The Official 2013 Wales v England bickering thread.

[HERSH]

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2013 bickering thread

OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty.

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads.

Let it commence

[mystiroakey]

Whats the drug of choice?

Bannana skins, henna, nutmeg, ketamine, crack?

[ScarletSpiderman]

Port - They (I believe) can trace the Y chromosone, and trace your male family line to a point. But generally you just need to look at peoples surnames to see where their family line origninated.

Not true, well from a Welsh perspecitve, as the Welsh didn't have surnames. So a lot were given and then passed on through the generations. At the time of the Norman conquest/breeding period, William/Robert was the most popular name so a lot of families took these names throughout England and Wales.

You get can Welsh surnames though, they are usually the fathers names anglecised.

I have a semi-anglisied (i think) welsh surname, well west carmarthenshire/permbrokshire surname, so I am happy.

What I was getting at is that the Y chromosone (which links father to son, like the surname) can be traces, and you can trace the majority of surnames, like job based, Mc/O'/Ap/Van Der etc, to a specific area and in somecases time.

[mystiroakey]

My Surname comes very much from England. I think i am 100000000% English.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Whats the drug of choice?

Bannana skins, henna, nutmeg, ketamine, crack?

All of them at the same time!

[mystiroakey]

Nothing wrong with a high quality cocktail. I sugest they also lick the belly of a phschoactive toad

[Luckless Pedestrian]

You'd have to get them weaned off the ayahuasca first.

[gregortree]

"The French do not perceive they would receive a warm welcome if they visited the UK," the report revealed.

But 203 other nations disagreed last week

[mystiroakey]

Arr the Amazonian Shaman drug of choice that cures all

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Here's something you might not know: the roof of the Olympic aquatic centre was made in Newport, by a company called Rowecord whose factory I pass on my way to work.

[Morgannwg]

I've found the people in the USA are most welcoming and hospitable people. People from Cardiff the least hospitable...

[mystiroakey]

Nice..

I did my bit at 2012 an all.. Not much but a bit, Most of the time it was more hassle than it was worth , It became so security conscious at the end, waiting around for pases and stuff!

[mystiroakey]

Just another Big city Morgs.

Most welcoming peops I know are anyone from britain/ireland past watford- exculding many from edingurgh- who can be abit odd, but many are ok.

I love going north on work. We have such a crack some nights

[ScarletSpiderman]

I've found the people in the USA are most welcoming and hospitable people. People from Cardiff the least hospitable...

PEople fromt eh USA, individually, are hard to dislike. I had one come to the theme park i worked in and he was so amazed by how wonderful the countryside was etc etc. They just seem to be happy.

[Pete C (Kiwireddevil)]

I like them Luckless - But i go to france all the time. They are very arrogant everywhere- but i dont see that as being potentially rude. The point is don t ever listen to an article from french data as to are the english arrogant and unwelcoming. It really is seen the other way around.

New york is rude, london is rude, Paris is rude- Basically Big cities are 'rude'. That is nothing to do with the way the population acts though , just the way big cities can seem to. The french on the other hand are renowned for being arrogant

The French girl I sit next to at work (she's originally from near Toulouse) insists she's never going to live in Paris again as the locals are so much ruder than Londoners.


As far as the whole ethnic background thing goes, I have English, Scottish, Irish, French, Welsh, Scandinavian and Maori ancestry (plus probably a few others that I don't know of). So I'm just going to stick with "Kiwi" and be done with it - my great great great great great grandfather was the first European to be buried in the South Island.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

That's quite something, Pete!

[mystiroakey]

Nice Pete- I have alot of history with NZ as well, I have antique books with what they did. My ancestors took foxes over there to hunt because you didnt have any native. Kinda wrong in a way...... IT wasnt me!!- I have a pet fox and i feed him every night- he comes to my window..

[gregortree]

I confess I do avoid the world city of London these days, excepting family visits. It is a country apart.
But as originally a Londoner (my sister was a volunteer gamesmaker) I feel proud of the hospitalty extended to over 200 nations and the positive responses from those visiting people in the last 2 weeks. Even the French enjoyed it.

