Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

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Should we be there?

Well if you dont mind whats happening now and support sharia law then I guess not.

[super_realist]

Those are trans women Mac.

Can someone just declare themselves to be a woman?

Aren't trans women and women the same thing?

Can someone just declare themselves to be a woman?

If they are a women, then yes.

Great, cant wait to just call myself a black Norwegian.

[JuliusHMarx]

Trans women ARE women - it's not a declaration or a choice. A white Englishman isn't a black Norwegian.

[super_realist]

Trans women ARE women - it's not a declaration or a choice. A white Englishman isn't a black Norwegian.

What makes a woman a woman though or a man a man?

[McLaren]

Super

Being transgender is a well established medical condition. "symptoms" have been identified and treatments have been shown to work, all via the scientific method. Being trans racial is just not a scientifically identified phenomenon. It makes no sense to equate the two. Would you be ok with declaring you have a made up condition in any other context?

[McLaren]

Trans women ARE women - it's not a declaration or a choice. A white Englishman isn't a black Norwegian.

What makes a woman a woman though or a man a man?

So you are having to ask because you don't know. And yet up until this point you have been happy with dismissing trans women. Wow, that is some top notch atheist reasoning skills there.

[super_realist]

Trans women ARE women - it's not a declaration or a choice. A white Englishman isn't a black Norwegian.

What makes a woman a woman though or a man a man?

So you are having to ask because you don't know. And yet up until this point you have been happy with dismissing trans women. Wow, that is some top notch atheist reasoning skills there.

No, im asking you to define it because we clearly have different ideas.
I would always say that they would be a transwoman (and most trans people seem happy to identify as such rather than insist on dropping the trans prefix) , but you seem to be of the opinion that youre a woman whether youve fully transitioned or whether you still have a man sausage and hairy Love sacks.
Correct me if im wrong, but it seems that you think someone is a woman, if they feel like or identify as a woman and that the term trans is superfluous

[pedro]

I have some physical characteristics that makes me wonder if I’m actually black...

[beninho]

Realist, so seems tge sortvwho would black up and claim to be a black Norwegian.

[McLaren]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58747614

Turns out that was a seriously dark crime. I don't want to get all right wing but I am glad he got such a serious sentence. This guy has not only killed a women but eroded the trust women will have in the police.

[Soul Requiem]

Justice transcends politics Mac. It's vile and no punishment can ever undo the damage he's caused to not only a young woman but her poor family. It's one thing hearing the details as an outsider but horrific it must be when that's your own daughter.

He'll no doubt have added protection inside which is a shame.

[beninho]

Just imagine how the person who saw him handcuff her must also feel. I don't like the way the police keep calling him or saying ex officer, it's a bit like downplaying it. He wasn't an ex officer when he kidnapped, raped and murdered her. He was an officer.

And his nickname of the r***ist? That's shocking, but also how can any female feel comfortable in an environment when that is used as a nickname.

[incontinentia]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58747614

Turns out that was a seriously dark crime. I don't want to get all right wing but I am glad he got such a serious sentence. This guy has not only killed a women but eroded the trust women will have in the police.

Doesn't bear thinking about. That guy deserves to be tortured severely.

[westisbest]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58747614

Turns out that was a seriously dark crime. I don't want to get all right wing but I am glad he got such a serious sentence. This guy has not only killed a women but eroded the trust women will have in the police.

Doesn't bear thinking about. That guy deserves to be tortured severely.

Yep. The rest of life in prison. Sadly won’t bring Sarah back. Very sad for the family.

Horrible crime.

[dynamark]

He will find prison life very very difficult abd I mean in a bad bad way

[Galted]

I wonder if he'll be allowed to claim that he's a woman and be moved to a women's prison.

[beninho]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/women-prey-authority-violence-against-women?__twitter_impression=true

Good article

[dynamark]

Bit of a subject change but thought you folk may be interested.Had a chat last night with my pals son in law and his company have manufacturing in China.Apparently they are subject to power cuts at present to try to close factories for a day a week and reduce the pollution levels with the winter olympics incoming do not want to look bad on world TV .They have a policy of never saying anything to criticise the authourities as folk tend to disappear .Even have an encrypted phone line via the US for any sensitive conversations. We think we have issues with our govt .

[super_realist]

Realist,  so seems tge sortvwho would black up and claim to  be a black Norwegian.

