2024 US Presidential Election

by Duty281 Wed 24 May 2023, 11:10 am

First topic message reminder :

Thought we should have a thread on it, as Ron DeSantis is expected to launch his campaign on Twitter this evening. He's trailing Trump by a big margin for the Republican nomination, around 37% behind in the polling average. But there's a lot of time for things to change and the oddsmakers only have DeSantis as a 2/1 outsider, against Trump's 2/5. Doesn't appear to be any other serious contenders for the Republican nomination at this point.

Biden is expected to run again and defend his crown, but his advancing age (he's into his 80s now) and low approval ratings means he may be vulnerable to a Democratic challenger. The most likely challenger seems to be Robert Kennedy Jr. who has already announced his candidacy and has polled as high as 21%, but that was still 49% behind Biden. As such, Biden's a 2/9 clear favourite to be the Democrat nominee in 2024, but if he drops out for whatever reason then the race is wide open.

Only 531 days until the election...

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 15 Jun 2023, 5:46 pm

I just looked at the sun and saw three dots. It was a solar ellipse.
drumroll

by Duty281 Thu 15 Jun 2023, 5:48 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:Might be worth noting that apart from Truss, I doubt anyone on here would advocate for the old-skool definition of socialism. Nor do the Labour Party or the Democrat Party. There may be a few on the radical fringe that do, but there are also radical right-wing white supremacists.
Socialism means many things to many people these days.

I'm more of a Roosevelt New Deal guy than an out an out Socialist.....I'm for aspiration with a heart..

But as everyone on here is Center right I just look like one.....

Didn't you say earlier today that you'd vote for Boris Johnson over Labour?

I can't vote for a guy who kicks out decent people and renegades on everything he has ever pledged....Corporate Wh**e is Starmer.

Two Conservative parties...Might as well vote for the real one..

Didn't Johnson eject any non-Brexiteer from the Tory party and lie about pretty much everything during his time in office? Or am I thinking of a different Johnson?

I don't like Johnson.....Prefer him to the charisma-less...charlatan running Labour..

Got good news for you, Truss: you don't actually have to vote for either one if you don't like 'em. I don't like 'em and so I've never voted Tory or Labour in my life.

by the-goon2 Fri 16 Jun 2023, 11:49 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Personally, I'm not convinced there's anything amiss with many socialist ideas; we're social beings. It's clearly a balance, but where is the line drawn for the best? I'm not so extreme to think that all 'socialism' is 'evil'. Maybe the human race isn't ready for it?

IMO, it's also clear to me that a free-for-all and individual freedoms overriding social responsibilities isn't the way to go either. Too many individuals are far too greedy and think the hindmost should just die off; we're past that as a species now I would hope.

It is indeed a balance. Very few people want the absence of government, and very few people want a government with total control. It's only about the size. Size matters!

It is indeed a balance needed. You need need a government to enforce the law, and protect the country from invasion and advocate for its citizens internationally. They need to be elected by a knowledgeable and conscientious electorate that understand the implications of what they are voting for, not just today, but in 10/20 years time too.

I think we can all admit that socialism has been a great entry point for the too much control part you mentioned, hence we should be a little more wary when someone comes along advocating for it. Like I said, it's happened sooo many times.

Maybe a question you should ask, would I support this government program if it were being run by the BNP?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 20 Jun 2023, 2:04 pm

Rasmusson poll....

Trump 45
Biden..39

Biggest lead yet.

--------------------------------------

Harris poll.....If Trump and Biden are chosen does the Country need an alternative choice for the voters ????

Yes 69%
No..31%

by the-goon2 Wed 21 Jun 2023, 5:39 pm

Same poll has 55% of voters think the charges against Trump are politically motivated vs 45% who don't.

Including a majority of independents.

