The Wales vs England bickering thread, 2012 - PONIES ALLOWED!

[TycroesOsprey]

First topic message reminder :

OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty .

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads.

So I will begin, An article in the Western Mail today pointed out how England are copying Gatlands youthful approach with a squad that has an average age of 25 and 428 caps between them.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2012/01/12/analysis-new-look-england-follow-youthful-wales-lead-91466-30105333/

Wales probable squad (once you have taken out Shane and Wellies from the World cup squad with their probable replacements) lines up at the same average age and about 820 caps between them. England are copying Wales' approcach but are way behind. Clearly all things point to a wales victory in HQ this year.

Discuss

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Please may I emphasise that this is a bickering and banter thread, whilst mild wumming and banter are allowed please try not to stray over the line of decency.

[TycroesOsprey]

If Wales don't win the 6 nations this year what does it mean?

France and England are re building squads and coaching set ups, so neither would expect to win the Slam

Ireland is missing BOD, plus the rest of the golden generation are getting on a bit.

Scotland and Italy won't win it., sorry but you won’t.

The pressure is really on Wales to win, if they don't will Gatts and Co be given the boot, as that would be a huge failure given the circumstances.

poor HERSH come on you can do better than that surely?

[HERSH]

Ouch...

Injuries can't really be used as an excuse by Gatts, his had plenty of time in the role and apart from his 1st year in charge Wales have done nothing.

[HERSH]

You could also argue that the 2008 slam was down to Gareth Jenkins.

[TycroesOsprey]

Ouch...

Injuries can't really be used as an excuse by Gatts, his had plenty of time in the role and apart from his 1st year in charge Wales have done nothing.

Thats not much better really given the semifinal a few months ago.

[TycroesOsprey]

You could also argue that the 2008 slam was down to Gareth Jenkins.

You could argue that but I doubt even the most rabid one eyed scarlets fan would try.

[HERSH]

Semi final loss, and whats the best Wales could have got after that, 3rd place.

They got 4th

[TycroesOsprey]

Semi final loss, and whats the best Wales could have got after that, 3rd place.

They got 4th

sigh, and you used to be quite amusing,

[HERSH]

The F A C T is

if Wales don't win the 6 nations then Gatts is back to where he was before the RWC.

That Axe has been sharpened for some time.

[TycroesOsprey]

[HERSH]

RWC record played 7, won 4, lost 3

Not great is it, plus the world cup warm ups were a mixed bag, add 4th place in last years 6 nations.

I'm confused as to why Wales are regarded so highly?

[TycroesOsprey]

RWC record played 7, won 4, lost 3

Not great is it, plus the world cup warm ups were a mixed bag, add 4th place in last years 6 nations.

I'm confused as to why Wales are regarded so highly?

Thats a bit better.

[miteyironpaw]

RWC record played 7, won 4, lost 3

Not great is it, plus the world cup warm ups were a mixed bag, add 4th place in last years 6 nations.

I'm confused as to why Wales are regarded so highly?

Surely HERSH it's because on their day they can beat anyone.

[HERSH]

apart from ......!

[englandglory4ever]

"Surely HERSH it's because on their day they can beat anyone."

Trouble is their 'days' are few and far between.

So really it should be "occasionally they can beat an understrength good team if they play it in Cardiff"

[HERSH]

so true, also it's the end of the season for the good teams.

[Cymroglan]

Wow it's amazing how such small country can get under the skin of some people.
Little Wales really bugs you to the extent that it has become a obsession.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Only because we have to play you every year, if wed done what was suggested and ran off with France to join the Sanzars 9 years ago youd be forgotten little brothers.






................and Englands win loss ratio would be a heck of a lot more emabaressing

[HERSH]

I seem to have hit a nerve.

[Cymroglan]

No names mentioned

[HERSH]

I see France as are biggest rivals anyway.

But answer me this, before the RWC Gatts and Co were struggling, now if they don't win this years 6 nations do they really have a future with Wales?

Eng and Fra are re building, Ireland are on a downward trend due to players getting older, talk about Dads army!

If Wales fail to win then Gatts has to go, IMO

[Cymroglan]

I also see France as our biggest rivals. There is a lot of talk about Ireland wanting to beat Wales but in Wales it's the French game that's judged as being this years grudge match.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

I also see France as our biggest rivals. There is a lot of talk about Ireland wanting to beat Wales but in Wales it's the French game that's judged as being this years grudge match.

True, you must be fed up of losing to them every year. At least you go to cheat Ireland out of a win recently.

[Cymroglan]

Peter I think England will do well now that a few youngsters have been put in the mix.
The most recent game against Ireland was during the world cup I was not aware of any cheating going on ?

[english warrior]

Cymrologen- 'I was not aware of any cheating going on'

And therein lies the problem with many Welsh supporters!!

[Cymroglan]

english warrior
Could you be more specific and explain to me how Wales won the last encounter against Ireland by cheating ?

[HERSH]

Its quite on hear today, have the Welsh given up and gone home?

[Cymroglan]

Its quite on hear here today, have the Welsh given up and gone home?

