Political round up.............

by **superflyweight** Mon 24 Oct 2022, 5:06 pm

First topic message reminder :

Duty281 wrote:Sunak speaks for a grand total of 84 seconds and then scuttles away to get his orders.

Crackpot.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 19 Apr 2023, 5:14 pm

Feel free to check this out...

Yougov....Why did you vote Labour at the GE17....

28% The manifesto !!!......

28% of 13m......3 1/2 million people....Sure plenty of them voted Lib Dem in 2015....

EHRC ruled Labour broke the law in two cases...and that there was political interference in the handling of complaints,,,,,,,Dating back before and during Corbyn..

Labour had 600,000 members..

It was political...Zionists are prominent in both parties....

The Tories have had a problem with Muslims for years ask Tory peer Saheeda Warsi......But that is okay.....No need for the eHRC and its appointees to check that...

Like I said Sanders was a huge Antisemite for a while before it stopped working....and he was a Jew.

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 21 Apr 2023, 1:44 pm

Chalk one up for Justice.

by Duty281 Sun 23 Apr 2023, 11:30 am

Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

by **Pr4wn** Mon 24 Apr 2023, 1:23 am

She's already been suspended and she'll go through the process, I suppose. She's almost certainly gone.

Interesting how you only surface in UK politics when there's a non-Tory scandal of some kind. It's peculiar.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 24 Apr 2023, 8:19 am

Pr4wn wrote:She's already been suspended and she'll go through the process, I suppose. She's almost certainly gone.

Interesting how you only surface in UK politics when there's a non-Tory scandal of some kind. It's peculiar.

...and also not true.

by the-goon2 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 8:41 am

Can black ppl be racist to jews? Woke ideology would suggest no they can't.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 1:32 pm

Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

by Duty281 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 1:40 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended and thrown out.

Labour does seem to have a continual racism problem. I see they quietly let that other racist MP, Rupa Huq, back into the party.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

by **superflyweight** Mon 24 Apr 2023, 1:40 pm

the-goon2 wrote:Can black ppl be racist to jews? Woke ideology would suggest no they can't.

The distress call of the thwarted bigot.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 1:48 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!! Political round up............. - Page 4 3845856932

Political round up............. - Page 4 3845856932

by Duty281 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 1:57 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!!

'seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party' - Evidently untrue.
'Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out' - She's a racist, that's why she's out.
'She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it' - She regretted being called out for her racism; she doesn't regret her views.
'Accept the apology' - Racism doesn't work that way. An apology doesn't absolve her.
'Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.' - Blair is the lowest of the low.
'If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care' - Completely false.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 2:05 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!!

'seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party' - Evidently untrue.
'Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out' - She's a racist, that's why she's out.
'She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it' - She regretted being called out for her racism; she doesn't regret her views.
'Accept the apology' - Racism doesn't work that way. An apology doesn't absolve her.
'Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.' - Blair is the lowest of the low.
'If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care' - Completely false.

Barry Sheerman a right wing Labour mp for Huddersfiled wrote an anti Jewish "Silver shekels" tweet and apologised (look it up)....

Didn't get admonished......Wonder why Abbott being a lefty is different.

You have a lot to learn about politics Duty my old friend. But I'll be on here from time to time to educate you.. Hug

by Duty281 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 2:14 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!!

'seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party' - Evidently untrue.
'Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out' - She's a racist, that's why she's out.
'She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it' - She regretted being called out for her racism; she doesn't regret her views.
'Accept the apology' - Racism doesn't work that way. An apology doesn't absolve her.
'Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.' - Blair is the lowest of the low.
'If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care' - Completely false.

Barry Sheerman a right wing Labour mp for Huddersfiled wrote an anti Jewish "Silver shekels" tweet and apologised (look it up)....

Didn't get admonished......Wonder why Abbott being a lefty is different.

You have a lot to learn about politics Duty my old friend. But I'll be on here from time to time to educate you..

I think taking an education from you would be a bit of a backward step if I'm honest.

Sheerman's comments were clumsy, not malicious, and there's a world of difference between the two. Besides which, Sheerman was talked into retirement as a result of the incident.

by the-goon2 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 3:19 pm

superflyweight wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:Can black ppl be racist to jews? Woke ideology would suggest no they can't.

The distress call of the thwarted bigot.

Petty name calling, is that the extent of your intellectual capacity?

by the-goon2 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 3:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!!

No Tory would say what she said because they tend not to be marxists. She has a marxist view on race, and is also an anti white and anti Jewish racist.