That alternative choice is RFK, the question is: will he sell out like Bernie and fall in line when the dems screw him out of the nomination?

by Derek Smalls Wed 21 Jun 2023, 11:28 pm

Is Trump going to use the insanity plea cos that’s the only reason why he would keep talking incriminating himself even more.
It still amazes me that those are the two contenders for 2024 and they’re both cuckoo.

by Derek Smalls Wed 21 Jun 2023, 11:31 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
mountain man wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:The regime is doing everything they can to stop Trump from winning in 2024.

Bogus impeachments
Constant smears and lies
Social Media censorship
Now prison time

All this does is undermine the democratic system in the US. Only a fool can't see that this is a political witch hunt.
Even the left wing partisans know it is, but since they are partisans, they don't care. But they'll lie about it being what it is.

It might be a political witch hunt but then again only a fool would defend Trump or think he's not guilty. He incited the riot on Capitol hill, he had documents he shouldn't have, he tried to "persuade" Raffensperger to find him votes, on tape admitting sexually abusing women etc etc etc.

All Presidents have documents they shouldn't have...Non Presidents like Clinton were done for taking home classified documents...It's BS...All Commanders in Chief hide stuff or try to..

DOJ and the rest of Biden's beat are scared of Trump and are targetting him.......Kennedy had Nixon and his family audited regularly....Roosevelt had his people follow President Hoover around because he was the leading anti war voice......"Old Men like Roosevelt always start wars but it is our Youth that pays the price"...

Wake up buddy...No "might" about it.....Trump is leading Biden in the polls !!...,,Trump didn't try to stop the riot but there is no evidence to say he incited it but he certainly may have been happy to see it go......Fox news and other GOP supporting media were more to blame..
What is it about this that you, and so many others, don't appear to understand?!?

This is not, primarily, about having the docs. It's about that bumhole's response to NARA requests, abiding by the PRA etc etc when he's asked to return what he shouldn't have had in the first place. That's, presumably, why Pence was cleared of any wrongdoing. I imagine Biden will be too. Trump is just an bumhole, but not as dumb as those who cling to him in spite of the obvious. Trump should go down for this (which sounds like a slam dunk for the prosecutors TBH), and the Georgia interference if there's any justice.

If Trump goes down and wins, he can rule from prison..perhaps this is the moment the USA collapses for good.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 26 Jun 2023, 2:16 pm

Derek Smalls wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
mountain man wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:The regime is doing everything they can to stop Trump from winning in 2024.

Bogus impeachments
Constant smears and lies
Social Media censorship
Now prison time

All this does is undermine the democratic system in the US. Only a fool can't see that this is a political witch hunt.
Even the left wing partisans know it is, but since they are partisans, they don't care. But they'll lie about it being what it is.

It might be a political witch hunt but then again only a fool would defend Trump or think he's not guilty. He incited the riot on Capitol hill, he had documents he shouldn't have, he tried to "persuade" Raffensperger to find him votes, on tape admitting sexually abusing women etc etc etc.

All Presidents have documents they shouldn't have...Non Presidents like Clinton were done for taking home classified documents...It's BS...All Commanders in Chief hide stuff or try to..

DOJ and the rest of Biden's beat are scared of Trump and are targetting him.......Kennedy had Nixon and his family audited regularly....Roosevelt had his people follow President Hoover around because he was the leading anti war voice......"Old Men like Roosevelt always start wars but it is our Youth that pays the price"...

Wake up buddy...No "might" about it.....Trump is leading Biden in the polls !!...,,Trump didn't try to stop the riot but there is no evidence to say he incited it but he certainly may have been happy to see it go......Fox news and other GOP supporting media were more to blame..
What is it about this that you, and so many others, don't appear to understand?!?

This is not, primarily, about having the docs. It's about that bumhole's response to NARA requests, abiding by the PRA etc etc when he's asked to return what he shouldn't have had in the first place. That's, presumably, why Pence was cleared of any wrongdoing. I imagine Biden will be too. Trump is just an bumhole, but not as dumb as those who cling to him in spite of the obvious. Trump should go down for this (which sounds like a slam dunk for the prosecutors TBH), and the Georgia interference if there's any justice.

