Sandy Wants to 'Bury the Hatchet' with Monty.

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..........but where?

Good interviews with the Seniors on Radio Scotland

Lyle seems to have come to terms that he will not be Ryder Cup captain, blames it on Monty.

Woosie said that he was told that no one over 50 years old would be considered as they would be too distant from the likely team.

Diggers, can you try a bit harder I don't think you have patronized me enough there.
I didn't realise you'd been on the selection committee when they turned down Lyle. Your theories are no more naive or less valid than mine, we are both speculating. Your 'geriatric wisdom' doesn't add any more weight to your theory anymore than 'youthful exuberance' might denude mine. They are both opinions so giving me the 'my dear boy' treatment is absurd.
What would you want them to do? Create an extra RC just so poor out upon Lyle gets his chance? Demand outstrips supply, so someone is always going to miss out. That's life. Neither of us know whether or not he would be a good captain, although at least I've based my ideas on him having more than just a very distant successful career as to whether he should be given the opportunity.

My opinions are based on looking at the previous captains and drawing a conclusion as to how they were selected. Your opinion as far as I can see is based on how you think a captain should be selected. I cant see any evidence to support any of your opinion. Therefore I stand 100% by my comments in my previous post.
And for you to lecture someone on being patronising, do me a favour. Try reading some of your own posts and you might find thats something you do yourself pretty regularly.

super_realist wrote:Jas, I think if he was as bright as you say he might have handled the whole 'spat' with monty better as well as not walking off in a cream puff at the open. I don't care that he's won majors, faldo has won three times as many while torrance and monty have none. There isn't a colleration between personal success and ryder cup winning captaincies, just as Ferguson amd morinho were nobodies as players.

A fair few posts ago now but on the subject of Lyle and the Ryder Cup, i feel like i should point out that Alex Ferguson was actually a very good player, scoring 170 goals in 317 games. Quite a record

Thought i should mention that as Ferguson himself is so reluctant to speak out and anti confrontational

Mpb, behave will you, Ferguson played in Scotland, a league which even made Jean Alain Boumsong look like a world class player.

I saw him play for Rangers a few times.
Very competitive striker with few basic skills other than knowing where the goal was. He was known as 'razor elbows'.

I shall also let you know that we have risen in the recent FIFA rankings to 55st in the world.

Super - can't argue with that! ha.
Ferguson says in his autobiography that he had offers to come to England but turned them down as his wife didn't want to move away. That's only his word though!

DTW - i've heard the razor elbows comment before! Why doesn't that surprise me....

super_realist wrote:Mpb, behave will you, Ferguson played in Scotland, a league which even made Jean Alain Boumsong look like a world class player.

Whilst Scottish fitba might well be bankrupt mince at the moment and open to such jibes, back in Fergusons playing days (before the introduction of meglomaniac multi billionaire money laundering owners and morally bankrupt and corrupt satellite broadcasting companies showering riches on other leagues) Scottish Clubs regularly contested the later stages of European competitions.

Jas, I just think that means that world football was at a similar level in those days. I'd still argue it wasn't very good though, it looked much like a harry enfield pathe news sketch.
Scottish football is shiversomely embarrassing these days though.

Really?? I think that era (mid 60's to mid 70s) was footballs golden age. The Brazilian 1970 world Cup winning side possibly being the best ever. Also, I wince visibly as I type...the Celtic side over that period would be a contender for one of the greatest club sides ever.

Having said that I certainly concur on the shiversomely embarrassing current state of Scottish fitba.

If we compare football to golf, then Sandy Lyle was the Bobby Charlton or George Best of the golfing world, at that time, he blazed the trail for other European golfers to follow, first to win a Masters Jacket and on that merit alone he have been, rewarded before now with the Ryder Cup Captaincy let alone a knighthood.

50 years ago there is no way Hearts would have lost 5-0 to Spurs at Tynecastle.

There is a nice saying about being a Jambo's.

'We can cope with failure, it's the hope that really messes us up'.

Super.

Next time you see an old black and white film of a golf major look closely at the condition of the course, especially the greens.
Did you know that before 1959 the two qualifing rounds and all four competition rounds of The Open were played to the same pin position.

Speaking of black and white films, when are England going to win the Fitba world cup in colour?

