The Official 2013 Wales v England bickering thread.

[HERSH]

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2013 bickering thread

OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty.

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads.

Let it commence

[munkian]

GSTHQ is a funeral march compared to FOS - it's easily the 'worst' anthem in the Six Nations. Ireland's call is a close second. Sounds like an unused Eurovision entry

[Effervescing Elephant]

GSTQ(K) was the first ever National Anthem written in 1745(?) before national anthems properly existed. All other anthems have been adopted because of it. Doesn't change the fact that it's truly, truly dreadful though!

[mystiroakey]

I just want to point out that GSTQ is the DE FACTO british national anthem. Wether anyone likes it or not!

"England (as distinct from the United Kingdom, comprising England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) has no official national anthem of its own; "God Save the Queen" is treated as the English national anthem when England is represented at sporting events (though there are some exceptions to this rule). There is a movement to establish an English national anthem, with Blake and Parry's "Jerusalem" and Elgar's "Land of Hope and Glory" among the top contenders. Scotland and Wales have their own anthems for political and national events and for use at international football, rugby union and other sports in which those nations compete independently.[15] On all occasions Wales' national anthem is "Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau" (Land of my Fathers). Scotland has no single anthem; "Scotland the Brave" was traditionally used until the 1990s, when "Flower of Scotland" was adopted. In Northern Ireland, "God Save the Queen" is still used as the official anthem."

So can people stop saying GSTQ IS the english national anthem- we dont have one at present!

[HERSH]

You can indeed be very Welsh and very British. I do, however, think Hersh is telling a porky pie about being at the Millennium Stadium the other day. Why would he have gone if he doesn't like football?

I seem to have stirred up a hornets nest.

I went because a couple of my nephews wanted to go, it was fun having to slum it in the normal seats for a change instead of one of the boxes.

Why would I lie about some Welsh people singing GSTQ, I have nothing to gain from that

IMO I think it is mainly Welsh rugby fans that have a problem with singing GSTQ anyway.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Oakey - your right it is the British national anthem, which I guess does lead a bit to the English/British confusion, which then leads to other countries getting English/British confused (stereotypical Union Jack wearing loudmouth, fish & chips eating, holiday makers).

[gowales]

We all have chavs though

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Why would I lie about some Welsh people singing GSTQ, I have nothing to gain from that

Except that it led neatly to the suggestion that from now on we should sing 'God Save the Queen' rather than 'Hen Wlad fy Nhadau'.

Forgive my cynicism.

[mystiroakey]

Fish and chips is a good dish.

What is the welsh national dish.

is it just roast lamb gravy chips and peas?

or is it some lamb and leek stew

[ScarletSpiderman]

I think the Welsh national dish (or the one that is claimed is) Cawl - sort of thick brothy soup/stew.

Although ain't it something like Chicken Korma that is the most eaten dish through out England, Scotland and Wales?

[mystiroakey]

Yeah we love a curry.

[munkian]

Fish and chips isn't the English National Dish though. It's made and eaten allover Britain.

[mystiroakey]

So its the british nationl dish then?

lol

[mystiroakey]

What about northern pie eating loons that bowl about in string vests and boxer shorts when it snows!

there are as many of them in wales , scotland and england.

Whos national loons are they?

[munkian]

The North's. Winter is coming

[HERSH]

Why would I lie about some Welsh people singing GSTQ, I have nothing to gain from that

Except that it led neatly to the suggestion that from now on we should sing 'God Save the Queen' rather than 'Hen Wlad fy Nhadau'.

Forgive my cynicism.

I think you'll find I said maybe they should sing both!

They like a good sing song

[Jimpy]

Yeah we love a curry.

Actually, I think curry is Britain's official national dish now. Its certainly mine anyway.

[gowales]

Kebab's probably up there...

[Effervescing Elephant]

Hummus in London.

[mystiroakey]

Sushi in london carpe!

[TrailApe]

What about northern pie eating loons that bowl about in string vests and boxer shorts when it snows!

Nowt wrong with being a northern pie eating loon, however a mincing southern nouvelle cuisine eater who stays home if its a heavy frost and wears a duffel coat (with imitation horn toggles, not the proper wooden toggles) in mid summer is to be pitied and shunned.

[mystiroakey]

Ahhha mr Geordie- you are one of them then. We have big coats because they keep us warm mate..

[mystiroakey]

by the way i just had a lovely chicken and sundried tomato with salad on granary, some northern branagans(they must northern surely) and a diet coke for lunch. Lovely

[Effervescing Elephant]

Sushi in london carpe!

Sorry Mysti, we're a bit behind the times down in dear ol'Devon!

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I had salf beef sandwiches for lunch. Just salt beef, none of your rabbit food.

[mystiroakey]

Errmm if your not gonna have salad and gerkhin with a salt beef- you need it on a bagel with mustard

[ScarletSpiderman]

What the hell is salt beef? Like Corned Beef?

[Jimpy]

What about northern pie eating loons that bowl about in string vests and boxer shorts when it snows!

Nowt wrong with being a northern pie eating loon, however a mincing southern nouvelle cuisine eater who stays home if its a heavy frost and wears a duffel coat (with imitation horn toggles, not the proper wooden toggles) in mid summer is to be pitied and shunned.

Hey, 2 Christmas's ago, we went to watch Falcons play Leeds. We fought through snow and bank holiday traffic to get there from Durham, and when we did, Falcons had called the match off because they said the pitch was unsafe... Rubbish! The thaw was on. Talk about soft..

[mystiroakey]

What the hell is salt beef? Like Corned Beef?

no its a cheap cut of beef- like a brisket- but heavily salted and seasoned it is then bolied, or cooked in a brine. - Good salt beef just falls apart, or if it has been pressed heavily it can be cut like pastrami.

corned beef is proccesed beef

[Effervescing Elephant]

Good salt beef is lush!