If Trump goes down and wins, he can rule from prison..perhaps this is the moment the USA collapses for good.

No former President will be going to prison......Tell me a President that hasn't done what Trump has regarding Documentation that is classified....

Latest poll....

Trump 41
Biden 40
West 6

This is the main problem.........West has to hit 15% to get on the debate stage where he can really shine.......Only Perot has done that in history....

He can make 10% but 15 I can't see it..

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 28 Jun 2023, 6:26 pm

Biden thinks the Ukraine are winning the war against "Iraq....."

Other news.....Yougov.

Trump 44
Biden 40...

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 10 Jul 2023, 10:51 am

Biden's approval with Rasmusson is 45%
Biden's approval with Yougov.......is 38%

One sees him win easy......One sees him lose comfortably.....

Hard to know where we are at the moment....But the economy is steadily improving it seems....and happy wallets win elections..

by the-goon2 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 10:58 am

I don't think the economy is doing well. Until inflation is under control, the average voter will not have a happy wallet.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 12:47 pm

the-goon2 wrote:I don't think the economy is doing well. Until inflation is under control, the average voter will not have a happy wallet.

It's improving.........Good argument saying...."Do you want to risk tampering with a growing Economy"..

Only problem is I'm not sure Biden is going to make the Election..

by the-goon2 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 1:21 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:I don't think the economy is doing well. Until inflation is under control, the average voter will not have a happy wallet.

It's improving.........Good argument saying...."Do you want to risk tampering with a growing Economy"..

Only problem is I'm not sure Biden is going to make the Election..

At best it is stabilizing, but when you are seen as the reason for the decline, you don't get much credit for even that.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 2:37 pm

Florida poll...

Trump 49
Biden..39

Result was 51-48 in 2020......

Nevada poll...

Biden 47
Trump43

WH 2020 50-48 Biden........

Part of a continuing trend that sees Biden holding up in the West and struggling in the South....

by Duty281 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 3:17 pm

Where's this Nevada poll, Truss?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 3:34 pm

Duty281 wrote:Where's this Nevada poll, Truss?

Saw it on Fivethirtyeight or some site.......Biden doing especially well in Arizona which although it is "SouthWest" borders Utah so It's down to interpretation....

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 14 Jul 2023, 2:21 pm

Former Green presidential candidate Jill Stein is running Cornel West's campaign for the job.....

Good stuff let's get Cornel on the ticket and watch the great Man go.....

by No name Bertie Wed 26 Jul 2023, 5:51 pm

It seems that Robert F Kennedy Jr is gaining popular support. If he doesn't gain the Democratic Nomination (surely he cannot as long as Biden remains physically capable) might he run as an Independent Candidate? With regard the Republican Nomination if we discount Trump who is most likely to gain the nomination?

ps Has Elon Musk lost his mind - he seems to have rebranded Twitter as "X". Nobody sends tweets anymore they send x's.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 26 Jul 2023, 6:56 pm

No name Bertie wrote:It seems that Robert F Kennedy Jr is gaining popular support. If he doesn't gain the Democratic Nomination (surely he cannot as long as Biden remains physically capable) might he run as an Independent Candidate? With regard the Republican Nomination if we discount Trump who is most likely to gain the nomination?

ps Has Elon Musk lost his mind - he seems to have rebranded Twitter as "X". Nobody sends tweets anymore they send x's.

I assume tweets have now also been rebranded as Xcretions.

by Duty281 Wed 26 Jul 2023, 9:18 pm

Trump with an average lead of 35% over DeSantis; Biden with an average lead of 51% over Kennedy.

We're going to get a rematch that no one wants, like Fury/Chisora.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 27 Jul 2023, 3:28 pm

Duty281 wrote:Trump with an average lead of 35% over DeSantis; Biden with an average lead of 51% over Kennedy.

