving the Union
N Ireland leaving the union
Significant economic damage
The Conservative party torn apart
The strange thing is though they would actually sacrifice Brexit to stop JC getting into Number 10

What an odd value system they have!! Of course if they select Johnson there will be a fair to middling chance of ALL of the above!!

They've probably all hedged significant bets/investments on the above all happening, so it's a huge win for them and the rest of us can f*** off and die.

[navyblueshorts]

I also think stopping JC and his gang is top priority(last one out switch the lights off) but its going to be a tough one to win an election for the Tories maybe our system is about to change .
More serious question -where is Diggers- off the grid for some time and we've had politics on the board.Hope he is  Ok and back on the bike soon.On food just been into M & S on the way home and some luvly stuff for £7  for 2 main meals.I like that store because I'm often the youngest person in there.Average customer age must be around 70 think that is one of their major problems.

I'm sure he's fine; just hacked off with some of the content here.

[Be_the_ball]

I also think stopping JC and his gang is top priority(last one out switch the lights off) but its going to be a tough one to win an election for the Tories maybe our system is about to change .
More serious question -where is Diggers- off the grid for some time and we've had politics on the board.Hope he is  Ok and back on the bike soon.On food just been into M & S on the way home and some luvly stuff for £7  for 2 main meals.I like that store because I'm often the youngest person in there.Average customer age must be around 70 think that is one of their major problems.

I'm sure he's fine; just hacked off with some of the content here.

Mental busy with exams & student prep I would imagine.

[dynamark]

Roller I actually live in shoe box in the M1 central reservation and eat gravel( anyone remember that sketch)
Mac I wouldn't want Nig as PM for certain but he has had an impact which may well be what does change our political system.I go back to a long held view that I'm not expecting any political party to do anything directly for me Ill look after myself and those that matter thanks very much.

[beninho]

Wasted an hour of my life watching the 5 tories. What an absolute Poopie. Very little answering questions and Maitliss had no control. But how they think tax cuts should be a thing is crazy. How anyone can realistically think tax cuts are needed after years of austerity and underfunding services has had such an.impact. this country is crazy.

Hunt is the only one who looks like a prine minister, and I mean tgat literally. Like an actor in a rom com.

[super_realist]

Realist, find soneone who loves you, and comr back to me when you have 2 kids under 5 and tell me your life hasn't changed. Until then live in your bubble all alone.

I didn't say your life doesn't change, I didn't even infer it, but it's absolutely hilarious to suggest that you can't find half an hour in the day for a bit of exercise or that you have to eat bad food.
I'm an uncle 6 times over and I have plenty friends with kids. I see the effect it has on people, but it doesn't mean you don't have time to do things. Why are people actively looking for reasons not to take care of themselves? Seems symptomatic of our society that we always look to blame something else. No wonder we're in such a mess.

[super_realist]

I actually feel a bit sorry for realist. I'm guessing in his 40s with no wife/partner or children. Has to substitute love with fitness and excercise.

Happy fathers day to all us dads. Realist, have a good run.

Everyone should have a fitness and exercise regime. Why would you give it up just because you're in a relationship?

...said this before on this thread but on that point Super is actually bang on. I perhaps wouldn’t argue it in the same “hearts and minds winning way” but Supers point IS very valid.

I’d add another which surprisingly hasn’t been brought up yet and that is stress and the effect the that stress hormone cortisol has on the body. It’s really not good and if we’re honest there’s a lot more stress among ordinary working people now than say a decade or 2 ago. It does amplify the individual’s situation too because exercise is thee single biggest antidote to stress there is. Do not exercising is making a stressful situation worse and causes more Cortisol to course around the body laying down health issue after health issue.

Get out there people, make the time, somehow. If you drop dead from a heart attack after working 10-12 hour days your employer isn’t going to pat you  on the back and say well done you!! Life is too short to be a bloody corporate slave.

The mental health benefit of exercise is also a very good point JAS. Fit and active people have lower risk of alzheimers and mental illness in general. Being obese also increases the risk of cancer, so why wouldn't you want to do something about it instead of making excuses as to why you are?

[super_realist]

I also think stopping JC and his gang is top priority(last one out switch the lights off) but its going to be a tough one to win an election for the Tories maybe our system is about to change .
More serious question -where is Diggers- off the grid for some time and we've had politics on the board.Hope he is  Ok and back on the bike soon.On food just been into M & S on the way home and some luvly stuff for £7  for 2 main meals.I like that store because I'm often the youngest person in there.Average customer age must be around 70 think that is one of their major problems.

I'm sure he's fine; just hacked off with some of the content here.

He's probably exploded. He was working himself into a frenzy about Brexit like a crazy Swedish teenager about the "climate emergency". Do hope he is ok though.

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