Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

[SpacemanSpiff]

I do like the fact you can mike up a ref in Rugby and every player respects his decision. They've nearly got the use of technology right but it can be annoying when an arrogant ref refuses to look at a replay and calls it wrong ie Scotland Wales.

I agree the scrums and line outs are farcical, but football could learn a lot from rugby.

[Diggers]

You still get plenty of line outs lost by the side throwing in and scrums won against the head. The dominance of England in the scrum set the platform for them to hammer Ireland, it still plays a big part on the game.
Bang on about respect to the ref Spaceman. Only the skipper can approach the ref, should be the same in football.

[super_realist]

I'd agree with the ref thing, although there are too many replacements allowed and i think the scoring is flawed, a team can be out of sight within twenty minutes.

[Diggers]

Why is it flawed, the opposing team can score as many points the same way just as quickly, the numbers are bigger but that's irrelevant in terms of the contest.
3-0 down in football, 21-0 down in rugby, it's just the same.

[super_realist]

Not to mention its a bit gay. Why would anyone want to fumble about with other men?

[mystiroakey]

rugby is an awesome game!!

[SpacemanSpiff]

rugby is an awesome game!!

You've come out on the wrong thread oakey!

[mystiroakey]

Well i frequent the rugby boards alot- and no its not a gay game mr spaceman...


Gayest sports in order of ranking.

1.WWF
2.diving
3.synchonised swimming
4.ice skating

[SpacemanSpiff]

Well i frequent the rugby boards alot- and no its not a gay game mr spaceman...


Gayest sports in order of ranking.

1.WWF
2.diving
3.synchonised swimming
4.ice skating

Rat-ing!

[lorus59]

One thing I hate about rugby is the drop-kick. It seems a sneaky way to win a match.

[mystiroakey]

sneaky- you what!!- you just trying to have a dig at JW and england with the most impressive RWC victory in the SH

[lorus59]

I seem to remember South Africa scored like 5 drop-goals against England in one World Cup. I would not care who won it by that method, but it seems a hollow way to do it. They should have to score a try or a penalty to win it.

[mystiroakey]

i dont understand your point at all, and most drop kicks are scored in an advantage situatiuon(a penalty would be awarded if its missed anyway). also its a briliant way to win- infact much better than a penalty for me. Dont get your logic dude!

[lorus59]

They should have to score a try. A drop goal is too easy. It would be like a football team wining for getting a corner kick.

[mystiroakey]

well invent a new game then.. because we are talking about rugby and everyone knows the rules.. you come up some odd stuff dude

[lorus59]

Rugby is based on getting through your opposition's line. If they don't allow that by unfair means they risk losing 3 points from a penalty. A drop-goal however means they don't have to get through.

[mystiroakey]

no its not.. its based on its rules.just like NFL,AFL,rugby league, 7's,etc

What you been smoking dude?


also you just dont get rugby at all do you.

as said before the majority of drop goals are scored under advantage play and secondly if a try is stopped by unfair means a penalty try is awarded

[Doon the Water]

Is Teresa May morphing into Patsy [Johanna Lumbley]

[navyblueshorts]

This guy looks obese. It would probably take 25 secs to run a hundred metres. Totally disagree that he is an athlete. He's a rugby player.

You plainly know little. Have you ever played against one of these guys???? We had a large prop (not unlike Bell) train with us once at Uni (Ireland u21 squad)....he was the quickest, by far, over 30 metres and we had some quick backs. If all you know is running (and I'm beginning to wonder about that), try not to embarrass yourself commenting on a prop forward. Bell can probably bench a huge amount, his upper body strength will be immense.
Presumably, you think sumo wrestlers should be striplings capable of running a marathon in 2-10??
Yes, he could probably be trimmer but couldn't most people, sportsmen included? This sort of remark and the "is he or isn't he an athlete?" argument is asinine, at best.

[navyblueshorts]

So a fat lorry driver is an athlete because his build is suited to driving a truck.
This guy is only a rugby player because he's too big, fat, heavy and slow to do anything else.
An pointless sport with ludicrous rules

I assume you're on a WUM mission? You're becoming increasing ridiculous and strident these days S_R. Get over yourself. If you can't understand the rugby rules, that's no-one's fault but your own.