We're going to get a rematch that no one wants, like Fury/Chisora.

Going to get Trump if West is the official green candidate...

Trump 42
Biden 40
West 5

by the-goon2 Fri 28 Jul 2023, 1:30 pm

I don't understand how Biden is polling so high. it has been one disaster to another, nearly all his making.

I think voters are just telling pollsters what they think pollsters want to hear.

by **Pr4wn** Fri 28 Jul 2023, 5:11 pm

the-goon2 wrote:I don't understand how Biden is polling so high. it has been one disaster to another, nearly all his making.

I think voters are just telling pollsters what they think pollsters want to hear.

That's what happens when you spend all of your online time inside an echo chamber. Incomprehension at others' points of view.

by the-goon2 Mon 31 Jul 2023, 9:30 am

Pr4wn wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:I don't understand how Biden is polling so high. it has been one disaster to another, nearly all his making.

I think voters are just telling pollsters what they think pollsters want to hear.

That's what happens when you spend all of your online time inside an echo chamber. Incomprehension at others' points of view.

I'm on this site, is this an echo chamber for my views?

So why is he then? Is it the inflation? the out of control crime? The woke virtue signaling? The insane spending? The gaffs? The afgan pull out? The economy in the toilet?
What is making him so popular?

by **Pr4wn** Mon 31 Jul 2023, 3:36 pm

If you're not sure, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

"Woke virtue signaling"? Honestly....

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 31 Jul 2023, 3:57 pm

the-goon2 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:I don't understand how Biden is polling so high. it has been one disaster to another, nearly all his making.

I think voters are just telling pollsters what they think pollsters want to hear.

That's what happens when you spend all of your online time inside an echo chamber. Incomprehension at others' points of view.

I'm on this site, is this an echo chamber for my views?

So why is he then? Is it the inflation? the out of control crime? The woke virtue signaling? The insane spending? The gaffs? The afgan pull out? The economy in the toilet?
What is making him so popular?

Crime is falling buddy....Inflation is at a two year low......Biden has overseen record investment in infrastructure.....Pardonned all federal offences for Marijuana possession.....Brought in more background checks in the gun safety fight....Unemployment has been under 4% for the longest stretch since the 60s....

All this while inheriting the Covid problem....

However standard of living rose under Trump more because Obama was bringing the US out of the Iraq based Bush recession....

Am I a Biden fan no.......But he is better than Trump....Will he beat him ???......Depends on how cognitive he is..

I'd bet on Trump..

by the-goon2 Mon 31 Jul 2023, 5:12 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:I don't understand how Biden is polling so high. it has been one disaster to another, nearly all his making.

I think voters are just telling pollsters what they think pollsters want to hear.

That's what happens when you spend all of your online time inside an echo chamber. Incomprehension at others' points of view.

I'm on this site, is this an echo chamber for my views?

So why is he then? Is it the inflation? the out of control crime? The woke virtue signaling? The insane spending? The gaffs? The afgan pull out? The economy in the toilet?
What is making him so popular?

Crime is falling buddy....Inflation is at a two year low......Biden has overseen record investment in infrastructure.....Pardonned all federal offences for Marijuana possession.....Brought in more background checks in the gun safety fight....Unemployment has been under 4% for the longest stretch since the 60s....

All this while inheriting the Covid problem....

However standard of living rose under Trump more because Obama was bringing the US out of the Iraq based Bush recession....

Am I a Biden fan no.......But he is better than Trump....Will he beat him ???......Depends on how cognitive he is..

I'd bet on Trump..

Crime is still out of control, many democrat led cities in the US are experiencing record crime waves, and crime is up massively since 2019.

Inflation is also still very high, if it is over 4-5%, then it's high.

Record spending rather then investment, doubtful it has been invested wisely.

