The 2012 predictions

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Aside from death and taxes these are the other things I am certain of.



1 - No British player would win a major ( English+Scottish+Welsh )

2 - Rory would overtakes a lack lustre Luke Donald and Westwood in the rankings. (Their time is up they had 2 yrs and did nothing)

3 - Tiger is back and wins multiple tournaments and a major or more (The only way is up)

4 - Europe loses the Ryder cup ( Another annex of the Euro crisis albeit smaller)

Diggers wrote:

super_realist wrote:Woods issues are more mental than physical though Keizo, far harder to come back from. He could be another Michael Campbell or Baker-Finch for all you know.

To be fair thats complete conjecture on your part Super. I personally dont agree with you.

Woods has stated several times that he is completely injury free yet he is still not competitve so I think super is pretty much spot on. If he is physically fit then what else could be holding him back if it's not the mental side of the game? ?

super_realist wrote:Diggers, it's an opinion, like everything else. I personally do go along with that , as how could someone so good, suddenly start stinking the place out (by his standards) coinciding with his "problems".

Swing changes? But then again lets ignore that I mean look at Harrington

Whoever said anything about Harrington? He could easily be struggling to cope with living up to the expectation or motivation of being a major winner, ditto Clarke and McDowell. Both have stated motivation is an issue, which is in itself a mental issue.

How do you know that Woods isn't struggling with motivation? Simply because he says so?

drive4show wrote:

Diggers wrote:

super_realist wrote:Woods issues are more mental than physical though Keizo, far harder to come back from. He could be another Michael Campbell or Baker-Finch for all you know.

To be fair thats complete conjecture on your part Super. I personally dont agree with you.

Woods has stated several times that he is completely injury free yet he is still not competitve so I think super is pretty much spot on. If he is physically fit then what else could be holding him back if it's not the mental side of the game? ?

Hmmmn...

I think that Tiger's golfing woes are due to injury / swing rebuilding more than anything mental. He must have been leading a complicated life before his car crash... running around behind his wife's back, focussing on keeping all these women quiet, yet still kept winning. Emotionally, he's always been totally ruthless, able to separate his life and focus on the tournament / putt / hole ( ). I think he is not being entirely truthful re the extent of his injuries. Of course I am speculating.

drive4show wrote:

Diggers wrote:

super_realist wrote:Woods issues are more mental than physical though Keizo, far harder to come back from. He could be another Michael Campbell or Baker-Finch for all you know.

To be fair thats complete conjecture on your part Super. I personally dont agree with you.

Woods has stated several times that he is completely injury free yet he is still not competitve so I think super is pretty much spot on. If he is physically fit then what else could be holding him back if it's not the mental side of the game? ?

I dont think it was a mental problem that made him completely remodel his swing. And when yo uremodel your swing it takes time to get used to it, which is exactly what Woods has said.

super_realist wrote:Whoever said anything about Harrington? He could easily be struggling to cope with living up to the expectation or motivation of being a major winner, ditto Clarke and McDowell. Both have stated motivation is an issue, which is in itself a mental issue.

How do you know that Woods isn't struggling with motivation? Simply because he says so?

I agree these pro's are useless. Faldo admitting he was struggling after his swing change, same thing Tiger taking ages in 98 -99 and 04 - 05 and then 09 -10 when we cold do it in weeks. Overrated players these guys

For a WUM, this Keizo fella is easily wound up!

But Woods is constantly telling the media that he is injury free, swinging the club well, happy that the changes he has made are working etc etc etc.

But still no results

drive4show wrote:But Woods is constantly telling the media that he is injury free, swinging the club well, happy that the changes he has made are working etc etc etc.

But still no results

Not to forget- "Expecting a "W".

drive4show wrote:But Woods is constantly telling the media that he is injury free, swinging the club well, happy that the changes he has made are working etc etc etc.

But still no results

I wouldnt say that was true. From what he said before last week he was saying it was good to be able to have a long period of practise to bed in the new swing.
We know he was injured.....we assume the injuries were what made him change his swing....anyone changing their swing will need a period of adjustment.
Why cant his issues just be technical, why do they have to be either physical or mental ?

He's hardly going to admit to being a basket case is he?

super_realist wrote:He's hardly going to admit to being a basket case is he?

