Haye vs Klitschko Build Up Thread

[Scottrf]

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[Rowley]

Just my opinion but it seems an awful lot of people are vying for the man with the better personality. Since when has boxing been a contest of personalities? Haye may or may not be a likeable person in everyday life but whatever he may be, I just know he's a more appealing fighter and one closer to home. That's why I'll be behind him on 2nd July.

Who here honestly believes a Wlad win would be better for the division and why?

Theres reasons for and against. Haye intends on retiring soon and may not even end up fighting Vitali which would be a major dissappointment.

Also, what has been more appealing about Hayes heavyweight reign? He has fought one top rated heavyweight to date in a snorefest and the rest have been rubbish match ups with Barret, Ruiz and Harrison.

He was reasonably exciting as a cruiserweight where he was hard hitting and could attack more against weaker opponents. But as a heavyweight he has not thrilled in the slightest so far.

Tend to agree Manos apart from talking a lot and generally telling us how exciting he has been how many thrill rides has Haye supplied since he made the move to heavy. Valuev and Harrison were god awful fights, one of them against one of the most inept heavyweight title challengers in history, the only exciting fights he has delivered have been against very limited opposition

[Rowley]

Don't really get the idea I have to support a guy just because he happens to be born on the same lump of rock than me. Whilst I would probably still want Haye to win this it certainly is not going to break my heart if he doesn't. He plans to retire in a few months so is hardly going to provide the shot in the arm people believe the division needs and whatever his reasons such as selling the fight, getting under Wlad's skin I personally have found his conduct in the run up to this fight lacking in class and uncouth. Am I meant to ignore all this just because he shares the same nationality as me.

Overstepping the line is overstepping, doesn't become any more palatable or acceptable based on the nationality of who is doing it.

[coxy0001]

Am I meant to ignore all this just because he shares the same nationality as me.

Always thought you were Canadian

[Guest]

So does Haye get it in the neck because he promised excitement that failed to live up to the hype but Wlad gets a pass despite years of mediocrity?

One has to ask just how great Wlad's opposition has been over the years...if we're levelling accusations of facing poor opposition, that is!

Let's be honest here fellas, the HW division has been poor for years (and that's putting it mildly) and, even BEFORE Haye came on the scene, Wlad and his brother had essentially sealed the fate of the division with some utterly horrendous defences. The Ibragimov 'fight' will forvever be used as a shi**y stick to beat Wlad over the head with, and rightly so.

Haye has tried to inject some life into the division and met with limited success. The K's have been content to keep all the marbles and the boxing bodies have been complicit in this by refusing to recognise either brother as a challenger for the other's title thus forcing them to either fight or vacate.

[BALTIMORA]

Haye has tried to inject some life into the division and met with limited success. The K's have been content to keep all the marbles and the boxing bodies have been complicit in this by refusing to recognise either brother as a challenger for the other's title thus forcing them to either fight or vacate.

This is particularly galling given how quickly Martinez was stripped of titles at both 154 and 160, in order that first Alvarez then Chavez could pick up a trinket.

edit: OK, I've just realised Martinez vacated at 154, but nonetheless it amounts to largely the same thing.

[Rowley]

Dave never claimed the brothers have been a thrill a minute white knuckle ride for the division but the reality is they have never claimed to be. The point I was making is Haye's claim to be doing so is not really one that stands up to a deal of analysis. The point that more annoys me is this idea you have to support a guy solely because he is from the same country as you or turn a blind eye to behaviour you personally find objectional.

[Guest]

I agree with the nationalism/naionalist issue wholeheartedly. I don't feel obliged to support a fight because he's English any more than I look forward to watching a fighter get beaten just because he's...let's say WELSH!

As for the K's, just because they've never claimed to be exciting shouldn't be any reason to excuse them for suffocating the HW division.

[Rodney]

Thanks for those Scott

I'm an old fashioned some would say miserable swine, having just watched the the face off promo, I'm totally put off by Haye's demeanour complete smut if you ask me, doesn't really show any smart wit or intelligence in a similar way the Mayweathers conduct themselves. However I'd accept I'm in the minority here heard all my colleagues saying how wonderfully hiliarious Celebrity Juice was again I found it complete smut, guess I'm stuck in the past even at 31 years old.

