Scotland 2022 summer tour

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Scotland 2022 Six Nations Lookahead

A place to discuss the rollercoaster of dark horse conversation and sheer despair. Somewhere in-between, someone will go off on a mild tangent.

Schedule
5th Feb - England (H)
12th Feb - Wales (A)
26th Feb - France (H)
12th March - Italy (A)
19th March - Ireland (A)

Scotland's recent performances
2021: 4th (3 wins, same as 2nd)
2020: 4th (3 wins, same points as 3rd)
2019: 5th (1 win, 1 draw)
2018: 3rd (3 wins, same as 2nd)
2017: 4th (3 wins, same points as 2nd)

Hazel Sapling wrote:If no English-based players (also where is Vellacott?)

Bhatti - Matthews - Sebastian (Schoeman - Cherry - Walker)
Gilchrist - Hodgson (Young)
Bradbury - Muncaster - Crosbie (Watson)

G Horne - Thompson (Price - Kinghorn)
Hutchinson - Bennett (Currie)
McLean - Smith - Hoyland

Not seen much of the end of the season (holidays, work) and from the write-ups, that is a good thing. Chile are not going to be as competitive as Uruguay (who deserved a game but oh well). Having a few experienced internationals, long-time professionals (Matthews, Cherry, Young, Crosbie, Hoyland) and a healthy dose of up-and-comers should be more than enough.

Uruguay probably deserved a game but Chile has a history of welcoming eccentric scottish folk who haven't done so well back in the UK (Thomas Cochrane anyone?)

Team out

Bhatti - Cherry - Sebastian (Schoeman - Matthews - Walker)
Hodgson - Cummings (Young)
Muncaster - M Fagerson - Crosbie (Bradbury)

Horne - Thompson (Price - Kinghorn)
Tuipulotu - Currie (Bennett)
McLean - Smith - Hoyland

I quite like that team, its certainly callow but should give a good account of themselves. Looks to me like a lot of the bench will end up starting in that 1st test against argentina though

In other SRU related news Mark Dodson gets given a contract extension until 2025. Nicely rewarded work if you can get it. Think he is still on more dosh than the similar roles in England, Ireland, France South Africa and New Zealand.

Tramptastic wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:If no English-based players (also where is Vellacott?)

Bhatti - Matthews - Sebastian (Schoeman - Cherry - Walker)
Gilchrist - Hodgson (Young)
Bradbury - Muncaster - Crosbie (Watson)

G Horne - Thompson (Price - Kinghorn)
Hutchinson - Bennett (Currie)
McLean - Smith - Hoyland

Not seen much of the end of the season (holidays, work) and from the write-ups, that is a good thing. Chile are not going to be as competitive as Uruguay (who deserved a game but oh well). Having a few experienced internationals, long-time professionals (Matthews, Cherry, Young, Crosbie, Hoyland) and a healthy dose of up-and-comers should be more than enough.

Uruguay probably deserved a game but Chile has a history of welcoming eccentric scottish folk who haven't done so well back in the UK (Thomas Cochrane anyone?)

Tramptastic you strike me as a literary guy.  
"In Patagonia" has a few eccentric Scottish folk kicking around that part of the world also. A lot of eccentric folk in general it has to be said.

Mcsweens wrote:

Tramptastic wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:If no English-based players (also where is Vellacott?)

Bhatti - Matthews - Sebastian (Schoeman - Cherry - Walker)
Gilchrist - Hodgson (Young)
Bradbury - Muncaster - Crosbie (Watson)

G Horne - Thompson (Price - Kinghorn)
Hutchinson - Bennett (Currie)
McLean - Smith - Hoyland

Not seen much of the end of the season (holidays, work) and from the write-ups, that is a good thing. Chile are not going to be as competitive as Uruguay (who deserved a game but oh well). Having a few experienced internationals, long-time professionals (Matthews, Cherry, Young, Crosbie, Hoyland) and a healthy dose of up-and-comers should be more than enough.

Uruguay probably deserved a game but Chile has a history of welcoming eccentric scottish folk who haven't done so well back in the UK (Thomas Cochrane anyone?)

