POOR SPORTSMANSHIP

First topic message reminder :

In light of all the celebrations,we are over looking something very disturbing thats rotting our game from within
If Roger had lost it would certainly have been a serious topic so I see no reason why it shouldn't be highlighted regardless of the out come

On ESPN Pam Shriver and Cahill were pretty horrified by Nadals behaviour.. Shriver at one point said when Nadal was grabbing at his leg-- "seems like Nadal always finds aches and pains when he's losing" and the another announcer said "the last thing anyone - esp Federer fans- want to hear is Nadal blame some injury for another loss"
What they found really disturbing was how Nadal called the umpire to check the court on match point

How desperate are Nadals tactics these days? When Roger is serving for the match Nadal runs off court for a bathroom break.He may have been quick cause he had to be but it was a pure mind tactic to upset Roger serving rhythm and it worked as Roger started having problems finding his 1st serve
Then on match point Nadal calls to stop the match!
I know it was starting to rain slightly but I doubt he would have called to stop the match if it was him who was serving at match point .Not only that,its widely regarded as an unwritten rule that when such a instance arises,the player down usually waits for the umpire to call it,they don't decide to stop playing themselves

Roger may have ignored all this but it was once again a pretty poor display of sportsmanship coming from the Spaniard

"Why oh why didnt he "pull a Nishikori"? Or a toilet break, wash his hands, even go for a quick off-court shower?
What was Nadal thinking...how could he have missed the strategic MTO opportunity!!! "

Obviously he has read some of the comments on v2 and decided "Enough is Enough"

Why do you bother Lydian? - masochistic tendencies or what

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray came through 10 minutes less than Nadal and including an MTO.

Are you sure Nadal did not take an MTO or go pay his gas bill during the match?

Nadal DID take an MTO in his match against Tsonga. I saw the complete match.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray came through 10 minutes less than Nadal and including an MTO.

Are you sure Nadal did not take an MTO or go pay his gas bill during the match?

Nadal DID take an MTO in his match against Tsonga. I saw the complete match.

you're joking! what for?

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray came through 10 minutes less than Nadal and including an MTO.

Are you sure Nadal did not take an MTO or go pay his gas bill during the match?

Nadal DID take an MTO in his match against Tsonga. I saw the complete match.

You stayed up and watched a Nadal match?

Now that is devotion!!

What was the MTO for?

noleisthebest wrote:

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray came through 10 minutes less than Nadal and including an MTO.

Are you sure Nadal did not take an MTO or go pay his gas bill during the match?

Nadal DID take an MTO in his match against Tsonga. I saw the complete match.

you're joking! what for?

I don't know for what. I just saw trainer rubbing on his left knee on a change-over and umpire calling "1 min". I missed a the events before it. Didn't see when the trainer came out ( a little break in the very morning hours in my time zone ). So technically I did not see the complete match

legendkillarV2 wrote:

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Murray came through 10 minutes less than Nadal and including an MTO.

Are you sure Nadal did not take an MTO or go pay his gas bill during the match?

Nadal DID take an MTO in his match against Tsonga. I saw the complete match.

You stayed up and watched a Nadal match?

Now that is devotion!!

What was the MTO for?

US time zone don't match well with mine. But I like watching tennis in general. So set the alarm for it.

I watched Murray's match too. . He too took an MTO.

lydian wrote:2hours 49min

Have to say I was surprised... at 4-4 in the final set just before Tsonga was about to serve, clearly Nadal needed to unsettle the Frenchmen to get the break and leave him serving for the match.
Why oh why didnt he "pull a Nishikori"? Or a toilet break, wash his hands, even go for a quick off-court shower?
What was Nadal thinking...how could he have missed the strategic MTO opportunity!!!
He's losing his edge, thats all I can say.

