Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[McLaren]

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Navy

And what super has also missed is that the statues and TV shows are not really the main focus of the protests. They are easy news bites to bring up but the meat of the protesters argument is about equality for black people.

I also don't think super is correct that just because you support BLM you don't also worry about atrocities committed in other spheres of life. It is just that currently the focus is on racism towards black people.

As much as he hates America, Super would really fit into their libertarian ways.

[westisbest]

Some good stuff in Primark.

Not for everyone though I suppose.

[pedro]

Dyna

Stop being a selfish git. Just accept we will have to make sacrifices for the greater good at this point. Boo hoo some people don't get to go to primmark for a week or so.

You forgot to call him a racist.

[dynamark]

Mac got out of bed wrong side -again.Missing the point completely the actions of a smallish minority in very specific areas have affected close on half a million folk.Business will close and jobs will go .My firm has shut down the office again and stopped work on properties in that area.Guys working alone in an empty house using PPE are being sent home.Local authourites not exactly covered themselves in glory because nobody want to tackle the issue for fear of loosing support.

[navyblueshorts]

Seriously, in this case, why not just let the guy run away and pick him up later? Not like they didn't know who he was.

Thats ludicrous navy.

You think? Why, pray? Shooting him in the back is better? Now, that's ludicrous. OK, maybe chase him, or call for backup. Whatever else is better than shooting a man in the back who's running away. If they just want to shoot people, why not can the pretending and give them camouflage fatigues and military gear?

The suggestion that police should simply let offenders run away is ludicrous. What message does that send to would-be felons and the wider community? Police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

It's common sense, or perhaps clever policing. It's not like I'm suggesting they wouldn't arrest him later, but if all they could do at that moment was mow him down, they're a round (or several) short of a full chamber.

[super_realist]

Why didn't they just get off their fat arses and chase him on foot? He was a fat, drunk man. A snail on crutches could have caught him without a shot being fired.

[Soul Requiem]

Police in America proportionally kill 60 times more people than here in the UK so the suggestion that it's the only option is absurd, of the 11 killed in the UK since the beginning of 2017 5 of them were in the midst of a terrorist act. If you think shooting someone in the back is your only option that your moral compass is the problem.

[beninho]

Police in America proportionally kill 60 times more people than here in the UK so the suggestion that it's the only option is absurd, of the 11 killed in the UK since the beginning of 2017 5 of them were in the midst of a terrorist act. If you think shooting someone in the back is your only option that your moral compass is the problem.

Oi, get off my side of the fence, it takes the fun away.

[incontinentia]

Why didn't they just get off their fat arses and chase him on foot? He was a fat, drunk man. A snail on crutches could have caught him without a shot being fired.

Both cops already had already struggled with him physically and failed to restrain him. Which is pretty embarrassing for them tbh.

[McLaren]

Interesting move by boris to offer the chance of UK citizenship for Hong Kong residents. Although I am not sure what the caveats are, I assume some of those living in Hong Kong won't be allowed to move to the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53246899

[super_realist]

You should have read the article Mac, it tells you there.

[Soul Requiem]

Interesting move by boris to offer the chance of UK citizenship for Hong Kong residents. Although I am not sure what the caveats are, I assume some of those living in Hong Kong won't be allowed to move to the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53246899

The caveat being a person must hold or be eligible for a BNO passport, it says in the article.

[McLaren]

Yes but do there children or partners get in as well?

[McLaren]

Also what is a BNO, are we talking the white British guys that worked there in the banks during the 80's or "real" Hong Kong people?

[super_realist]

Also what is a BNO, are we talking the white British guys that worked there in the banks during the 80's or "real" Hong Kong people?

Just knew you'd try and dig out a race element to this. Nothing if not predictable Mac.

[JuliusHMarx]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53257835

They should have interviewed dynamark.

[dynamark]

Yes Im watching that news closely JM.
The report did confirm a concentration of cases in the north evington ward.Thats the small area I was referring to highfields and north Evington.Very dense area lots of manufacturing which didn't stop by all accounts and the residents have lets say a way of life which involves very social close contact within the extended families.I worked the area every day for a year its a different culture.
Oadby 3 miles away couldn't be more different but the authourities have had to throw a very large blanket over quite a small area to get the desired effect.
Bradford Barnsley and Rochdale next worse on the list may be similar background.