[super_realist]

Sorry, whatever you say I just can't square bell being an athlete any more than I can a sumo wrestler or a weight litter. I see athleticism as being someone at the peak of their conditioning and aerobic/fitness potential. Bells physique is an insult to professional sport.
As always I'm on a bit of a wind up, but there's always a bit of truth in what I'm saying. There is frankly no need for anyone in any sport to be that much of a gutlord. however if you want to be like that don't be surprised if people laugh if the word athlete is mentioned in the same sentence as a twenty stone pie muncher with ten chins.

If you need a mirror to see your man sausage can you really call yourself an athlete?

[McLaren]

Navy

Cling on to your "glory" days of uni rugby through defending the likes of that fat bloke in the video but don't expect us to take you seriously while you carry out that process. If you really don't think that a different physique could help him better execute his role then I fear you don't understand how fitness can aid sporting success.

[lorus59]

I can't help but think that super almost thinks along the line of the Nazi's Aryan master race. He wants a world with perfect human specimens.

[Doon the Water]

Obesity is going to be a huge challenge for the next generation.
When some folk do not recognise a person who is obese I think it will make the challenge even bigger.
No one wants perfect specimens but I think we all want healthy persons who will live a long life and not be wheelchair bound by the time they are 40 years old.

[lorus59]

There is going to be so many challenges for the next generation. Aging populations, religious fundamentalists, energy costs, global warming etc. But look on the bright side, they all have their iphones.

[mystiroakey]

Doon i am thinking of wall e..

[super_realist]

Certainly not lorus, I just simply can't see there being an excuse or reason for anyone, let alone a professional sportsman to be out of shape quite so drastically.

If people are happy to be fat, I've no problem with it, my issue comes when they try to blame someone other than themselves. I.e. 'i can't be thin because I can't afford to eat healthily' , or that they don't have the time to exercise. Utter codswallop.

Aye, but you can afford the full sky subscription, 50 inch plasma, twenty b&h a day and four hours a night on the sofa.

[Doon the Water]

Spot on the SR [not often I say that to you is it!!]

'We are so poor we can only afford fish and chips', said this woman on the telly

Last fish and chips I bought cost me nearly £6.

20p for a bannana, 75p for a Mars Bar.

We have just made 12 jars of bramble and apple jelly for about £3.50. Brambles were free, collected and frozen over a six week harvest. So much better than shop stuff.
We also buy a load of veggies and make a big soup pot every 3 to 4 months. Freeze in Flora tubs for a portion, handy cheap and very good for you.

[mystiroakey]

I boil a free range chicken with tinned tomatoes,parshipns,potatoes,carrots up- all the meat is used. it creates 10 brilliant meals for about 2 quid a pop! i freeze the rest and pull em out when i need.

The problem with most people is lack of cooking skills-for example they roast a chicken and dont do it right. It goes all rubbery around the wings and back. They end up buying a factory farmed bird and then throw half of it away. If you know how to cook the get way more for your money and it obviously tatses good.

Kids end up hating certain things and become fussy because the one time mum trys to cook some decent veg they over boil it and it comes out soggy, or try and cook something decent and it tatses rank!! Then they never bother trying again

[super_realist]

It's a shame because cooking is embarassingly easy, tv chefs can sometimes make it look difficult (ie man sausages like the ghastly , smug fat faced egomaniac heston blumenthal) in order to make themselves look good, but the truth is that anyone cann cook great food with a bit of organisation and common sense.

[Doon the Water]

I remember a chef saying that most folk who cook vegetables would get more nutrition from drinking the water they were boiled in than eating the overcooked veggies.

Quite good fun telling my grandchildren the benefits of eating veggies.
My six year old is now convinced that eating broccoli can make him throw a ball straighter and the true one that carrots make you see better in the dark.

I won't tell him that Guiness is good for you though!