Remember she thinks Mao did more good than bad, only killed 80 odd million like.

by Samo Mon 24 Apr 2023, 4:49 pm

the-goon2 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:Can black ppl be racist to jews? Woke ideology would suggest no they can't.

The distress call of the thwarted bigot.

Petty name calling, is that the extent of your intellectual capacity?

If I used woke as a pejorative I wouldnt be questioning anyone elses mental capacity tbh.

by the-goon2 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 5:10 pm

Samo wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:Can black ppl be racist to jews? Woke ideology would suggest no they can't.

The distress call of the thwarted bigot.

Petty name calling, is that the extent of your intellectual capacity?

If I used woke as a pejorative I wouldnt be questioning anyone elses mental capacity tbh.

I didn't use as a pejorative, it's a description

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 24 Apr 2023, 5:56 pm

Companies are leaving the CBI just because they let a few sexual predators run around without sacking them. Don't you just hate this woke cancel culture?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 6:31 pm

the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!!

No Tory would say what she said because they tend not to be marxists. She has a marxist view on race, and is also an anti white and anti Jewish racist.

Remember she thinks Mao did more good than bad, only killed 80 odd million like.

Lincoln killed 300,000 odd Confederates as well as burning Cities like Savannah and is regarded as the greatest President the USA has ever had...

Not in the South though...........Harry Truman's Mother in law wouldn't sleep in the bedroom Lincoln used in the White House...Still hated now.

52% of Republicans are Anti semitic according to the 2020 American Jewish Society poll.......AS is more prevalent on the right.

Just saying... thumbsup

by Duty281 Mon 24 Apr 2023, 6:36 pm

'AS is more prevalent on the right' - but not in the UK. Labour have broken the law in this regard, no other party has.

Also worth noting that the poll you mention - 52% of Americans think the Republican Party holds some anti-semitic views (not 52% of Republicans are anti-semitic); with 42% of Americans thinking the same about the Democrat Party...so barely a difference.

by Samo Tue 25 Apr 2023, 5:45 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!!

No Tory would say what she said because they tend not to be marxists. She has a marxist view on race, and is also an anti white and anti Jewish racist.

Remember she thinks Mao did more good than bad, only killed 80 odd million like.

Lincoln killed 300,000 odd Confederates as well as burning Cities like Savannah and is regarded as the greatest President the USA has ever had...

WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR CONFEDERATES?!

by **Pr4wn** Tue 25 Apr 2023, 7:48 am

Also, as nobody else has mentioned this already, Dominic Raab is a pathetic bully who deserves to be nowhere near the levers of power.

....and yet he ranks somewhere in the middle of this government in Muppet.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 25 Apr 2023, 8:21 am

Pr4wn wrote:Also, as nobody else has mentioned this already, Dominic Raab is a pathetic bully who deserves to be nowhere near the levers of power.

....and yet he ranks somewhere in the middle of this government in Muppet.

I'm not really a Raab fan, but we don't know what he was judged against. As far as I can see, he did what he said he would - resigned if any claims were upheld. I do think there's an issue re. one person's definition of what constitutes 'bullying' cf. another's. He clearly didn't think he'd 'bullied' anyone, else why commission that investigation himself?

by GSC Tue 25 Apr 2023, 9:20 am

Nobody ever thinks of themselves as the villain

by the-goon2 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 10:09 am

Duty281 wrote:'AS is more prevalent on the right' - but not in the UK. Labour have broken the law in this regard, no other party has.

Also worth noting that the poll you mention - 52% of Americans think the Republican Party holds some anti-semitic views (not 52% of Republicans are anti-semitic); with 42% of Americans thinking the same about the Democrat Party...so barely a difference.

Some interesting additional context to that poll regarding AS.

Truss, why didn't you provide this info? Why did it take Duty to go out there and find it? It really changes the framing you initially gave.

by the-goon2 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 10:16 am

Samo wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Will Labour finally kick out the dismal racist that is Diane Abbott after her latest remarks in a letter to the Observer?

Hope not.......After all she is the most racially abused parliamentaran and no one gave a c**p...

So they should stay consistent.

Presumably you mean by members of the public, not actual MPs. If actual MPs racially abused her they would be suspended.

Are you a fan of Abbott?

Not a fan of her no but Anti Semitism as horrendous as it is....seems to be the only form of racism that sees you get kicked out of a party....If you are a Muslim baiter no one cares.