[dynamark]

This will make you smile .Email from golf club seniors section to say that 9 members of seniors live within the Leicester shut down area and they have been e mailed and asked not to go to the golf club until further notice -bit harsh bearing in mind how most of these guys play golf very social distanced.This morning I drove to the garage for fuel only 400 yards and when I got back I thought heck ive just broken the rules! strictly.

[McLaren]

Super

I see the 5 mile for leisure rule is relaxed as of tomorrow, in scotland. Hopefully means you can get some more golf in.

[super_realist]

Super

I see the 5 mile for leisure rule is relaxed as of tomorrow, in scotland. Hopefully means you can get some more golf in.

Very good Mac.

Not very happy about mandatory face coverings in shops though given the fairly patchy evidence they are any use.

[westisbest]

I went for an appointment at the hospital for my knee on Tuesday.

Didn’t like wearing a mask tbh. Bit uncomfortable. Fair play to those who have to wear one 12+ hours a day.

Celebrities, certainly in the states seem to be very much in favour of wearing masks, from what I’ve seen on social media. Pretty much 24/7.

[McLaren]

Prince Andrew will be sweating now.

[super_realist]

Prince Andrew will be sweating now.

The Royals are not doing too well right now with Harry and Meghan also embarrassing themselves too.

[beninho]

Super

I see the 5 mile for leisure rule is relaxed as of tomorrow, in scotland. Hopefully means you can get some more golf in.

Very good Mac.

Not very happy about mandatory face coverings in shops though given the fairly patchy evidence they are any use.

Hi realist, big fan of your work.


You seem to be very big in protesters and people out and about, yet I'm surprised you are not happy with the face mask rule. Is it because you just want to moan about people rather then having concerm for the general population?

I'm genuinely surprised that someone with your history of concern about people breaking rules, for minor offences, is not happy about face covering. Which I think most people can accept as probably a good thing.

This may interest you. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

But, im honestly surprised that you haven't gone anywhere in full on ppe, considering your concerns.

[super_realist]

As usual Beninho you only see things from one point of view and are incapable of considering problems that might come up as a result and have no understanding that someone could be approaching the issue from a different aspect than your solitary route one angle.

First of all there is zero evidence that masks protect anyone from getting coronavirus and it is only considered that they might help reduce the chances of passing it on.

My issue is that given I live  in a part of the UK where there are fewer than 10 new cases per day and in which fewer than 500 people who actually have it in hospital why it is necessary now, but not at any time in the last three months when it might actually have done some good if the evidence is so strong?

If its such a great idea and so effective at preventing spread, why not implement it when the infection rate was actually high rather than virtually nil?

Furthermore if wearing a face mask so important then why not implement it immediately instead of waiting until the 9th of July? It makes no sense to wait if its so beneficial.

To me it simply appears that the SNP are trying to look proactive and usurping the UK government in deliberately taking a different line, trying to fool people into thinking that Scotland is doing more to protect itself, when the horse bolted months ago and its appears to be nothing more than a token gesture given the low rates of infection and death at present.

More importantly though and my main concern is the false sense of security that it could give people and that people may forget about social distancing, hand washing etc in that they might believe that they are better protected because of a piece of paper between them and someone else when there is a huge amount of warning about poorly fitting  masks, not being worn well, lack of filters etc.

Hope that makes my concerns clear to your infantile cycicism.

[beninho]

That link I shared, has evidence about the usefulness of masks. So that should relay your concerns. It also mentions about the changing views on masks, so again, hopefully that explains that a bit for you.

Though, im sure you can understand why now, is also because mire people are out, with more shops being open, and people not being expected to stay in doors as much as before. Therefore an extra protection is being implemented. Seems reasonable and sensible. Does that not make sense?

Social distancing is not always possible. When this isn't a given, like shopping and sone work environments, a mask is clearly a help.

The false sense of security seems a red herring, but that is sonething you won't have evidence for, which is what I thought you always wanted.

[super_realist]

That link I shared, has evidence about the usefulness of masks. So that should relay your concerns.  It also mentions about the changing views on masks, so again, hopefully that explains that a bit for you.

Though,  im sure you can understand why now, is also because mire people are out, with more shops being open, and people not being expected to stay in doors as much as before. Therefore an extra protection is being implemented. Seems reasonable and sensible. Does that not make sense?

Social distancing is not always possible.  When this isn't a given, like shopping and sone work environments, a mask is clearly a help.

The false sense of security seems a red herring, but that is sonething you won't have evidence for, which is what I thought you always wanted.

How is it a red herring? You underestimate how stupid the British are.

