Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

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Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

[super_realist]

I'd consider something where accuracy, technical ability and coordination is relied upon to be at a very high degree to be considered truly skillful. Therefore tennis, snooker, darts etc are incredibly skillful games, football less so as the game is strewn with errors, missed passes, poor tackles, missed shots etc.

What I really hate about football is that they are generally appalling athletes. Most players will run between 6-8 km per game, which isn't far in 90 minutes and they'll complain about playing twice a week. Bloody poofters.

[navyblueshorts]

Thanks super, that is definitely along the lines I was heading, although not sure there is as much skill as you hint to.

Navy, you highlight something of great skill but it is no more than someone catching a ball and running into space. Where is the great wonderment of how anyone could achieve that?

If you like that sort of thing then watch Hernandez off the ball, the way he runs into space is quite marvellous, and he can do it almost every coupe of minutes or so. A great show of fitness and vision. I wonder if this Tom Croft fellow can make this runs as often?

Mac. I'll draw a line now. It's patently obvious we won't agree. I think you'll find Tom Croft can make runs like that a-plenty. Oh and while he's at it, tackle (i.e. rugby tackle huge men at pace), maul, ruck, scrummage, rip the ball off other players etc etc.
Running off the ball in footy is absurdly easy. The fact Hernandez makes it look good is because so many other players on >£100k p/w are absolutely poopie.

[navyblueshorts]

Far be for it for me to defend mac but I think what he was hamfistedly trying to say was that Rugby has more emphasis on strength than on pure skill and talent. That's not to say that rugby is without skill but that it makes up less of the participant than in many other sports.

I'd be inclined to agree to some extent S_R (it's gone that way since the game went pro) but Mac's absurd, sweeping nonsense of a statement tends to make me ignore any merit it might have.

[McLaren]

Those are all acts of power and not skill navy.

[super_realist]

Where is the skill in f1 mac, its just bravery and reaction speed as far as I can see. Truly stupid pursuit.

[navyblueshorts]

Those are all acts of power and not skill navy.

If you say so Mac; you're obviously the expert. If you think there's no skill in any of those elements of rugby I'm afraid I'll have to cast aspersions on your claim to have played the game at any level above the school playground.

[chris_dior1]

Is there a worse wide combination in the EPL than Glen Johnson and Downing. Truly terrible.

indeed

[dynamark]

Lets not start picking on F1 gents.Not everyones cup of tee but some folk do not like golf incredibly.It is a combination of many excellent things and the skill and ability of the drivers is of the very highest order.

[super_realist]

Dyna, it was a dig at Mac rather than a dig in the engineering competition that is f1. There are different levels of skill in every sport. For the record I think football is one of the most skill-less sports around, certainly at the level most teams play.

[Diggers]

Agreed DM, in fact I can see something in most sports to enjoy, personally I think the first 15 minutes of an rugby union test is as intense a sporting spectacle as you can get.
Mac did you ever consider that its just you who happened to find the game easy, maybe that was your gift, plenty of people would have loved to have played county rugby but didnt not for want of trying but because they werent good enough. If it was easy then everyone would be queueing up to earn 25k a year as an English international. The fact is that some people are clearly better than others just like any sport.
Im pretty sure that anyone who was taken round a circuit in the back seat of a racing car by an F1 driver would quickly appreciate the skills involved in that sport.

[McLaren]

Diggs

I really hope rugby was not my gift! Given how much I would have loved to have been better at football or golf.

As for f1, I am a bit of an expert on the subject and anyone calling into question the skill of the drivers will just have to accept that when I say they are highy skilled, it is indeed the case.

[Diggers]

Yeah well Mac, Id have liked to have been a marine biologist or an international playboy but ended up in IT so sometimes life just sicks mate.

[super_realist]

Mac, how can you be an expert in f1 when all you have done is watch it. You are an avid watcher, that is all.

[navyblueshorts]

Mac, how can you be an expert in f1 when all you have done is watch it. You are an avid watcher, that is all.

Quite so.

[Diggers]

Yes, that be like being a Seal recruitment expert because you've read a few military books.....

[McLaren]

Or like Super being a twat despite never having been near one.

[navyblueshorts]

Or like Super being a twat despite never having been near one.

[Shotrock]

F1 far more enjoyable than NASCAR (by a long shot IMO). But, hats off to both for being some very skilled athletes. People often overestimate their reaction skill and underestimate their anticipation skills. Both crucial, but you can't be at the top level without either.

[super_realist]

Yes, that be like being a Seal recruitment expert because you've read a few military books.....

Reading facts and reporting them is very different from claiming to be an expert from watching an engineering competition from his beanbag in his squalid squat beside his imaginary girlfriend, credit to Mac for making a good joke, I think that's two in a fortnight. He's an expert on getting the bus to the course though.

As for Cocknose Woods being a Seal, he can't even manage a round of golf without injury, the big poofter. Even the US forces would have to discharge him for physical weakness.

[Diggers]

I remember seeing Jenson talking after he had been driven around a track by Jake Humphrey who thought he had gone pretty quick. Button looked quite puzzled and said it was odd that people didnt get speed and how you actually drive quickly. I suspect it's a spatial skilll you are born with or not.

[McLaren]

Super,

I dont get it, surely even if f1 was nothing more than an engineering contest it could still be interesting? After all what can be more interesting than science and engineering?

Have you ever driven on a track super?

or been to an f1 race?

