Lions XV

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:11 pm

Starting XV only. If the 1st test was tomorrow, and all are fit and well:

1. G Jenkins
2. M Rees
3. D Cole
4. R Gray
5. P O'Connell
6. S Ferris
7. S Warburton
8. S O'Brien

9. M Phillips
10. J Sexton
11. T Bowe
12. J Roberts
13. B O'Driscoll
14. G North
15. L Halfpenny

by 123456789 Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:56 pm

Rees out, Ford in
Rennie in, Warburton out
O'brien out for Denton
Bowe out for Visser
Tuilagi for O'Driscoll
Hogg for Halfpenny

by bluestonevedder Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:58 pm

Wow, the Irish guys must have put a hell of a performance in on the team bus back to the airport, given their representation in that team.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:59 pm

123456789 wrote:Rees out, Ford in
Rennie in, Warburton out
O'brien out for Denton
Bowe out for Visser
Tuilagi for O'Driscoll
Hogg for Halfpenny

Interesting. What parts of Hogg's international career do you think are better than Halfpenny's?

Similarly, Visser?

And what part of Ford's game is better than Matthew Rees'?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:00 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:Wow, the Irish guys must have put a hell of a performance in on the team bus back to the airport, given their representation in that team.

Your Lions XV pelase.

by bluestonevedder Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:01 pm

My main issue is that you're stating this team is deduced from the performances after the 2nd round of the 6N. Given that, it's quite hard to make a team consisting of Irish players, since they didn't play...

Are we coming up with a Lions XV based on performances from this weekend only? Or past laurels...?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:05 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:My main issue is that you're stating this team is deduced from the performances after the 2nd round of the 6N. Given that, it's quite hard to make a team consisting of Irish players, since they didn't play...

Are we coming up with a Lions XV based on performances from this weekend only? Or past laurels...?

Past laurels. I would have thought that was clear from the selection.

by Cardiff Taffy Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:07 pm

Far too early yet but tuppence worth would be:

1. G Jenkins
2. R Best
3. A Jones
4. R Gray
5. P O'Connell
6. D Lydiate
7. S Warburton
8. T Faletau

9. M Phillips
10. R Priestland
11. L Halfpenny
12. J Roberts
13. B O'Driscoll
14. G North
15. R Kearney

Yes I am very biased...

by geoff998rugby Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:34 pm

1. Jenkins/Healy
2. Best
3. Jones, Cole a decent understudy
4. O'Connell
5. Gray
6/7/8 - lot of candidates none of them English
9. no one has put their hand up yet
10. Likewise
11. Halfpenny
12. Roberts
13. O'Driscoll, if fit
14. North
15. Kearney, Hogg if he develops could challange

I am still waitying on a English performance that says you must pick me - haven't seen it yet.

by asoreleftshoulder Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:38 pm

Cardiff Taffy wrote:Far too early yet but tuppence worth would be:

1. G Jenkins
2. R Best
3. A Jones
4. R Gray
5. P O'Connell
6. D Lydiate
7. S Warburton
8. T Faletau

9. M Phillips
10. R Priestland
11. L Halfpenny
12. J Roberts
13. B O'Driscoll
14. G North
15. R Kearney

Yes I am very biased...

From an Irish perspective,Healy will challenge Jenkins it'll be close I wouldn't care either way both are class.

Ferris is a class above any other 6 out there imo,only injury will stop him starting,I'd also prefer Heaslip at 8 but it's a lot closer.

I think Sexton is a better 10 than Priestland but again not by much and whichever of them sorts out their placekicking will be the winner.

Agree with the wings but think Luke Fitzgerald will be pushing very hard for a spot,this season he's been playing at a level way above anything he's ever produced before.

I think Foden will push Kearney all the way,Foden is a better tackler but Kearney is better in the air everything else is close but I don't see Oz kicking too often so I think Fodens skill set might be more useful.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:43 pm

I have no idea why I picked Cole over Adam Jones. Perhaps the lack of English. Jones would definitely get the nod.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:45 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Agree with the wings but think Luke Fitzgerald will be pushing very hard for a spot,this season he's been playing at a level way above anything he's ever produced before.

How can you say that? He played well against a dreadfully poor Bath team.