An excellent career he might have had, I just don't see the passion and leadership qualities in Lyle - to put it bluntly I've seen more life in a vagrant's vest!

I've been looking at this thread every day or so, how can it seemingly have gone 4 pages without the discussion progressing in the slightest?

noshankingtonite

The same could be said about many of the Captains, so laid back, but underneath very determined, and to be the first European to win the Masters then Lyle had something no other European players had, believe in his ability, and I sure he would bring that to his role of Captaincy, after all he had the experience of being one of the vice Captains.

Doon the Water wrote:50 years ago there is no way Hearts would have lost 5-0 to Spurs at Tynecastle.

There is a nice saying about being a Jambo's.

'We can cope with failure, it's the hope that really messes us up'.

Doon, whats this got to do with Sandy Lyle?

Anyways, can't stand the Hearts club, really dislike them, moreso than Rangers even, and thats saying something. I took a 70 year old man to Tynecastle V celtic about 6 years ago and we were attacked after the match walking away to the car by 4 scumbags. Anyway, wished they had put up more of a fight against Spurs.

maybe mad Vlad will have Sandy Lyle as the new manager? wouldn't put it past him

OPW:
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Lyle in any way, shape or form. He was a fantastic long-iron player in his day (bettered only by Nicklaus himself in that era imho) and his stoical demeanour no doubt helped him achieve his successes, I just cannot see him as captain...... unless he has a very charismatic and influential Vice Captain to assist him by giving the key speeches and team talks. I'm b*ggered if I know who I'd have to assist him....

NedB-H wrote:I've been looking at this thread every day or so, how can it seemingly have gone 4 pages without the discussion progressing in the slightest?

Ohh there's plenty of meat on this bone Ned.....

Whit aboot Sandy swinging the lead tape and putting poor Faldo in an impossible position, thon yin seems to be overlooked whenever Monty's miss-drop is mentioned.
If ever you were to question Sandy's grey matter I think that incident would leave you in no doubt.

oldparwin wrote:noshankingtonite

The same could be said about many of the Captains, so laid back, but underneath very determined, and to be the first European to win the Masters then Lyle had something no other European players had, believe in his ability, and I sure he would bring that to his role of Captaincy, after all he had the experience of being one of the vice Captains.

What? Lyle wasn't the first European to win the Masters, he wasn't even the second. Seve won it twice and Langer once before Lyle won it?
So to say no other Europeans had belief in their ability is an incredibly stupid, uninformed (and blatantly wrong) thing to say when they demonstrably did (not to mention Seve and Faldo winning the Open during Lyle's heyday too) So he didn't "blaze a trail" as you said earlier either.
I know your name is "Old"Parwin so perhaps you are getting a bit addled in your old age?

Has it ever occured to you that he just didn't do a good job as Vice Captain?

170 posts and I've finally got around to removing the horrible rogue apostrophe on the thread title!

Sorry Doon I just couldn't stand it any longer

Sorry should have read first British winner of the Masters(old grey matter not in tune with the fingers).

When you start to put personal insults in your posts is usually a sign that you have lost the argument and can only then turn to name calling to help you save face.

So lets all agree he was an awesome golfer in his day, and should not have been treated as he has

Agreed, oldpar.
THE END????

Amen!!!

oldparwin wrote:Sorry should have read first British winner of the Masters(old grey matter not in tune with the fingers).

When you start to put personal insults in your posts is usually a sign that you have lost the argument and can only then turn to name calling to help you save face.

So lets all agree he was an awesome golfer in his day, and should not have been treated as he has

OP, stop being so oversensitive with your faux offence, for heavens sake. You sound like Mac, it was hardly a personal insult OP in any event, just a rather obvious dig at a rudimentary mistake. You made him out to be a pioneer for European golf, in not one but two posts, when he was anything but.

Yes, he was an awesome golfer in his day, and even if as some believe he should have been given the captaincy, probably at the expense of Mark James then it's too late now, and nobodies tearful protests will do him any good. He's shot his bolt and thrown his toys out of the pram with his petulant complaints and vocal outbursts.

Davie
I am beginning to picture as a heedie '' headmaster'' with the tawse in your hand.

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Sorry, haven't been following this thread but it seems to me Sandy thought that having won two majors, the captain's position would just fall into his lap.

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