The unemployment stats are the same as under Trump, but due to inflation the purchasing power of the workers is far less. It's effectively a pay cut.

by the-goon2 Mon 31 Jul 2023, 5:14 pm

Pr4wn wrote:If you're not sure, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

"Woke virtue signaling"? Honestly....

What do you call appointing a black female SC justice based on her race and sex? One that is so dense she can't define what a woman is.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 31 Jul 2023, 5:20 pm

Honestly, you're so offensive that you're driving people away from this board.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 31 Jul 2023, 5:25 pm

the-goon2 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If you're not sure, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

"Woke virtue signaling"? Honestly....

What do you call appointing a black female SC justice based on her race and sex? ...

Your actual evidence for this is?

by the-goon2 Tue 01 Aug 2023, 8:37 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If you're not sure, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

"Woke virtue signaling"? Honestly....

What do you call appointing a black female SC justice based on her race and sex? ...
Your actual evidence for this is?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/retiring-us-justice-breyer-appear-with-biden-white-house-2022-01-27/

by the-goon2 Tue 01 Aug 2023, 8:43 am

Pr4wn wrote:Honestly, you're so offensive that you're driving people away from this board.

Really? I'm the one that receives the verbal abuse, not the other way around.

Do you have an example of me being offensive?

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 01 Aug 2023, 3:24 pm

the-goon2 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If you're not sure, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

"Woke virtue signaling"? Honestly....

What do you call appointing a black female SC justice based on her race and sex? ...
Your actual evidence for this is?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/retiring-us-justice-breyer-appear-with-biden-white-house-2022-01-27/

That's not evidence of what you claim. At all. He stated very clearly that he would look to appoint a black, female Justice, but at no point did he state, or imply, that such an appointment would be unworthy as measured by appropriate expertise, experience or qualification.

Your interpretation of this says more about you than it does about anything else I'm afraid.

by the-goon2 Tue 01 Aug 2023, 5:21 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If you're not sure, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

"Woke virtue signaling"? Honestly....

What do you call appointing a black female SC justice based on her race and sex? ...
Your actual evidence for this is?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/retiring-us-justice-breyer-appear-with-biden-white-house-2022-01-27/

That's not evidence of what you claim. At all. He stated very clearly that he would look to appoint a black, female Justice, but at no point did he state, or imply, that such an appointment would be unworthy as measured by appropriate expertise, experience or qualification.

Your interpretation of this says more about you than it does about anything else I'm afraid.

Quote from Biden:

"While I've been studying candidates' backgrounds and writings, I've made no decision except one: the person I nominate will be someone with extraordinary qualifications, character, experience and integrity - and that person will be the first Black woman ever nominated to the United States Supreme Court. It's long overdue, in my view," Biden said.

Can you read? It's exactly that. Every potential justice that wasn't a black female wasn't even considered for the role. It is simple discrimination based on race and sex, and is at complete odds with meritocracy.

A potentially more capable non-black and/or non-female was removed from the selection pool, not because of talent, experience or temperament, but due to how they were born.

I guess discrimination is ok when done in the correct direction... this says more about you than it does about anything else I'm afraid.

As it turns out, they appointed a moron who can't define what a woman is. Go figure.

by Soul Requiem Tue 01 Aug 2023, 5:31 pm

by **JuliusHMarx** Tue 01 Aug 2023, 5:31 pm

the-goon2 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If you're not sure, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

"Woke virtue signaling"? Honestly....

What do you call appointing a black female SC justice based on her race and sex? ...
Your actual evidence for this is?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/retiring-us-justice-breyer-appear-with-biden-white-house-2022-01-27/

That's not evidence of what you claim. At all. He stated very clearly that he would look to appoint a black, female Justice, but at no point did he state, or imply, that such an appointment would be unworthy as measured by appropriate expertise, experience or qualification.

Your interpretation of this says more about you than it does about anything else I'm afraid.