Labour's victory at Batley and Spen was all about immigration and nudge nudge the Musllims are supporting Galloway.

Abbott is screwed because she is a lefty and they want her out.....You know that...We all do...

She wrote something she shouldn't and regretted it...Accept the apology....Blair killed half a million people in an illegal war and that's okay.

What times we live in....If a Tory had said it you wouldn't care !!!

No Tory would say what she said because they tend not to be marxists. She has a marxist view on race, and is also an anti white and anti Jewish racist.

Remember she thinks Mao did more good than bad, only killed 80 odd million like.

Lincoln killed 300,000 odd Confederates as well as burning Cities like Savannah and is regarded as the greatest President the USA has ever had...

WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR CONFEDERATES?!

Do you actually think what Mao and Lincoln did are comparable? I mean to equate the 2 is so dishonest it's unbelievable.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 10:38 am

Duty281 wrote:'AS is more prevalent on the right' - but not in the UK. Labour have broken the law in this regard, no other party has.

Also worth noting that the poll you mention - 52% of Americans think the Republican Party holds some anti-semitic views (not 52% of Republicans are anti-semitic); with 42% of Americans thinking the same about the Democrat Party...so barely a difference.

Things aren't always true because you want them to be, Duty.

2017 report by the CAA...Campaign Against Antisemitism in conjunction with Yougov..

"Given certain Antisemitic tropes about Jewish people and asked if they agreed with them..blah blah blah"

Conservatives 40%
Labour...........32%
Lib Dem.........30%

Worth noting no one accused Corbyn and his party of being Antisemitic before he nearly took a surprised W in 2017.

Strange that..

by Duty281 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 11:21 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Things aren't always true because you want them to be, Duty.

Worth noting no one accused Corbyn and his party of being Antisemitic before he nearly took a surprised W in 2017.

That is hilarious with the amount of misinformation, outright lies, and polls you don't even understand the context of, that you post.

As I've already pointed out, Corbyn was accused of antisemitism before 2017, you just chose to ignore it.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 25 Apr 2023, 12:33 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:'AS is more prevalent on the right' - but not in the UK. Labour have broken the law in this regard, no other party has.

Also worth noting that the poll you mention - 52% of Americans think the Republican Party holds some anti-semitic views (not 52% of Republicans are anti-semitic); with 42% of Americans thinking the same about the Democrat Party...so barely a difference.

Things aren't always true because you want them to be, Duty.

2017 report by the CAA...Campaign Against Antisemitism in conjunction with Yougov..

"Given certain Antisemitic tropes about Jewish people and asked if they agreed with them..blah blah blah"

Conservatives 40%
Labour...........32%
Lib Dem.........30%

Worth noting no one accused Corbyn and his party of being Antisemitic before he nearly took a surprised W in 2017.

Strange that..

Not really. People tend not to go hunting the wacko opinions of people until, and unless, they reach significant levels of power. In any case, why wouldn't the party that was opposing Corbyn's go after such an obvious open goal?

by the-goon2 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 12:54 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Things aren't always true because you want them to be, Duty.

Worth noting no one accused Corbyn and his party of being Antisemitic before he nearly took a surprised W in 2017.

That is hilarious with the amount of misinformation, outright lies, and polls you don't even understand the context of, that you post.

As I've already pointed out, Corbyn was accused of antisemitism before 2017, you just chose to ignore it.

Mao and Lincoln, basically the same don't you know.

by No name Bertie Tue 25 Apr 2023, 5:45 pm

With regard Diana Abbott, I think an MP should have the "whip withdrawn" if they are found to be incompetent, corrupt, or knowingly lying to the public (or house) rather than for "clumsy" or rather stupid language.

I don't know the details of the Diana Abbott case but from what I gather from the headlines - in order exaggerate the claim of victim status for herself and her associated claimed group identity (past injustices in America and South Africa that had nothing to do with her as far as I know) she downplayed past injustices to other groups. Maybe she should have had the "whip withdrawn" for excessive stupidity.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 5:54 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Things aren't always true because you want them to be, Duty.

Worth noting no one accused Corbyn and his party of being Antisemitic before he nearly took a surprised W in 2017.

That is hilarious with the amount of misinformation, outright lies, and polls you don't even understand the context of, that you post.

As I've already pointed out, Corbyn was accused of antisemitism before 2017, you just chose to ignore it.