However looking forward to the fight, not too fussed who the victor is, someone's nationality really isn't defining for me, I wouldn't support Peter Sutcliffe in a fight just because he was British, prettybchildish outlook if you ask me. A great fight for boxing, but I can see this going the distance for some reason, dont think Haye will be gung-ho in the slightest, I can actually say Wlad as the aggressor.

cheers


Rodders

[Mind the windows Tino.]

Don't really get the idea I have to support a guy just because he happens to be born on the same lump of rock than me. Whilst I would probably still want Haye to win this it certainly is not going to break my heart if he doesn't. He plans to retire in a few months so is hardly going to provide the shot in the arm people believe the division needs and whatever his reasons such as selling the fight, getting under Wlad's skin I personally have found his conduct in the run up to this fight lacking in class and boorish. Am I meant to ignore all this just because he shares the same nationality as me.

Overstepping the line is overstepping, doesn't become any more palatable or acceptable based on the nationality of who is doing it.

There you go again Rowley, using "boorish" in conversation. You really need to expand your repertoire of medium-level insults.

I agree with your principle, I think it was the Duke of Wellington who said something along the lines of "just because I was born in a stable, doesn't make me a horse". Someone earlier used the example of Anthony Small and he perfectly illustrates the flaw in the whole "support your own" argument. Am I really supposed to follow someone whose actions are so abhorrent, just because I happen to have the same country on my passport. It is just utterly nonsensical.

Haye was trying to get the fight with Wlad for two reasons I guess. One, to have a "defining" fight, and also to make as much cash as possible from said fight, not necessarily in that order either. Now I am not blaming him for this, it is a tough, dangerous sport and he has the absolute right to make as much money as possible, but the level of some of his actions has been pretty base. But, that is just my opinion and I am sure many others don't agree.

I think the big problem is, if Haye wins, which I do hope he does, and sticks to his retirement plan then I guess Wlad will just pick up the belts again anyway as there doesn't really appear to be many other world class HW's out there ready to take up the slack. Someone may develop, even one of the domestic guys that are around at the moment, but it doesn't look imminent.

[Rowley]

Just unpatriotic Rodders, so unamerican, good to see you back on here all the same mate

[Rowley]

There you go again Rowley, using "boorish" in conversation. You really need to expand your repertoire of medium-level insults.
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[Rodney]

Thanks Jeff mate

I worked in the states for two years maybes I can class myself American as well.

[Guest]

31 year old? Rodders, I always had you down as Windy's seperated-at-birth twin.

Just to play Devil's Avocado Pear, does anyone think the TV companies may also be complicit in some of the activities here? Given the rise of these 24/7 type shows, I sure the producers are pushing for the Good Guy/Bad Guy angle and perhaps suggesting the fighters play it up for the cameras. Or does that make me look cynical?

By the way, I'm prepared to accept the possibility that Haye might just be a horrible person...just to ward off accusations of nuthuggery!

[Rowley]

My belief Dave is Haye wants Wlad to come out and try and take his head off as he believes him leaving his chin in the air is his best chance of victory, think he realises if Wlad sticks to his tried and tested jab, right hand method it will be a tough nights work. Think he will be disappointed as Wlad and Manny are not dumb but guess he has to try what he thinks will work

[Guest]

I suppose the same applies for the other camp. They'll be of the opinion that Haye will want to come out aggressive looking for an early stoppage but it could be that Haye DOES play it cagey early doors.

Personally I think Haye will look to land early and keep Wlad's hands firmly tucked by his ears with necessarily looking for the KO. If that happens, he takes away the jab. Maybe Haye then tries to work the body and bring the hands down (why does NO-ONE ever try that?) and then look to land more telling blows.

He has to try keep Wlad guessing though so Wlad can't get into any sort of rhythm. I do believe Haye's lateral movement is key here. I also believe that he needs, strange as it may seem, to get Wlad on the back foot. Wlad goes into his shell when his opposition comes forward. he's done it for years and he'll never change that aspect of his game.

