Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Should we be there?

Well if you dont mind whats happening now and support sharia law then I guess not.

[beninho]

Realist, I'm still trying to get my head around your r*** claims.

We know recorded rapes have gone up 40k in just over 10 years, but your stance is still we don't know that rapes have gone up? And you've used marital r***, sonething that has been basically been an outlawed exemption since 1991.

So, the only way, you can argue that they haven't gone up, is if you think every r*** is now reported, and if you think at least 40k rapes minimum, weren't reported in 2008/9. Is that your opinion?

[beninho]

I font think labour are backing a £15 minimum wage, its just some mps would like it. It doesn't make it policy. And isn't something to beat starmer over the head with.

[super_realist]

No, my point is that reporting has gone up, but that doesnt necessarily mean r*** as a crime has.
Im not sure why you cant grasp that. If people report street assault more frequently, it doesnt mean that it is happening more often, just that people are more willing to report.

Im not saying its not a problem, but simply using the number of reported cases doesnt actually indicate that it is going up.

Its perfectly possible that 40k r**** went unreported. Fortunately our behaviour in reporting such issues has improved dramatically and as a society we talk about it more often especually evidence given the number of historic cases which continue to be brought to light.

[beninho]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91. I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

[beninho]

No, my point is that reporting has gone up, but that doesnt necessarily mean r*** as a crime has.
Im not sure why you cant grasp that. If people report street assault more frequently, it doesnt mean that it is happening more often, just that people are more willing to report.

Im not saying its not a problem, but simply using the number of reported cases doesnt actually indicate that it is going up.

Its perfectly possible that 40k r**** went unreported. Fortunately our behaviour in reporting such issues has improved dramatically and as a society we talk about it more often especually evidence given the number of historic cases which continue to be brought to light.

So, you view is recorded rapes are only increasing because people are reporting them more, but you don't believe that rapes have increased in 10 years?

[super_realist]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91.  I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

Raising it by kess than £2, or almost doubling it? Fantastic whataboutery yet again.

[super_realist]

No, my point is that reporting has gone up, but that doesnt necessarily mean r*** as a crime has.
Im not sure why you cant grasp that. If people report street assault more frequently, it doesnt mean that it is happening more often, just that people are more willing to report.

Im not saying its not a problem, but simply using the number of reported cases doesnt actually indicate that it is going up.

Its perfectly possible that 40k r**** went unreported. Fortunately our behaviour in reporting such issues has improved dramatically and as a society we talk about it more often especually evidence given the number of historic cases which continue to be brought to light.

So, you view is recorded rapes are only increasing because people are reporting them more, but you don't believe that rapes have increased in 10 years?

I dont KNOW that r*** is increasing (and i do not know that they arent) , and neither do you so stop pretending that you do. Reported statistics only tell PART of the story and do not on their own indicate that r*** is increasing as a crime.

[Soul Requiem]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91.  I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

£10.50 would still have implications on low earners especially if it's a straight jump, staggered over a couple of years it would be ok but £15 is another matter altogether.

[beninho]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91.  I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

Raising it by kess than £2, or almost doubling it? Fantastic whataboutery yet again.

How is it whataboutery when it's the exact same subject. But again, it's not labour policy. And, I'd be surprised if no tory mps wanted a min wage above 10.50.

[beninho]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91.  I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

£10.50 would still have implications on low earners especially if it's a straight jump, staggered over a couple of years it would be ok but £15 is another matter altogether.

2019 they said over 5 years. £15 sounds like a lot, but I don't imagine Labour will have a policy of a £15 min wage.

[super_realist]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91.  I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

Raising it by kess than £2, or almost doubling it? Fantastic whataboutery yet again.

How is it whataboutery when it's the exact same subject. But again, it's not labour policy. And, I'd be surprised if no tory mps wanted a min wage above 10.50.

No one claimed it was policy, but its brought up at their own bloody conference. Its clearly an issue within labour givenn that one baby threw his toys out of the pram over it.

[Soul Requiem]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91.  I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

£10.50 would still have implications on low earners especially if it's a straight jump, staggered over a couple of years it would be ok but £15 is another matter altogether.