Quote from Biden:

"While I've been studying candidates' backgrounds and writings, I've made no decision except one: the person I nominate will be someone with extraordinary qualifications, character, experience and integrity - and that person will be the first Black woman ever nominated to the United States Supreme Court. It's long overdue, in my view," Biden said.

Can you read? It's exactly that. Every potential justice that wasn't a black female wasn't even considered for the role. It is simple discrimination based on race and sex, and is at complete odds with meritocracy.

A potentially more capable non-black and/or non-female was removed from the selection pool, not because of talent, experience or temperament, but due to how they were born.

I guess discrimination is ok when done in the correct direction... this says more about you than it does about anything else I'm afraid.

As it turns out, they appointed a moron who can't define what a woman is. Go figure.

So what you're saying is that having studied the candidates' backgrounds and writings, Biden could not possibly have found a number of suitable black, female candidates that were as good as or better than the white candidates, and then drawn up a short-list consisting of those black female candidates. An interesting viewpoint.

by dummy_half Wed 02 Aug 2023, 11:11 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:...

So what you're saying is that having studied the candidates' backgrounds and writings, Biden could not possibly have found a number of suitable black, female candidates that were as good as or better than the white candidates, and then drawn up a short-list consisting of those black female candidates. An interesting viewpoint.

And the candidate Biden proposed was more qualified and suited to the role than the last two of Trump's picks (N.B. while I may not agree with Gorsuch's politics, his qualifications for the role as an Associate Justice are impeccable - can't say the same about Kavanagh or AC-B, in the latter case mainly because of her inexperience). And it isn't as though making a selection based on race is new - Clarence Thomas was nominated by Bush snr mainly because of his race, to replace the retiring Thurgood Marshall, the first ever black member of SCOTUS.

I think part of the issue here is whether to be nominated to be part of SCOTUS is a case of identifying THE ONE best candidate, or whether there are actually a few (maybe a few tens) of candidates who have the qualifications and experience to fulfill the roll. In the latter case, clearly it is reasonable in certain circumstances to only look at a subset of the possible candidates, to bring a previously unrepresented perspective to the Court.

Hell, it's not that long ago that there hadn't been a woman Associate Justice (Sandra Day O'Connor, nominated by Reagan in 1981, again, based on a pledge by Reagan during the campaign to appoint the first woman to the SCOTUS).

Now, of course the idea of politicians, especially Presidents, appointing Judges is an absurdity on its face (because it is so open to bias), but that's the system the US has, and it has definitely been corrupted over the last 40 or so years at least with increasingly political picks and a more politicised vetting process.

by No name Bertie Wed 02 Aug 2023, 11:57 am

I think the sitting elected US President nominates a Judge when a seat on the Supreme Court of the US becomes available, then it is up to Senate to accept or reject the nomination. If Senate accept the nomination then that person is appointed to the Supreme Court. If Senate rejects the person the President has to nominate another and the process repeats. Once a new Judge is appointed then decisions of the court are the result of a collective of nine judges. Judges are appointed for life but can resign or retire or they can be thrown out by an impeachment process. This process is ordained by the US Constitution and is supposed to be the best way of making the appointments in a democratic system that has separation of powers as well as balances between powers. Even though the judges are appointed for life a judge going AWOL or something else can be kicked out.

The Court doesn't make law only interprets the law. The Supreme Court I believe makes decisions as to whether something is constitutional or unconstitutional. If something is deemed unconstitutional then those practices or those laws must be stopped / repealed.

by mountain man Thu 03 Aug 2023, 10:23 am

Seems incredible that it's a reasonable possibility Trump could be elected President yet be behind bars.

He's highly likely to get Republican nomination and if he goes up against the increasingly doddery Biden, Trump could win again.