When did he last play test rugby?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:48 pm

geoff998rugby wrote:
9. no one has put their hand up yet

Another baffling comment. Given the levels that Mike Phillips has consistently played at in the last 6 months or so.

by RuggerRadge2611 Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:01 pm

Phillips wasn't all that great yesterday, ponderous service and didn't make as much ground on the hoof as he usually does.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:07 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Phillips wasn't all that great yesterday, ponderous service and didn't make as much ground on the hoof as he usually does.

I'd agree with that. But this isn't a team of the weekend.

This is the Lions team if they were playing this week. Not sure how I can spell this out any clearer.

by asoreleftshoulder Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:10 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
How can you say that? He played well against a dreadfully poor Bath team.

When did he last play test rugby?

He hasn't played test rugby since before the world cup but would have been very close to playing against Wales if he hadn't injured his neck.

Yeah he played well against Bath and against every other team he's been up against this year.I don't expect anyone to believe it until they see him back playing for Ireland but his form for Leinster has been better than ever.I have always thought he was overrated as his scoring rate for a wing was far too low but now he's fully fit again and playing far better than ever before.It's just my opinion but I think he's finally going to live up the hype.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:13 pm

Fitzgerald is a solid player but there are quite a few wings ahead of him in the pecking order I think he's really going to have to have an exceptional year to get a Lions place. (North, Bowe, Visser would be up there if qualified, maybe Ashton if he stops being a knob and even Trimble and Earls are of slightly higher quality)

by thomh Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:15 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Phillips wasn't all that great yesterday, ponderous service and didn't make as much ground on the hoof as he usually does.

I'd agree with that. But this isn't a team of the weekend.

This is the Lions team if they were playing this week. Not sure how I can spell this out any clearer.

I don't really see the relevance of this week if you're allowed to pick injured players.

On a side note, Visser isn't even eligible yet, so couldn't be picked this week. My guess for how the Lions test team will turn out in 16 months time, however, is:

Healey
Best
Cole
Davies
Gray
Ferris
Warburton
Faletau

Phillips
Sexton
North
Roberts
Tuilagi
Bowe
Kearney/Foden

by asoreleftshoulder Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:22 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Fitzgerald is a solid player but there are quite a few wings ahead of him in the pecking order I think he's really going to have to have an exceptional year to get a Lions place. (North, Bowe, Visser would be up there if qualified, maybe Ashton if he stops being a knob and even Trimble and Earls are of slightly higher quality)

Well he made the last Lions tour while being imo a far poorer player than he is now,I agree he'll need to up his form but if he continues playing like he has this season I think that'll be enough.He's also got versatility as he's played well at fullback for Leinster (he was poor there for Ireland last year but again his form seems to have improved all round) and done okay on occasions in the centre.

I think Bowe and Ashton both need to find some form as well,I don't think Visser is that good but can't judge fully until he's played for Scotland.I think at the top of his game he's better than Trimble and just as good as Earls.(better defender but not as good on attack) Again he has to step up and prove it I'm just going on what I've seen of him this year.

by hodge Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:31 pm

English opinion on what i think the team will be if the tour side was selected now (bar #9)

1) Jenkins
2) Rees/Best/Ford (whichever)
3) Cole
4) Lawes
5) Gray
6) Ferris
7) Warburton/O'Brien
8) Faletau

9) Murray (if he continues to play the way he did in the first game)/Dickson as sub, although think Youngs will actually end up going
10) Sexton, Priestland sub
11) North
12) Roberts
13) Tuilagi (O'Driscoll though)
14) Bowe
15) Foden

likely 7 subs:

16) A.Jones
17) Ford/Best
18) O'Connell
19) O'Brien
20) Youngs
21) Hook
22) Ashton

by Feckless Rogue Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:33 pm

01. Healy
02. Best
03. A Jones
04. Gray
05. O'Connell
06. Ferris
07. Warburton
08. Faletau
09. Phillips
10. Sexton
11. North
12. Roberts
13. Tuilagi
14. Ashton
15. Foden

Number 8 is up for grabs between Heaslip, Faletau and maybe Denton if he keeps playing like that. O'Brien could be a shout too. But might be better as an impact sub for Ferris at 6.

