Stephen Ferris tackle- Was it a yellow card or even a penalty

by Rugby_Girl Sun 05 Feb 2012, 5:25 pm

First topic message reminder :

Wales won the match after Leigh Halfpenny kicked a penalty with under 1 min to go. Stephen Ferris was given a yellow card for a 'dangerous' tackle, everyone seems to agree yellow was harsh but was it even a penalty or was it just a good tackle?

**EDIT UPDATE from Adam**

The International Rugby Board and Six Nations have backed Referee Wayne Barnes over the penalty decision that led to Ireland's Stephen Ferris being yellow carded during the RBS 6 Nations match at the Aviva Stadium on February 5.

While an Independent Six Nations Disciplinary Panel did not ultimately uphold the citing, the IRB’s match officials performance review endorsed Barnes' decision to award a penalty. On first viewing the panel could understand exactly how the match referee came to his decision. In dismissing the citing no criticism of the referee’s on field decision should be taken or inferred. It was only after careful and prolonged analysis of the dynamics of the contact, including slow motion and step by step viewing, that the committee was able to see the strength of the submissions made in favour of Stephen Ferris.

All match officials are selected for International competition on merit. Performances are reviewed on an ongoing basis and taken into consideration when appointments are made for future international competitions.

Neither organisation will make any further comment on this matter.

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 09 Feb 2012, 12:36 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Apalling sour grapes from the Irish management. They should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute - basically implying it wasn't a penalty after Ferris was let off. Deliberate misrepresentation to imply that Ireland were cheated out of the game.

Poor, poor form. Something you'd normaly associate with Soccer.

A sad day for rugby.

They aren't implying anything they have flat out stated it .Do you think the Irish manager is lying?

“While we understand and fully support the stance to stamp out dangerous tackles in the game to make it safe at all levels, the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect and we also felt that it was a fair and legitimate tackle by Stephen."

by Glas a du Thu 09 Feb 2012, 12:37 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:First one to mention salad cream gets cited

by **rodders** Thu 09 Feb 2012, 12:45 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Apalling sour grapes from the Irish management. They should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute - basically implying it wasn't a penalty after Ferris was let off. Deliberate misrepresentation to imply that Ireland were cheated out of the game.

Poor, poor form. Something you'd normaly associate with Soccer.

A sad day for rugby.

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:05 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

They aren't implying anything they have flat out stated it .Do you think the Irish manager is lying?

“While we understand and fully support the stance to stamp out dangerous tackles in the game to make it safe at all levels, the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect and we also felt that it was a fair and legitimate tackle by Stephen."

Did a member of the offickal citing panel admit that it wasn't even a penalty?

Genuine question as I haven't seen the reports / transcripts. Been to busy.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:05 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Apalling sour grapes from the Irish management. They should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute - basically implying it wasn't a penalty after Ferris was let off. Deliberate misrepresentation to imply that Ireland were cheated out of the game.

Poor, poor form. Something you'd normaly associate with Soccer.

A sad day for rugby.

Chunky, you are too funny - no idea what you do for a living, but pls consider stand-up comedy

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:06 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:First one to mention salad cream gets cited

PSW, you are on form today

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:14 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:

They aren't implying anything they have flat out stated it .Do you think the Irish manager is lying?

“While we understand and fully support the stance to stamp out dangerous tackles in the game to make it safe at all levels, the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect and we also felt that it was a fair and legitimate tackle by Stephen."

Did a member of the offickal citing panel admit that it wasn't even a penalty?

Genuine question as I haven't seen the reports / transcripts. Been to busy.

I haven't seen the reports either but the Ireland manager Mick Kearney (who accompannied Ferris to the disciplinary meeting) said "the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect" now either he's telling the truth or he's lying there's no grey area and he isn't implying anything.

I would say it's most likely he's telling the truth as he would be caught in a lie very easily here.