I'm just a poor little Roxbury boy that doesn't understand things like context... Crying or Very sad

So I need your expert understanding to explain this to me....

JTA..."Jewish Telegraphic Agency survey 2021 finds Conservatives are more likely to hold Anti semitic views than Liberals... "....

Amazing how polls show the GOP are more Anti semitic in the US and the Tories are more Antisemitic over here...

by Duty281 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 6:03 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Things aren't always true because you want them to be, Duty.

Worth noting no one accused Corbyn and his party of being Antisemitic before he nearly took a surprised W in 2017.

That is hilarious with the amount of misinformation, outright lies, and polls you don't even understand the context of, that you post.

As I've already pointed out, Corbyn was accused of antisemitism before 2017, you just chose to ignore it.

I'm just a poor little Roxbury boy that doesn't understand things like context...

So I need your expert understanding to explain this to me....

JTA..."Jewish Telegraphic Agency survey 2021 finds Conservatives are more likely to hold Anti semitic views than Liberals... "....

Amazing how polls show the GOP are more Anti semitic in the US and the Tories are more Antisemitic over here...

Sure thing - the context of that poll is that it mostly polled people under 30.

You haven't yet produced a poll showing the GOP are more anti-semitic (not something I've disputed or hold a view on in any instance), or the Tories are more anti-semitic.

When Labour have actually broken the law on anti-semitism, and the Tories haven't, I'm not sure why you're looking to polls anyway.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 6:15 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Things aren't always true because you want them to be, Duty.

Worth noting no one accused Corbyn and his party of being Antisemitic before he nearly took a surprised W in 2017.

That is hilarious with the amount of misinformation, outright lies, and polls you don't even understand the context of, that you post.

As I've already pointed out, Corbyn was accused of antisemitism before 2017, you just chose to ignore it.

I'm just a poor little Roxbury boy that doesn't understand things like context...

So I need your expert understanding to explain this to me....

JTA..."Jewish Telegraphic Agency survey 2021 finds Conservatives are more likely to hold Anti semitic views than Liberals... "....

Amazing how polls show the GOP are more Anti semitic in the US and the Tories are more Antisemitic over here...

Sure thing - the context of that poll is that it mostly polled people under 30.

You haven't yet produced a poll showing the GOP are more anti-semitic (not something I've disputed or hold a view on in any instance), or the Tories are more anti-semitic.

When Labour have actually broken the law on anti-semitism, and the Tories haven't, I'm not sure why you're looking to polls anyway.

EHRA investigation was political........If it wasn't they would have investigated the Tories over Islamophobia as Baroness Warsi the Tory peer wanted...Much more fruit on the tree there....But the Establishment wanted to stop Corbyn..

The members of the EHRA were Centrists and Tories......and they only found two illegalities out of 600,000 members....

Wow a real hotbed of AS...

Last I heard the National Front/BNP were right wing and they were Hitler lovers......Agreeing with the "Final solution" or denying it existed..

Right ?? thumbsup

Or have I got the context wrong.... Cool

by Duty281 Tue 25 Apr 2023, 7:10 pm

EHRC, not EHRA. If you're going to criticise them at least get their name right.

The establishment didn't want to stop Corbyn. Corbyn was the worst Labour leader in history, delivering them their biggest defeat in 80 years and failing to beat a useless May. No establishment needed to stop him. But love the delusion of Corbyn cultists who think that a grand conspiracy was necessary to defeat him.

Yes, two illegalities. Making two more than the Tories. Making Labour anti-semitic. (Actually three)

'The members of the EHRA were Centrists and Tories' - let's see if you can back up this claim with evidence.

Not sure where you're going with the National Front/BNP stuff. The BNP were economically left-wing, as it goes.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 26 Apr 2023, 9:48 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm just a poor little Roxbury boy that doesn't understand things like context...

So I need your expert understanding to explain this to me....

JTA..."Jewish Telegraphic Agency survey 2021 finds Conservatives are more likely to hold Anti semitic views than Liberals... "....

Amazing how polls show the GOP are more Anti semitic in the US and the Tories are more Antisemitic over here...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:...Last I heard the National Front/BNP were right wing and they were Hitler lovers......Agreeing with the "Final solution" or denying it existed...

Good grief. Tories != NF/BNP. Stop drawing false equivalencies. Nice try, but no cigar for you.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:EHRA investigation was political........If it wasn't they would have investigated the Tories over Islamophobia as Baroness Warsi the Tory peer wanted...Much more fruit on the tree there....But the Establishment wanted to stop Corbyn..