Haye on the offensive with Wlad feeling somewhat gunshy after tasting a few shots early doors?

I'm surprised by many people's belief that the occasion will get to Haye, the man was BORN to perform on the big stage and I think he'll love it. I don't even think it matters whether the crowd is hostile or not just as long as there's some noise and the British fans won't be lacking in that department.

As I've said before, there's always going to be a good argument as to why Wlad wins but if he does, I doubt it will be done early doors. He simply doesn't finish fights early and the only way this one finishes early is if Haye gets sloppy.

That being said, I'm sticking my neck out (and a crisp tenner) on Haye to win by stoppage by the halfway point.

[Rowley]

Ruddy hell Dave, a yorkshireman parting with a tenner!!!!! you must be confident. On the back of the crisp tenner I wagered on Rhodes this weekend our repuation for parsimony will be blown out of the water

[HumanWindmill]

Guys,

Some time ago Steffan and I struck a deal. He promised me to put an end to the Welsh Nationalist stuff, and I promised him I'd try to stop the slagging off of the Welsh to rile him up. Steffan has kept his word.

If you each have little good natured jibes at each other over the ' Welsh ' issue I'll keep my nose out, since it's not for me to spoil banter or dictate what you all discuss. However, if it should escalate to the point at which one or other party is offended I will have to edit comments in accordance with my promise to Steffan.

I hope you'll all agree that that is fair and that I am not being intrusive.

[Scottrf]

If you can get Steffan to stop writing articles in bold I'll agree.

[Rodney]

31 year old? Rodders, I always had you down as Windy's seperated-at-birth twin.
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Just in looks not in numbers, Dave mate.

Don't think is Haye is a bad person, he come across really well on a sky sports show "Hard Knocks" Don't think his doing himself any favours whatever psychological games his playing, his coming across as a bit of a James DeGale in this fight.

I'd assume the natural tactic would be for Haye to come out swinging, but have a feeling Haye/Booth are going to try and win this on the back foot looking for openings or even to steal the fight ala Groves, whether this tactic is likely to pull off the upset I'm not to sure.

cheers

Rodders

[coxy0001]

If you can get Steffan to stop writing articles in bold I'll agree.

And italics

Personally i'd disable the wysiwyg

[BALTIMORA]

Ruddy hell Dave, a yorkshireman parting with a tenner!!!!! you must be confident. On the back of the crisp tenner I wagered on Rhodes this weekend our repuation for parsimony will be blown out of the water

A whole tenner? Is he buying a house?

[Rowley]

For that money Balti hope he is getting one of them fancy ones with an inside toilet.

[BALTIMORA]

For that money Balti hope he is getting one of them fancy ones with an inside toilet.

I don't 'old wi' such witchcraft mes'en.

[Guest]

Not sure anyone's slagged off the Welsh here, Windy, I've simply used the word Welsh to emphasise the point that, irrespective of where a fighter's from or how I feel about that particular country (generally ambivalent to be honest) my loyalities are firmly with "the fight game" and nothing else. It's also a shot word to type. I could have used the word "Dutch" but the Dutch don't generate any real feelings one way or the other with anyone (except the Germans by all accounts)

Rowley, now I've seen my previous post in print, I'm starting to get somewhat sweaty at the prospect of opening my wallet and taking out some money (given that the very task itself would probably also constitute exercise for me). However, given you've already made the bold move, I feel I'm letting the side down and I don't want to run trhe risk of opening the "Yorkshiremen are tightfisted" floodgates should I renege on the deal I've made with myself

[Guest]

A tenner fer an 'ouse? I'd 'ave to ask me father-in-law fer a sub!

[Mind the windows Tino.]

"Yorkshiremen are tightfisted"

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Like a ducks bum in water.

[Fists of Fury]

"Yorkshiremen are tightfisted"

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Like a ducks bum in water.

Like a camels bum in a sandstorm.