I didnt say black up, i simply said identify.
If you can identify as a woman just because you feel like you are,and even though you clearly arent, the man sausage and balls being a giveaway that means i can identify as any nationality or ethinicity too, even though  i demonstrably wouldnt  be.

Maybe youll allow lefty darling and all rlund moron Trudeau to identify as black, he seems to like to pretend he is with numerous blacking up events.

[beninho]

I dodnt say you said you'd black up, but just you seem the sort who would.

Anyway, trans rights, is probably something I've not really followed, mainly because I don't have an issue. But, in my limited views, I'd guess its a bit more then just feeling like a man or woman. That seems to be the overly simplistic view trotted out in a defence of bigotry.

[JAS]

Bit of a subject change but thought you folk may be interested.Had a chat last night with my pals son in law and his company have manufacturing in China.Apparently they are subject to power cuts at present to try to close factories for a day a week and reduce the pollution levels with the winter olympics incoming do not want to look bad on world TV .They have a policy of never saying anything to criticise the authourities as folk tend to disappear  .Even have an encrypted phone line via the US for any sensitive conversations. We think we have issues with our govt .

We do Dyna but nothing like on that scale. I do see them as a bit of a sinister threat to the world. The thing is though, we can condemn them for their Human rights abuses, government secrecy and pollution but...isn't that criticism a bit hollow when the international community has companies with bases out there exploiting a cheap and compliant workforce? If the international community isn't happy with China why don't we isolate it (I suppose that would be the start of an escalation cycle which could then spiral)

[incontinentia]

Anyway, trans rights, is probably something I've not really followed, mainly because I don't have an issue. But, in my limited views, I'd guess its a bit more then just feeling like a man or woman.  That seems to be the overly simplistic view trotted out in a defence of bigotry.

I find it hard to take it seriously when so many celebrities are proclaiming themselves as gender fluid etc, it can seem more like a trend at times than anything else.

[beninho]

Anyway, trans rights, is probably something I've not really followed, mainly because I don't have an issue. But, in my limited views, I'd guess its a bit more then just feeling like a man or woman.  That seems to be the overly simplistic view trotted out in a defence of bigotry.

I find it hard to take it seriously when so many celebrities are proclaiming themselves as gender fluid etc, it can seem more like a trend at times than anything else.

Isn't gender fluid just meaning different to the norm. Like moving past the old style views that boys wear trousers and ladies wear skirts. Or women have long hair. Or just love and fancy who you want to, have sex with male or female if that's your thing.

[beninho]

I got some diesel! Woohoo. Only a 5 minute wait, and only allowed £35 but its topped me up to near a full tank.

[McLaren]

I haven't seen any issues at the pumps in Edinburgh. Is this fuel panic phenomenon an English thing?

[I'm never wrong]

I haven't seen any issues at the pumps in Edinburgh. Is this fuel panic phenomenon an English thing?

Mainly in the South and South East Mac. Two petrol stations had fuel as I went past them on my motorbike after golf today and they had queues out into busy roads. Caused a lot of issues.

[beninho]

It does seem to be more south and south east. The other day it took me 1 hr to do a 5 minute route as tge octroi Station was on the route and the traffic was mad.

[JAS]

No petrol station queues in Cornwall or Devon that I saw, no stations out of fuel either.
The south east is clearly the part of the country that has a higher proportion of self centred sheep, who da thunk it??

[dynamark]

Never mind the fuel what about toilet paper and turkeys . Not sure Ive ever seen such ridiculous press reporting 'shoppers fear empty shelves' etc

[JAS]

Yep, definitely smacks of “There isn’t really a story here so let’s try and create one”

[Soul Requiem]

No petrol station queues in Cornwall or Devon that I saw, no stations out of fuel either.
The south east is clearly the part of the country that has a higher proportion of self centred sheep, who da thunk it??

It's also the part of the country where almost all European freight passes through.

[beninho]

I dont get the deflection of blame into the media or the people.

It's newsworthy to report what the petrol companies were saying. I didn't see anything over the top, though it did when it had all kicked in more. It wasn't at the start.

Then its blaming people for buying petrol. OK, the cases of filling gerry cans was over the top, but you can't over buy petrol, cars have limits.

[westisbest]

Quite tricky to get petrol around Bournemouth. Station next to the train station here is for emergency vehicles only.

[beninho]

I've had a look, BP said they were closing stores, and that sticks were decreasing rapidly and that they would have to consider rationing. Its all pretty strong stuff. And can you blame anyone for thinking they shoukd top up, when that's being said.