Have had enough time to think of your predictions or your just dont have the guts to make one?

Keizo, I wouldn't make a bet before a day or two before the tournament, so why would I make a prediction now for something which may take more than a year to fulfill?
It would be like predicting next years weather. Pointless.
Let's just say I am likely to disagree with your predictions.

I don't think you can be certain of anything in life so to predict that number 1 and 3 in the world at the moment will not win a major in 2012 with such certainty is foolish,as is predicting with certainty that someone who hasn't won ANY tournament in 2 years will win one.

Additionally predicting with certainty that the team with the highest ranked players and with the best matchplayers will not win the ryder cup is again foolish.

Predicting with certainty that Rory will become number one is not that much of a statement seeing he is number 2 already!!

It's pointless trying to predict anything with certainty.Who would have predicted all 4 major winners at this time last year? You might have got the first 2 and Darren Clarke's closest family and friends might have predicted the third, but who had heard of Keegan Bradley?

My prediction, but not with any amount of certainty is that an Englishman will win the open in 2012.

super_realist wrote:Keizo, I wouldn't make a bet before a day or two before the tournament, so why would I make a prediction now for something which may take more than a year to fulfill?
It would be like predicting next years weather. Pointless.
Let's just say I am likely to disagree with your predictions.

I asked was you to make a prediction not a bet . Make a simple prediction, it's no big deal, everyone does it all the time. People predict who they think would win the premiership, who they think would win in a boxing fight, who they think would win Wimbledon e.t.c Why is it such a big deal for you? What are you scared off? Stop being a a wuss . You talk a lot about golf back up it up and tell me who or what you you are confident about in 2012, I have over to you.

I might as well say, I predict the moon will be discovered to be made of cheese, or that Keizo will say something that isn't deliberately provacative.
It's completely pointless.
We all know that I and most other people think you are on a crusade to be a nuisance and disagree with people simply to further your sickening and blind adoration of Woods, so lets just leave it at that.

Get back to school and learn to spell/write before acting tough.

Keizo

Making predictions about golf tournaments months in advance is completely pointless. If you knew anything about golf, you would know how fickle form is, how quickly it can come or go, how the slightest change can make a huge difference one way or the other.

Then there are all the other factors....fitness, weather, injuries, confidence etc.

Pity this forum isn't the real world, I would take great delight in holding your stake money if you had the minerals to actually put your money where your mouth is!

Interesting predictions Keizo. If any Brit (not NI) can win a major this year it will likely be Donald. Just too much consistency which, of course, builds confidence. Will Westwood go the way of Monty ... so close, but never any cigar?

Too early to make a Ryder Cup call, but being on US soil certainly helps the US squad.

We're entering the McIlroy era ... I like his chances even more if he commits to the US tour this year.

SR, the US have only won once in the last 3 home Ryder Cups, and only 4 of the last 13 Ryder Cups held anywhere.

super_realist wrote:I might as well say, I predict the moon will be discovered to be made of cheese, or that Keizo will say something that isn't deliberately provacative.

It's completely pointless.

We all know that I and most other people think you are on a crusade to be a nuisance and disagree with people simply to further your sickening and blind adoration of Woods, so lets just leave it at that.

Get back to school and learn to spell/write before acting tough.

Pointless? Yet you spend 90% of your time making predictions about Tiger Woods You bore me SR all mouth with no conviction.

Hey Mods! Can we have more members who are like me??? You know, the type who have guts to make predictions well in advance and mostly get it right. Place an ad in paper if you have to!

drive4show wrote:Keizo

Making predictions about golf tournaments months in advance is completely pointless. If you knew anything about golf, you would know how fickle form is, how quickly it can come or go, how the slightest change can make a huge difference one way or the other.

So you cant say for certainty that Luke would be number 1 by the end of next year?

Pity this forum isn't the real world, I would take great delight in holding your stake money if you had the minerals to actually put your money where your mouth is!

We could put our bets in an escrow account. No one can withdraw the money until both parties agree we have witnesses on this board to back the bet. Like I said Woods wins a major before any British player, wake me up when you are ready.

KeizoYamata wrote:

drive4show wrote:Keizo

Making predictions about golf tournaments months in advance is completely pointless. If you knew anything about golf, you would know how fickle form is, how quickly it can come or go, how the slightest change can make a huge difference one way or the other.