[HumanWindmill]

Not sure anyone's slagged off the Welsh here, Windy, I've simply used the word Welsh to emphasise the point that, irrespective of where a fighter's from or how I feel about that particular country (generally ambivalent to be honest) my loyalities are firmly with "the fight game" and nothing else. It's also a shot word to type. I could have used the word "Dutch" but the Dutch don't generate any real feelings one way or the other with anyone (except the Germans by all accounts)

Nobody has, Dave, and everything is going along nicely. I just wanted to put everybody in the picture so that the banter can continue without escalation.

[coxy0001]

"Yorkshiremen are tightfisted"

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Like a ducks bum in water.

Like a camels bum in a sandstorm.

Like a nuns babymaker in a gang bang

[Guest]

Like a kiddie fiddler's bottom in a courtroom!

[Mind the windows Tino.]

"Like a nuns babymaker in a gang bang"

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"nuns babymaker". Surely that's an oxymoron Coxy?!

[coxy0001]

"Like a nuns babymaker in a gang bang"

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"nuns babymaker". Surely that's an oxymoron Coxy?!

Ok....

Nuns c**t

Will that suffice?!?!?

[Rowley]

Nuns Coat??? Now I'm confused

[Mind the windows Tino.]

"Like a nuns babymaker in a gang bang"

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"nuns babymaker". Surely that's an oxymoron Coxy?!

Ok....

Nuns c**t

Will that suffice?!?!?

Awesome!

(shuffles off whilst Coxy gets spanked by a Mod)

[Guest]

Nuns c**t
Is that anywhere near Nuneaton?

[coxy0001]

Nuns c**t
Is that anywhere near Nuneaton?

You saying nuns eat out of it as well?!

[BALTIMORA]

Nuns c**t
Is that anywhere near Nuneaton?

You saying nuns eat out of it as well?!

Could that be the grail we hear tales of..?

[The genius of PBF]

Looks like some posters are getting off topic...this thread is the build up to Klitschko vs Haye.

In the face off it looked like at one point Klitschko was going to attack Haye...Haye and Max Kellerman both admitted this as well in the face off.

Like I said Rowley Wlad doesn't need to stick his chin out for Haye to find it, Haye's speed and the angles he throws his punches will be too much for Wlad too deal with...believe me he will find Wlads chin.

Wlad will be worried about throwing the jab as well as he knows when he throws it he will be open to a counter from Haye.

Hopefully Haye will get his due after the fight as lot of people still dont realise how good Haye is.

[Mind the windows Tino.]

Looks like some posters are getting off topic...this thread is the build up to Klitschko vs Haye.

Where? I haven't seen that happening?

[Guest]

Looks like some posters are getting off topic...this thread is the build up to Klitschko vs Haye.

Where? I haven't seen that happening?

Yeah, God forbid we talk about someone called POOCHIAO sitting some form of exam or B-Hop making new friends and influencing prisoners"

[Rowley]

PBF would not rule it out but personally think people are doing Wlad a massive disservice, for me he has developed into a pretty well rounded fighter. He knows exactly what works for him and how to utilise the assetts he has to their absolute best. Whilst I can see a situation where Haye gets through have we really had any evidence that Haye is a nuclear puncher at heavyweight? Don't doubt he can dig but what happens if he connects and Wlad is still there or manages to muddle through.

Really hope I am wrong but think Wlad will stay focussed and cautious early and once he starts to grow into the fight he will break Haye down slowly before stopping him late

[The genius of PBF]

Looks like some posters are getting off topic...this thread is the build up to Klitschko vs Haye.

Where? I haven't seen that happening?

Yeah, God forbid we talk about someone called POOCHIAO sitting some form of exam or B-Hop making new friends and influencing prisoners"

or someone who spends most their time on a boxing forum on about the unrelated boxing stuff and copies Trussman personal life.

[coxy0001]

Looks like some posters are getting off topic...this thread is the build up to Klitschko vs Haye.

Where? I haven't seen that happening?

Yeah, God forbid we talk about someone called POOCHIAO sitting some form of exam or B-Hop making new friends and influencing prisoners"

or someone who spends most their time on a boxing forum on about the unrelated boxing stuff and copies Trussman personal life.

Least he doesn't document in a rather proud way what a current boxer "did" in prison.

Your kind aren't allowed on 'ere sunshine!