Foden and Kearney are the best fullbacks in of the home nations. Foden would be more suited to playing Australia.

No scrum halves are setting the world on fire. None of the Irish are good enough. Youngs has talent. But it has to be Phillips at the moment for me.

North, Roberts and Tuilagi in the backs. Ouch. They'd have the Aussie's worried. Bu would we be better going for one big bruising center and one playmaker type?

Healy or Jenkins at loosehead. Both class. I went for Healy because I'm a biased Leinsterman.

Bowe and Ashton aren't worth spots on the plane on current form. But they both have class. I'd bring them both and start Ashton for his proven try scoring. I didn't consider Visser because he's never played a test match yet.

O'Connell and Gray would be a brilliant partnership. Both on top form. And their grunt would be more effective against the Aussie's than the more mobile Welsh duo from the RWC (AWJ & Charteris are still class tho).

It could be one of the strongest Lions squads ever. Pity O'Driscoll probably won't make it.

by killer938 Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:39 pm

I think Roberts showed in South Africa that he has the ability to make breaks and also cause them for other people, I think a combination of him and Tuilagi could be deadly, especially against Australia

by king_carlos Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:40 pm

Bit hard to pick on second round form as Ireland didn't play but here's my side if first test was tomorow.

1.Jenkins
2.Ford (really impressive yesterday - improving with every game!)
3.Jones (props pick themselves)
4.O'Connell (most likely captain for tour alongside Warburton)
5.Gray
6.Ferris (Lydiate very close behind either would do a great job)
7.Warburton
8.Faletau (edges Heaslip on form - Denton will be in contention for the squad if he keeps playing the same way however)

9.Phillips
10.Priestland

11.North
12.Roberts
13.O'Driscoll
14.Bowe
15.Halfpenny

Bench - Rees,Healy,Wyn Jones,Lydiate,Blair,Sexton,Earls

Going to be great squad if key players stay fit (touch wood)! Back row in particular is looking like it could have a stock of world class players there.

6.Ferris,Lydiate,O'Brien,Croft
7.Warburton,Rennie,Barclay (even David Wallace when fit!)
8.Faletau,Heaslip,Denton

Really looking forward to it Lions Tours are always a highlight of a year!!

by mystiroakey Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:41 pm

warburton didnt play chunky- not sure how he could be in your side

edit , actually plenty of your team didnt play.

maybe im being pedantic

by mystiroakey Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:45 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Phillips wasn't all that great yesterday, ponderous service and didn't make as much ground on the hoof as he usually does.

I'd agree with that. But this isn't a team of the weekend.

This is the Lions team if they were playing this week. Not sure how I can spell this out any clearer.

your problem is with the title chunky!!

by Feckless Rogue Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:48 pm

BBC website says the WRU will let Gatland coach the Lions is they want him. I'd say he'll probably get it. And rightly so. He's done a brilliant job with Wales.

I reckon he might choose POC as captain over Warburton to alleviate any fans concerns of Welsh bias. That's assuming he plans to start POC.

by RuggerRadge2611 Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:06 pm

Tough call for me this. I certainly hope that this could be the first time for a long time that Scotland has a bigger presence in the Squad.

For what it's worth my test team based on what I have seen so far in the 6N and performances over the last year.

1. Jenkins
2. Ford
3. Jones
4. Gray
5. O'Connell
6. Lydiate
7. Warburton
8. Denton

9. Phillips
10. Sexton
11. Halfpenny (Kicker)
12. Roberts
13. Davies
14. North
15. Foden

No matter what happens I reckon some fantastic players will be left behind in particular the backrow.

The following backrowers IMO are all in contention : Barclay, Brown, Lydiate, Warburton, Croft, Faletau, Denton, Rennie, O'Brian, Ferris, Heaslip, Robshaw, Wood.

Lets face it the competition for the Lions backrow is going to be savage. You could pick pretty much any 3 of those players and none would disgrace themselves.

by asoreleftshoulder Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:19 pm

[quote="RuggerRadge2611"
Lets face it the competition for the Lions backrow is going to be savage. You could pick pretty much any 3 of those players and none would disgrace themselves.[/quote]

This is imo going to be by far the strongets Lions squad since the game went professional,there are no weaknesses that I can see.