So you cant say for certainty that Luke would be number 1 by the end of next year?

Pity this forum isn't the real world, I would take great delight in holding your stake money if you had the minerals to actually put your money where your mouth is!

We could put our bets in an escrow account. No one can withdraw the money until both parties agree we have witnesses on this board to back the bet. Like I said Woods wins a major before any British player, wake me up when you are ready.

I actually don't make many if any predictions about Woods, I just comment when he's playing poorly and say how much I hate him. Seems fairly clear.

You can't say for certainty that Donald will be number one of course, but he's so far ahead that it would take a horrendous year for him to be knocked off, therefore it's an educated assessment, something you never seem to make, relying instead on blind faith, optimism and a faith in your idol, that hasn't been realised for over two years. It must hurt.

super_realist wrote:SR, the US have only won once in the last 3 home Ryder Cups, and only 4 of the last 13 Ryder Cups held anywhere.

I thought ancient form was irrelevant? There is nothing between the two sides, I'd say that home advantage and some luck with the weather helped Europe scrape home last time out.

S_R got it.

Too early to make the US call on the Ryder Cup.

Since 1980 a US player won the Open Championship 16 times.

super_realist wrote:SR, the US have only won once in the last 3 home Ryder Cups, and only 4 of the last 13 Ryder Cups held anywhere.

I thought ancient form was irrelevant? There is nothing between the two sides, I'd say that home advantage and some luck with the weather helped Europe scrape home last time out.

Form in team events is a bit different than in individual because it is team spirit which makes a big difference in a ryder cup, all the players are of a similar ability. Similar to Fergies teams, different personel, same result.
Individuals in every sport eventually wane, but team spirit is something which can't be taught. Hence Europe having a 9-4 in the last thirteen.

Nothing wrong with the yanks spirit in the past few cups, you are just going on history again. They stopped caring for a while, they care a bit more now. Pavin and Azinger got plenty of team spirit from his guys.

Yes, they were indeed very much better as a team and came across very well too, very likable most of them too, even the more serious and humourless ones, still don't think they are as united as they should be though, bit like the England football team actually, lots of big time Charlie's, but not as much knowledge of how to play as a team as they should have , almost a belief that being a good individual automatically qualifies you to be a good team player. Not so. Europe traditionally have players who with low world rankings and fewer tournament wins, yet team spirit wins through, that appears to be a far more potent weapon than home advantage.
How did the weather help Europe?, don't they have rain in America? Same for both sides

I'd say that with the likes of Rory and GPrat and Westwood its Europe who has the big time Charlie's these days.

Perhaps but they understand what a team is, unlike the USA. I forgot that USA will have god on their side though, always helps. More like gfat, than GPRAT

Still don't get why people don't like McDowell... he wears cardigans and has an accent that reflects the two places he lives, so what?

It's a combined thing, the cardys, oversized caps , accent, mainly the utterly stupid nickname and to me he also looks really cocky on the course. Just hard to warm to for some of us.

KeizoYamata wrote:

super_realist wrote:Diggers, it's an opinion, like everything else. I personally do go along with that , as how could someone so good, suddenly start stinking the place out (by his standards) coinciding with his "problems".

Swing changes? But then again lets ignore that I mean look at Harrington

So you don't rate the man that is most likely (although at the same time very unlikely) to fulfill your view that it will be all about ROI next year??? What a strange fish you are Keizo....I just love the way you think through all your postings....keep taking the tablets

Interruption...
OOOOOSH!! Young Jocks beat the Dutch away 2-1...does Scottish fitba finally have green shoots??

NedB-H wrote:Still don't get why people don't like McDowell... he wears cardigans and has an accent that reflects the two places he lives, so what?

Have to agree Ned...he might not be the perfect role model or have the silkiest swing (understatement or what) but nobody can deny he has bottle and can close out a tournament. Coming down the stretch at Pebble Beach with a 1 shot lead and closing out, managing to close out the win in his Ryder Cup singles and clinch the Ryder Cup itself when the tide was most definitely going the other way. Yes he's had a bit of a shocker this year, mainly because his swing relies on timing and when it's even just slightly off he can have shockers, when it's on he can compete with anyone.

Diggers wrote:I'd say that with the likes of Rory and GPrat and Westwood its Europe who has the big time Charlie's these days.