Instead what did he do - he had to rely on his talent of shotmaking instead....fancy that?
As one match report commented: "BREAK! Wow! What a shot by Nadal! It's one of those trademark whipped forehands down the line that seems to bend more than a Beckham free-kick in the air to get around Tsonga's outstretched arm and racquet! The Spaniard continues the momentum created by that shot and when Tsonga double faults, he has a break point! Nadal controls the point from start to finish... Tsonga hits one long and Nadal will now serve for the match for a second time!"

So he did do a "Nikishouri" after all....yet won. What an amazing player this Nadal and astonishing what a 1mn massage can do nowadays.

Tenez wrote:

lydian wrote:2hours 49min

Have to say I was surprised... at 4-4 in the final set just before Tsonga was about to serve, clearly Nadal needed to unsettle the Frenchmen to get the break and leave him serving for the match.
Why oh why didnt he "pull a Nishikori"? Or a toilet break, wash his hands, even go for a quick off-court shower?
What was Nadal thinking...how could he have missed the strategic MTO opportunity!!!
He's losing his edge, thats all I can say.

Instead what did he do - he had to rely on his talent of shotmaking instead....fancy that?
As one match report commented: "BREAK! Wow! What a shot by Nadal! It's one of those trademark whipped forehands down the line that seems to bend more than a Beckham free-kick in the air to get around Tsonga's outstretched arm and racquet! The Spaniard continues the momentum created by that shot and when Tsonga double faults, he has a break point! Nadal controls the point from start to finish... Tsonga hits one long and Nadal will now serve for the match for a second time!"

So he did do a "Nikishouri" after all....yet won. What an amazing player this Nadal and astonishing what a 1mn massage can do nowadays.

someone needs to do a poll for Nadal Murray match: who takes MTO first and at what stage of the match.
Should be fun to watch....the battle of The Knee vs. The Clutching of the Thigh.

Both have been flaky this week.

I see Murray as a much fairer player. He has a pretty good history despite being injured quite a bit.

Tenez wrote:I see Murray as a much fairer player. He has a pretty good history despite being injured quite a bit.

I agree, I believe Murray when he talks about injuries.

It was at 5-4 strangely enough. Even when Murray got back on court, he looked ropey and uncomfortable. I mean hell he was broken early in the 2nd. I think had Tipsy not been so generous, might have been a different result.

At first I dismissed the first set as poor play, but in the close ups you could tell Murray looked seriously unwell.

I dont call a MTO at 2-2 "strategic". I'm talking at the crunch end of sets as the other guy knows he has a key serve to hold coming up. Nadal has been having knee trouble on and off, and it also flared up in January, and now since IW. Its something he has to manage. But can you blame the guy for being worried about his knees after the trouble he's had with them and fears for his mobility post-tennis career. I can imagine when he feels a niggle or pain in it mid-match that it makes him panic a little and wants the trainer to look at it. But the guy will get no slack cut on here of course. This excerpt from a January interview shows his concern:

Nadal showed no signs of the injury as he brushed aside America's Alex Kuznetsov 6-4, 6-1, 6-1 to reach the second round, but said afterwards he was hit by the worst knee pain he had ever experienced on Sunday.

The Spanish world No 2 was only able to take to the court for his early evening match after intensive treatment including physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory drugs.

"I had a fantastic week of practice with nothing of pain, not one bad feeling on the knee and not one place on my body. So I was really, really happy with everything," said Nadal, who played with the knee heavily strapped.

"But yesterday afternoon the most strange thing ever to happen to me. I was sitting on a chair in the hotel. I felt like a crack on the knee. It happens a lot of time with articulation, movement.

"I stand up. I felt the knee was a little bit strange. I moved the leg like this two times to try to find the feeling," he added, gesturing.

"After the second time, the knee stays with an unbelievable pain completely straight. I really couldn't move the knee like this. I have no movement on the knee," Nadal said.

The 2009 champion said he then spent a "hard afternoon" doing an ultrasound at Melbourne Park and an MRI scan at a hospital, but the tests came up clear.

"Seriously, yesterday during the evening I wasn't 100 per cent sure I would have the chance to play, because with the movement of that knee I felt that I will not be able to play.