[mystiroakey]

Yeah its beautifull. The jewish answer to fine dinning. There is a 24 hr place in brick lane that is awesome- only 2 quid a pop yet they load it with salt beef

[Jimpy]

What the hell is salt beef? Like Corned Beef?

no its a cheap cut of beef- like a brisket- but heavily salted and seasoned it is then bolied, or cooked in a brine. - Good salt beef just falls apart, or if it has been pressed heavily it can be cut like pastrami.

corned beef is proccesed beef

Actually, no it isn't, its salt-cured beef. Only the filthy garbage they can and call corned beef is processed (and ironically, bears hardly any resembalnce at all to real corned beef). I was put off the slop for life when in the Gulf War in '91. We got issued the stuff in 10 Man rat packs. Its the only place I know where you can open the tin and pour out the contents - there's so much fat in a tin that its like what comes out your backside after a hot curry. Absolutely revolting, I dunno how people can eat it (or the company gets away with such a frightening misnomer).

[mystiroakey]

Is it really- I must try the good stuff then..

actually i just looked it up-the real corned beef is actually salt beef.. I didnt know that.. But the normal corned beef we buy in the supermarkets is what i think of as corned beef.

"In the United Kingdom, corned beef refers to the variety made from finely minced corned beef in a small amount of gelatin (bully beef; from the French bouilli "boiled"), and is sold in distinctive oblong-shaped can"

"The U.S. version of corned beef is known in the U.K. as salt beef, and is available in cities with large Jewish communities"

[Effervescing Elephant]

Love corned beef as well (the manky UK style stuff, in fact the more hooves and bumholes in it the better!) makes a great 5 minute pasta sauce!

[mystiroakey]

i Like corned beef an all. It isnt actually that bad at all- its just finely chopped meat- no different from mince meat as long as you buy a half decent brand.

Its not like spam- omg remember that horrid stuff..

[Effervescing Elephant]

Bought some a couple of months ago on a nostalgia trip. It's still in the cupboard and will probably remain there long past the apocalypse!

[anotherworldofpain]

Is it really- I must try the good stuff then..

actually i just looked it up-the real corned beef is actually salt beef.. I didnt know that.. But the normal corned beef we buy in the supermarkets is what i think of as corned beef.

"In the United Kingdom, corned beef refers to the variety made from finely minced corned beef in a small amount of gelatin (bully beef; from the French bouilli "boiled"), and is sold in distinctive oblong-shaped can"

"The U.S. version of corned beef is known in the U.K. as salt beef, and is available in cities with large Jewish communities"

Geunine Salt Beef is expensive and incredibly delicious. Corned Beef, eek, remind me of being stuck in a storm in the bush with only ancient tinned supplies for a week while we waited for the road to be cleared. Second only in making a small space smaller by flatulence to beans and fried onions.

[mystiroakey]

AWOP genuine salt beef is not expensive at all. You will not find that in mayfair however!!. And if you want it done perfectly- cook it yourself- brisket is very cheap

[anotherworldofpain]

The salt beef sandwiches in Selfridges are quite expensive.

[mystiroakey]

they are yes. but not even close to being as good as some of the ones from the jewish parts of town which are less than half the price.

Salt beef is from a cheap cut of meat. But what do you expect from selfridges(although i do admit to shopping there)

[mystiroakey]

Awop mate if you really are a londoner these days- then get out and about- london is so diverse- its not all about harrods, selfridges and house of frazer

[anotherworldofpain]

GSTQ(K) was the first ever National Anthem written in 1745(?) before national anthems properly existed. All other anthems have been adopted because of it. Doesn't change the fact that it's truly, truly dreadful though!

Not sure this is entirely true. The inception of national anthems before sport began when the all blacks performed a haka to challenge wales, who responded with I think land of our fathers. It then became a thing to perform a national song prior to sporting contests.

[mystiroakey]

Well thats a surprise awop knows a thing or two about the haka..

[anotherworldofpain]

anyone who knows anything about sport knows that.

[Morgannwg]

AWOP knows a lot about rugby in NZ but not outside of NZ.... Hmmm...

[mckay1402]

yep 1905. it was the first anthem to be sung at a sporting event. doesn't make it the first national anthem though...it is however the best

[mystiroakey]

well done weslhies for singing back at that odd dance

[mowgli]

Is it really- I must try the good stuff then..

actually i just looked it up-the real corned beef is actually salt beef.. I didnt know that.. But the normal corned beef we buy in the supermarkets is what i think of as corned beef.

"In the United Kingdom, corned beef refers to the variety made from finely minced corned beef in a small amount of gelatin (bully beef; from the French bouilli "boiled"), and is sold in distinctive oblong-shaped can"

"The U.S. version of corned beef is known in the U.K. as salt beef, and is available in cities with large Jewish communities"

tinned corned beef is mystery meat

it's a mystery what meat, if any, is in it

it's a mystery why anyone would buy it

and it's a mystery why anyone who bought it would eat it

unless they are at war

which is what, as 'bully beef' it was originally tinned for




reading this back i have decided it should be the new English national anthem sung to GSTQ

[sugarNspikes]

If you're feeling rather hungry
There's a product you'll remember
Eat it hot or cold on Sunday
Or you can put it in a blender
Corned beef
With chips or with salad It's corned beef
Even Buckingham Palace eats corned beef
Hey! Why don't you try corned beef hash?

[mystiroakey]

Now this is whats starting to confuse me- Corned beef harsh is an american dish- Do they eat this with what we know as salt beef or what they know as bully beef!

[mowgli]

Now this is whats starting to confuse me- Corned beef harsh is an american dish- Do they eat this with what we know as salt beef or what they know as bully beef!

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