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Pooly, I love Youngs as a scrum half, when he runs and attacks he is top quality - he hasnt played with any confidence, if that run sets him up he is the man that gives us tempo and one of our most valuable players.

We now have to get the ball to Ashton, Tuilagi and Foden

Huh? What has Johnson done that for?

That is a massive call taking wilko off with his drop-goal prowess

We are looking for miracle balls. Very frustrating.

Not anymore. youngs dreadful
And flood passing to invisible man. Never thought I
Would say thank
God for wiggles. Shaw making a dent

How good is hari. All time
Great

Bad call that - would have kept Wilko and subbed Cueto there. Seemed easy decision

Young dreadful? He was one of better players without doubt, crazy comment. Mas, Hari great for you Matt

That's the game. Some awful decisions made by Johnson in this game, need two tries.

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Thank Christ Szareski's on! We wont get done over so much now at the scrum!

Would be better for England if guirado was on. An even worse scrummager

Pooly, Youngs did one good break all game. Apart from that he was very poor. I'm a big fan of his and he's lost his spark and confidence - just when he started playing well though Johnson took him off...bizarre

Pooly youngs root of our problems last 2 games decision making dreadful. Yachvillis b*itch.

Lost us the game missed so many opportunities.

Take off your one eyed specs pooly. Best in the world what a joke !!!

It's the same as me saying Foden's had a blinder...

How is it taking so long to give this try- Cueto scored first time!

Lost this game when Johnson took off Wilko - Flood isnt good enough to win a game on his own like this. Doesnt make decisions well enough.

Some banter this morning lol. Youngs played well. Basic handling and discipline cost us. We lost it in the scrum in the first and French controlled pack and territory

Guirado is part of the best scrummaging front row in the Top 14 Matt. The lad is a beast. Never seen the french scrum struggle with him on. Same cannot be said of Szareski though he always struggles!!

We had a fantastic start but have been 2nd best in every area today after that. Such a shame we didnt take advantage of the first 10 minutes but after that we have just been shocking. Rejig of the coaching set up is needed after this

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Some banter this morning lol. Youngs played well. Basic handling and discipline cost us. We lost it in the scrum in the first and French controlled pack and territory

Pooly are you chairman Mao ??

Youngs lost us the match and was dreadful .
Flood played like flood ie good
Club player but not international.
Our defence wide was poor. Palmer dreadful French scrum great first half

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Guirado is part of the best scrummaging front row in the Top 14 Matt. The lad is a beast. Never seen the french scrum struggle with him on. Same cannot be said of Szareski though he always struggles!!

We had a fantastic start but have been 2nd best in every area today after that. Such a shame we didnt take advantage of the first 10 minutes but after that we have just been shocking. Rejig of the coaching set up is needed after this

When he learns to throw in they may pick him

Balls - we never deserved to go through - absolutely dire. No idea what our tactics are, Johnson has no idea what he's doing. We;ve got makings of a good team, but that was shocking for last 5 weeks.

Johnson's team selection was wrong, bench was wrong, tactics were wrong, subs were wrong, everything was wrong. We need a new coaching set up.

And worse still Wales have got further than us...what a crap start to the weekend.

French back row sensational.

We didn't deserve anything. Terrible decisib taking Wilko off.

Youngs lost us match?!?!?! Lol

Thought Foden played well in 2nd Chris

I'm stunned by that performance. All started when Thompson missed his throw twice, one in attacking position and then for France try. Thompson might be a better scrummager than HArtley but that's it.

Agree with you Mat, Flood is a good club player but international he's found wanting unless you give him dominance in the pack.

Johnson's selections from the bench were laughable - Lawes for Croft, stupid - Haskell our best player and a genuine 6. Banahan for Wilko - joke. Just when Youngs starts setting the tempo he replaces him for Wigglesworth, another good club player but no more.

Heads at RFU have to role now. It just isnt good enough.

Not sure Pooly, FOden's defence was ok in second half but England didnt give him the ball in attack.

Our problem was the lineout with Thompson throwing, he gave France the platform to get confidence in first 20mins.

Too many substandard individual performances and a lot of what we did smacked of desperation from very early on.