Tramptastic you strike me as a literary guy.  
"In Patagonia" has a few eccentric Scottish folk kicking around that part of the world also. A lot of eccentric folk in general it has to be said.

I'm fairly sure the literary guy on these boards is Jimbo (he's been quiet of late since Glasgow imploded at the end of the season)

Hazel Sapling wrote:Team out

Bhatti - Cherry - Sebastian (Schoeman - Matthews - Walker)
Hodgson - Cummings (Young)
Muncaster - M Fagerson - Crosbie (Bradbury)

Horne - Thompson (Price - Kinghorn)
Tuipulotu - Currie (Bennett)
McLean - Smith - Hoyland

Really looking forward to seeing Jonny Matthews and Ben Muncaster as both been in fantastic form for their clubs .

Predictions, anyone brave enough :P?

I wasn't too far off - it makes sense for Cummings and Fagerson to get some gametime as they've been out a while.

Really pleased for Crosbie - he's obviously been earmarked as a future leader. Toonie said he would have captaind against England A last summer too if it hadn't been cancelled.

Chile are no mugs but we should still win this with a bit to spare.

RDW wrote:I wasn't too far off - it makes sense for Cummings and Fagerson to get some gametime as they've been out a while.

Really pleased for Crosbie - he's obviously been earmarked as a future leader. Toonie said he would have captaind against England A last summer too if it hadn't been cancelled.

Chile are no mugs but we should still win this with a bit to spare.

If we don't win it well we should really be worried!

Hazel Sapling wrote:Team out

Bhatti - Cherry - Sebastian (Schoeman - Matthews - Walker)
Hodgson - Cummings (Young)
Muncaster - M Fagerson - Crosbie (Bradbury)

Horne - Thompson (Price - Kinghorn)
Tuipulotu - Currie (Bennett)
McLean - Smith - Hoyland

Morning chentlemen, and Tramptastic, sorry if I have been quiet of late but I have been otherwise occupied.

Now there's an interesting team It should be too powerful/skilful for the Chileans. as an aside can I recommend Yevgeny Yevtushenko's A Dove In Santiago; a novella in blank verse set during the overthrow of Allende's socialist government? It is a wonderfully moving piece of writing. Fes has a copy propping up the wobbly leg in his dining table. The scullery maid was thrashed when he discovered it secreted under her petticoats!

Anyhoo, this team points to (1) emergency cover for the World Cup, (2) a sneaky peak at the future.

Cherry and Matthews have slim hopes of being the third/fourth hooker at the World Cup. Chuckles looks like injuries may end his playing days sooner rather than later and Turner, Rambo and Ashman are probably all pencilled in for the squad. Similarly, Bhatti needs to really push for the third loosehead spot.
Behind the scrum Hornito and could miss out on the World Cup squad unless they produce a couple of good performances pretty soon.

Now for the future
Sebastian and Walker as future tightheads. Everyone at Scotstoun was excited when Sebastian signed a couple of seasons ago but he never looked like being a first team player. Although he has been getting rave reviews at Scarlets. Hopefully he'll keep improving. Murphy Walker has had a very good start at Scotstoun, he could be a regular for some time to come if managed properly.
Hodgson, Cummings and Young as our second rows. We all know how good Cummings is and the other two seem to be quite free of Luvvieness so things are looking positive here.

Muncaster-Fagerson-Crosbie-Darge ; if that's the basis of our back row in a couple of years it won't be too shabby. Add in Dempsey and it's not looking bad at all.
Is Hornito going to be the next Aldi Price? I'm beginning to think that his (international) ship my have sailed. Certainly there's steam coming out the funnel and the ropes are being loosened prior to casting off.
10 [i]Don't get me started. If Dancer and Hastings are unavailable then our World Cup could easily be in the hands of Blarehorn or the Wonder Kid who has lost his way. Three or four seasons hence and they both may develop into international class 10's but both are woefully short of experience for this World Cup.

Back three, certainly Titman and Smith look like they will be there for some time. Hoyland looks a decent player but is way behind the ADHD Kid. But who isn't?

