Worst Heineken Cup attendance ever?

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2010 Celtic League Champions vs 2011 Premiership champions. Heineken cup.

I've counted about 56 people there!

Llanelli, Swansea, Cardiff, Newport.... Just kidding.

Casartelli wrote:

If the WRU develop regional teams that are seen by all as a social/geographic representation of Wales (North, South, East & West - put the names to a schoolchildren vote - Dragons, Druids, Celts, Commandos, whatever), with teams travelling around their patch to play games - then they could develop something very special.

Eh?

Right okay I know it's from wiki but here's a map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WalesRugbyRegions.png

(although I don't think North Wales is included in the Scarlets' region anymore).

Also here's the list of the clubs that fall in each region, it would make sense for there to be a boundary between the regions, no?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/3877085.stm

Dragons website, map view showing their clubs, also a clear boundary drawn: http://www.newportgwentdragons.com/clubdirectory.aspx

Am sure the other regions have similar map views on their websites but honestly, I'm too tired to look.

rugbydreamer wrote:Right okay I know it's from wiki but here's a map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WalesRugbyRegions.png

(although I don't think North Wales is included in the Scarlets' region anymore).

Also here's the list of the clubs that fall in each region, it would make sense for there to be a boundary between the regions, no?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/3877085.stm

Dragons website, map view showing their clubs, also a clear boundary drawn: http://www.newportgwentdragons.com/clubdirectory.aspx

Am sure the other regions have similar map views on their websites but honestly, I'm too tired to look.

Good effort dreamer, but as it says; Description; Englsh; I created this based on.........a map of the counties Wales. Nothing to do with rugby.
Is there a WRU map of who's who coz I haven't seen one yet.

North Wales isn't part of the Scarlets region anymore - Nigel made a point when it was taken away and Bridgend added to the Ospreys that the Scarlets have something like half the professional clubs in their region as the Ospreys

There is Dave - but I don't know where it is (and like Dreamer I'm too tired to look) but the Cardiff one (as far as I'm aware) stretches from Barry/Penarth to past Merthyr and from somewhere like Cowbridge/Llantrisant to Lisvane. The Scarlets basically have the old Dyfed region. But you can tell that by looking at the clubs registered to that region - they are defined by the boundaries around each region - and they should give you an idea of how big each regions catchment area is

Smirnoffpriest wrote:There is Dave - but I don't know where it is (and like Dreamer I'm too tired to look) but the Cardiff one (as far as I'm aware) stretches from Barry/Penarth to past Merthyr and from somewhere like Cowbridge/Llantrisant to Lisvane. The Scarlets basically have the old Dyfed region. But you can tell that by looking at the clubs registered to that region - they are defined by the boundaries around each region - and they should give you an idea of how big each regions catchment area is

Imaginary regional lines mean nowt to nobody. Never have done and never will.

Smirnoffpriest wrote:North Wales isn't part of the Scarlets region anymore - Nigel made a point when it was taken away and Bridgend added to the Ospreys that the Scarlets have something like half the professional clubs in their region as the Ospreys

North Wales is and always was miles away from Llanelli.
Anyway Llanelli, oops sorry Llanelli Scarlets (lets all pretend they are not Llanelli RFC) ie Scarlets are still in with a shout.

They're not imaginery lines - you asked where the regional boundaries are - Rugbydreamer told you where the WRU has divided the regions and what areas within (South) Wales are each regions responsibility.

They aren't Llanelli RFC - they play in the prem they are the Scarleys and have feeder clubs throughout the whole of the old Dyfed area (but for some reason Felinfoel is missed out of the list on BBC) regardless of what you decide on calling them (it is getting a bit petty).

True North Wales is miles away from Llanelli (around a 130 miles or more) but I never said that Llanelli was in North Wales or had anything to do with it - I just said the WRU had put North Wales into our region but had now taken it back out.

WHat are the Scarlets still in with a shout of?

Smirnoffpriest wrote:They're not imaginery lines - you asked where the regional boundaries are - Rugbydreamer told you where the WRU has divided the regions and what areas within (South) Wales are each regions responsibility.

They aren't Llanelli RFC - they play in the prem they are the Scarleys and have feeder clubs throughout the whole of the old Dyfed area (but for some reason Felinfoel is missed out of the list on BBC) regardless of what you decide on calling them (it is getting a bit petty).

True North Wales is miles away from Llanelli (around a 130 miles or more) but I never said that Llanelli was in North Wales or had anything to do with it - I just said the WRU had put North Wales into our region but had now taken it back out.

WHat are the Scarlets still in with a shout of?

The regional boundaries haven't been defined at all ever, so in fact regions mean nothing as they have done from the very beginning. Still don't know where these boundaries are supposed to be. Never bothered me actually as I support Cardiff RFC. Don't even know where Cardiff's boundaries are for that matter or where they were before. I thought Cardiff were simply a rugby team that anybody could support wherever they lived or is that not allowed in Wales these days?

Who plays at PYS? Llanelli RFC and???

