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Post by Rugby Fan Fri 21 Jun 2024, 1:55 pm

England

15. George Furbank
14. Immanuel Feyi-Waboso
13. Henry Slade - vice-captain
12. Ollie Lawrence
11. Tommy Freeman
10. Marcus Smith
9. Alex Mitchell

1. Bevan Rodd
2. Jamie George - captain
3. Dan Cole
4. Maro Itoje - vice-captain
5. George Martin
6. Chandler Cunningham-South
7. Sam Underhill
8. Ben Earl - vice-captain

Replacements
16. Theo Dan
17. Joe Marler - vice-captain
18. Will Stuart
19. Charlie Ewels
20. Tom Curry
21. Harry Randall
22. Fin Smith
23. Tom Roebuck

Japan

15. Yoshitaka Yazaki
14. Jone Naikabula
13. Dylan Riley
12. Tomoki Osada
11. Koga Nezuka
10. Lee Seung-sin
9. Naoto Saito

1. Takayoshi Mohara
2. Mamoru Harada
3. Shuhei Takeuchi
4. Sanaila Waqa
5. Warner Dearns
6. Michael Leitch
7. Tiennan Costley
8. Faulua Makisi

Replacements
Atsushi Sakate
Shogo Miura
Keijiro Tamefusa
Amanaki Saumaki
Kai Yamamoto
Shinobu Fujiwara
Rikiya Matsuda
Samisoni Tua

It's a young and inexperienced Japan team. Prop Mohara, hooker Harada, Costley the open-side, and Yazaki the full back are four uncapped players in the starting XV. There's been a lot of hype about Yazaki, who is only 20, and still playing university rugby rather than Top League. He has been in national training camps, and did feature for Japan XV in April's World Rugby Pacific Challenge. All the talk ahead of the match is about Japan looking to play fast.

The game is at the Japan National Stadium in the centre of Tokyo. That's where the Rugby World Cup final was due to be held but it wasn't ready in time, so the main matches were switched to Yokohama. That means none of the England players have been to this venue before. It has a capacity of 68,000, or up to 80,000 if they put seating on the running track but they probably won't do that. Tickets are still available, but there should be a big crowd. More than 60,000 turned out when Japan played the All Blacks in 2022 (which NZ only just won, with a score of 31-38).

The rainfront threatening Tokyo came back and dumped on us on Friday. It's officially start of the annual rainy season but it's expected stay dry tomorrow. For all the talk of terrible humidity, the rain has cleared the air a bit, so it might not be as muggy as feared.


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Post by doctor_grey Fri 21 Jun 2024, 2:02 pm

I will have to be awake at 1:30 am, my time to see Charlie Ewels?  Def not my idea of a good time...

Thanks for all the background, mate....

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Post by mountain man Fri 21 Jun 2024, 2:53 pm

Aside from a few players like Leitch can't say many of the Japan team are familiar. I'm sure Eddie got them good and ready with a few tricks up his sleeve though.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 21 Jun 2024, 3:02 pm

mountain man wrote:Aside from a few players like Leitch can't say many of the Japan team are familiar. I'm sure Eddie got them good and ready with a few tricks up his sleeve though.
My goodness, I can't believe Leitch is still playing. He must be about 100 years old. Seems as if he has been playing forever....

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 21 Jun 2024, 3:16 pm

doctor_grey wrote:I will have to be awake at 1:30 am, my time to see Charlie Ewels?  Def not my idea of a good time...

Thanks for all the background, mate....

That's an odd take when Ewels is a bench option likely to get half an hour at most. Backline talent teaming with Saints talent for you as well.

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Post by mountain man Fri 21 Jun 2024, 3:25 pm

Michael Leitch been superb for Japan for over a decade, he was capt in past(not sure if still is?) and has been Japan's Sergio Parisse. Raised standard of those around him for many a year. He is getting to end of career though now.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 21 Jun 2024, 3:44 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:I will have to be awake at 1:30 am, my time to see Charlie Ewels?  Def not my idea of a good time...