We have good players who have not performed. Coaching set up needs looking at, and some players need moving on as well.

Pooly young was dire and like last game should have been taken off after 20. Why does he pass at the head?? I am a huge fan and he is
Probably our best player. However he
Has lost his way in the last year. Hope
He comes back

time for a lot of players to move on
for me should be the end of thompson, shaw, cueto, tindall, wilkinson, easter, moody
need to blood young guys now
try and find players to fill problem positions like 7, 12.

youngs was terrible, but not the only one. wilko was shocking.

Realistically we were never going to win the world cup. Our basics throughout the tournament have been abysmal. Indiscipline on and off the field has been terrible, our unforced errors count must be one of the highest in the whole competition, the handling has been shocking, especially today, we were unable to retain the ball and therefore not able to create sustained phases of pressure. I don’t understand Johnson’s selections either, why did Haskell not start? Arguably one of our best players in the tournament and we leave him out, got to question Jonno about that.

We didn’t start well at all and put pressure on ourselves. As soon as Thompson missed his man at the lineout France grew in confidence and we were firmly on the back foot. We came out in the second half and put France under pressure with quick ball and scored a good try. We should have started like that, moving the French pack around. Throughout the tournament we’ve been unable to unleash our back three, I think we still are on the lookout for an inside centre who can step and challenge sides on the gain line, I think leaving Flutey at home was a mistake. He offers something different.

I felt as soon as we were made favourites today something was wrong. As a rugby team seem we always seem to play better when our backs are up against the wall and no one gives us a chance. France were always going to come out fighting today, they built up a score and we were always facing an uphill battle. The press were making out as if they weren’t going to do anything. They built up momentum and pushed us onto the back foot and at times we were in complete disarray. I hope Wales go all the way, they have got it spot on off the field and on it.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Young dreadful? He was one of better pl
ayers without doubt, crazy comment. Mas, Hari great for you Matt

Does anyone ageree with pooly and youngs being one
Of our best??

Half backs dreadful all round

Youngs was poor.

Distribution was shocking. Was slow and gave us very little tempo and decision making was below par.

Should have been hauled off a lot earlier, although the issue with that was that Wigglesworth was never ever going to come on and win us the game, so MJ had to stick with what he had.

no he was our worst along with wilko for me
i would still stick with him and care as our 9's long term though.
youngs has so much potential, just played badly last few games.

who would u like to see brought through now?

Youngs is our best 9 by a mile but been poor for a while. Is he fit??

Thing was that Youngs was woeful in first half, messed up 3-4 try scoring opportunities with appalling decision making and passing, but then he does a great run, sets up our try and his confidence would be high, he starts setting our tempo and then Wigglesworth comes on and stops the flow that we were building up. Stupid.

Then worse still Johnson takes off Wilko, the one guy who is experienced enough to see us through and puts b loody Banahan on. Our backs had just started moving the ball and with Banahan we lose all direction and sense. Was an idiotic decision.

Haskell not asked to play when Lawes gets injured. Madness.

Deacon did nothing. Lawes should ahve replaced him at halftime and Hartley had to come on for Thompson at half time too. Johnson is useless at decision making, truly, truly awful. You cant manage an international team with no coaching experience at club level.

The attacks coach has to go - tactics were pass the ball to Tuilagi and make him do the hard yards. That's all it was. You cant give a 20 year old that much responsibility and expect him to work miracles, the French worked it out after 2 minutes.

Also why start Stevens? I know he's in my team and I will probably regret saying this but he isnt good enough at the moment to start for England, as an impact sub who covers 1 and 3 then yes, but his scrummaging isnt good enough at top level. Corbs should have started, though biggest loss to England was losing Sheridan, his power is England's main weapn at scrum time.

I hope Thompson, Deacon, Wigglesworth, Banahan and Cueto never get in an England squad again.

In the 6N I'd be looking at who we think from the current squad are the men we want in for the long term blended in with the best of the young guns.

I'd be looking to have a look at putting people like Hartley, Cole, Corbs, Lawes, Youngs, Tuilagi, Wood, Foden, Ashton, Croft etc with the likes of Farrell, Gaskell, Fearns, Attwood or whoever the coach thinks are our best young prospects.