[Morgannwg]

I've found the people in the USA are most welcoming and hospitable people. People from Cardiff the least hospitable...

PEople fromt eh USA, individually, are hard to dislike. I had one come to the theme park i worked in and he was so amazed by how wonderful the countryside was etc etc. They just seem to be happy.

They all are. They have a great lifestyle and a fair bit of disposbale income. It's no wonder why they are happy.

[ScarletSpiderman]

I've found the people in the USA are most welcoming and hospitable people. People from Cardiff the least hospitable...

PEople fromt eh USA, individually, are hard to dislike. I had one come to the theme park i worked in and he was so amazed by how wonderful the countryside was etc etc. They just seem to be happy.

They all are. They have a great lifestyle and a fair bit of disposbale income. It's no wonder why they are happy.

Just thinking about that, is it because they are all fat. Fat people are meant to be jolly

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Americans aren't all fat, nor are they all happy.

[Pete C (Kiwireddevil)]

Nice Pete- I have alot of history with NZ as well, I have antique books with what they did. My ancestors took foxes over there to hunt because you didnt have any native. Kinda wrong in a way...... IT wasnt me!!- I have a pet fox and i feed him every night- he comes to my window..

There's no foxes in NZ, they're a problem in Aus though. Rabbits, ferrets and stoats were all introduced - the rabbits for meat/fur, the ferrets/stoats for fur and to hunt down the rabbits.

The ferrets and stoats quickly discovered native birds were easier prey, while the rabbits bred like err rabbits, and can turn a high country paddock barren in no time flat

My closest UK-born ancestor was the son of the Hillingdon police constable in the 1880s, - I live a mile from where he was born! And the building next door to work was the offices for the New Zealand Company in the 1841 - it even has an NZ Historic Places Trust plaque on it, so some of my ancestors walked past my work on there way from swapping the life of a Hampshire shepherd for that of an NZ sheep farmer*.

*Yes I am descended from 7 generations of sheep farmer. Cliche boxed ticked!

[mystiroakey]

Its all a perception isnt it. Go to cuba and everyone on the outside is as happy as larry. On the inside they are clearly not..

USA have this whole almost fake persona. I am sure many are very genuine , but its the way they can come across, and that is not related to standard of living

[Morgannwg]

They're big because they love steaks and they pump steroids into all their cows.

[mystiroakey]

Nice Pete- I have alot of history with NZ as well, I have antique books with what they did. My ancestors took foxes over there to hunt because you didnt have any native. Kinda wrong in a way...... IT wasnt me!!- I have a pet fox and i feed him every night- he comes to my window..

There's no foxes in NZ, they're a problem in Aus though. Rabbits, ferrets and stoats were all introduced - the rabbits for meat/fur, the ferrets/stoats for fur and to hunt down the rabbits.

The ferrets and stoats quickly discovered native birds were easier prey, while the rabbits bred like err rabbits, and can turn a high country paddock barren in no time flat

My closest UK-born ancestor was the son of the Hillingdon police constable in the 1880s, - I live a mile from where he was born! And the building next door to work was the offices for the New Zealand Company in the 1841 - it even has an NZ Historic Places Trust plaque on it, so some of my ancestors walked past my work on there way from swapping the life of a Hampshire shepherd for that of an NZ sheep farmer*.

*Yes I am descended from 7 generations of sheep farmer. Cliche boxed ticked!

yeah i know but there was foxes at one time- they just killed them all off with there dogs and they didnt take in the long run..They introduced them in the mid 19th century.

We in South london suburbs have more parrots than pigeons these days. Noisy fellas they are.. Its amazing - when i was 14 there was one small area in beckenham that had a couple of breeding parrots. Now in 20 years the population has gone through the roof

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Are those the green ones? My first introduction to them was when I woke up with a hangover in Barnes and a load of them were squawking outside!