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:17 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

I haven't seen the reports either but the Ireland manager Mick Kearney (who accompannied Ferris to the disciplinary meeting) said "the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect" now either he's telling the truth or he's lying there's no grey area and he isn't implying anything.

I would say it's most likely he's telling the truth as he would be caught in a lie very easily here.

Exactly. Do you think the disciplinary committee (even if they did say that) would want that info aired in public?

Kearney has cocked up big style. He's let his sour grapes overcome his proffessionality.

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:18 pm

I think it is hilarious Chunky tries to say all these controversial things but ends up just sounding stupid Laugh

by eirebilly Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:18 pm

Why are you all giving this any attention? Ferris tackle was deemed a tackle and nothing more. Why are you biting at this persistant posters attempts to wind you up and try to rubbidsh the Irish with his absurd way of looking at things?

by MrsP Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:19 pm

And it fits with the conclusions that most right thinking folk have come to after reading the laws and watching the footage with no preconceived ideas.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:20 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:

I haven't seen the reports either but the Ireland manager Mick Kearney (who accompannied Ferris to the disciplinary meeting) said "the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect" now either he's telling the truth or he's lying there's no grey area and he isn't implying anything.

I would say it's most likely he's telling the truth as he would be caught in a lie very easily here.

Exactly. Do you think the disciplinary committee (even if they did say that) would want that info aired in public?

Kearney has cocked up big style. He's let his sour grapes overcome his proffessionality.

It just get's better - where do you get your material? Is it all your own work?

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:20 pm

Yeah he should have agreed with you Chunky. Infact, because he didn't he is very unprofessional indeed, you are totally right. I mean the tackle Ferris made was a legal tackle, how dare he support legal tackles!

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:21 pm

eirebilly wrote:Why are you all giving this any attention? Ferris tackle was deemed a tackle and nothing more. Why are you biting at this persistant posters attempts to wind you up and try to rubbidsh the Irish with his absurd way of looking at things?

Like I said he tries to be controversial on this forum, and just comes off sounding ridiculous. Yesterday I think he was trying to say how terrible Tuilagi is to the game etc. Like I said, it is a funny read laughing

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:22 pm

Inability to answer any of the questions. Wriggling out of it

Love it.

Sour grapes at it's best. (worst).

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:22 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:

I haven't seen the reports either but the Ireland manager Mick Kearney (who accompannied Ferris to the disciplinary meeting) said "the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect" now either he's telling the truth or he's lying there's no grey area and he isn't implying anything.

I would say it's most likely he's telling the truth as he would be caught in a lie very easily here.

Exactly. Do you think the disciplinary committee (even if they did say that) would want that info aired in public?

Kearney has cocked up big style. He's let his sour grapes overcome his proffessionality.

What does "exactly" mean,you said the Ireland management were implying something I've shown you they haven't implied anything they've flat out stated it as fact.Whether the committee want it aired or not is irrelivant Kearney has aired it so either he's lying or telling the truth which do you think it is?

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:23 pm

Sorry what was the question again? I may have missed it amongst all the rest of the crap you said.

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:23 pm

eirebilly wrote: Ferris tackle was deemed a tackle and nothing more.

By who?

Not the referee. And officially, not by the Citing panel. Only by the Irish.

by **rodders** Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:24 pm

Give it up chunky just accept that you owe us the 3 points and the score was really Ireland 21 - Wales 20 ......

There's nothing like a good moral victory to raise the spirits guinness

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:24 pm

Chunky, let me help you (only cos I'm feeling sorry for you, mind):

Q: Do you think the disciplinary committee (even if they did say that) would want that info aired in public?

A: They haven't a choice, it will be in the report

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:24 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Sorry what was the question again? I may have missed it amongst all the rest of the crap you said.

You can usually spot them as they are followed by one of these "?"

by eirebilly Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:24 pm

I will give you all one thing, it is seriously funny watching someone make a huge fool of themselves while actually believing that they have a point and know more than the powers that be Very Happy

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:25 pm

roddersm wrote:Give it up chunky just accept that you owe us the 3 points and the score was really Ireland 21 - Wales 20 ......

