Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Should we be there?

Well if you dont mind whats happening now and support sharia law then I guess not.

[McLaren]

Isn't the NHS regularly rated in the top ten healthcare systems in the world?

I'm not denying it's mismanaged but there is a degree of assuming everywhere else is better.

Im not saying everywhere else is better but theres a lot of places that have shorter waiting times, better diagnosis and recovery, cancer survival, more beds per head of population etc.

If the NHS was such a great system, why has no other country implemented it?

Super, you can't compare with other countries.

[McLaren]

Hey Super, what are your current thoughts on the ultimate asylum seeker?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58573501


And you have to admit, she is pretty tidy now.

With a cool nike cap to boot.

[beninho]

I saw something about the crossover between people shouting 15 year old can't choose whether to have the vaccine and Begum was old enough to now what she was doing was pretty high.

[super_realist]

Hey Super, what are your current thoughts on the ultimate asylum seeker?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58573501


And you have to admit, she is pretty tidy now.

With a cool nike cap to boot.

She woyldnt be an asylum seeker Mac.
Hearing her speak though, i dont think ive heard a more thick person this side of Harry and Meghan.

[super_realist]

40,000 is what, 3% of the workforce of 1.3m.

40,000 people earning over 100,000k Ben, thats 4 billion MINIMUM.
That speaks volumes about how mismanaged it is in terms of management.

[super_realist]

Hey Super, what are your current thoughts on the ultimate asylum seeker?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58573501


And you have to admit, she is pretty tidy now.

With a cool nike cap to boot.

Glad they have  fashion outlets, make up and hair dressers in the camp Mac, cant be too bad.
Cracking mother though eh? 0 for 3
Totally innocent though too, didnt for example learn torture techniques or sew bombs into vests, no, nothing like that.
Im divided whether we shohld just let her toil in a camp or bring her back and sentence her to life in some prison.
She doesnt seem very sorry.

[McLaren]

Sorry for what?

Getting indoctrinated and abused as a teenager?

[super_realist]

Sorry for what?

Getting indoctrinated and abused as a teenager?

Yeah, all of a sudden shes feigning (badly) that she's sorry and pretending to be westernised.
It wasmt that long ago that she claimed Manchester bombing was just retaliation for attacks on ISIS.

No one, not even at 15 doesnt know that joining a terrorist death cult is a bad thing. Its not exactly making the mistake of a tattoo or a piercing is it?

[McLaren]

Super

Not sure why she should put on a mawkish facade to try and look sorry for what she did. She was a kid, she fell in with the wrong man. Why punish her for it?

[beninho]

40,000 is what, 3% of the workforce of 1.3m.

40,000 people earning over 100,000k Ben, thats 4 billion MINIMUM.
That speaks volumes about how mismanaged it is in terms of management.

Struggling with the issue. Are people paid market rate for these jobs? Out of a workforce of 1.3m some will have jobs that pay over 100k. Or do you think these 40,000 should all be sacked?

[beninho]

Begum should have been brought back to face trial.

But, tge question is, do you think people, teenagers and older people, can be groomed?

[McLaren]

Face trial for what?

Getting banged under age?

[Soul Requiem]

She can rot in that camp for all I care. The cost of protecting her in this country would be a waste.

[beninho]

Face trial for what?

Getting banged under age?

For whatever crime they think she committed. Maybe they couldn't find obe, which is why they breached laws by stripping her citizenship. But it made people happy, so they did it for political reasons.

[Soul Requiem]

The supreme court ruled in favour of Priti Patel in February of this year on all grounds.

[beninho]

Yep, it did. And tge decision has been criticised by many legal experts. But, just because a decision was made in court, and upheld doesn't necessarily mean it was correct.

It was politically motivated, but I don't like tge fact that a jobe secretary can make a decision to strip citizenship away from anyobe, as they want. Making someone stateless, was, as far as I was aware, against human rights.

[Soul Requiem]

I tend to think the supreme court know what they're talking hence being in that position. So what if it was politically motivated, as far as i'm concerned you relinquish your human rights the moment you join a terrorist organisation.

[McLaren]

as far as i'm concerned you relinquish your human rights the moment you join a terrorist organisation.

As long as you are a human you have human rights.

[superflyweight]

I tend to think the supreme court know what they're talking hence being in that position. So what if it was politically motivated, as far as i'm concerned you relinquish your human rights the moment you join a terrorist organisation.

Accidental Partridge klaxon goes off.

[lostinwales]

Isn't the NHS regularly rated in the top ten healthcare systems in the world?

I'm not denying it's mismanaged but there is a degree of assuming everywhere else is better.