I know Oz are a good side but Ireland showed at the WC that they have some very definite weaknesses and can be stopped (with the caveat that Pocock and Moore weren't playing,they'll be a lot stronger with those two available).The Lions will be very disappointed if they don't win this series.

by R!skysports Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:35 pm

Why do people keep dismissing the Scottish pack, because our backs have been poor - 60% posession and territory, is down to the forwards - makes a mockery of the whole selection

If it is this 6 nations - Scottish players

Ford, has been immense with ball in hand over the 2 games
Denton one MOM and great second game
Rennie- think was actually my MOM against, but on a losing team - felt they had the upper hand on the Welsh back Row

At the moment, no Scottish backs and quite right - hopefully some of the young uns, can contiue to develop

by funnyExiledScot Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:44 pm

This is where I'd be were I picking the side to play on Saturday:

1.Jenkins 2.Ford 3.A Jones 4.Gray 5.POC 6.Ferris 7.Warburton 8.Falatau 9.Phillips 10.Priestland 11.Bowe 12.Roberts 13.Davies 14.North 15.Kearney

16.Healy 17.Best 18.AWJ 19.SOB 20.Blair 21.Sexton 22.Halfpenny

Dirt track:

1.Mullan 2.Rees 3.Cole 4.Charteris 5.Lawes 6.Lydiate 7.Rennie 8.Heaslip 9.Youngs 10.Hook 11.Ashton 12.Barritt 13.Tuilagi 14.Trimble 15.Hogg

by geoff998rugby Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:48 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:
9. no one has put their hand up yet

Another baffling comment. Given the levels that Mike Phillips has consistently played at in the last 6 months or so.

Sorry Philips is great when he is given time like Ireland gave.
He struggles when he is pressurized like Scotland did.

by Looseheaded Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:50 pm

My team for the 2013 tour would look somewhat like this.

1- Jenkins/Healy (depending on form, but I feel what Geth offers at the breakdown outdoes Healy's carrying ability)
2- Rees/Best/Ford. Would be happy with any of these three.
3- Adam Jones. Dan Cole as substitute. There really is nobody of his class in the B&I player pool.
4-POC. I'm hesitant here because we don't know if he's to retire, and with the form being shown by Charteris and AWJ's proven ability I couldn't be surprised to see either there.
5- Richie Gray.
6- Lydiate/SOB. I think both are better than Ferris, but wouldn't object to his inclusion.
7- Warburton. Probably captain, his work rate and danger at the breakdown is McCaw-esque.
8- Heaslip/Falatau. Currently between these two, with Denton looking threatening and Ben Morgan still unproven at international but a class player.

9- Phillips. He's a big match player, and could be very dangerous against the Aussies as a member of a big backline targeting the likes of Cooper. If we're looking for a fast expansive game then possibly Dickson or Murray.
10- Priestland or Sexton. Again it depends on the outside backs personnel, as Priestland brings the big ball carriers in more than Sexton simply because he has them, and with it looking like a Roberts/A.N.Other. centre pairing then this could be crucial.

12- Roberts. Ball carrying, defensive ability and his ability to draw defenses means I can;t really look past the Doctor.
13- BOD/JD2/Tuilagi. If BOD is still fit and firing then he gets the nod, followed by JD2 and finally Tuilagi, who needs to mature a bit before being thrown in. He also lacks the playmaking abilities of the other two.
11 and 14- North/Bowe/Wade/Visser/Cuthbert/Hogg?/Evans/Stoddart/Lamont. There are literally so many wingers to choose from and who look promising. Too tough to call but at this precise moment I'd go for North and Bowe.
15- Halfpenny/Kearny/Foden. Depends on what we need. Halfpenny's kicking range and cool head could be vital, whereas Kearny's got that fantastic strength under the high ball and kick and chase. My money's on Kearny, with Halfpenny possibly on the wing or bench.

Yeah, I'm biased.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:52 pm

Phillips had a pretty poor game against Scotland. I rate him highly but his passing was poor and he was slow at the ruck on several occassions.

I still think he's the best scrum half available to the Lions though. He's done it at the highest level and against the top sides. He's a big game player and even when he's off his game he's still a threat, and his physically gives Wales a real edge around the rucks.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:04 pm

geoff998rugby wrote:

Sorry Philips is great when he is given time like Ireland gave.
He struggles when he is pressurized like Scotland did.

