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Post by Adam D Fri 17 Jun 2011, 1:20 pm

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Following on from the recent fraquas with Mike Phillips, he has now been suspended from the Welsh squad indefinately.

Yesterdays discussion on the matter - https://www.606v2.com/t7309-mike-phillips-fighting-with-bouncers-at-3am-last-night

Pictures of the incident:

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Mike Phillips has been suspended indefinitely from Wales squad duties with immediate effect.

The move comes after WalesOnline published the above pictures of Phillips being restrained by bouncers outside a Cardiff city centre McDonalds at 3am.

The 28-year-old, who completed a switch from the Ospreys to French side Bayonne earlier this week, has been told not to report to WRU headquarters at the National Centre of Excellence this Monday - the day his personal training regime is due to start – and has been barred from the squad until further notice.

In a statement released today, the Wales management team said it would take time to consider the circumstances surrounding the allegations about the player’s behaviour in public while on leave from the squad before it meets for pre-Rugby World Cup training.

The WRU said it would seek further details about the this week's incident while the suspension is in place.

WRU chief executive Roger Lewis said: “The player has been suspended due to a clear breach of the standards which we expect to be maintained by someone involved in one of our national squads.

“Discipline and acceptable behaviour are issues which run to the core values of the Welsh Rugby Union and we cannot tolerate any compromise of those standards.

“Mike Phillips is an exceptional player, but there is irrefutable evidence of a prima facie nature that he was engaged in behaviour which falls below the standards we set.

“It is vitally important that we send out a clear and unambiguous message to one and all concerning our views on matters of this sort.

“That message must be heard clearly by all players, coaches, administrators, volunteers, supporters and, of course, the parents and guardians of any child attracted to take part in the national sport of Wales.

“By taking decisive action now we are emphasising that this sort of incident is highly unusual in that the majority of people involved in Welsh rugby help us maintain the proud record we have for fair play and off the field courtesy.

“Our senior national squad players are highly visible because of the profile which accompanies the success of our national sport and it is made clear to them that they are the ambassadors we rely on to foster and sustain our image.

“An incredible amount of hard work is currently taking place as our players prepare for the Rugby World Cup in New Zealand and that effort must be recognised and supported by all involved.

“I am making my views public at this time because, as the nation anticipates our involvement in Rugby World Cup there is no room for any ambiguity in our reasoning.

“Rugby is part of the culture of our nation and we must do all in our power to ensure that the game remains a sport that everyone in Wales can be rightly proud of.”

Wales team manager Alan Phillips said: “We have suspended Mike Phillips on the clear evidence of a level of behaviour we regard as unacceptable.

“It is clear there has been a breach of our disciplinary standards.”

The suspension has been approved by Wales head coach Warren Gatland and agreed by the senior squad management team.

The WRU said it has not been alerted of any criminal action and the suspension is based on its own rules of behaviour.

A statement from the union said it would offer no further comment on the issue.

Cardiff Blues scrum-half Lloyd Williams has been called into the Wales pre-Rugby World Cup training squad and will report for duty on Monday.

Phillips made his debut for Wales in 2003 against Romania, and has since won 52 caps, with his most recent appearance coming against the Barbarians earlier this month.


Full article here - Walesonline

So any surprise and do you think he really cares?

Other than Elvis, has a burger cost a man so much?

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Post by wales606 Sat 18 Jun 2011, 12:05 am

I wonder what the bouncers would have done it Adam Jones, Paul James amd Gethin Jenkins were there.... Whistle
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Post by wales606 Sat 18 Jun 2011, 12:12 am

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I do agree that Wayne Evans should have been given a chance over the last 1/2 years as he has played well at the Dragons, but you cannot compare Gats choosing the younger L.Williams (to give him some experience as I doubt he will make the final squad) with taking Bennett over Hibbard/Owens/My Nan for so long.
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Post by manofgwent Sat 18 Jun 2011, 12:25 am

No I don't compare it to taking bennett. I never said I did. I've been the biggest critic of Bennett for a few years and now it appears even ospreys fans agree. I think Lloyd Williams is definateky one for the future and am in no way criticising hiim. I just think Wayne evans should be a little disappointed with not getting called up.
It's a difficult one as you said, you don't even think he'll make the final squad and nor would evans. Maybe Williams If he's seen as a future star, wales would benefit more from bringing him in. It's a difficult one to call, just think evans will be disappointed as he's definateky come on in the last 2 years especially.

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jun 2011, 9:50 am

manofgwent wrote:Again I'm not looking for dragons to be picked. I'm just looking for In form players to be selected.
Bradley's form has nit been good. Stephen jones barely plays anymore. One injury or another.
I'm not being one eyed and I'm not the only person on here that thinks Wayne evans deserves a call up. He had the better of rees recently and Williams cane on and didn't impose himself.
I'm not saying play dragons players, but how can you have 2 9's from one region and not one in form 9 who has played a lot of rugby this season.
On Tovey. He is quality. I think gatland prefers priestland, so I think he should have had more opportunities.
People like you make me laugh when you call me one eyed. I'm a dragons fan who watches all the regions. I want the best for the national team. I will stand up for my region as there are a he'll if a lot of good young welsh players there .