Thanks for all the background, mate....

That's an odd take when Ewels is a bench option likely to get half an hour at most. Backline talent teaming with Saints talent for you as well.
A half hour of Charlie Ewels is still a half hour too much.

I just hope the England back line can take advantage of not only the Saints, but I really want to see Smith M and IFW go off. This back line could be something.

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Post by carpet baboon Fri 21 Jun 2024, 4:07 pm

Has an England team ever had so many hyphens?

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Post by mountain man Fri 21 Jun 2024, 4:11 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Has an England team ever had so many hyphens?

Two of them with Feyi-Waboso and Cunningham-South. There are twice the number of vice captains.

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Post by Rugby Fan Fri 21 Jun 2024, 4:55 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Has an England team ever had so many hyphens?
They have become more common. In 12 months, we've had Hassell-Collins, Cunningham-South and Feyi-Waboso.

After Nigel Starmer-Smith in 1969, there wasn't a single hyphen until Richard Pool-Jones got a cap in 1998. A year later, Barrie-Jon Mather got in with a rare Christian name hyphen.

The first high profile England player with a double-barrelled name in the pro era was probably James Simpson-Daniel. Since him, we've had Doran-Jones (2009), Turner-Hall (2012) and Cowan-Dickie (2015). Don't know whether two of those ever overlapped in the same England team

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 21 Jun 2024, 6:42 pm

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carpet baboon wrote:Has an England team ever had so many hyphens?
They have become more common. In 12 months, we've had Hassell-Collins, Cunningham-South and Feyi-Waboso.

After Nigel Starmer-Smith in 1969, there wasn't a single hyphen until Richard Pool-Jones got a cap in 1998. A year later, Barrie-Jon Mather got in with a rare Christian name hyphen.

The first high profile England player with a double-barrelled name in the pro era was probably James Simpson-Daniel. Since him, we've had Doran-Jones (2009), Turner-Hall (2012) and Cowan-Dickie (2015). Don't know whether two of those ever overlapped in the same England team
This is an outrage! A damned outrage! We are effing-England. We must have hyphens. No-one does hyphens better blydi-England.

I don't care that it is probably a remnant of back in the day when marrying your cousin was good business and everyone had hyphens (don't mind that facial tic).

How-could-we-let-this-happen?

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Post by carpet baboon Fri 21 Jun 2024, 7:12 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Has an England team ever had so many hyphens?
They have become more common. In 12 months, we've had Hassell-Collins, Cunningham-South and Feyi-Waboso.

After Nigel Starmer-Smith in 1969, there wasn't a single hyphen until Richard Pool-Jones got a cap in 1998. A year later, Barrie-Jon Mather got in with a rare Christian name hyphen.

The first high profile England player with a double-barrelled name in the pro era was probably James Simpson-Daniel. Since him, we've had Doran-Jones (2009), Turner-Hall (2012) and Cowan-Dickie (2015). Don't know whether two of those ever overlapped in the same England team

That is the kind of knowledge that keeps me coming back to this site.
Utterly useless but at the same time the exact kind of knowledge I crave.
Bravo sir. Bravo

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 22 Jun 2024, 5:07 am

At 1:00pm, the sun has dried yesterday's rain. It is intermittently cloudy, with temperatures likely to hit a high of around 28 degrees. A warm summer's day but not as humid as the player's experienced when they were last in Japan. All in all, a decent day for rugby.

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 6:36 am

Conditions look good, dry at least.
Pundits in studio in UK as expected but Flatman and co are good.

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 6:57 am

Not the most convincing start by England, couple dropped balls, pens conceded and one at scrum.
Japan though looking really sharp and as expected keeping pace very high. How long they can maintain it though might be key.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:03 am

This is disappointing - the match stream does not work in USA, or so it seems.  Just got it going by watching on one of my laptops with the UK VPN. There was nothing indicating the Rugby Pass stream was geographically restricted.