2019 they said over 5 years. £15 sounds like a lot, but I don't imagine Labour will have a policy of a £15 min wage.

That would be an increase of approx 18% over five years which would be around projected inflation levels for that period so a reasonable proposal.

I don't suppose it will end up being party policy but if the motion for it to be carries today it just further increases friction in the party. The left of the party continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

[dynamark]

It was a pledge though I believe as part of last bonkers election campaign.As super says the conference is all over it which just increases the perception that they couldnt run a sweetshop(let alone foreign policy).
Its just another example of their disjointed and chaotic organisation.

[beninho]

We know that the Tory chancellor wanted to raise the living wage to £10.50 for all over 21s. Though that was in 2019 and its still 8.36 and 8.91.  I'm guessing 10.50 is fine then?

£10.50 would still have implications on low earners especially if it's a straight jump, staggered over a couple of years it would be ok but £15 is another matter altogether.

2019 they said over 5 years. £15 sounds like a lot, but I don't imagine Labour will have a policy of a £15 min wage.

That would be an increase of approx 18% over five years which would be around projected inflation levels for that period so a reasonable proposal.

I don't suppose it will end up being party policy but if the motion for it to be carries today it just further increases friction in the party. The left of the party continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

The party really isn't helping itself. I understand the need to try and toe the line, especially with brexit, you cant win people back by saying you are all wrong, it's has to be a bit softer.

I much prefer starmer to Corbyn, mainly because I think my political views are nearer starmer then Corbyn. But, he is taking pelters for no good reason a lot of the time. I think a lot of left wing, are similar to right wing when they believe twitter or just loud people, and not understand that the vast majority of the country are so ethereal in the middle who can switch sides.

You have tge anti lockdown and anti vaxxers who think because people go on a march it's a popular thing when it really isn't, and ends up with L Fox losing a mayoral election to a youtuber.

And it's also the same for rampant anti brexiters, who will tar everything as brexit ( I'm aware of what I say, but some are way more then my views)

[beninho]

It was a pledge though I believe as part of last bonkers election campaign.As super says the conference is all over it which just increases the perception that they couldnt run a sweetshop(let alone foreign policy).
Its just another example of their disjointed and chaotic organisation.

Last election they stood on £10. Not an unreasonable amount but not as a straight increase.

[dynamark]

Ben this afternoon there is I believe a motion to conference to support a £15 per hour min wage.
They are not giving themselves any credibility with that even being on the agenda.
Ive not over political always believed in give me a chance/freedom and Ill work hard make own future etc but there will always be a government in this system/country and therefore I have to take part in the process every 5 years or so and I would not want that shower of jokers anywhere near no 10.

[beninho]

I honestly don't see Starmer and his closest allies, being centre left as they are, as any more a shower of jokers compared to Rees Mogg, Raab, Williamson.

I'd love Burnham back, and think Ed milligan is a very good politician. The less cranky corbyn supporters the better, at cutting edge positions.

But, debating a £15 minimum wage is fine, as long as it stays a debate, and doesn't become a policy. I don't think it will. You have various fractions at these events, tory conferences still bang on about fox hunting I'm sure.

[dynamark]

Ben Im home and bored today so forgive my continued chat.
I just dont see the credibilty in Labour with the underlying left influence and the way they present themselves (im thinking deputy leader).
Burnham did get the elbow and is well guilty of jumping on anything that makes him look good but he does have some gravitas.Wet Jon Ashworth on Tv right now does his best but its just not quite there. The labour left will never back down as they drag a lot of voters behind them but its never going to be a government.
Spoke to my neighbour yesterday who rents her flat from me and she informed me she was better off at home on UC than in her old job in a care home (as a domestic assistant).Shes not the brightest and it may not be strictly true but she thinks it is fact

[McLaren]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/27/people-who-cant-fit-into-jeans-they-wore-aged-21-risk-developing-diabetes



I guess if you were a fat youth who only achieved a healthy weight later in life, like Super_realist, this doesn't apply. But does anyone on here think they could get into the same jeans the wore at 21?