[mystiroakey]

Yeah green ones.Noisey beasts

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I'm sure they're charming enough when you're not hungover!

[HERSH]

Not long to go now.

[Pal Joey]

So peaceful and civilised in here. What's up?

[Guest]

Whats the drug of choice?

Bannana skins, henna, nutmeg, ketamine, crack?

All of them at the same time!

Probably just coming down

[anotherworldofpain]

Emack says a grandslam doesn't count if you've only beaten 4 other teams. It has to be 5.

So does this render 90% of Anglo-Welsh bickering irrelevant?

[HERSH]

How far do people think Wales might drop in the irb rankings if they fail to turn up against Samoa?

I can't see NZ or Aus losing to Wales.

0-4 could be a possibility

[Duty281]

How far do people think Wales might drop in the irb rankings if they fail to turn up against Samoa?

I can't see NZ or Aus losing to Wales.

0-4 could be a possibility

I would absolutely love that. No more than the arrogant Welsh deserve, but I'd settle for 1-3.

[LondonTiger]

Emack says a grandslam doesn't count if you've only beaten 4 other teams. It has to be 5.

So does this render 90% of Anglo-Welsh bickering irrelevant?

No, but it does then mean Scotland have never won a Grand Slam.

[offload]

How far do people think Wales might drop in the irb rankings if they fail to turn up against Samoa?

I can't see NZ or Aus losing to Wales.

0-4 could be a possibility

I would absolutely love that. No more than the arrogant Welsh deserve, but I'd settle for 1-3.

Schadenfreude must surely be the lowest of human traits often masking huge low esteem. Shame.

[Guest]

Why are the mods indulging HERSH allowing this thread,

[HERSH]

As it takes most of the cowpat away from the other threads.

[gregortree]

Hersh planting his daffodils early for next spring.

[Pal Joey]

Like he said view. A little bit of bickering never hurt anyone.

As soon as every, single last person in England and Wales get off each other's throats - we might be able to remove this thread.

[HERSH]

The thread was started on the 26th Feb 2012 so the mods have been aware of it for some time viewtothegym!

[Pete C (Kiwireddevil)]

Like he said view. A little bit of bickering never hurt anyone.

As soon as every, single last person in England and Wales get off each other's throats - we might be able to remove this thread.

Though in fairness the heat death of the universe will probably come sooner

[anotherworldofpain]

Exactly. The Wales v England bickering thread is great. It's like watching two fat kids fight over a cold pie.

[Pal Joey]

Or the next Ice Age.

Is it true that you can hear all the complaining (and answering back) being shouted across the Severn on a calm, cold winter night?

[Guest]

Why would I bicker with HESHE anyway?
Everyone knows you can never get the last word in when bickering with a teenager.
HESHE Wales beat England the last outing , that's all that matters.

[Pal Joey]

Makes our Trans-Tasman bickering look tame by comparison.

All we ever hear is the popping of champagne corks and occasionally some half-hearted grumbling.

[AlastairW]

Or the next Ice Age.

Is it true that you can hear all the complaining (and answering back) being shouted across the Severn on a calm, cold winter night?

A complete untruth!!





...Both sides just get to their nearest pub and bicker amongst themselves instead.

[HERSH]

Viewtothemalechangingroom thats more like it.

But I believe overall we lead 56-54

[Pete C (Kiwireddevil)]

Makes our Trans-Tasman bickering look tame by comparison.

All we ever hear is the popping of champagne corks and occasionally some half-hearted grumbling.

True. We had to rely on an ex-pat English journo to start the latest round (for the multitudes who don't read the NZ Herald or the Sydney Morning Herald Mark Reason asked the Wallabies "are you England in disguise?" http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/the-wallabies-are-england-in-disguise-there-is-no-bigger-insult-than-that-20121114-29bb0.html)

[Pal Joey]

Not a bad whinge by Australian standards.

Some truth in there but they shouldn't have to be reminded.

[HERSH]

How much are those pink cowboy hats?

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