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Smirnoffpriest wrote:There is Dave - but I don't know where it is (and like Dreamer I'm too tired to look) but the Cardiff one (as far as I'm aware) stretches from Barry/Penarth to past Merthyr and from somewhere like Cowbridge/Llantrisant to Lisvane. The Scarlets basically have the old Dyfed region. But you can tell that by looking at the clubs registered to that region - they are defined by the boundaries around each region - and they should give you an idea of how big each regions catchment area is

Imaginary regional lines mean nowt to nobody. Never have done and never will.

In the old days, where I grew up, school boy rugby trials were separated into four areas for our Region. Maesteg, Aberavon, Bridgend and Neath. My friends and I lived nearest to Maesteg, but only a short trip to Neath. We played for Glyncorrwg RFC and our school in Port Talbot. We all took trials with Aberavon, Maesteg and Neath. Each area was a main rival, each area trials were mainly local lads from those towns who disliked and rarely co-oporated on the field with lads they didn't know. The system didn't work but still produced great talent, not myself.

Welsh Fullback Gerwyn Williams was the famous former rugby pupil. He beat the All Blacks with Wales, won a triple Crown, a Grandslam and was a Cambridge Blue. He played club rugby for Llanelli.

That area is now the Osprey region. There has always been a historic rivalry between the towns and villages in the region, but I think that much off that is forgotten now. I think young people in the area see themselves as part of the Ospreys far more than their parents and Grandparents generations.

maestegmafia wrote:

That area is now the Osprey region. There has always been a historic rivalry between the towns and villages in the region, but I think that much off that is forgotten now. I think young people in the area see themselves as part of the Ospreys far more than their parents and Grandparents generations.

Neath?

Cardiff Dave wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

That area is now the Osprey region. There has always been a historic rivalry between the towns and villages in the region, but I think that much off that is forgotten now. I think young people in the area see themselves as part of the Ospreys far more than their parents and Grandparents generations.

Neath?

Hmmmm good point...!

I think that is more political than anything else. Ask Mike Cuddy?

Shame as it is one of the most passionate rugby towns in the area. Far more so than Maesteg, Aberavon and Bridgend

Cardiff Dave wrote:

The regional boundaries haven't been defined at all ever, so in fact regions mean nothing as they have done from the very beginning. Still don't know where these boundaries are supposed to be. Never bothered me actually as I support Cardiff RFC. Don't even know where Cardiff's boundaries are for that matter or where they were before. I thought Cardiff were simply a rugby team that anybody could support wherever they lived or is that not allowed in Wales these days?

Who plays at PYS? Llanelli RFC and???

Rugbydreamer has just shown you how the regions have been defined and have been since the start of regionalisation (though admittedly with some alterations along the way) - so how can you say the boundaries have never been defined - I know where the boundaries are (roughly) as do most fans I feel.

Smirnoffpriest wrote:

Rugbydreamer has just shown you how the regions have been defined and have been since the start of regionalisation (though admittedly with some alterations along the way) - so how can you say the boundaries have never been defined - I know where the boundaries are (roughly) as do most fans I feel.

With all due respect, rugbydreamer has not shown or defined where these WRU Welshy made up and pretend regional lines are drawn and I bet he/she doesn't know either.
So can anyone show us where these regional lines are exactly or what the hell they really mean, if they do mean anything at all for starters.

She posted you links, the links showed the maps - they are neither made up or pretend no matter how much evidence you want to ignore. I'm not sure if there is any point reposting the links rugbydreamer (whose a she by the way) sent you if you're not going to bother looking at them - also just you could just click on your regions website which shows you which clubs come under that regions area - you can then work out where that region stretches. There is an official WRU map somewhere showing the breakdown of each regions responsibilities - google it why don't you?

As I keep saying the only person who thinks these lines are made up is you because you refuse to look or do any research.

Smirnoffpriest wrote:She posted you links, the links showed the maps - they are neither made up or pretend no matter how much evidence you want to ignore. I'm not sure if there is any point reposting the links rugbydreamer (whose a she by the way) sent you if you're not going to bother looking at them - also just you could just click on your regions website which shows you which clubs come under that regions area - you can then work out where that region stretches. There is an official WRU map somewhere showing the breakdown of each regions responsibilities - google it why don't you?

As I keep saying the only person who thinks these lines are made up is you because you refuse to look or do any research.

The crayoned and coloured in meaningless regional WRU map is hardly ordnance survey quality and means nothing anyway as anybody in Wales can support who the hell they like. Will Pontypridd fans support Cardiff just because a supposed official WRU map indicates they should? I have far more respect for Ponty fans than you obviously.

whose telling who to support anyone? You asked where the regional boundaries are - people are trying to tell you.

the WRU matter because they are the ones who decide almost everything about the regions - the boundaries are set by the WRU and have nothing to do with support but everything to do with each region being responsible for developing rugby in their own region, working with the clubs in their region and using those clubs to feed youngsters into the main region club at the top of the pyramid (hence Welch playing for Llandovery when he wasn't needed with the Scarlets last season) and Sam Hobbs playing for Pontypridd when not in the Blues squad.

It's not about demanding fans support a particular region - it's about all those clubs feeding into 1 region and that region working with the clubs and developing youngsters with them. SO they are hardly meaningless as the Blues couldn't just go to Llandovery or Carmarthen Quinns and start working with them or poaching their youngsters as they are in the Scarlets region and vice versa.