Depends how/what you measure, waiting times? Outcomes? Lifesaves? Cost per life saved? Throughput per capita? Range of services available? Ability to flex to changing requirements?

If the NHS is comparatively good at any of those things just measure it regularly and voila!! We have one of the best healthcare systems in the world (from somebody’s statistical viewpoint).

Gut feel (and it is only from personal experience) there is huge potential for the NHS to be what most would reasonably expect it to be, there are bureaucratic irritations that hold it back somewhat. It could do better if it was managed better and that is no sleight on those on the frontline who do an admirable job.

On a cost and result basis the NHS remarkably efficient. Its very easy to complain about bureaucracy (and that can always be improved) but by and large its a lot better than, say, US medicine. I am sure there are many other countries have as good or better systems, and we should learn from those, but going the American route is the worst possible option.

One of the fundamental reasons the NHS works well is that because its free at the point of use people look for treatment early instead of waiting until they have no choice. Catching and treating problems early is a hell of a lot cheaper and gives better outcomes than the alternative.

Health care is expensive however you look at it, just like social care, welfare or whatever. Looking after your population is always expensive and ultimately you can't avoid paying for it, you can only control how you pay for it.

[beninho]

But, if via court the citizenship is reinstated, you think they are then deserving of human rights?

[beninho]

Govt to announce the return of imperial weights and measure. How sh*t are they?

[pedro]

Govt to announce the return of imperial weights and measure. How sh*t are they?

This is crazy

[super_realist]

Govt to announce the return of imperial weights and measure. How sh*t are they?

What a stupid anti Brexit whine.
You use imperial measurements all the bloody time.

[super_realist]

Isn't the NHS regularly rated in the top ten healthcare systems in the world?

I'm not denying it's mismanaged but there is a degree of assuming everywhere else is better.

Depends how/what you measure, waiting times? Outcomes? Lifesaves? Cost per life saved? Throughput per capita? Range of services available? Ability to flex to changing requirements?

If the NHS is comparatively good at any of those things just measure it regularly and voila!! We have one of the best healthcare systems in the world (from somebody’s statistical viewpoint).

Gut feel (and it is only from personal experience) there is huge potential for the NHS to be what most would reasonably expect it to be, there are bureaucratic irritations that hold it back somewhat. It could do better if it was managed better and that is no sleight on those on the frontline who do an admirable job.

On a cost and result basis the NHS remarkably efficient. Its very easy to complain about bureaucracy (and that can always be improved) but by and large its a lot better than, say, US medicine. I am sure there are many other countries have as good or better systems, and we should learn from those, but going the American route is the worst possible option.

One of the fundamental reasons the NHS works well is that because its free at the point of use people look for treatment early instead of waiting until they have no choice. Catching and treating problems early is a hell of a lot cheaper and gives better outcomes than the alternative.

Health care is expensive however you look at it, just like social care, welfare or whatever. Looking after your population is always expensive and ultimately you can't avoid paying for it, you can only control how you pay for it.

Thata the thing though, its not just the NHS or the American system. Theres a lot of other European system which does things better, even Australia spend less per head and get better results.

[super_realist]

Begum should have been brought back to face trial.

But, tge question is, do you think people, teenagers and older people, can be groomed?

Do you think that we should have excused SS and Gestapo officers from their crimes for being indoctrinated whilst in the Hitler Youth?
Thats effectively what you and Mac are saying.

The Home Secretary at the time was Sajid Javid, he said that if we knew what he knew then we would have come to the same conclusion. Sounds like there is a lot which couldnt be reported.

[super_realist]

40,000 is what, 3% of the workforce of 1.3m.

40,000 people earning over 100,000k Ben, thats 4 billion MINIMUM.
That speaks volumes about how mismanaged it is in terms of management.

Struggling with the issue. Are people paid market rate for these jobs? Out of a workforce of 1.3m some will have jobs that pay over 100k. Or do you think these 40,000 should all be sacked?

No, i think we should look at why 48% of NHS budget isnt clinical and what 40,000 people are actually doing to merit 100k plus.

[Soul Requiem]

Govt to announce the return of imperial weights and measure. How sh*t are they?

Your issue with this is what exactly?

If merchants wish to use pound and ounces rather than grams why shouldn't they be able to, it was an absurd EU ruling in the first place.

[JAS]

Isn't the NHS regularly rated in the top ten healthcare systems in the world?

I'm not denying it's mismanaged but there is a degree of assuming everywhere else is better.

Depends how/what you measure, waiting times? Outcomes? Lifesaves? Cost per life saved? Throughput per capita? Range of services available? Ability to flex to changing requirements?

If the NHS is comparatively good at any of those things just measure it regularly and voila!! We have one of the best healthcare systems in the world (from somebody’s statistical viewpoint).