Whether he will be found guilty and even then serve any time is yet to be seen but just the prospect of it makes it utterly ridiculous.

by lostinwales Thu 03 Aug 2023, 10:34 am

Trump is only 3 years younger and there is every chance those bone spurs will catch up with him eventually

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 03 Aug 2023, 12:00 pm

lostinwales wrote:Trump is only 3 years younger and there is every chance those bone spurs will catch up with him eventually

Suspect Trump will snuff it first. Biden, at least, keeps in relatively decent shape. Trump is just a lard arse who glorifies his awful diet; only positive I've hear of is him not drinking.

Funny really. No real evidence that Biden has actually lost his marbles re. policy or politics; simply being old is being held against him. Surprised it's allowed these days, to be honest, but then he's white, male, 1st world and relatively wealthy, so apparently fair game.

by mountain man Thu 03 Aug 2023, 5:00 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
lostinwales wrote:Trump is only 3 years younger and there is every chance those bone spurs will catch up with him eventually
Suspect Trump will snuff it first. Biden, at least, keeps in relatively decent shape. Trump is just a lard arse who glorifies his awful diet; only positive I've hear of is him not drinking.

Funny really. No real evidence that Biden has actually lost his marbles re. policy or politics; simply being old is being held against him. Surprised it's allowed these days, to be honest, but then he's white, male, 1st world and relatively wealthy, so apparently fair game.

Come on, there's enough evidence to see he's losing it. He is 80 but quite honestly an old 80 I'd say. So many lapses in concentration, train of thought, "mis-speaking" etc. No-one is holding being old against him but don't you worry that the most powerful man in the world (apparently) is looking and acting decidedly decrepid?

by Duty281 Thu 03 Aug 2023, 9:23 pm

Navy chooses to ignore the evidence for Biden's obvious cognitive decline. Apparently Biden requiring cue cards that tell him how to behave in a meeting - 'YOU enter the room and say hello to participants'; 'YOU take your seat' - is all perfectly normal.

But America has such a big problem with many elderly members of congress who have cognitive decline, so perhaps it's not surprising to have the President follow that. What a state America is in...

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 04 Aug 2023, 8:24 am

Duty281 wrote:Navy chooses to ignore the evidence for Biden's obvious cognitive decline. Apparently Biden requiring cue cards that tell him how to behave in a meeting - 'YOU enter the room and say hello to participants'; 'YOU take your seat' - is all perfectly normal.

But America has such a big problem with many elderly members of congress who have cognitive decline, so perhaps it's not surprising to have the President follow that. What a state America is in...

What will he be like in 5 years' time if he gets in again? Still better than the alternative!

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 07 Aug 2023, 6:27 pm

mountain man wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
lostinwales wrote:Trump is only 3 years younger and there is every chance those bone spurs will catch up with him eventually
Suspect Trump will snuff it first. Biden, at least, keeps in relatively decent shape. Trump is just a lard arse who glorifies his awful diet; only positive I've hear of is him not drinking.

Funny really. No real evidence that Biden has actually lost his marbles re. policy or politics; simply being old is being held against him. Surprised it's allowed these days, to be honest, but then he's white, male, 1st world and relatively wealthy, so apparently fair game.

Come on, there's enough evidence to see he's losing it. He is 80 but quite honestly an old 80 I'd say. So many lapses in concentration, train of thought, "mis-speaking" etc. No-one is holding being old against him but don't you worry that the most powerful man in the world (apparently) is looking and acting decidedly decrepid?

Not really. He's old, but I don't hear anyone saying he's losing it re. actual policy and politics. Doesn't worry me re. his age - what are you suggesting he'll get up to just because he's 'old'?

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 07 Aug 2023, 6:29 pm

Duty281 wrote:Navy chooses to ignore the evidence for Biden's obvious cognitive decline. Apparently Biden requiring cue cards that tell him how to behave in a meeting - 'YOU enter the room and say hello to participants'; 'YOU take your seat' - is all perfectly normal.

But America has such a big problem with many elderly members of congress who have cognitive decline, so perhaps it's not surprising to have the President follow that. What a state America is in...