[The genius of PBF]

PBF would not rule it out but personally think people are doing Wlad a massive disservice, for me he has developed into a pretty well rounded fighter. He knows exactly what works for him and how to utilise the assetts he has to their absolute best. Whilst I can see a situation where Haye gets through have we really had any evidence that Haye is a nuclear puncher at heavyweight? Don't doubt he can dig but what happens if he connects and Wlad is still there or manages to muddle through.

Really hope I am wrong but think Wlad will stay focussed and cautious early and once he starts to grow into the fight he will break Haye down slowly before stopping him late

Rowley he hits harder than Brewster and Brewser had him out of there. I can't really see Wlad standing up to Haye's bombs. Haye cant allow Wladimir to dictate the fight and Haye wont stand there like most opponents an take jabs, the occasional right cross to the face.

[Rowley]

Don't doubt he hits harder than Brewster but Maidana hits harder than Willie Limond one had Khan over the other didn't. Just as Khan is a different fighter now than then so it goes for Wlad, his chin is not that easy to reach, he is more adept at tying up on the inside and really throws the jab rather than paws with it. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is unbeatable but I do think Haye is going to find it harder to land than many think and also may find once he eats a few jabs they come a bit keener than many give them credit for.

[The genius of PBF]

Looks like some posters are getting off topic...this thread is the build up to Klitschko vs Haye.

Where? I haven't seen that happening?

Yeah, God forbid we talk about someone called POOCHIAO sitting some form of exam or B-Hop making new friends and influencing prisoners"

or someone who spends most their time on a boxing forum on about the unrelated boxing stuff and copies Trussman personal life.

Least he doesn't document in a rather proud way what a current boxer "did" in prison.

Your kind aren't allowed on 'ere sunshine!

We know what way you role coxy, didn't you offer a date to D4 to come to France with you.

Plus it was a thread designed to get some banter in...Still better than your weekend review, betting and how drunk you got last night articles.

[Scottrf]

Don't respond to the WUMs PBF, you were doing fine keeping on topic

[Guest]

Looks like some posters are getting off topic...this thread is the build up to Klitschko vs Haye.

Where? I haven't seen that happening?

Yeah, God forbid we talk about someone called POOCHIAO sitting some form of exam or B-Hop making new friends and influencing prisoners"

or someone who spends most their time on a boxing forum on about the unrelated boxing stuff and copies Trussman personal life.

In what way, I bought my own house with my own money, don't brag about fictional fights in bars and I'm delighted to be having a child as opposed to being bitter and resentful. Nor do I have some clown who thinks he's Floyd mayweather sucking up to me in some bizzare attempt to gain a faceless new internet friend.
take you head out TRUSSMAN's rear end...then attempt to remove it from your own, lad

Rowley, if Haye lands on Wlad's chin and he muddles through, chances are very VERY high that it won't be long before it happens again. As mentioned before, Haye doesn't have to be a concussive puncher to take care of Wlad. Vitali may be a different proposition altogether but given the ever decreasing chances of that fight happening, I'm not overly concerned.

If Haye lands on Wlad, the chances are he'll gain confidence from that but I'm certain Booth will be there advising him not to rush in unless it's clear Wlad is there to be taken out. Also, I still see a situation whereby the referee will have an important, and possibily controversial, part to play in this one.

[The genius of PBF]

Don't doubt he hits harder than Brewster but Maidana hits harder than Willie Limond one had Khan over the other didn't. Just as Khan is a different fighter now than then so it goes for Wlad, his chin is not that easy to reach, he is more adept at tying up on the inside and really throws the jab rather than paws with it. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is unbeatable but I do think Haye is going to find it harder to land than many think and also may find once he eats a few jabs they come a bit keener than many give them credit for.

If Haye gets Wlad in the same kind of trouble then it's lights out plus Maidana doesn't have the speed of Haye or the skill. But will see what happens on July 2nd.

[Michaels, Sean]

Wlad KO 5-8 unfortunately.

Makes me laugh, spoke to a guy at work today and he said Haye is surely a massive favourite?????? Reason given was that he beat that 7ft guy who's much bigger than Wlad.......

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