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:06 am

Quick recap for you then, Japan v good, England not.

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:08 am

That's better, try for CCS.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:09 am

Looked like it was on right from the lineout.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:10 am

Japan had two lineout mauls with no return, while England have a try from their first. That's the main difference between the teams so far.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:16 am

So far 115 metres gained by Japan and only 15 by England.

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:16 am

England conceded 2 or 3 breakdown pens, not good. Several dropped balls which looks like simple handling rather than moisture. Hard to tell on screen but doesn't look soaking.
Early days yet but England look a bit rusty but that's expected .
England kicking from hand not up to par either.
After 20 mins so far quite underwhelming

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:20 am

Early shove by Japan conveniently overlooked...

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:22 am

Great try, really good vision and pace by Smith.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:23 am

Fantastic move and great line out throw by our fearless leader

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:24 am

This is what this England team should be able to do.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:24 am

Nice set piece move creates a lovely gap for Smith to scoot through. Won’t catch out many international defences that easily, but what was encouraging was the number of options in support.

After that initial fumble of the kick off, CCS is having a good game, especially in defence.
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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:25 am

Good start by CCS, he's putting himself about.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:28 am

That looked easy.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:28 am

Comedy quick tap from Rodd, but Smith draws the defenders and gives IFW a walk in. He’s reading the game well.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:30 am

Smith does look very good. Mitchell pretty good as well. A team can go far with a strong halfback pairing.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:31 am

Japan really trying to keep it fast paced.

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Post by Geordie Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:31 am

Is Smith looking like the 10 SB wants?

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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:33 am

England a bit lucky there, but it was definitely a knock on - a player coming forward loses control and then runs into the ball himself. It was, counter to the commentary, knocked forward.
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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:34 am

After a shaky first 15 England setting in. Difference is they are taking chances and Japan aren't.
Smith showing he deserves start for sure.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:34 am

Not a very straight lineout there. Ramos has been harsh on England for penalties but fairly lenient on the scrum offences.
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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:36 am

The Japan number 5, Deans looks like Chessum. It's the curly hair

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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:39 am

England finally get a breakdown penalty. They might have had a couple more.

CCS takes the lineout [whistles]
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:39 am

Japan starting to lose the breakdown battle. So maybe the initial 10-15 minutes was simply this England group getting the rust off? That said, England still don't look completely comfortable despite now being up 3-21.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:39 am

Sloppy

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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:40 am

Poor rucking there, though. The ball carrier got isolated and Japan will exploit that.

And the pattern repeats - another CCS lineout, another slow breakdown.
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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:41 am

Lovely intercept from IFW
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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:42 am

England definitely rusty. Scoreline flatters a bit although well taken tries.
Breakdown poor really by England, need to be better against NZ.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:42 am

That was lovely. Great vision from Smith and Slade.

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:43 am

Marcus has had a brilliant first half, really good. What a kick for Slade try.

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Post by Welshmushroom Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:43 am

All a bit too easy for England this is....

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Post by Poorfour Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:43 am

Smith sees the space and puts in the crossfield kick for Slade to get the BP.

Three tries created in three different ways by Smith, with the forwards adding the first one to round out the mix of styles.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:44 am

That was a nice kick to Slade for the try. But right before I was thinking England had stagnated near the Japan 22 and needed an idea. Then the great individual effort by Smith. But I want to see England go through the phases and unlock teams by doing the basics well.
3-26 at the half.

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Post by Welshmushroom Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:45 am

Do Japan still have Leitch playing? He must be knocking on 50 at this point?

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Post by mountain man Sat 22 Jun 2024, 7:50 am

Welshmushroom wrote:Do Japan still have Leitch playing?  He must be knocking on 50 at this point?

So you're not watching match then.

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