Still, there's plenty to watch for tonight.

That’s the longest journey to a line up I’ve ever seen in my puff.

And the commentator calling them “chee-lee” is cringe

I remember when George Horne used to be good….

I’m half joking there, but he’s not had a convincing start!

In none rugby related news, I always find it fascinating when this happens, it’s sunny I’m chile right now but it’ll be dark over there before is is here even though they are 5 hours behind us.

Mental eh

Glad he’s listening to me and upped his game, you’re welcome George

tigertattie wrote:In none rugby related news, I always find it fascinating when this happens, it’s sunny I’m chile right now but it’ll be dark over there before is is here even though they are 5 hours behind us.

Mental eh

Can tell the games a thriller when the geography trivia comes out eh tatie

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:

tigertattie wrote:In none rugby related news, I always find it fascinating when this happens, it’s sunny I’m chile right now but it’ll be dark over there before is is here even though they are 5 hours behind us.

Mental eh

Can tell the games a thriller when the geography trivia comes out eh tatie

I’m also loving they need water breaks as it’s so hot. And in the background are snow covered mountains.

The world is pretty mental

Couple of bits of quality tryline defence by the Chileans, good on them!

I don’t want to sound disrespectful to Chile but even though we’ve put out a young, young team, this is boys vs men.

Job done - a decent blow out without being overly inspiring.

I'm glad we play these types of games though - it will mean a lot to the 2nd tier nations and helps us too.

I agree RDW. We're doing out bit to help out the emerging nations and a handy run-out for some players who needed game time (Fagerson and Cummings) and others new to international rugby (Thompson, Currie and Smith).

Cummings looked classy (as opposed to Graham who conceded 3 avoidable penalties by my count), our standout forward, and Smith looked good at 15. Hard to really rate players against a plucky but somewhat outclassed opposition, but the gametime will have been good for a bunch of players.

Only really seen the score and the comments above, but it looks like Scotland showed signs of 'Glasgow Disease', i.e. falling away badly in the second half for no apparent reason. Or was it replacements / opposition upping it / ref calls?

demosthenes wrote:Only really seen the score and the comments above, but it looks like Scotland showed signs of 'Glasgow Disease', i.e. falling away badly in the second half for no apparent reason.  Or was it replacements / opposition upping it / ref calls?

It's hard to maintain intensity when you're winning relatively easy - we weren't really tested. The coaches will probably be secretly happy about that though as it gives them something to focus on and use as a big stick for this training week

RDW wrote:

demosthenes wrote:Only really seen the score and the comments above, but it looks like Scotland showed signs of 'Glasgow Disease', i.e. falling away badly in the second half for no apparent reason.  Or was it replacements / opposition upping it / ref calls?

It's hard to maintain intensity when you're winning relatively easy - we weren't really tested. The coaches will probably be secretly happy about that though as it gives them something to focus on and use as a big stick for this training week

Good points; and true enough.

funnyExiledScot wrote:I agree RDW. We're doing out bit to help out the emerging nations and a handy run-out for some players who needed game time (Fagerson and Cummings) and others new to international rugby (Thompson, Currie and Smith).

Cummings looked classy (as opposed to Graham who conceded 3 avoidable penalties by my count), our standout forward, and Smith looked good at 15. Hard to really rate players against a plucky but somewhat outclassed opposition, but the gametime will have been good for a bunch of players.

Graham?

Caught the highlights. Nice to see a good sized crowd attending that big stadium. Perfect game to get the squad geared up for Argentina. Fantastic to be playing a 2nd tier nation again and look forward to the next Scotland A match up against another 2nd or 3rd tier nation.

Well done to Hoyland. He’s played himself into contention for the first test and looked very involved through the chile match. Agree with comments above, it’s good to see fringe players getting a run out.

Tbh I wasn’t happy with the second half. They fell away badly and should really have put Chile to the sword. No other tier 1 team would have played like us.
I watched the Japan Uruguay game and it was much the same.
Forced passes, basic errors, stupid penalties, which better teams would have punished us for, and lacking a killer instinct.