How is social distancing not always possible? It has been for the last three months, why not now?

[beninho]

No one should wear masks because you think sone people are stupid? Thats your view.

Of course social distancing has not always been possible throughout the process. Do you think its been a constant throughout?

[westisbest]

Fancy your chances against Fleetwood Ben?

4 tricky teams in that play off. Tough to call who will go up.

From a Villa point of view it will be interesting, as we will more than likely be playing of them next season.

Anyway good luck.

[beninho]

Fancy your chances against Fleetwood Ben?

4 tricky teams in that play off. Tough to call who will go up.

From a Villa point of view it will be interesting, as we will more than likely be playing of them next season.

Anyway good luck.

I don't think I have ever fancied our chances in any game! I was worried about relegation until a few weeks before the season stopped!

I don't think we will go up, but I think the manager has done an absolutely remarkable job getting us where he has. A lot going on at the club, and a league 2 budget. A team of oldies, like Akinfenwa and some youngsters. But, a great spirit, shown by his many cone back after being on loan or being sold.

[super_realist]

No one should wear masks because you think sone people are stupid? Thats your view.

Of course social distancing has not always been possible throughout the process. Do you think its been a constant throughout?

Usual fake credulity from you have you considered a job as a BBC journalist? Social distancing has always been possible for people going shopping which was your point. WHy has that all of a sudden changed, especially when it is now reduced to one metre as of tomorrow for Engerland? The fact that people have chosen not to social distance is in contrast to whether it was actually possible.

I've also not said that people "should not" wear facemasks, but if it's so important in shops, why is Sturgeon waiting a week to implement it?, and then one week later open up the pubs and restaurants when by the very nature of those establishments a facemask can't be used. So why bother making facemasks mandatory in shops? Seems more like something they can use in forthcoming political arguments and a way of trying to excuse them from their terrible death rates.

[beninho]

so you think people should wear face masks?

You hate the idea, but haven't said they shouldn't, but argue against them being introduced. I am honestly confused where you stand.

[super_realist]

so you think people should wear face masks?

I'm questioning the timing of Scotland making them mandatory in shops (and waiting a week to implement it) seeing as you are finding it so hard to follow.

If it's so important to wear a mask in a shop, why are they allowing the pubs and restaurant to open a week later. So you can go shopping on a Saturday and be forced to wear a mask, but then you can go out for the rest of the day in pubs and restaurants and not have to wear them?

[Soul Requiem]

No one should wear masks because you think sone people are stupid? Thats your view.

Of course social distancing has not always been possible throughout the process. Do you think its been a constant throughout?

Usual fake credulity from you have you considered a job as a BBC journalist? Social distancing has always been possible for people going shopping which was your point.  WHy has that all of a sudden changed, especially when it is now reduced to one metre as of tomorrow for Engerland? The fact that people have chosen not to social distance is in contrast to whether it was actually possible.

I've also not said that people "should not" wear facemasks, but if it's so important in shops, why is Sturgeon waiting a week to implement it?, and then one week later open up the pubs and restaurants when by the very nature of those establishments a facemask can't be used. So why bother making facemasks mandatory in shops? Seems more like something they can use in forthcoming political arguments and a way of trying to excuse them from their terrible death rates.

No it hasn't, it's still 2 metres where possible and that includes shops. The 1m+ rule applies to the hospitality sector.

[beninho]

so you think people should wear face masks?

I'm questioning the timing of Scotland making them mandatory in shops (and waiting a week to implement it) seeing as you are finding it so hard to follow.

If it's so important to wear a mask in a shop, why are they allowing the pubs and restaurant to open a week later. So you can go shopping on a Saturday and be forced to wear a mask, but then you can go out for the rest of the day in pubs and restaurants and not have to wear them?

Think people may struggle to eat or drink with a face mask on.

[beninho]

so you think people should wear face masks?

I'm questioning the timing of Scotland making them mandatory in shops (and waiting a week to implement it) seeing as you are finding it so hard to follow.

If it's so important to wear a mask in a shop, why are they allowing the pubs and restaurant to open a week later. So you can go shopping on a Saturday and be forced to wear a mask, but then you can go out for the rest of the day in pubs and restaurants and not have to wear them?

Still confused. Do you think people should or shouldn't wear face mask when shopping or on public transport?

[super_realist]

No one should wear masks because you think sone people are stupid? Thats your view.

Of course social distancing has not always been possible throughout the process. Do you think its been a constant throughout?