Shock! Horror! Or, or, or...could it be...that there, maybe, perhaps, is another explanation than the one you have decided (FACT!) is the case? The FACT is that the EHRC found that Labour had acted unlawfully over discrimination and harassment. FACT. What the Tories did/do re. Islamophobia is neither here nor there re. this inconvenient FACT that you don't like

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by lostinwales Wed 26 Apr 2023, 10:48 am

superflyweight wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:Can black ppl be racist to jews? Woke ideology would suggest no they can't.

The distress call of the thwarted bigot.

However clumsily stated the goon has a point, which is kind of linked to a lot of the behaviour of the further left parts of our political system. They are very keen to support various causes but tend to stick
to their own definitions of those causes. Hence racism is something done by white people to POC, other forms of abuse based on differences are only 'prejudice'. In Diane Abbott's case there is a good argument that the 'apology really doesn't help at all.

Diane Abbott has had a remarkable career and will always be listed in history as the first black female MP in the UK - but in recent years she has looked more and more foolish. The mojito thing was a complete non story and really poor of the media. The basic math failures was not a good look, and it is hard to think of anything she achieved in Corbyn's shadow cabinet. She was very typical of the majority of that group - seemingly appointed because of her history with Corbyn and shared political view rather than actual competency.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 26 Apr 2023, 12:52 pm

Diane Abbott thinks about Racism on Color lines......She regards anti traveller and anti Jewish views as prejudice..

As she has condemned Antisemitism on many occasions I find it hard to accuse her of being an Antisemite...

As the definition of Antisemitism is a hostility towards Jewish people....

Just anti left hysteria and Starmer sees a chance to get rid of someone that cares about Fair taxation....Public sector workers...The Environment and Social Justice..

All the foundations Attlee and other great Labour guys believed in that this Corporation backside licking Labour Party hate these days.

by No name Bertie Wed 26 Apr 2023, 1:11 pm

David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 26 Apr 2023, 2:36 pm

No name Bertie wrote:David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

Lying is factored in to Politics......Why these cretins are held in such low esteem.....

I'm not really bothered Boris had a party in his garden...Not really bothered Starmer did the same thing......

Plenty of people broke the "Embargo"..... devil

by lostinwales Wed 26 Apr 2023, 3:40 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

Lying is factored in to Politics......Why these cretins are held in such low esteem.....

I'm not really bothered Boris had a party in his garden...Not really bothered Starmer did the same thing......

Plenty of people broke the "Embargo".....

Starmer didn't. That is the point

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 26 Apr 2023, 5:35 pm

lostinwales wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

Lying is factored in to Politics......Why these cretins are held in such low esteem.....

I'm not really bothered Boris had a party in his garden...Not really bothered Starmer did the same thing......

Plenty of people broke the "Embargo".....

Starmer didn't. That is the point

That's right the Labour Police Commissioner he has just made his aide said he didn't.....Silly me.

by Samo Wed 26 Apr 2023, 5:53 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

Lying is factored in to Politics......Why these cretins are held in such low esteem.....

I'm not really bothered Boris had a party in his garden...Not really bothered Starmer did the same thing......

Plenty of people broke the "Embargo".....

Im sure you have evidence to back up that claim?

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 26 Apr 2023, 5:59 pm

Samo wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

Lying is factored in to Politics......Why these cretins are held in such low esteem.....

I'm not really bothered Boris had a party in his garden...Not really bothered Starmer did the same thing......

Plenty of people broke the "Embargo".....

Im sure you have evidence to back up that claim?

Photographic evidence of Beer and sandwiches in a nice little gathering......When such gatherings were banned you mean ?.

You are a bright boy doesn't take long to look it up.......But like I said the LABOUR Commissioner who now has a top job with him says it wasn't a gathering....So what do I know....

Anyway my adopted club City destroying Arsenal awaits me as does a whinging Red head.....So adieu.. Political round up............. - Page 4 3559488474

Political round up............. - Page 4 3559488474

by Samo Wed 26 Apr 2023, 6:11 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Samo wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

Lying is factored in to Politics......Why these cretins are held in such low esteem.....

I'm not really bothered Boris had a party in his garden...Not really bothered Starmer did the same thing......

Plenty of people broke the "Embargo".....

Im sure you have evidence to back up that claim?

Photographic evidence of Beer and sandwiches in a nice little gathering......When such gatherings were banned you mean ?.