I am aware that it was an A game but all but three of the starting 15 have full caps.

The only players putting themselves up for test selection who are not already nailed on were Hoyland & Horne and maybe Crosbie.

There is something very wrong with the players mindset going into the second half of games. One year out from the World Cup , it’s a tad concerning.

Two extremely late tries in the last two mins of the game don’t cover the cracks. It was 5 -5 in the second half til then.

RDW wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:I agree RDW. We're doing out bit to help out the emerging nations and a handy run-out for some players who needed game time (Fagerson and Cummings) and others new to international rugby (Thompson, Currie and Smith).

Cummings looked classy (as opposed to Graham who conceded 3 avoidable penalties by my count), our standout forward, and Smith looked good at 15. Hard to really rate players against a plucky but somewhat outclassed opposition, but the gametime will have been good for a bunch of players.

Graham?

Sorry, meant Jamie Hodgson!

Morning peeps.
I watched the game and was distinctly underwhelmed by the second 40. I thought the first half was exactly as it should be ; 33 points, game won, players totally comfortable and in control.
Second 40 For a moment, when the Chileans were lining up their conversion attempt, it looked as if we might actually lose the second half. That would have been a shocker.
Still, Sebastian, Walker, Hodgson, Young, Crosbie all did well.
Muncaster should have put Titman in for a try just before Blarehorn did.
Titman made three good line breaks but didn't finish them: in a close game against tier one opposition we would be punished for that.
looked class when he reappeared.
Are the matches against the Pumas only on Sky Sports?

Judging by thr pictures post game it looks like the full squad is in Chile now which is good.

Plenty firepower to call upon for Argentina, and we're gonna need it!

funnyExiledScot wrote:

RDW wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:I agree RDW. We're doing out bit to help out the emerging nations and a handy run-out for some players who needed game time (Fagerson and Cummings) and others new to international rugby (Thompson, Currie and Smith).

Cummings looked classy (as opposed to Graham who conceded 3 avoidable penalties by my count), our standout forward, and Smith looked good at 15. Hard to really rate players against a plucky but somewhat outclassed opposition, but the gametime will have been good for a bunch of players.

Graham?

Sorry, meant Jamie Hodgson!

Close!

jimbopip wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:Team out

Bhatti - Cherry - Sebastian (Schoeman - Matthews - Walker)
Hodgson - Cummings (Young)
Muncaster - M Fagerson - Crosbie (Bradbury)

Horne - Thompson (Price - Kinghorn)
Tuipulotu - Currie (Bennett)
McLean - Smith - Hoyland

Morning chentlemen, and Tramptastic, sorry if I have been quiet of late but I have been otherwise occupied.

Now there's an interesting team It should be too powerful/skilful for the Chileans.  as an aside can I recommend Yevgeny Yevtushenko's A Dove In Santiago; a novella in blank verse set during the overthrow of Allende's socialist government? It is a wonderfully moving piece of writing. Fes has a copy propping up the wobbly leg in his dining table. The scullery maid was thrashed when he discovered it secreted under her petticoats!

Anyhoo, this team points to (1) emergency cover for the World Cup, (2) a sneaky peak at the future.

Cherry and Matthews have slim hopes of being the third/fourth hooker at the World Cup. Chuckles looks like injuries may end his playing days sooner rather than later and Turner, Rambo and Ashman are probably all pencilled in for the squad. Similarly, Bhatti needs to really push for the third loosehead spot.
Behind the scrum Hornito and could miss out on the World Cup squad unless they produce a couple of good performances pretty soon.

Now for the future
Sebastian and Walker as future tightheads. Everyone at Scotstoun was excited when Sebastian signed a couple of seasons ago but he never looked like being a first team player. Although he has been getting rave reviews at Scarlets. Hopefully he'll keep improving. Murphy Walker has had a very good start at Scotstoun, he could be a regular for some time to come if managed properly.
Hodgson, Cummings and Young as our second rows. We all know how good Cummings is and the other two seem to be quite free of Luvvieness so things are looking positive here.