[super_realist]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/27/people-who-cant-fit-into-jeans-they-wore-aged-21-risk-developing-diabetes



I guess if you were a fat youth who only achieved a healthy weight later in life, like Super_realist, this doesn't apply. But does anyone on here think they could get into the same jeans the wore at 21?

Sounds a typical Guardian story, a ballhair better than the tabloids

Could you get into your old trousers?

[McLaren]

How overweight were you at your peak Super?


I could probably just about get into my jeans from then. Although probably not comfortably. I also didn't wear the tighter type jean that is popular now back then. I was a baggy jean guy.


Think something like this

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[super_realist]

I've never been overweight Mac.

If you wear the skinny jean now I think youre probably a bit old for that arent you? You must be about 35-36 right?

[McLaren]

I've never been overweight Mac.

If you wear the skinny jean now I think youre probably a bit old for that arent you? You must be about 35-36 right?

I don't war full on skinny jeans but most trousers at the moment seem to be on the slim side compared to 10-15 years ago. From the late 90's until quite recently I favoured the baggier cut.


I thought it was you that revealed you had been pretty fat as a child/young adult? Must have been someone else.

[Soul Requiem]

I'd fit into my jeans from when I was 21 I reckon, i'd not long stopped playing rugby so was about a stone heavier than I am. I have a pair of skinny jeans that are very comfortable but suppose being ancient (33) I should return them to conform with the realist norm.

[super_realist]

I've never been overweight Mac.

If you wear the skinny jean now I think youre probably a bit old for that arent you? You must be about 35-36 right?

I don't war full on skinny jeans but most trousers at the moment seem to be on the slim side compared to 10-15 years ago. From the late 90's until quite recently I favoured the baggier cut.


I thought it was you that revealed you had been pretty fat as a child/young adult? Must have been someone else.

Not me Mac, always been slim.

I wish the overly skinny jean phase would pass, just as i wish the chav tuxedo and hipster beard phase would end

[McLaren]

What is the chav tuxedo? Don't think I have seen that. Do you just mean a tracksuit?

[super_realist]

What is the chav tuxedo? Don't think I have seen that. Do you just mean a tracksuit?

You will have seen it Mac, its a chav staple in Edinburgh, its the light grey elasticated sh1tcatcher trousers with the grey top. Also available in baby puke green. Sartorial suicide

[McLaren]

Super

What parts of town are you hanging out in?

[super_realist]

Super

What parts of town are you hanging out in?

Its just what you see in daily life Mac. My lunchtime constitutional reveals all sorts of Edinburgh sub human.

[JAS]

Think it’s a bit of a glib generalisation the Guardian article but yes, I could, 32 waist then and the same now, I grumble to myself now and again that I’m around 1/2 a stone above ideal weight. Some think I’m lucky but I’d say luck ain’t much to do with it, I’ve always worked hard to keep myself in shape.

[super_realist]

Think it’s a bit of a glib generalisation the Guardian article but yes, I could, 32 waist then and the same now, I grumble to myself now and again that I’m around 1/2 a stone above ideal weight. Some think I’m lucky but I’d say luck ain’t much to do with it, I’ve always worked hard to keep myself in shape.

As it should be Jas, we didnt evolve to become fat, its purely a western lifestyle thing.

[Soul Requiem]

The Pacific Islands would suggest that post is nonsense.

[super_realist]

Ah right, it's ok to be fat because middle aged Pacific Islanders are fat? Well, virtually all of them of all ages are fat, so clearly they're doing something wrong.

[Soul Requiem]

Obesity is also high in the middle East. Just highlighting 'it's purely a western lifestyle thing' is a nonsense comment.

[beninho]

I highly doubt I would get into trousers from 20 years ago. Oh well.

[beninho]

What's classed as western lifestyle thing?

Nauru 79.4
2 Cook Islands 77.8
3 Palau 77.6
4 Marshall Islands 75.5
5 Tuvalu 75.2
6 Niue 73.1
7 Tonga 72.7
8 Samoa 72.1
9 Kiribati 72.0
10 Micronesia 71.4

[super_realist]

What's classed as western lifestyle thing?