Gut feel (and it is only from personal experience) there is huge potential for the NHS to be what most would reasonably expect it to be, there are bureaucratic irritations that hold it back somewhat. It could do better if it was managed better and that is no sleight on those on the frontline who do an admirable job.

On a cost and result basis the NHS remarkably efficient. Its very easy to complain about bureaucracy (and that can always be improved) but by and large its a lot better than, say, US medicine. I am sure there are many other countries have as good or better systems, and we should learn from those, but going the American route is the worst possible option.

One of the fundamental reasons the NHS works well is that because its free at the point of use people look for treatment early instead of waiting until they have no choice. Catching and treating problems early is a hell of a lot cheaper and gives better outcomes than the alternative.

Health care is expensive however you look at it, just like social care, welfare or whatever. Looking after your population is always expensive and ultimately you can't avoid paying for it, you can only control how you pay for it.

Difficult to even compare the UKs Universal Healthcare System and the MasterCard sponsored "you'd better be rich if you need serious healthcare" quagmire that is the US system, hell that's a low bar comparison if it even is a comparison at all. Where the comparisons become interesting is when you compare to other European Nations especially the high wage, high tax, high spend countries like Sweden, Denmark etc.

The NHS is efficient in some ways but it is extremely profligate in others, without wishing to put too much of a political spin on it, Blairs PFI initiatives have a lot to answer for in terms of how much private companies suck the financial lifeblood out of the NHS

[Soul Requiem]

We've got a bit more now from Public Health England's statistics on the Delta variant. Some 12,407 people were admitted to hospital in England up to 12 September who were either confirmed or likely to have the Delta variant of Covid-19, PHE says.

Of this number, 6,230 were under the age of 50 and 6,167 were aged 50 or over.

Of the 6,230 under 50, 4,517 (73%) were unvaccinated, 848 (14%) had received one dose of vaccine and 721 (12%) had received both doses.

Of the 6,167 aged 50 or over, 1,786 (29%) were unvaccinated, 435 (7%) had received one dose of vaccine and 3,913 (63%) had received both doses.

A small number of virus samples from people admitted to hospital could not be matched with vaccination records.

At what point are the morons going to get into their heads that the vaccines do work, they're not foolproof but that figure of 73% is startling.

[JAS]

We've got a bit more now from Public Health England's statistics on the Delta variant. Some 12,407 people were admitted to hospital in England up to 12 September who were either confirmed or likely to have the Delta variant of Covid-19, PHE says.

Of this number, 6,230 were under the age of 50 and 6,167 were aged 50 or over.

Of the 6,230 under 50, 4,517 (73%) were unvaccinated, 848 (14%) had received one dose of vaccine and 721 (12%) had received both doses.

Of the 6,167 aged 50 or over, 1,786 (29%) were unvaccinated, 435 (7%) had received one dose of vaccine and 3,913 (63%) had received both doses.

A small number of virus samples from people admitted to hospital could not be matched with vaccination records.

At what point are the morons going to get into their heads that the vaccines do work, they're not foolproof but that figure of 73% is startling.

Of course they work (mostly) and the figures quoted clearly confirm that, they're not the panacea that the govt would want you to believe (the 3913 double jabbers in hospital confirm that too). However, can we even begin to contemplate the kind of utter carnage we'd be in if no vaccines had been developed yet?

[beninho]

Govt to announce the return of imperial weights and measure. How sh*t are they?

Your issue with this is what exactly?

If merchants wish to use pound and ounces rather than grams why shouldn't they be able to, it was an absurd EU ruling in the first place.

Was it an EU ruling?

[beninho]

Begum should have been brought back to face trial.

But, tge question is, do you think people, teenagers and older people, can be groomed?

Do you think that we should have excused SS and Gestapo officers from their crimes for being indoctrinated whilst in the Hitler Youth?
Thats effectively what you and Mac are saying.

The Home Secretary at the time was Sajid Javid, he said that if we knew what he knew then we would have come to the same conclusion. Sounds like there is a lot which couldnt be reported.

Then if she has broken laws, she should have been tried under those laws.

[beninho]

Govt to announce the return of imperial weights and measure. How sh*t are they?

What a stupid anti Brexit whine.
You use imperial measurements all the bloody time.

So, then what's the point of making a song and dance about something then. It's just a weird political nothing story.

[dynamark]

We have always done engines in cc but the yanks did cubic inches.What about horsepower .Cant stop just going out for a yard of ale.
Has to be a better way for paying for healthcare surely just wish I knew what it was ,I do know ive paid in well over 150k in NHI and Im now looking at private op for another new hip!