He'll start all 3 tests if fit.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:06 pm

Looseheaded wrote:My team for the 2013 tour would look somewhat like this.

Your "team" has 25 players! More like a touring squad. Most of those players will tour though barring a sudden drastic loss of form.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:07 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:

Sorry Philips is great when he is given time like Ireland gave.
He struggles when he is pressurized like Scotland did.

He'll start all 3 tests if fit.

Chunky, isn't this a 'what if' theoretical game? So one opinion vs another? So who starts tests ni 2013 is irrelevant?

by Looseheaded Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:12 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Looseheaded wrote:My team for the 2013 tour would look somewhat like this.

Your "team" has 25 players! More like a touring squad. Most of those players will tour though barring a sudden drastic loss of form.

Well I obviously wasn't suggesting all those players were on the pitch at the same time, and was proposing the options in each position and going on to say my own personal choice, if you'd care to read what I wrote rather than trying to be pedantic and falling on your face.

by Knackeredknees Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:13 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Phillips wasn't all that great yesterday, ponderous service and didn't make as much ground on the hoof as he usually does.

I'd agree with that. But this isn't a team of the weekend.

This is the Lions team if they were playing this week. Not sure how I can spell this out any clearer.

your problem is with the title chunky!!

Right in that case if all were fit and well and playing i would have the 97 lions + Billy wizz and BOD

Well as this is a pointless as putting a "my world cup starting 15" who knows who will be fit and in form come the tour

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:13 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:

Sorry Philips is great when he is given time like Ireland gave.
He struggles when he is pressurized like Scotland did.

He'll start all 3 tests if fit.
Chunky, isn't this a 'what if' theoretical game? So one opinion vs another? So who starts tests ni 2013 is irrelevant?

ok. Point remains though. I do'nt see any other 9 close to him. Murray's the next best by some distance.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:15 pm

Knackeredknees wrote:

Right in that case if all were fit and well and playing i would have the 97 lions + Billy wizz and BOD

Well as this is a pointless as putting a "my world cup starting 15" who knows who will be fit and in form come the tour

Or you could just not contribute (unless you are being forced to at gunpoint, if that's the case I apologise) and let those who wish to have an adult conversation do so.

by adambarney Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:19 pm

jenkins
ford
cole
lawes
gray
obrien
warburton
falateau
phillips
preistland
roberts
tuilagi
north
halfpenny
foden

rees
corbiesro
oconnell
ferris
youngs
sexton
ashton

by majesticimperialman Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:20 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Starting XV only. If the 1st test was tomorrow, and all are fit and well:

1. G Jenkins
2. M Rees
3. D Cole
4. R Gray
5. P O'Connell
6. S Ferris
7. S Warburton
8. S O'Brien

9. M Phillips
10. J Sexton
11. T Bowe
12. J Roberts
13. B O'Driscoll
14. G North
15. L Halfpenny

How can you put G Jenkins and M Rees in the lions xv after 2 weeks, when neither of them, have played for the FULL 2 WEEKS. Certrainly M Rees hasnt. Headscratch

You have even put in ODriscol FFS, he hasnt played at all. Doh

by Knackeredknees Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:23 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Knackeredknees wrote:

Right in that case if all were fit and well and playing i would have the 97 lions + Billy wizz and BOD

Well as this is a pointless as putting a "my world cup starting 15" who knows who will be fit and in form come the tour

Or you could just not contribute (unless you are being forced to at gunpoint, if that's the case I apologise) and let those who wish to have an adult conversation do so.

Or you could look abit further than a one eyed wales side with a few Irish and thow in a token english and scot to stop it looking like the wum your trying.