Agree re. general old age in Congress, but for me, I'd rather older individuals with experience etc than some trendy no-mark w/ none of the above. Big deal re. any cue cards; note that you qualify that with 'apparently'.... thumbsup

by Duty281 Mon 07 Aug 2023, 7:29 pm

The apparently relates to you thinking it's normal, not that it apparently happened.

Biden definitely needs cue cards telling him very basic stuff. No apparently about that.

by No name Bertie Mon 07 Aug 2023, 8:10 pm

It's America, the land of the free and the home of the brave. Biden has to give speeches, answer questions and engage in the debates. They elected Bush Jr twice and he had problems in articulation, mixing and conflating words and phrases. However his presence in the debates won him the elections because he appeared calm and avuncular and unflustered. Personally I would like to see Robert Kennedy Jr over Biden but it is America's choice. Kennedy has spasmodic dysphonia which means he also has a problem speaking. Trussman has credited Biden for his domestic policies and indicates many are happy with that. The British Media tend only to report foreign policy and issues concerning equality so we in Britain don't get the full picture and it is usually domestic policies that win elections.

TRUSSMAN66 (paraphrased) wrote: Crime is falling ...Inflation is at a two year low......Biden has overseen record investment in infrastructure.....Pardonned all federal offences for Marijuana possession.....Brought in more background checks in the gun safety fight....Unemployment has been under 4% for the longest stretch since the 60s.... All this while inheriting the Covid problem....

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 14 Aug 2023, 12:46 pm

No name Bertie wrote:It's America, the land of the free and the home of the brave. Biden has to give speeches, answer questions and engage in the debates. They elected Bush Jr twice and he had problems in articulation, mixing and conflating words and phrases. However his presence in the debates won him the elections because he appeared calm and avuncular and unflustered. Personally I would like to see Robert Kennedy Jr over Biden but it is America's choice. Kennedy has spasmodic dysphonia which means he also has a problem speaking. Trussman has credited Biden for his domestic policies and indicates many are happy with that. The British Media tend only to report foreign policy and issues concerning equality so we in Britain don't get the full picture and it is usually domestic policies that win elections.

TRUSSMAN66 (paraphrased) wrote: Crime is falling ...Inflation is at a two year low......Biden has overseen record investment in infrastructure.....Pardonned all federal offences for Marijuana possession.....Brought in more background checks in the gun safety fight....Unemployment has been under 4% for the longest stretch since the 60s.... All this while inheriting the Covid problem....

Bush won because his Brother gave him Florida and his garbage performance in the debates was neutralised by Gore tutting at all his answers and getting in his face over the Texan Clown's nonsensical musings over medicare....As for 2004 against the useless Kerry.....Still some goodwill left over a "succesful" invasion......Took a while for the disaster to sink in...

If only Gore had won.........No Iraq war and the World would be a safer place.

by No name Bertie Fri 18 Aug 2023, 5:16 am

Politico (12/8/2023) wrote:.... Two new polls of Republican primary voters show 38-year-old first-time political candidate Vivek Ramaswamy edging out DeSantis for second place ..... Overall, polling averages put him in third place .... However his polling strength comes almost entirely from polls conducted over the internet (second at 11%) rather than polls conducted among panels of people (third at 6.8%) and over polls conducted randomly over the telephone (seventh at 2.6%).

There’s no singular, obvious explanation for the disparity, but there are some leading theories for it, namely the demographic characteristics and internet literacy of Ramaswamy’s supporters, along with the complications of an overly white audience trying to pronounce the name of a son of immigrants from India over the phone....

Unlike other candidates who have invested significant financial resources to gain traction Ramaswamy has done it almost entirely on the back of earned media. Ramaswamy, who is mostly self-funding his campaign, has spent $1.8 million on TV and digital advertising, far less than the other contenders ... the attention he has garnered comes from TV and digital media catering to the highest-intensity voters paying the closest attention to the race thus far that are over-represented in opt-in internet polls. This could change when he’s on the debate stage later this month...

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