Why do you refer to him as GPrat? A bit low don't you think? You have been hanging around SR far too long. You used to be gentleman - sadly you have lost your way.

So we get a puzzled response from keizo for not liking mcdowell for legitimate reasons, yet its perfectly alright for him to say Donald is arrogant with absolutely no proof. I love irony me. Consistency of thought is not keizos strong suit, although he's still at school so we'll let him off for his juvenile misguidedness

super_realist wrote:So we get a puzzled response from keizo for not liking mcdowell for legitimate reasons, yet its perfectly alright for him to say Donald is arrogant with absolutely no proof. I love irony me. Consistency of thought is not keizos strong suit, although he's still at school so we'll let him off for his juvenile misguidedness

This forum would not tolerate blatent rasism or sexism, so why is Keizo's blantent, consistent and incredibly tedious xenophodia tolerated? His absolute hate of anything British and his relentless and without-basis critisism of certain British golfers (who are, by the way, top of the world rankings) shouldn't be allowed. This otherwise intelligent forum is a lesser place because of it, and as always it's the PC pen-pushers who prevent the admins from doing anything about it.

No doubt this post will last about 5 minutes before it's removed!

Diggers wrote:Nothing wrong with the yanks spirit in the past few cups, you are just going on history again. They stopped caring for a while, they care a bit more now. Pavin and Azinger got plenty of team spirit from his guys.

They stopped caring? Really? Thats just complete nonsence. No way they werent bothered about being beaten by Europe.

Not sure why GMAC gets so much stick. If you spend a large amount of time anywhere you will begin to talk like the people you are spending time with.Look at Jan Molby the ex Liverpool and Danish midfielder. By the end of his long career with the reds he developed a very distinct scouse accent.Just one of those things. From his interviews he seems a very honest and genuine person.

I'm with you Faldo, agree the accent is annoying but think McDowell comes across as a very decent individual on the whole.

I am fairly indifferent to mcdowell these days, just think the whole gmac moniker that he's given himself is pretty sad, as if he's some nubile POP starlet and not a tubby golfer who looks ten years older than he is and looks more like an accountant than a golfer. It's as embarrassing as the loathsome Paul ince calling himself 'the guvnor'

super_realist wrote:I am fairly indifferent to mcdowell these days, just think the whole gmac moniker that he's given himself is pretty sad, as if he's some nubile POP starlet and not a tubby golfer who looks ten years older than he is and looks more like an accountant than a golfer. It's as embarrassing as the loathsome Paul ince calling himself 'the guvnor'

It is a bit misguided but how do we know that it wasn't given to him when he was at college? Always found the most satisfying nicknames are the ones that irritate, perhaps he got stuck with it and went with the flow?

Is there any evidence that he gave himself the nickname? I always thought it was a media thing, copying other sports and pop stars (ARod, KFed, RFed etc). I always thought there was a certain tongue-in-cheek-ness about it that the golf community played on - certainly not to be taken seriously

IPou anyone?

How about (Twit) Twoo, got a certain ring to it.

Sand wrote:

Diggers wrote:Nothing wrong with the yanks spirit in the past few cups, you are just going on history again. They stopped caring for a while, they care a bit more now. Pavin and Azinger got plenty of team spirit from his guys.

They stopped caring? Really? Thats just complete nonsence. No way they werent bothered about being beaten by Europe.

Fair enough , probably more accurate IMO to say they cared far less about the event than the Europeans.

I don't think they cared less than the Europeans when they were winning more regularly. Now they get regularly beaten in the competition it's easy to say they care less as an excuse for the results, perhaps the fans care less, as American sports fans can be quite fickle that way if they aren't doing well, but I don't buy that the players don't care, otherwise they'd get gubbed all the time.

I dont think they cared that much when they were winning regularly, nobody cared about the Ryder Cup, it was just a boring waste of time that nearly died a death. I didnt say they dont care now, but I believe for a period when the European idea came along that galvanised those players whilst the Americans remained less interested for a while.
As for American fans being fickle, well they are hardly alone there. Id say thats true of pretty much every single nation.
I have no idea what gubbed means.

You just have to look at Brookline to show that they really do care, and Mahan last year too.

Brookline was 20 years after GB & I became Europe and last year was well....last year.