The Pack will be made up of more Irish and Scottish than Welsh, i dont think any of the English player at the moment have the experiance (maybe corbs/cole)

Backs again will have more of a true lions feel well represented by Scottish English Welsh and Irish

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:24 pm

Lions Squad of 35

Props: Jenkins, Healy, Jones, Cole, Ross
Hookers: Best, Rees, Ford, Hartley
Locks: POC, Gray, Lawes, AWJ, Ryan
Backrow: Ferris, SOB, Waurburton, Heaslip, Denton, O'Mahony
Scrumhalves: Murray, Phillips, Dickson
Flyhalves: Sexton, Priestland, Jackson/Madigan
Centres: Roberts, Davies, Tuilagi, O'Driscoll
Back Three: Kearney, Visser, North, Halfpenny, Foden

Jenkins-Best-Jones
POC-Gray
Ferris-O'Brien-Waurburton
Murray-Sexton
Roberts-BOD
Visser-Halfpenny-North

by Knackeredknees Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:28 pm

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Lions Squad of 35

Props: Jenkins, Healy, Jones, Cole, Ross
Hookers: Best, Rees, Ford, Hartley
Locks: POC, Gray, Lawes, AWJ, Ryan
Backrow: Ferris, SOB, Waurburton, Heaslip, Denton, O'Mahony
Scrumhalves: Murray, Phillips, Dickson
Flyhalves: Sexton, Priestland, Jackson/Madigan
Centres: Roberts, Davies, Tuilagi, O'Driscoll
Back Three: Kearney, Visser, North, Halfpenny, Foden

Jenkins-Best-Jones
POC-Gray
Ferris-O'Brien-Waurburton
Murray-Sexton
Roberts-BOD
Visser-Halfpenny-North

Agree with the starting forwards (but shall we see how the Eng-Wal Games goes as Cole and Corbs will be pushing for a starting place)

Backs i would have
Murry - Sexton/Priestland
Roberts - Tuilagi
Hogg - Kearney - North

by adambarney Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:30 pm

how can you have jackson/madigan over flood/ farrell and visser over ashton it like me saying george ford for sexton wade for north.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:30 pm

Knackeredknees wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Knackeredknees wrote:

Right in that case if all were fit and well and playing i would have the 97 lions + Billy wizz and BOD

Well as this is a pointless as putting a "my world cup starting 15" who knows who will be fit and in form come the tour

Or you could just not contribute (unless you are being forced to at gunpoint, if that's the case I apologise) and let those who wish to have an adult conversation do so.

Or you could look abit further than a one eyed wales side with a few Irish and thow in a token english and scot to stop it looking like the wum your trying.

The Pack will be made up of more Irish and Scottish than Welsh, i dont think any of the English player at the moment have the experiance (maybe corbs/cole)

Backs again will have more of a true lions feel well represented by Scottish English Welsh and Irish

He he. You thought it was a wind up.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:36 pm

adambarney wrote:how can you have jackson/madigan over flood/ farrell and visser over ashton it like me saying george ford for sexton wade for north.

I know it seems a bit mental but I truely believe these guys could explode onto the world stage in the next year. I think as soon as Visser is Scottish qualified (not sure when) he is going to show people he is one of the best wingers in the Northern Hemisphere that isn't French. I really rate the guy he is something else.

Don't rate Farrell on what I've seen from him so far for club and country but if we were playing S.Africa I'd bring him due to his kicking+physicallity but for Aus I beleive more subtly is required.

I think Madigan and Jackson are really going to come good in the next 12-15 months. Been watching both for quite a while and think they are the modern style flyhalf that is required to play against open flowing teams.

I have been very impressed with both but don't think either will make the 22.

by Knackeredknees Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:41 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Knackeredknees wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Knackeredknees wrote:

Right in that case if all were fit and well and playing i would have the 97 lions + Billy wizz and BOD

Well as this is a pointless as putting a "my world cup starting 15" who knows who will be fit and in form come the tour

Or you could just not contribute (unless you are being forced to at gunpoint, if that's the case I apologise) and let those who wish to have an adult conversation do so.

Or you could look abit further than a one eyed wales side with a few Irish and thow in a token english and scot to stop it looking like the wum your trying.

The Pack will be made up of more Irish and Scottish than Welsh, i dont think any of the English player at the moment have the experiance (maybe corbs/cole)

Backs again will have more of a true lions feel well represented by Scottish English Welsh and Irish

He he. You thought it was a wind up.

Well let just say you have "form" in that area

by adambarney Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:41 pm

george ford better then them both, wade better then visser all day long plus he top tryscorer in england at 20 years old with a team 2nd from bottom.

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