Usual fake credulity from you have you considered a job as a BBC journalist? Social distancing has always been possible for people going shopping which was your point.  WHy has that all of a sudden changed, especially when it is now reduced to one metre as of tomorrow for Engerland? The fact that people have chosen not to social distance is in contrast to whether it was actually possible.

I've also not said that people "should not" wear facemasks, but if it's so important in shops, why is Sturgeon waiting a week to implement it?, and then one week later open up the pubs and restaurants when by the very nature of those establishments a facemask can't be used. So why bother making facemasks mandatory in shops? Seems more like something they can use in forthcoming political arguments and a way of trying to excuse them from their terrible death rates.

No it hasn't, it's still 2 metres where possible and that includes shops. The 1m+ rule applies to the hospitality sector.

Actually, that's not quite true that it only applies to the hospitality sector.

According to Boris Johnson ‘Where it is possible to keep two metres apart you should, where it is not, people should keep a distance of one metre plus.’

It's been implemented to help out the hospitality sector, but it's not restricted to it.

[super_realist]

so you think people should wear face masks?

I'm questioning the timing of Scotland making them mandatory in shops (and waiting a week to implement it) seeing as you are finding it so hard to follow.

If it's so important to wear a mask in a shop, why are they allowing the pubs and restaurant to open a week later. So you can go shopping on a Saturday and be forced to wear a mask, but then you can go out for the rest of the day in pubs and restaurants and not have to wear them?

Think people may struggle to eat or drink with a face mask on.

Yes, but what is more likely to spread the disease? A large well ventilated supermarket with people keeping social distancing and that you are in and out in half an hour or a small pub or restaurant with people breathing the same air for hours on end with new people coming and going at all times?

I see it as a political move from Sturgeon, rather than one with any real benefits. Guaranteed she'll turn round in 6 months time and claim that she introduced mandatory face masks whilst the rest of the UK did not.

[super_realist]

so you think people should wear face masks?

I'm questioning the timing of Scotland making them mandatory in shops (and waiting a week to implement it) seeing as you are finding it so hard to follow.

If it's so important to wear a mask in a shop, why are they allowing the pubs and restaurant to open a week later. So you can go shopping on a Saturday and be forced to wear a mask, but then you can go out for the rest of the day in pubs and restaurants and not have to wear them?

Still confused. Do you think people should or shouldn't wear face mask when shopping or on public transport?

I don't think it should be mandatory in a shop, can't speak for public transport because I rarely use it.

[beninho]

Glad we got that cleared up, sort of. Public transport?

[super_realist]

On public transport, it's probably an environment in which spread is more likely, and despite not using public transport (i'd rather walk anyway) I can see why it is mandatory.

Do you think facemasks should be mandatory in public, and what do you think of people when you see them wearing masks whilst alone in their own car, that seems ridiculous.

[beninho]

I honestly don't have a strong opinion. I wear one at work when I deal with people. I haven't ever worn one into a shop. I can see the benefits so maybe I am just a massive hypocrite. I don't get public transport, but people coming into work do, and we provide masks and gloves for them.

In cars looks strange, but then no idea about whether its a shared car.

[dynamark]

When we go into tenants houses we use mask,gloves and shoe coverings plus hand cleaner after.We also ask a series of questions before going in.All fair enough
As of today Im being asked to fill in a questionnaire on I phone going through those questions and then to sign the final line to say that I the surveyor have deemed that the property is safe to enter.
Now I have seriously questioned signing that as I am merely carrying out a risk assessment not accepting responsibility for the area being 'safe'.Company covering their ample backside ?

[super_realist]

When we go into tenants houses we use mask,gloves and shoe coverings plus hand cleaner after.We also ask a series of questions before going in.All fair enough
As of today Im being asked to fill in a questionnaire on I phone going through those questions and then to sign the final line to say that I the surveyor have deemed that the property is safe to enter.
Now I have seriously questioned signing that as I am merely carrying out a risk assessment not accepting responsibility for the area being 'safe'.Company covering their ample backside ?

Considering the state of some people's houses that would be the least of what I'd wear.

[incontinentia]

Prince Andrew will be sweating now.

Damn right. Massive suspicion around that dude, personally I believe he is guilty as sin. Did anyone of you watch the recent netflix show on Epstein? Bill Clinton seemed to be a good friend of his, and although none of the victims interviewed said they saw him do anything wrong, Clinton denied visiting Epstein's island despite multiple witnesses seeing him there and flight records that prove he did. A liar to the very core he is.