Muncaster-Fagerson-Crosbie-Darge ; if that's the basis of our back row in a couple of years it won't be too shabby. Add in Dempsey and it's not looking bad at all.
Is Hornito going to be the next Aldi Price? I'm beginning to think that his (international) ship my have sailed. Certainly there's steam coming out the funnel and the ropes are being loosened prior to casting off.
10 Don't get me started. If Dancer and Hastings are unavailable then our World Cup could easily be in the hands of Blarehorn or the Wonder Kid who has lost his way.  Three or four seasons hence and they both may develop into international class 10's but both are woefully short of experience for this World Cup.

Back three, certainly Titman and Smith look like they will be there for some time. Hoyland looks a decent player but is way behind the ADHD Kid. But who isn't?

Still, there's plenty to watch for tonight.

Regarding the bit I've put in bold, don't forget young Fin Smith

Shaun, young Fin Smith may be a very exciting prospect but how many matches do we have before the next World Cup?
Do we have time to give him a run of games to settle in to the side and get up to speed with international rugby?

While we're on the subject: in the primordial swamp of my childhood Les Dawson once defined mixed emotions as, "Watching my mother in law drive off a cliff in my new car", on Saturday Muncaster butchered an overlap which would have put Titman in, when the ball was recycled to Blarehorn he cut back against the grain to find Titman and put him in. I wa sdelighted that Scotland had scored but somewhat deflated that Toonie will probably be thinking that here was proof that Blarehorn will indeed be a World Class 10.

Blairhorn is improving but he still looks to me like a 15 playing at 10. Unsurprisingly.

I think with blairhorn, the reason he can put put into space is that defenders go to him as he is a threat with ball in hand. Sadly the opposition will easily figure out that you just stand off him and the backline will then be easy to defend against.

Just seen this on the SRU Facebook thingy,

Scotland squad update:
Ahead of the team flying to Jujuy for the first test against Argentina the following players will return to Scotland:
Damien Hoyland, Ben Muncaster, Matt Currie, Jamie Hodgson and Johnny Matthews.

Whatever did Johnny Mathews do to get sent home with four Luvvies?
Mind, I thought three of them had a decent showing against the mighty Chileans. Muncaster was a bit meh for me.

Muncaster and Hodgson just probably made one mistake to many in that game.

Hodgson lost out to Young - a tight but probably fsir call.

Hoyland got to feel a bit unlucky having scored a hat trick but i guess Mclean is seen as the younger option with maybe more potential to really break through.

Currie I thought played pretty well but is still inexperienced and going to be well down the pecking order of centres. His time will come.

Short of an injury, Mathews wss always going home unfortunately. Just hope the other hookers stay fit, or he might be coming back out again!

Smith or Hutchinson for FB then?

RDW wrote:Smith or Hutchinson for FB then?

Smith, Hutchinson can do a job there in a pinch but he's a centre really

Tramptastic wrote:

RDW wrote:Smith or Hutchinson for FB then?

Smith, Hutchinson can do a job there in a pinch but he's a centre really

Fully agree, but Toonie seems to like an uninspiring lump at 12!

RDW wrote:

Tramptastic wrote:

RDW wrote:Smith or Hutchinson for FB then?

Smith, Hutchinson can do a job there in a pinch but he's a centre really

Fully agree, but Toonie seems to like an uninspiring lump at 12!

Bring back Morrision "won't pass"
Bring back Schlong "Can't pass"
Bring back Dewey "oh god no"

Tramptastic wrote:

RDW wrote:

Tramptastic wrote:

RDW wrote:Smith or Hutchinson for FB then?

Smith, Hutchinson can do a job there in a pinch but he's a centre really

Fully agree, but Toonie seems to like an uninspiring lump at 12!

Bring back Morrision "won't pass"
Bring back Schlong "Can't pass"
Bring back Dewey "oh god no"

Richie V anyone?