[mystiroakey]

Well its one thing i like about Jamie oliver- its so simple(and very much how my mum cooked)

I was allways brought up around prepartion of food. helping with the sunday roasts, cooking bread, home made pizza,pasta and even cooking very complex stuff before i was 10..

Its a very healthy enviorment(cooking real food) and including children. The kids grow up healthy and knowledagble about it..

It becomes part of your life.

Btw the way i am not orgainsed at all. but its all about the taste. I just try and create and never follow a recipe exactly..

I love cooking- At present i am not doing it enough. I admit that lol- But when i have kids i will be cooking(or at least my mrs) every day, and it will be paramount to include them

[mystiroakey]

I remember a chef saying that most folk who cook vegetables would get more nutrition from drinking the water they were boiled in than eating the overcooked veggies.

Quite good fun telling my grandchildren the benefits of eating veggies.
My six year old is now convinced that eating broccoli can make him throw a ball straighter and the true one that carrots make you see better in the dark.

I won't tell him that Guiness is good for you though!

me and my sister used to actually drink it!!!

[McLaren]

I agree with all the points Doon made about obesity and that healthy food can be made at home but is it as cheap as we think to make your own food?

A single mother of 4 who comes home after work can spend the time creating a nice homemade meal or stick a couple of farmfood ready meals in the microwave. They may have been 4 for a £5 or some other deal.

The other option is to think of something to make and then spend 30-60 mins putting the meal together. On top of the time taken to make it, the most basic set of ingredients for a veggie meal will set her back at least £10-£15, possibly more. I do try to make dinner from scratch most evenings and the price of fresh food is making it ever more difficult to put together something for two for under £10. When you consider a couple of ready meals cost the same or less I can see how those who don’t like cooking would take that option.

I like to cook and have become ok at it, but what about those that don’t have a clue or just don’t want to give up their time? I guess you could argue that if you want to be healthy and live responsibly then you jusy have to give up the time. Have we become too used to being handed things on a plate both literally and figuratively?

I was lucky, as it seems was mysti, to grow up in a household where every meal was made from scratch with fresh ingredients and was just part of life. If that had not been the case would I have had the inclination to do the same now? I am not sure.

As easy as super says cooking is, and he is correct to say anyone can do it, I doubt that is a comment perspective those who don’t cook hold.

One thing is clear and that is the supermarkets need to be put under increasing pressure to make the quick easy meals they provide as healthy as possible. After all, so many people may have no choice but to use them at least some of the time.

[mystiroakey]

Mac cooking can be expensive if you are having a standard meat and potato and veg. buying chicken breats or seaks or lamb/pork chops.

But half the time you can make a chicken curry(made from thigh),stirfry(only need a bit of meat), shepards pie, a pasta bake, a chicken stew, a vegtable curry.

Cooking for two can be very expensive- cooking for a family can be alot cheaper and you when you cook all in one type dishes. you can also freeze half of it

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

Cling on to your "glory" days of uni rugby through defending the likes of that fat bloke in the video but don't expect us to take you seriously while you carry out that process. If you really don't think that a different physique could help him better execute his role then I fear you don't understand how fitness can aid sporting success.

The only "glory" hunter is you with your Man U, Tiger Woods etc fetish. I'm sure Bell could be lighter but he's sustained a top career in a very tough sport until he's reached 37 (I think) - he couldn't do that, by definition, if he wasn't fit. As for your "different physique" comment, don't be absurd; he's been where he is for as long as he has been because of that physique. You don't actually get it do you? Let me know when you find that other neuron .

[navyblueshorts]

More money-grabbing in China?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/17814727

[kwinigolfer]

Paul Walsh is the worst commentator in the history of sport. Discuss.

[lorus59]

I don't think Paul Walsh is that bad at all. His heavy cockney accent is a bit much sometimes but I think his knowledge is quite good. There are a lot worse out there than him. My favourite is Stewart Robson.

[navyblueshorts]

Paul Walsh is the worst commentator in the history of sport. Discuss.

Oh I don't know. Alan Green of 5Live is worse than annoying.

[incontinentia]

How about Sid Waddell?

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