Players like Wilko, Shaw, Sheridan, Cueto, Deacon, Thompson et al are players who I believe have worn the white shirt for the last time. Players like Palmer, Easter and Stephens etc are worth sticking with for a year or two untill someone is clearly a better option in that role.

A possible 6N side of

1. Corbs
2. Hartley (c)
3. Cole
4. Lawes
5. Palmer
6. Croft
7. Wood
8. Easter
9. Youngs
10. Flood
11. Sharples
12. Farrell
13. Tuilagi
14. Ashton
15. Foden

At this time we are looking at players like Marler, Thomas, Attwood, Gaskell, Grey, Kvesic, Joseph, Wade and others to see if their's anyone we think can be brought into the squad immediately.

I don't want to see kids thrown in straight away in a panic. Only Farrell gives e the impression he is capable of playing at this level immediately.

anonmattyt wrote: When he learns to throw in they may pick him

Perpignan havent any issues with his throwing in at all. They have a more then solid lineout with Guirado at hooker. Looked pretty good throwing in as well when called to by France but then that isnt hard with the jumpers they have. Solid thrower and better in the loose and scrum then Szareski by some way. We had this conversation in the week didnt we?



Youngs was pretty poor to be honest. Seems to be throwing high balls an awful lot the last few games. Definately one of our best prospects going forward but needs to put his head down after this world cup and get back to basics a little. His injury pre world cup didnt help with preparatons though. Not looked sharp yet

Wilko was pretty poor. Just didnt seem to get going at all. Thought Flood was actualy quite good. One of our best performers. Looked good from 12 and brought some width to the game. Foden was pretty poor defensively at times, looked good ball in hand but bad at other times. Cracking finish for the try but we just dont use him enough at all. Tuillagi was our man of the match. Needs to work on getting his head up and offloading in contact a bit more. Still think he is a bit suspect at times rushing out of the line for the big hits but has definately improved here though over the summer and world cup.

We need a new coaching set up really. Some fresh ideas are needed. We get beaten up at the breakdwon nearly every game we play yet the coaches never seem to do anything about it. Need a new backs coach as well. WIth some of the talent we have its a travesty that we just dont use them properly

SJE completely agree with your comments about the England players - I thought the Wilko and Flood 10-12 combo worked and made us look like we could score, but as soon as Banahan came on the ball didnt go out wide.

Still can't believe that Thompson started after his lineout throwing versus Scotland, he ballsed up an attacking throw 5metres out after 3mins, and then gave the French the ball to score their first try. Gave France the perfect platform.

We dont use players well, Croft is so off Lions form its untrue but England waste him - might as well not play him the way England play him. When did he last make a rampaging run? We have to build team around Hartley, Lawes, Croft in the pack and play an attacking game. Backline is built around Tuilagi, Ashton, Foden and Youngs.

Straight away we need a 10 and 12 to come through and try out Sharples, Wade or someone on the other wing. No point in Cueto or Banahan.

Sje apart from guirado could not agree more. Great post

Pooly you are on your own re youngs performance every
One agrees. Barrit for England lol

no idea who the answer at 12 is for england.
flutey too old.
12T? bowden if he decides to play for us?

Sharples needs to be involved.
as much as i dont like farrell, he is playing well and could be well be an option.

Nick love Farrell sharples is a given has it all. Mj to conservativr

Think right now the only options for 12 are Farrell, Barritt and JTH. Twelvetrees needs to nail down a spot in Tigers side first before he can be considered for England. Bowden would be a good option but when does he qualify to play for us??

At flyhalf we have no one but Flood really at the moment. Will have to stick with him for the foreseeable future. Shame Cipriani never developed really. Be interesting to see how George Ford gets on over the next 2-3 years. Think he will come in just in time for the next world cup.

We have plenty of options for Cueto's wing spot. SHarples the favourite at the moment but theres Ojo and Strettle around and Sam Smith, Wade, Addison, JJ etc are all great prospects and looking good so far this season.