[beninho]

A Conservative party source said the new Criminal Disruption Prevention Orders - to be unveiled by Ms Patel - would "give the courts the power to prevent an individual with a history of disruption or where there is intelligence suggesting they are likely to commit a criminal offence from attending particular protests".


Seems like it's detaining people because of sonething they might do?

[beninho]

I honestly thought Williamson was the worst cabinet minister, then Nadine Dorries got promoted and seen more. Awful.

[dynamark]

The joke is we are insulating Britain .In 1978 the then govt introduced grants for loft insulation which was when I started my insulation business.There have been grant schemes of one kind or another ever since and housing providers have been fitting insualtion.boilers.solar panels like crazy.There are some of these green schemes at present which Im assured are ripping off the govt(free boilers for instance) funding.Im thinking these nutters are just another bunch of trouble makers trying to cause as much aggro as possible ,Look at how building regs have changed over the years ,EPCs all manner of stuff to

[dynamark]

Ben correct going back to the start of the fuel issue BP did say they had problems at a few stations in the London area -but then radio 5 next day Rachel Burden reported the shortages with the dont panic buy message as did the Sun and bingo we have a problem due to selfish behaviour. Start of the covid restrictions was the same madness

[JAS]

Ben correct going back to the start of the fuel issue BP did say they had problems at a few stations in the London area -but then radio 5 next day Rachel Burden reported the shortages with the dont panic buy message   as did the Sun and bingo we have a problem due to selfish behaviour. Start of the covid restrictions was the same madness

As I see it there's 2 separate strands to the overall problem, there's the actual supply chain logistics which are or have been strained, then there's the driver behaviour part. The former I have no clue on the extent of the real issues. The latter is basic human behaviour and multiplies the effect of the former. I also think it's being handled in the wrong way by saying in some places...you can only have a maximum of £30 or £20 or whatever. What they SHOULD be saying is that the MINIMUM purchase until this is resolved is £30 because what's causing the queues and tailbacks and exacerbating the panic is the clowns that are topping up daily with say £5 - £10 worth, i.e. they're going to the pump multiple times when once would suffice. It won't in itself solve the issue but it would stop the idiotic panic driven behaviour.

[beninho]

Why does Oliver Dowden have such an issue with people working from home. People have worked from home for years.

[JAS]

Why does Oliver Dowden have such an issue with people working from home. People have worked from home for years.

…because chunks of the economy are still on their knees because working people aren’t spending enough money in certain areas.

WFH is great, it’s productive and it’s convenient for many people but when there’s a shift from a relatively small minority doing it to a much bigger chunk of society doing it then naturally there’s a whole ecosystem that gets starved…sandwich shops coffee shops, pubs, restaurants etc. Basically he’s asking lower paid workers to get out there and spend rather than save. If he really wanted the economy to refloat he should be asking the oligarchs to stop stashing their money in tax havens and spend more of it in the high street and everywhere else (oh no wait, the oligarchs have already donated to stop those pesky questions being asked)

[beninho]

I know we had the minimum wage debate before, but is the view that 9.42 is all good but 10 isn't?

[beninho]

The pretty right wing Legatum Institute has said the £20 uplift has kept 860,000 out of poverty and 250,000 children.

Change a department name to levelling up, then making people poorer doesn't seem to tally.

[dynamark]

I looked at UC yesterday to try to understand how it works and at what level of income does it come in and frankly got nowhere (this is not for myself just research) .It appears to be anything but simple.

[beninho]

Entitled to.co.uk is the site to play around on. It's what we use for clients.

[dynamark]

Yes Ben my lot (PA housing) used that also seems to be the go to for housing associations .Try yto make sure they can pay their rent !!

[beninho]

Get ready for some prime whataboutery from Newcastle fans, when trying to defend being brought by the Saudis.

[JuliusHMarx]

Get ready for some prime whataboutery from Newcastle fans, when trying to defend being brought by the Saudis.

Wouldn't want to be a sports journalist covering them.

[pedro]

Get ready for some prime whataboutery from Newcastle fans, when trying to defend being brought by the Saudis.

Wouldn't want to be a sports journalist covering them.

Pressers are held at an embassy in Istanbul.

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1446009744129503238?t=y460ep7PM9T-KrKSYqWxqQ&s=19

Have we got someone worse then Williamson?

[dynamark]

Yes sports direct may have some issues but pretty small compared to the Saudis

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