[Soul Requiem]

Govt to announce the return of imperial weights and measure. How sh*t are they?

Your issue with this is what exactly?

If merchants wish to use pound and ounces rather than grams why shouldn't they be able to, it was an absurd EU ruling in the first place.

Was it an EU ruling?

Yes, it was introduced by the EU in 1994. All goods sold within the EU had to use the metric system rather than choosing for themselves.

[beninho]

But we had a weights and measure act in 1985? And even now prices can be marked in pounds and ounces.

So, what difference will this make?

[Soul Requiem]

Well there are plenty of traditionalists out there who don't wish to mark up in metric, this makes zero difference to your life at yet you still moan.

[beninho]

I moan because I wish thus country was run by people who were better. And not people who will try and trumpet something which is no different to what it is now, and will probably make no difference to the vast majority of the country.

A party who try and look tough on asylum seekers, knowing though that what they say, is likely breaching international laws.

I wish we had a better government, who actually dealt with important things.

Alas, we don't, and we have people who lap the nonsense up. But then don't care about the decrease on UC or the money grab impact of a ni increase under the guise of social care, when it's nothing of the sort. People who don't care about people dead in the water.

This country could be so much better, though luckily for me, its really not that bad.

[beninho]

Andrew Neil who is a good interviewer, seems to think he accidentally set up a right wing news channel by mistake. Bit strange.

[Soul Requiem]

It is different to the way it is now that's the point, it gives people a choice that they didn't have before. It's not complicated to understand.

[lostinwales]

Well there are plenty of traditionalists out there who don't wish to mark up in metric, this makes zero difference to your life at yet you still moan.

Who, with time, are dying off. Meanwhile there are generations brought up mainly metric for whom imperial weights and measures mean nothing.

Its just a dead cat anyway. All I seem to have seen is a suggestion that retailers can use imperial if they want. (Only a tiny fraction if any will want to - other than pints of course)

I used to write mathematical software. Software that used sensible units to do complicated sums to model complex phenomena. The end client was American, so I have first hand experience of translating sensible units to imperial (and worse still the US version - US gallons...). Genuinely wanting to go back really is completely dumb.

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[beninho]

It is different to the way it is now that's the point, it gives people a choice that they didn't have before. It's not complicated to understand.

What is different, because everything I've seem says you can still mark and sell in pounds and ounces, and it's not illegal anyway. Maybe you can explain?

[Duty281]

It is different to the way it is now that's the point, it gives people a choice that they didn't have before. It's not complicated to understand.

What is different, because everything I've seem says you can still mark and sell in pounds and ounces, and it's not illegal anyway.  Maybe you can explain?

No, you have to use metric when selling packaged or loose goods in GB. Only beer/cider/milk/precious metals can be sold in imperial measures.

[Duty281]

Its just a dead cat anyway. All I seem to have seen is a suggestion that retailers can use imperial if they want. (Only a tiny fraction if any will want to - other than pints of course)
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Pretty much. This is just one of 23 things some taskforce has highlighted as a possible area for regulatory reform.

Freedom of choice for merchants is fine and does no harm. It's amusing to see some people/media outlets so vexed about it.

[beninho]

It is different to the way it is now that's the point, it gives people a choice that they didn't have before. It's not complicated to understand.

What is different, because everything I've seem says you can still mark and sell in pounds and ounces, and it's not illegal anyway.  Maybe you can explain?

No, you have to use metric when selling packaged or loose goods in GB. Only beer/cider/milk/precious metals can be sold in imperial measures.

But you can mark up the pounds and ounces next to everything you sell? So people can work out how they want to do it? That's true I believe. As long as you show both.

[beninho]

I've read only 3 countries use these measurements.

And why would any business want to buy in kilos and grams to sell in pounds and ounces. Seems very backwards.

[Soul Requiem]

Well there are plenty of traditionalists out there who don't wish to mark up in metric, this makes zero difference to your life at yet you still moan.

Who, with time, are dying off. Meanwhile there are generations brought up mainly metric for whom imperial weights and measures mean nothing.

Its just a dead cat anyway. All I seem to have seen is a suggestion that retailers can use imperial if they want. (Only a tiny fraction if any will want to - other than pints of course)

I used to write mathematical software. Software that used sensible units to do complicated sums to model complex phenomena. The end client was American, so I have first hand experience of translating sensible units to imperial (and worse still the US version - US gallons...). Genuinely wanting to go back really is completely dumb.

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And your point is what exactly? That your opinion somehow matters more, don't get too upset this time.

[beninho]

Who the fu%k doesn't think their opinion matters more. If you don't, then what's the point in having an opinion.

[pedro]

Does that mean that merchants can measure their empty shelves in imperial units???

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