There is a conspiracy theory going around that Epstein was an Israeli spy, and although I don't usually pay much heed to such things, there are some interesting questions arising from the whole situation, e.g. Epstein's assets suggest a much larger fortune than he is stated to have, does his fortune have anything to do with Robert Maxwell's fortune that mysteriously disappeared etc etc.

[JAS]

so you think people should wear face masks?

I'm questioning the timing of Scotland making them mandatory in shops (and waiting a week to implement it) seeing as you are finding it so hard to follow.

If it's so important to wear a mask in a shop, why are they allowing the pubs and restaurant to open a week later. So you can go shopping on a Saturday and be forced to wear a mask, but then you can go out for the rest of the day in pubs and restaurants and not have to wear them?

Still confused. Do you think people should or shouldn't wear face mask when shopping or on public transport?

I don't think it should be mandatory in a shop, can't speak for public transport because I rarely use it.

All things considered don't you think Krankie and the Scottish government has plotted a much better way out of this than Boris?. I'd put N.I. in the same boat. Their paths out of lockdown up until now has been much more careful, reserved and clear which is clearly borne out in the stats over the past month. I know you'll say "ah different demographics blah blah blah" but that can easily be countered by knowing your demographics and acting accordingly. Sturgeon has quite clearly put lives before prosperity (the flip side of that is she's storing up a ever growing economic issue). Boris is more and more getting sucked into actions based on economics rather than lives, that's a gamble and if it pays off, fine, if it doesn't he'll have the worst of both worlds.

[super_realist]

Not at all JAS.
Scotland has a terrible record on deaths, PPE delivery and testing. No amount of well choreographed press announcements changes that fact.

As for coming out better, it's very much a case of inertia. It's obvious that a smaller country will recover quicker than a larger one. One is like trying to turn round a fishing boat, the other a battleship. You can't expect the changes to follow another country and happen at exactly the same rate, plus you have to add in the problems England have had proportionally with beaches, parties, MP's and protests lengthening the recovery.

Even if England had done what Scotland has done they'd still be lagging behind because of larger populations take longer to respond to changes. Its pretty obvious.

[dynamark]

Correct Super - I have seen some very strange and frankly unhealthy things over the years.
One house we thought had black curtains but when we broke in and found him asleep in the corner it was just dirt on the windows-he said he had lets things go a bit since his wife died.RSPCA took the dog into care but we couldn't find a charity or helper for him !

[JAS]

Correct Super - I have seen some very strange and frankly unhealthy things over the years.
One house we thought had black curtains but when we broke in and found him asleep in the corner it was just dirt on the windows-he said he had lets things go a bit since his wife died.RSPCA took the dog into care but we couldn't find a charity or helper for him !

Just goes to show a) Nobody knows what's round the corner and b) how they'll deal with it. Having been through being widowed I thought I handled it fine (I never went to seed/let my curtains/windows go so dirty they looked black). However when I look back now at how I lived that section of my life (the first 5-6 years after) I was quite clearly a mess. Ok I ran 2 marathons in that period and got my handicap down to 4, partied in some exotic locations and played some world renowned bucket list courses. Those were my escapes and to be honest I overly focussed on them rather than the day to day basics. Maybe I should have worked more on family relationships, job, investment decisions etc because I'm still dealing now with mistakes on all those fronts. Luckily I found a good woman or rather a good woman found me. She even takes it on the chin when I tell her my more balanced lifestyle with her has caused my handicap to go from 4 to 7.

[westisbest]

Prince Andrew will be sweating now.

Damn right. Massive suspicion around that dude, personally I believe he is guilty as sin. Did anyone of you watch the recent netflix show on Epstein? Bill Clinton seemed to be a good friend of his, and although none of the victims interviewed said they saw him do anything wrong, Clinton denied visiting Epstein's island despite multiple witnesses seeing him there and flight records that prove he did. A liar to the very core he is.

There is a conspiracy theory going around that Epstein was an Israeli spy, and although I don't usually pay much heed to such things, there are some interesting questions arising from the whole situation, e.g. Epstein's assets suggest a much larger fortune than he is stated to have, does his fortune have anything to do with Robert Maxwell's fortune that mysteriously disappeared etc etc.

I watched it inco.
Shocking stuff that went on.

I hope Prince Andrew and co get what they deserve.

Money talks eh.

[super_realist]

I think Prince Andrew is an honorary member of the R & A. Wonder if they will revoke that.

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