Now THAT is comedy. Have a look at the 6N table.

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:25 pm

The funniest thing of all is, Chunky accuses the irish of sour grapes, yet he STILL can't let it go that Ferris' tackle was fine and Davies was punished. Chunky, give up son

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:26 pm

Moral Victories : Ireland 3 - 0 Wales

Yahoo

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:26 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:The funniest thing of all is, Chunky accuses the irish of sour grapes, yet he STILL can't let it go that Ferris' tackle was fine and Davies was punished. Chunky, give up son

No don't give up, this is brilliant, vastly improving my lunchtime break - jeebus, I love good comedy

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:27 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:The funniest thing of all is, Chunky accuses the irish of sour grapes, yet he STILL can't let it go that Ferris' tackle was fine and Davies was punished. Chunky, give up son

Ooooh dear dear dear. You haven't read my posts lately have you? I said both decision were right!

Letting yourself down again.

by SecretFly Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:27 pm

I think it's Thusday...

I think there are a few games on at the weekend that are very important ones for all sides.

I think the idea that this post is still getting per-second hits (mine another one!) makes me sad, as it means yet again the ref watchers, the pseudo citing-professionals and all-round anything-but-the-game commentators will probably win the chat6N cup again this year.

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:28 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Chunky, let me help you (only cos I'm feeling sorry for you, mind):

Q: Do you think the disciplinary committee (even if they did say that) would want that info aired in public?

A: They haven't a choice, it will be in the report

Great. I look forard to hearing them admit how a case that was brough to a citing commision (which means it was demeed a red card offence by the commisioner) was officially deemed not even worthy of stopping play.

by eirebilly Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:28 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:The funniest thing of all is, Chunky accuses the irish of sour grapes, yet he STILL can't let it go that Ferris' tackle was fine and Davies was punished. Chunky, give up son

Oh his best, imho, was on the booing thread saying that it was unsuprising from 'us' Irish that we booed because we are all cheats. That was a great piece Ok!

by geoff998rugby Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:28 pm

Your a laugh Chunky in trying to make a song and dance about an official quoting from the citing report prior to publication when the only really controversial aspect of the match was Davies tackle.

Everything is so much trivia and hot air

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:28 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:The funniest thing of all is, Chunky accuses the irish of sour grapes, yet he STILL can't let it go that Ferris' tackle was fine and Davies was punished. Chunky, give up son

Ooooh dear dear dear. You haven't read my posts lately have you? I said both decision were right!

Letting yourself down again.

So what exactly are you complaining about again?

Yep, I feel very let down indeed!

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:29 pm

Can we compile all Chunky's contributions in a book? Reckon it would fill the bathroom shelves of the land

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:30 pm

Yeah, I think he has left a few gems on the Manu Tuilagi one as well. Filled with contradictions and hypocrisy!

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:30 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Ooooh dear dear dear. You haven't read my posts lately have you? I said both decision were right!

The disciplinary committee don't agree.

by eirebilly Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:30 pm

I tell you what though, he has kicked this thread off again big time Wink

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:31 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

So what exactly are you complaining about again?

!

Mike Kearney deliberately misrepresenting the hearing findings to say "it wasn't even a penalty".

Going to be a great read when the transcript comes out. Really bad losers.

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:32 pm

Holy crap, are you being serious Chunky? I hope you are wumming!

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:33 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Mike Kearney deliberately misrepresenting the hearing findings to say "it wasn't even a penalty".

Going to be a great read when the transcript comes out. Really bad losers.

Ah okay I get it now,time to leave the thread when you realise you're arguing with a WUM.

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:34 pm

While you all laugh at me, the rest of the rugby world laughs at the bitterness of Ireland.

I can live with that.

by geoff998rugby Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:35 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:

So what exactly are you complaining about again?

!