I'm sorry but that's rubbish. He's missed 3 weeks through injury this season, that's it. 1 week for his back (which he injured at home against Perpignan, and 2 weeks after injuring his wrist away against Ulster) I honestly can't remember another time but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. He has started more games for the Scarlets at 10 then Priestland and he's been on great form this season for us, where he actually gets to work with quick ball. There are limitations to his game but currently he is the best and most consistent 10 we have, and the only one who is actually able to defend well enough at international level. I know I'm going to be seen a little one eyed in my support of him as I love the Scarlets, but it just makes me so mad that fellow Welsh fans seek to discredit him and what he's achieved throughout his career and what he can still bring to Wales. I fear for these people they will only realise how great he's been for us when he retires. We're going to miss him.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat 18 Jun 2011, 10:08 am

I think Jones has been huge for Wales over the years and agree that we will only miss him once he's gone.

FOr me he is still rightly our first choice 10 if only due to the limited game time Hook has had there.

Back to the EVans/Williams debate, I think Evans must be gutted. He has had some involvement with Welsh squads in the past and has played most if not all of this season.

Williams if def a star in the making but unfotunately for him has been injured a lot this last season.
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Post by ospreylian Sat 18 Jun 2011, 11:03 am

MoG that really is a cracked record you know, how about starting your own thread on Dragons stars that OUGHT to play for Wales?
This one is about MP and his banishment.
All I can say on this is thank god!!!
For too long now the Welsh hierarchy have turned the poor eye to indiscretions, for too long we've heard the excuse "letting off steam". This is not an amateur game any more, the players are highly paid, cosseted and expensively coached and their behaviour should reflect that.
As Mike Cuddy says too many players think that the red jersey means that they've made it, it's time for them , and us, to appreciate that it's only the start of their journey.
Additionally, I would give Henson his marching orders, he cannot compete in the biggest rugby show on earth by appearing in yet another meaningless reality Tv show.
Some strong ;leadership now, and maybe in 8 years time Wales will be ready to compete in a world cup.

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Post by wales606 Sat 18 Jun 2011, 12:16 pm

bedford,

I agree, it is a pity L.Williams was injured at the same time that Rees was banned, if he hadnt been I think Rees would have really struggled to get his shirt back and Williams would be first choice next season (still may happen if Rees goes to the WC and Williams doesnt)

Also, just remebered that the Blues dont actaully have ANY SHs any more,

Cooper has retired
Slater who covered for Rees and Williams has signed for Bristol
So, if Williams and Rees DO go to the WC then we are in BIG trouble as we will only have 1SH left Rhys Downes from the academy (who was disappointing last season)

Who's the Ponty SH, is he any good? Because the Cardiff RFC one was Slater nd he's gone (unless CRFC bring in a decent replacement then we are in trouble if the Ponty SH cant play for us :/)
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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jun 2011, 12:21 pm

The Ponty scrum half is young Lewis Jones. He looks a talent, got MotM for Ponty when they played in the Swalec final.

However we was released by the Blues academy November last year, not sure whether they'd pick him again or not.

http://www.ponty.net/jones-lewis

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Post by wales606 Sat 18 Jun 2011, 12:27 pm

I cant see Williams and Rees going,

But if they did I think that *insert new coachs name here/Dai Young* wouldnt be very happy, we will be in urgent need of a new SH.
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Post by Dominic Dicoco Sat 18 Jun 2011, 12:38 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:The Ponty scrum half is young Lewis Jones. He looks a talent, got MotM for Ponty when they played in the Swalec final.

However we was released by the Blues academy November last year, not sure whether they'd pick him again or not.

http://www.ponty.net/jones-lewis

He has looked very good for Ponty this year. He has good quick service, but has said he is working with Paul John to improve some areas of it.

He just seems to read the game very well and is very often the player making a last ditch tackle or cleaning up bad ball. I have heard that the Blues have signed him up again, which is bad news for Ponty. I just hope he gets a chance there.

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Post by Adam D Sat 18 Jun 2011, 1:27 pm

I have just been told what actually happened to cause the ruckus at McDonalds.....

Slow service.

Oh the irony!

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Post by manofgwent Sat 18 Jun 2011, 1:41 pm

Ospreylian I know you are now a moderator, wow!! How did you manage that? You must have some time on your hands!
A few of us are just discussing who has replaced mike Phillips. The thread has moved on. What's the point in banging on about Phillips, he's gone. Let's talk about where we go from here. If you want me to make a new thread I will. I can feel your power!!!
Oh no there are people now discussing who'll be blues 9 during the WC. Get these pesky blighters kicked off right away!!! Show your power. Flex those Muscles!!!!!