Scotland team to face Argentina at the Estadio 23 de Agosto, Jujuy, live on Sky Sports, Saturday 2 July - kick-off 8.10pm BST.
15. Rory Hutchinson - Northampton Saints - 5 caps
14. Darcy Graham - Edinburgh Rugby - 27 caps
13. Mark Bennett - Edinburgh Rugby - 24 caps
12. Sam Johnson - Glasgow Warriors - 24 caps
11. Duhan van der Merwe - Worcester Warriors - 16 caps
10. Blair Kinghorn - Edinburgh Rugby - 31 caps
9. Ali Price - Glasgow Warriors - (Vice-Captain) - 51 caps

1. Pierre Schoeman - Edinburgh Rugby - 9 caps
2. George Turner - Glasgow Warriors - 25 caps
3. Zander Fagerson - Glasgow Warriors - 47 caps
4. Grant Gilchrist - Edinburgh Rugby - (Captain) - 53 caps
5. Jonny Gray - Exeter Chiefs - 67 caps
6. Magnus Bradbury - Edinburgh Rugby - 18 caps
7. Luke Crosbie - Edinburgh Rugby - 1 cap
8. Matt Fagerson - Glasgow Warriors - 21 caps

Replacements

16. Ewan Ashman - Sale Sharks - 2 caps
17. Rory Sutherland - Worcester Warriors - 18 caps
18. Javan Sebastian - Scarlets - 1 cap
19. Sam Skinner - Exeter Chiefs - 20 caps
20. Rory Darge - Glasgow Warriors - 4 caps
21. Ben White - London Irish - 4 caps
22. Ross Thompson - Glasgow Warriors - 1 cap
23. Sione Tuipulotu - Glasgow Warriors - 5 caps

Interesting team, with GG as skipper and Hutchy at FB.

No Watson or Darge but Crosbie makes his debut as a starter, which is well deserved.


You get the feeling that he might mix and match a bit on this tour and try out a few combinations throughout the games.


We may well see Thompson coming on at FH later in the game with Blairhorn moving back to FB and finally the Hutchy Bennett combo getting its long awaited try out.

Hutchinson it is! I really hope he's actually used as a 2nd playmaker, would be a real waste if not.

We know Gilchrist-Gray don't compliment each other

Strange no Watson

Other than that as expected!

In other news, Henry Aurendell named on the bench for England so that ship has definitely sailed

Good looking team, hope they can work well together and get the series off to a winning start. Been a while since I watched Argentina so looking forward to seeing what they can do in attack.

Well, that’s some backline.

Interesting to see how hutch goes at 15. Never seen him play pro rugby there so it’s a big ask against a puma team that isn’t shy of kicking the ball.

I feel if shug hadn’t been sadly cabbaged we’d have seen him there and hutch at 12 which would be an almighty attacking backline

Are we going back to the fastest brand of rugby in the world?

Hmmm, Hutch as a fullback. You have a few real plusses and minuses here.

On the down side, seeing Hutch at fullback gives Saints fans a solid skin rash. Not one of those bubbly, wet, slimy rashes, but a skin irritation none-the-less. He is a confidence player and needs to start well, especially as 15 is clearly not his best spot on the defensive side of things.

On the plus side, I agree if he is used as a second receiver he can really juice up the attack. He is a very quick and shifty runner, has a nice pass, sees the field, and can make plays. He might be a better attacking playmaker than your 10.

I like Hutch a lot and are glad he is at Saints. You will need one wing to be strong fielding kicks. As long as you know what you are getting, he can be a real difference maker.

Wee Darcy, despite being more Shame Williams than Nandolo, isn't too shabby at fielding kicks.

Duhan is the man likely to help with the kicking fielding though. He was deployed in that role by His Warreness in the lions games. It was more chasing attacking kicks though so we'll need to see what happens when it's defensive takes he's making.

tigertattie wrote:Wee Darcy, despite being more Shame Williams than Nandolo, isn't too shabby at fielding kicks.

Duhan is the man likely to help with the kicking fielding though. He was deployed in that role by His Warreness in the lions games. It was more chasing attacking kicks though so we'll need to see what happens when it's defensive takes he's making.

That's kind of funny, but I think Duhan is probably the perfect player to have pout there with Hutch. He can take the difficult kicks in traffic. Plus Hutch works well setting up the direct runners and playing off them.