Mike Kearney deliberately misrepresenting the hearing findings to say "it wasn't even a penalty".

Going to be a great read when the transcript comes out. Really bad losers.

Lets take this slowly Chunky -

how does saying "it wasn't even a penalty".

Contradict

"the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect"
Headscratch

by eirebilly Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:35 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Holy crap, are you being serious Chunky? I hope you are wumming!

Of course he is wumming, he could'nt be serious...

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:36 pm

Well we'll find out when the report is published. That the IRB havent reacted to the comments yet, and the balance of probability ( why would they choose to make this up knowing theyd be caught out?), makes most sane people assume till we have any evidence to the contrary that the IRFU statement was based on fact and the incident was deemed a legal tackle.

Chunky, do you have any evidence that it wasnt? I must admit my first reaction was to assume theyd just upheld the yellow card, till I saw the statement from the irish. I cant see any reason to doubt its correct at this point.

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:36 pm

Yes, you do count as the rest of the world Chunky! You are SO right! No really, I'm sure all of the irish players, management, fans etc all care so much what some random on an internet forum thinks! Keep it up sir thumbsup

I'm expecting a petition next.

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:37 pm

geoff998rugby wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:

So what exactly are you complaining about again?

!

Mike Kearney deliberately misrepresenting the hearing findings to say "it wasn't even a penalty".

Going to be a great read when the transcript comes out. Really bad losers.

Lets take this slowly Chunky -

how does saying "it wasn't even a penalty".

Contradict

"the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect"

Have you got a link to where the citing panel said that Geoff?

cheers

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:37 pm

No, no, he really is, that's the best bit of it!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:39 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:

So what exactly are you complaining about again?

!

Mike Kearney deliberately misrepresenting the hearing findings to say "it wasn't even a penalty".

Going to be a great read when the transcript comes out. Really bad losers.

Lets take this slowly Chunky -

how does saying "it wasn't even a penalty".

Contradict

"the disciplinary panel itself felt that the decision to award a penalty was incorrect"

Have you got a link to where the citing panel said that Geoff?

cheers

Have you got any evidence that they didnt? The only evidence we have is that they did.....

by Chunky Norwich Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:40 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Well we'll find out when the report is published. That the IRB havent reacted to the comments yet, and the balance of probability ( why would they choose to make this up knowing theyd be caught out?), makes most sane people assume till we have any evidence to the contrary that the IRFU statement was based on fact and the incident was deemed a legal tackle.

Chunky, do you have any evidence that it wasnt? I must admit my first reaction was to assume theyd just upheld the yellow card, till I saw the statement from the irish. I cant see any reason to doubt its correct at this point.

Finally, a coherent post. Cheers PSW.

The answer is no. I have not. That's why i am looking forward to seeing the transcript. I'm an honest guy and will come on this thread and take my comments back - Once the transcript is published if it says "the panel didn't even think it was a penalty".

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:41 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Well we'll find out when the report is published. That the IRB havent reacted to the comments yet, and the balance of probability ( why would they choose to make this up knowing theyd be caught out?), makes most sane people assume till we have any evidence to the contrary that the IRFU statement was based on fact and the incident was deemed a legal tackle.

Chunky, do you have any evidence that it wasnt? I must admit my first reaction was to assume theyd just upheld the yellow card, till I saw the statement from the irish. I cant see any reason to doubt its correct at this point.

Finally, a coherent post. Cheers PSW.

The answer is no. I have not. That's why i am looking forward to seeing the transcript. I'm an honest guy and will come on this thread and take my comments back - Once the transcript is published if it says "the panel didn't even think it was a penalty".

Lets leave it there for now then.

by geoff998rugby Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:42 pm

The Irish official is quoting them - he would not be so stupid as to lie, as to do so would make him look foolish, when the report became public.

How do you know that Kearney deliberately misrepresented the hearing, something you have said repeatedly, when you haven't read the report ?

You can't have it both ways.

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