[Shifty]

I also see France as our biggest rivals. There is a lot of talk about Ireland wanting to beat Wales but in Wales it's the French game that's judged as being this years grudge match.

Maybe up north, but down South the grudge match is England, everything else is secondary.
Ireland owe us two, we owe France one, so hopefully things will even themselves out.

[miteyironpaw]

The unfortunate reality undermining that particular piece of logic Alyn is that Wales have apparently "owed" the current world cup holders "one" since shortly after the conclusion of the last world war. So as long as you're patient I'm sure your scores will be settled one day.

[Taffineastbourne]

I just hope that this England selection can hold their booze a bit better than the last lot.If they stay sober they could give us a game.Wont mention the Saffer prop that they used to select who did other stuff.Let us hope for a good clean contest.

[englandglory4ever]

"I just hope that this England selection can hold their booze a bit better than the last lot.If they stay sober they could give us a game.Wont mention the Saffer prop that they used to select who did other stuff.Let us hope for a good clean contest."

I see the welsh haven't lost their backward looking instincts one iota!

[Knackeredknees]

I just hope that this England selection can hold their booze a bit better than the last lot.If they stay sober they could give us a game.Wont mention the Saffer prop that they used to select who did other stuff.Let us hope for a good clean contest.

I know I wish all our players were so innocent of any misbehavior at all, like those lovely welsh lads

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Youd be better off fighting this battle ona day when Armitage hadnt been arrested.

[miteyironpaw]

Youd be better off fighting this battle ona day when Armitage hadnt been arrested.

Right, that's put that one to bed then.

[HERSH]

[miteyironpaw]

We've all agreed I'm afraid HERSH, you'll need to dream up some more controversy if you expect entertainment.

[HERSH]

Wales should win the Grand Slam with the talent that they have, as on their day etc etc...

But I fear Gatland and Edwards will cost them that opportunity, both were good in their day but International rugby has moved on, they haven't!

[miteyironpaw]

Agreed. They've got tremendous talent at the moment and will expect to do well. Grandslam? Well it's wide open with world cup finalists France in with a shout, new look England out to impress and Ireland with the proven ability to beat all comers.

Are you ill HERSH?

[HERSH]

So if Wales fail to win the 6 nations should Gats and Co walk?

I can't help but think that they have become too comfortable within their roles at the WRU.

Are they really doing that well?

[TycroesOsprey]

So if Wales fail to win the 6 nations should Gats and Co walk?

I can't help but think that they have become too comfortable within their roles at the WRU.

Are they really doing that well?

People arent really biting with that tack HERSH, you keep trying it. Maybe your wumming needs a new coach a la Lancaster. Only short term of course until a decent successor can be found to take you wumming forward.

[HERSH]

It's not a Wum it's my point of view, seeing as I've played at a high level and done a bit of coaching with some top teams I really can't see what all the Welsh fans see.

Look at the facts and stats and Gatts and Co are lucky to still have a job at the WRU, One swallow doesn't make a summer.

This 6 nations is huge for them, failure is not an option for Wales.

[miteyironpaw]

Personally, I think that this 6N is huge for HERSH, if he can't get even a dedicated Wales v England bickering forum humming with wumming, then he may need to walk on. He might be a bit too comfortable in his role as resident WUM.

[TycroesOsprey]

I think were all down in the dumps with injury news at the moment so HERSH isnt even registering for most of us . Also the Ireland game is on sunday and its more fun watching the Irish bicker with themselves than baiting Sais tbh. After the matches at the weekend Im sure normal service will resume.

[HERSH]

It's not a wum, I honestly can't remember the last time I did one?

[miteyironpaw]

I think were all down in the dumps with injury news at the moment so HERSH isnt even registering for most of us . Also the Ireland game is on sunday and its more fun watching the Irish bicker with themselves than baiting Sais tbh. After the matches at the weekend Im sure normal service will resume.

Didn't Huw Bennet do an alright job for you in the RWC despite widespread belief that he's cac?

Rhys Priestland would be a big loss obviously, but again, was he not missing for crucial parts of the RWC?

You'll be fine , don't worry.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

It's not a wum, I honestly can't remember the last time I did one?

[TrailApe]

It's not a wum, I honestly can't remember the last time I did one?

It might be true - I keep fogetting things all the time.

But then I'm an old git - I thought Hershey was just a sproglet?


(ie under 40)

[HERSH]

I hear that a large majority of Welsh fans are getting their excuses in early as they have far too many injuries to win in Ireland.

Pathetic excuse IMO.

[Glas a du]

No it's a brilliant one. It means the close win will be a huge victory against the odds.

Do try to keep up, there's a good man.

[english warrior]

How can Wales, who,as everybody knows, are the best side in the NH, even consider making excuses for any 6 nations match , because they are so far ahead of the rest, and recently made a WC semi- final.

Just ask those great teams that they beat, such as Namibia, Fiji et al. So there is no doubting their pedigree, or is there???

However, time will tell, if Wales is The real article, or 'Fools Gold', i know where my money is.

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