You are a bright boy doesn't take long to look it up.......But like I said the LABOUR Commissioner who now has a top job with him says it wasn't a gathering....So what do I know....

Anyway my adopted club City destroying Arsenal awaits me as does a whinging Red head.....So adieu..

Thats a lot of words when "No" would have done the same job.

by Duty281 Fri 28 Apr 2023, 2:07 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65387801

Good analysis here of the upcoming local elections. Tories defending 3,363 of the 8,050 seats, but are actually polling better than the last time these seats were contested (May 2019; the nadir of May's tenure)...but that's more than cancelled out by Labour's sharp rise in support since 2019.

The Tories, who have bridged the gap to Labour in recent months but still trail by double digits, will try to keep their losses below 1,000. If their losses are 800+ it's fair to say they've had a bad night. Anything fewer and Sunak might be able to spin it.

But the key thing to watch will be Labour. Last year's local elections revealed a discontent with the current Tory party (485 losses), but with Labour's gains only being 108, and nearly being eclipsed by the Greens, there was a distinct lack of enthusiasm for Starmer's Labour, which doesn't augur well ahead of a General Election. Will this year be different?

by lostinwales Fri 28 Apr 2023, 4:13 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Samo wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:David Cameron resigned like a child because he didn't get his way. Boris Johnson resigned rather than ~~being sacked~~ (can't be sacked) having a vote of no confidence against him in Parliament for misleading statements about some sort of party. Dominic Raab resigned his Cabinet Office rather than being sacked by Rishi Sunak over "bullying" allegations. Diane Abbott had the whip withdrawn. There was some sort of kerfuffle over comments made by Naseem Shah but I don't recall the details (accusations of anti-semitism, an apology, some sort of training course attendance, no lasting problem).

No-one seems to get penalized for incompetence, corruption, knowingly misleading the public over consequential matters. Bojo's partygate I think was insignificant but a proper inquest should have been had over possible misleading statements given to the public and the house over consequential matters because "once a liar always a ...." However I suspect the Official States Secrets Act (or whatever it is called) was specifically developed to cover such backsides.

Lying is factored in to Politics......Why these cretins are held in such low esteem.....

I'm not really bothered Boris had a party in his garden...Not really bothered Starmer did the same thing......

Plenty of people broke the "Embargo".....

Im sure you have evidence to back up that claim?

Photographic evidence of Beer and sandwiches in a nice little gathering......When such gatherings were banned you mean ?.

You are a bright boy doesn't take long to look it up.......But like I said the LABOUR Commissioner who now has a top job with him says it wasn't a gathering....So what do I know....

Anyway my adopted club City destroying Arsenal awaits me as does a whinging Red head.....So adieu..

It was fully investigated and the main issue seems to have been the guy who trespassed onto the property to take the questionable footage in the first place. Not quite the same as the habitual flaunting of the rules at no.10 that the Conservative government managed, rules that they had brought in themselves. It is the hypocrisy that really gets people upset.

by Samo Fri 05 May 2023, 6:27 am

52/230 councils declared and the Tories already on -174 as of 6:25am. Labour and Lib Dems up 104 and 49 respectively, and Greens up 29.

Labour gain control of 2 councils while Tories lose control of 5 so far.

by mountain man Fri 05 May 2023, 8:47 am

Labour will win big I think which is likely fore runner to General Election when it happens.

Assuming Labour do win GE, wonder how many strikes happen then....

by Duty281 Fri 05 May 2023, 10:40 am

Looks like a bad to very bad night for the Tories, but as last year Labour results not looking outstanding. Still a fair while to go, mind. Thought these comments by John Curtice were interesting:

Curtice told the BBC it was too early to draw firm conclusions. But he said three trends stood out.

"One, turnout is only slightly down on both 2019 and 2022, which at least is prima facie evidence against the argument that there was a significant loss of turnout as a result of the voter ID requirements.

Secondly, we cannot discern any relationship between the fall in turnout, such as it was, and the proportion of people who, according to the 2021 census, don’t have a passport in the areas, which is one indicator of the availability of the requirement for voter ID.

And, thirdly, we certainly can’t see any link between the extent to which turnout fell and how well or badly Labour did. In fact, if anything, Labour tended to do rather better in wards where turnout fell most, which certainly argues against the Conservative claim that Labour were simply doing better because their voters stayed at home. And equally [it] also argues against the Labour claim that they were going to be disadvantaged by the voter ID pilot."

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