[mystiroakey]

sr i think i may have to rethink woods seal ambitions lol.

F1 is awesome. cant wait for next week!!!

[PoultersWig]

After all what can be more interesting than science and engineering?

beer and pussy? you shud try it sometime

[McLaren]

At the same time?

[super_realist]

Mac, as interesting as mechanical engineering can be, I don't think it should form the basis of a sport. The fact that it is not a level playing field denudes it of any sporting appeal for me.
Having said that I think some of the drivers come across as very good guys. Vettel in particular is far more interesting and down to earth than almost every other sportsman around at the moment. Infinitely more likable than any footballer or egg chucker.

[McLaren]

Super

Even if it falls short of your classification as a true sport can you not just enjoy the spectacle for what it is?

[super_realist]

Not really, aside from the fact it is as boring as a Woods interview the fact that so few drivers/teams can win drastically takes away the very element that would make it a sporting spectacle.

[Lairdy]

Any one got an eye on another 'sport' at Cheltenham today? I went to a race meeting at Ayr last year and I've found it odd how much interest I have with the sport now. Not that I am an avid fan or expert but merely the fact that I'll listen or watch it now instead of instantly turning it off like I used to.

Is hurricane fly really that much of a cert?

[mystiroakey]

sisters at cheltenham today- its her bday!! anyway yep hurricane is the fav- would personally go for binnocolar mind

[Lairdy]

Only on a couple of the favourites. Sprinter Sacre already came in

[McLaren]

A very good read

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html?pagewanted=1&_r=4&hp


It says at the end that the guy is resigning, I am not sure he will even be allowed back into the building to collect the stuff on his desk!!!

[mystiroakey]

What a game by chelsea. well done boys. drogba was immense if not a bit naughty going to ground. but then the italians taught us..

[super_realist]

How annoying is that cockend on the ladbrokes adverts?

[Diggers]

Cracking finish in the Man Utd game, great technique.

[super_realist]

Ferdinand is really past his sell by date

[Diggers]

He's probably been Man Utd best player for the past month or Super. He's not shot in the paddock yet, but he isn't one of the 3-4 centr halfs in the works anymore either.

[super_realist]

It's likely to be him and Terry in the euros and that looks like a recipe for disaster as both are too slow now.

[Diggers]

Can't see they pairing happening personally, I agree it would be a disaster in all probability. I hope Lescott is one of the starters. Him, Cole and Micah Richards plus maybe Ferdinand would work for me. A lot of it depends how well Parker plays in the midfield holding role.

[super_realist]

I would not let Cole or Terry near any team if I had the option. Can't remember the last time Cole played well and he's a total piece of scheisse. England would be a lot more likable and probably a lot more successful if they ditched the big time Charlies who think they have a guaranteed starting place.

[Diggers]

I can't stand Cole but he has been a fantastic player for England and has probably had a handful of poor games for England. He has been outstanding in many despite having no decent left sided midfield tracking back. I have never questioned Coles work ethic and desire.
He is also playing well again for Chelsea, he played really well yesterday against some top forwards.That said Baines is also a really good full back and seems like a good bloke. But Cole still shades it for me.
I'm with you re Terry though.

[super_realist]

Interesting Diggers, to me he's flattered to deceive in the last two years at Chelsea and is nowhere near the player he was when he was at Arsenal, while he's been the best of a bad left sided lot for England. He's also a diving Bar Steward.

[Diggers]

He's lost a yard of pace but he is probably more savvy now. He was top drawer for a while , he was probably the most hated player in England for ages , probably still is, but you won't hear many England fans criticise how he has played in a white shirt.

[super_realist]

I think England would be a lot more liked if they got rid of terry, Cole, gerrard , Ferdinand etc, that and if the media were a bit more realistic about their chances, they are getting a bit more that way now but like fans of the old firm they still think they are a feared force who somehow deserve to do well.

[Diggers]

I don't think anyone cares if they are liked or not , it's not a popularity contest. If they play some good football and get on a good run they wil have masses of support

Some of the old guard do need to go but leaving the better players for their positions is also crucial. I'd still have Gerrard and Cole but lose Terry and Lampard. It breaks up the clique but keeps players with something to give.
Footballers are footballers, Wilshire already has a kid with a girl he's not with and been in a few fracas and us covered in tattoos. Does anyone care ? Not really.

[super_realist]

I know I know, just seems England have always had a lot of players that are pretty wretched characters, not too many other countries have that many that you just don't like.

[Diggers]

I don't think we get to know the dirt on a lot of other countries players, not to the same detail anyway. Other countries press don't seem to care about the celeb culture like ours does.
That said I'm not disagreeing a lot of our seem like complete choobs.

[kwinigolfer]

From 3,000 miles away Ashley Cole looks the most over-rated England player ever. Except Heskey of course, but who ever rated him?

Reckon Cole has been in decline ever since Euro 2004. I'd pick Leighton Baines for England and Ryan Bertrand for Chelsea.

[mystiroakey]

ashley cole has been brilliant for england- lb is a tough place to fill, he was and still is one of the best there is. one of the only stand out england players over the last 10 years

[super_realist]

Let's be fair though, there haven't been many stand out players for England in a generation, let alone the last ten years.

[Diggers]

That's like saying Argentina hasn't had any stand out players. Players have played well within a side that hasnt done brilliantly. Ferdinand was in the world cup all star side in Japan. Rooney is a stand out talent. Plenty of very good players in this generation.

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