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jun 2011, 1:49 pm

There's nothing wrong with discussing who has replaced Phillips at 9 in the Wales training squad MOG as that was mentioned in the OP.

If you want to talk about why there aren't more Dragons players being picked though then I would recommend starting another thread about it if you want to thumbsup

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Post by manofgwent Sat 18 Jun 2011, 1:55 pm

I don't. All I've said like many others is that Wayne evans should feel disappointed. I haven't said any dragons players should be picked. The dragons have 6 in the squad and we can't argue with that. I did comment on players who aren't on form. If I started an article about off form players being selected by warren gatland my phone battery would die and my index finger would be suffering from repetitive strain injury.
Stephen jones great defensively. Yep. The springboks will be shaking like pooing dogs!

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jun 2011, 2:03 pm

Thank you for your comments MOG. I agree with you that Evans will probably feel disappointed not to be included. I really rate him, and he's been on good form this season. I doubt Williams will actually go to the WC though, so this decision is probably just so Gats can have a look at him in an international set up.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat 18 Jun 2011, 2:28 pm

So if Phillips doesn't go at all now who is likey to be first choice.

Knoyle - Similar to the type of player Phillips is and what Gats likes.

Peel - Def the most experienced but will miss some of the training camps due to playing in England.

Rees - Was def No1 IMO before being banned has he played enough since returning.

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Post by Notch Sat 18 Jun 2011, 2:45 pm

Stephen Jones; good defensively, good in attack, understands how to run a game at test level, has the right mentality for the job and is experienced enough to have seen and met everything you'll come up against at the RWC over a sterling career with Wales and the Lions. I agree; why on earth would you pick him? laughing
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Post by manofgwent Sat 18 Jun 2011, 2:55 pm

Be careful Bedford. You'll have someone on your case for not setting a new thread and changing the subject. You must be a right old rebel!
For me it should be Rees. I don't think he's anything special, but he does suit the way that suits Wales best. Our backs need quick ball.
The way things are going, the 3 warm
Up games will be huge. There are so many positions up for grabs. Full back, wing, centres, fly half, scrum half, no 8, maybe a 2nd row. There's a he'll of a lot to play for.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat 18 Jun 2011, 3:44 pm

Great to see Lloyd Williams rise to the forefront, and such a shame how Mike Phillips is loosing the good reputation he spent six years building, so rapidly.

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Post by manofgwent Sat 18 Jun 2011, 4:25 pm

Notch. Stephen jones great in attack. Now I know you're deluded!

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Post by manofgwent Sat 18 Jun 2011, 4:45 pm

Rugby dreamer. Quick question. Wasn't Stephen jones on the bench against Scotland due to a knock? It's these sorts of knocks that he'll pick up in our WC group. Or was he rested because mr gatland could see he's past it and decided to play a giy who hadn't played at 10 for 18 months?!?!?!?!
If I'm wrong please correct me, bit I recall priestland coming on with a few minutes to go to win his 1st cap. So how many times has jones been injured?

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Post by glamorganalun Sat 18 Jun 2011, 5:09 pm

After reading the papers etc today we are none the wiser as to what Phillips has done to be man handled and taken to ground. If there is no evidence that he has done anything wrong the door man and his employer may need a good lawyer. I see Andy Howell of the Western Mail has jumped on the band wagon with no proof Phillips has broken any rules or law to my knowlege. I am no great fan of Phillips but would this happen to an unknown member of the public?

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Steve Jones was dropped to the bench not because of injury, Hook had played well for the Ospreys replacing Biggar. I agree with you S Jones is over rated can't kick out of hand, slow and can't make a break and Preistland had been playing better than him most to the season at 10. I pick Tovy to support Hook for the RWC.

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Post by manofgwent Sat 18 Jun 2011, 5:20 pm

The welsh management said he wasn't fully fit I'm convinced of it.

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Post by Guest Sat 18 Jun 2011, 5:48 pm

MOG - He'd had a knock to the head that's why he wasn't in the starting 15. He wasn't injured though, if he was, he wouldn't have even been on the bench.

With regards to Mike Phillips, I should think the press should leave this alone now until clear facts are released. As I understand it, no charges were made against him and so he was released. THe WRU have brought in the suspension due to his conduct, I've no doubt they had warnings in place to do with curfews etc and if he was in breach of that then I'm glad the WRU have taken the stance they have.

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Post by Cymroglan Mon 20 Jun 2011, 4:21 pm

This is on todays BBC Rugby sports page great to see it's updated often...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7711075.stm

Page last updated at 14:06 GMT, Wednesday, 5 November 2008

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Post by BridgendBoyo Mon 20 Jun 2011, 4:35 pm

Shame Huw Bennett hasn't done anything stupid to get chucked out of the squad. How he still gets [picked is beyond me? Whistle

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