Backrow should be 6. Croft 7. Wood 8. Easter for the 6 nations. We need a new 8 to come through though. Haskell is good there but hasnt got the control as he hasnt really specialised at 8. Big year for Narraway, Waldrom and Crane i think. Shame Guest got that bad injury he would be in for a shout as well.

Corbs should be giving the LH shirt for the 6 nations with Mullan looking to come in and cover him during the summer. Imolek to the Saxons for the summer as well. Stevens just isnt international standard. Didnt step up before his ban and couldnt do it again now. Great club player but no more. Think Sheridan should be finished in an England shirt now. Been sub standard for England the last 18 months or so really and we have some racking prospects there now.

Twelvetress would be the answer - one week I think he's definitely the player for England long term at 12, but then others I think he shouldnt even be on the Leicester bench.

Trouble is we need to keep some experienced heads too and don't have that really.

Steven I thought that your team was one that could take us forward - I think we have to identify 3-4 top young players and build them into the squad, by just letting them train with the England team now, not selecting them, but just letting them gain experience with the team in training.

For me George Ford is the future of English rugby and we've got to bring him through properly - then looking at others like Sharples.

Anyone else think Johnson should walk away from the job?

SJE - Sheridan was our big loss, he might not have technique but his power was a major driving force for us in scrum and in mauls etc.

Stevens isnt an international starter, he can do a job from the bench, but was rushed back to starting.

So disappointed.

Sorry Chris I cant see it. Sheridan has done nothing for us in last the few years and he seems to spend just as much time injured as he does playing these days. Time to move him aside while we have the players to replace him. Corbs is reasonably experienced now with a few caps to his name and a 6 nations and world cup campaign under his belt. Has outperformed everyone else in the 1 shirt for England in recent times so get him in and give him the shirt now.

Sheridan has done nothing for us in the last few years?

A very bold statement and one I disagree with. he has had a huge part ins ecuring our scrum. I can tell you for sure we didn't get battered by Scotland in the scrum when Sheridan was there and he wouldn't have given away as many penalties as Stevens.

Think it's a huge issue. Corbs and. Stevens not greatest starters. however how often do you come up against a player as good as mas

Was bonnaire man of match?? He is available for right player

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 by anonmattyt Today at 12:23 pm
Pooly you are on your own re youngs performance every
One agrees. Barrit for England lol

anonmattyt

Not sure what I've done to annoy you Matthew. Surely I'm welcome to my opinions. I don't ridicule you with lol when you state players are any good.

SJE - look at our scrum performance with and then without Sheridan. He's the driving force for them, he may not be flashy and have the technique, but only Tiny matches him for power. He would have made a huge difference today.

Trouble is we have to be so clever with players we keep and players we get rid of as if we get rid of all our experienced heads we will seriously struggle.

Would say Foden and Ashton have the caps now to allow a young winger like Sharples to come in. I'd worry about bringing Farrell straight into the team at 12 playing next to Tuilagi's 6 caps.

Hartley has to be trusted to play no2 now, but we need one prop with experience as Cole and Corbs are too young. Not sure who though - probably very important that Sheridan plays, he's only 31.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:"


Re: Fantasy Aviva Premiership season 4 homepage
 by anonmattyt Today at 12:23 pm
Pooly you are on your own re youngs performance every
One agrees. Barrit for England lol

anonmattyt

Not sure what I've done to annoy you Matthew. Surely I'm welcome to my opinions. I don't ridicule you with lol when you state players are any good.

Pooly admit when your players have a stinker!!

Palmer was dire today I post it. Youngs beyond dreadful
Yet you say he was one of th best and no one agrees.

My point is be honest. If a player like youngs is in
miserable form as he is admit it!

You are keen to publish rubbish like
Ferris will never play so factual things like youngs form should be no problem

Matt, why do you have such problem with my opinion?

I thought Youngs played well today, you and others saying he didn't doesn't make me change my mind. I have my own opinion, there's nothing
to admit.

There was many posts about Ferris being possibly finished, rumours were rife in Ireland and was similar with Jenkins.

I really don't get your problem with me fella as I have none with you. I don't jump on you when you talk rubbish (we all do at times).