Nauru 79.4
2 Cook Islands 77.8
3 Palau 77.6
4 Marshall Islands 75.5
5 Tuvalu 75.2
6 Niue 73.1
7 Tonga 72.7
8 Samoa 72.1
9 Kiribati 72.0
10 Micronesia 71.4

Some nice destinations for Shane Lowry to retire to.

[pedro]

What's classed as western lifestyle thing?

Nauru 79.4
2 Cook Islands 77.8
3 Palau 77.6
4 Marshall Islands 75.5
5 Tuvalu 75.2
6 Niue 73.1
7 Tonga 72.7
8 Samoa 72.1
9 Kiribati 72.0
10 Micronesia 71.4

Some nice destinations for Shane Lowry to retire to.

I’m sure Cook Islands would catch his attention.

[Pal Joey]

What's classed as western lifestyle thing?

Nauru 79.4
2 Cook Islands 77.8
3 Palau 77.6
4 Marshall Islands 75.5
5 Tuvalu 75.2
6 Niue 73.1
7 Tonga 72.7
8 Samoa 72.1
9 Kiribati 72.0
10 Micronesia 71.4

Some nice destinations for Shane Lowry to retire to.

I’m sure Cook Islands would catch his attention.

Beautiful place. Raro for short (Rarotonga). I went there on holidays in 1999. Wonderful people. I recommend it to s_r for a short break at least.

It's only 32km in circumference. (I was also a size 32 at 21... what a coincidence... but I'm probably a size 34 now though) We had great fun motor scootering around the perimeter. There's also the "ancient coral road" about half a mile inland. It was built around the same time as Westminster Abbey apparently. There's lots chooks and piglets dashing out from the undergrowth without looking... so be careful if you ever go.

Did the cross-island walk with this very fit 70+ year old tour guide. You go through about 10 minutes of thick jungle (via a pre-prepared track) and reach the volcanic peak (Te Rua Manga or The Needle) in the middle of the island. Spectacular views. It's an easy walk down to the other side. The whole thing takes about 2 hours including a half hour lunch break near the top. They were advertising a position for an experienced person in my profession (saw a tiny sign on an office door in Avarua) and I honestly thought about applying for it... then thought... nah. This place is so idyllic it would drive me nuts.

If you want to go there you'll have to apply for a bike licence. Easy. Go to the local police station. There's a large courtyard with a palm tree in the middle of it near the office. You hop on the bike and drive around the tree. Then the cop says: "Good! Now do it again, my friend!" Takes about 2 minutes including all the banter and laughter.

Apologies everyone. I thought this was the Travel thread.

[JAS]

I think the general thrust of Supers assertion is valid. It’s all very well highlighting Pacific Islanders but wait, what about their life expectancy? Dietary availability? Economic factors that could be influencing. There will be quirks of different kinds around the globe.
The fact is though western society is further down the road of nutritional and exercise research which in turn means that we have less of an excuse for allowing ourselves to become morbidly obese. Obviously that is a generalisation, there are people out there that will have medical conditions that directly or indirectly influence ones ability to maintain a healthy body/lifestyle but on average your average Brit should be taking a bit more personal responsibility for their own health.

[super_realist]

The % of people with a genuine excuse for obesity compared to the number of people who are fat through laziness and greed is probably similar to the number of men with a cervix compared to the number of women with one.

[beninho]

Super Realist in making edgy comment shock.

[super_realist]

Super Realist in making edgy comment shock.

Not edgy, but topical.

[JuliusHMarx]

I have an ointment that's topical.
And a breeze that's tropical.

[McLaren]

Super

If you don't have a cervix can you still be a woman?

[super_realist]

Super

If you don't have a cervix can you still be a woman?

Of course, plenty women have had them removed for medical reasons.
Can a woman have a pair of balls?

[McLaren]

Can a woman have a pair of balls?

Yes, many trans/intersex women are born with testicles.

[JuliusHMarx]

Can a woman have manboobs?

[super_realist]

Can a woman have a pair of balls?

Yes, many trans/intersex women are born with testicles.

Those are trans women Mac.

Can someone just declare themselves to be a woman?

[McLaren]

Those are trans women Mac.

Can someone just declare themselves to be a woman?

Aren't trans women and women the same thing?

Can someone just declare themselves to be a woman?

If they are a women, then yes.

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