"I did a lot of treatment. The MRI was positive. Nothing wrong shows the MRI. So that's always a lot of calm. But still the knee, you know, with the pain."

That to me seems like a genuine and reasonable explanation.

So why will his integrity be called into question? Does it require an audience there to make sure it took place and was legit?

legendkillarV2 wrote:That to me seems like a genuine and reasonable explanation.

So why will his integrity be called into question? Does it require an audience there to make sure it took place and was legit?

Honestly? After a gazillion threads and posts on the subject, you don't know why people question his integrity?

reckoner wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:That to me seems like a genuine and reasonable explanation.

So why will his integrity be called into question? Does it require an audience there to make sure it took place and was legit?

Honestly? After a gazillion threads and posts on the subject, you don't know why people question his integrity?

The guy plays harder than anyone on the tour.

If he had a career without MRI Scans, Physio or anything like that then I would be the first to say that is un-natural and that the question about 'doping' would have to be raised.

The pressure that Nadal puts on his body is far greater than Federer's. He is paying the price with his knees.

I am amazed that people are silly enough to actually try and discount any injury from the game of tennis!

legendkillarV2 wrote:The guy plays harder than anyone on the tour.

If he had a career without MRI Scans, Physio or anything like that then I would be the first to say that is un-natural and that the question about 'doping' would have to be raised.

The pressure that Nadal puts on his body is far greater than Federer's. He is paying the price with his knees.

I am amazed that people are silly enough to actually try and discount any injury from the game of tennis!

But that's not what people are doing...

Agassi as it was well documented played with Sciatica for years. Yet he prevailed in some of the most gruelling 5 setters ever.

So what do we say now?

Because he is not Spanish we forgive and believe him?

How did he play?

I tell you how.....Painkillers...and guess what?? They are legal!!

reckoner wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:The guy plays harder than anyone on the tour.

If he had a career without MRI Scans, Physio or anything like that then I would be the first to say that is un-natural and that the question about 'doping' would have to be raised.

The pressure that Nadal puts on his body is far greater than Federer's. He is paying the price with his knees.

I am amazed that people are silly enough to actually try and discount any injury from the game of tennis!

But that's not what people are doing...

So the fact he has regular MRI's or pains makes him a cheat?

Who gives a crap what the others are doing. They don't run or play as hard as Nadal!!!

The time between points is something the ATP/ITF/Umpires/Other players/Nadal himself need to address.

If Nadal is not punished for such acts as 'Watergate' and that Umpires and players are not willing to highlight this, what can be done?

Nadal is not going to change overnight.

Nadal isn't going to change full stop. He'll continue bending / breaking rules as far as he can.

If you don't believe he is doing that despite some pretty clear patterns of behaviour then we'll just have to disagree on this one. OK?

Indeed LK...
And of course its just Nadal's fault because he's not talented like the others and needs all that oxygen restoring time to allow his knees to move between serves. Most people on here will either think he's making it up (strategic MTOs remember) or the guy had it coming. Either way he loses.

The use of the word "sportsmanship" is an affront to women across the world.

lydian wrote:Indeed LK...
And of course its just Nadal's fault because he's not talented like the others and needs all that oxygen restoring time to allow his knees to move between serves. Most people on here will either think he's making it up (strategic MTOs remember) or the guy had it coming. Either way he loses.

yeah yeah, let's feel sorry for poor little Rafito, lol

I have said so many times he breaks the 20 second rule and watergate was disgraceful, but like I said if the tour or the ITF or the players or anyone affiliated with Nadal or is close to him in anyway are not going to press him on it why would he change?

Yes it is poor he disregards the rules and does some very un-sportsman like actions, but the fact remains all the time he is not pressured on these matters nothing will get done and nothing will change.

How can umpires or players in the game or even organisations allow the game to be regularly 'tarnished'?

Take Fish v Ebdon at Indian Wells. Was Ebdon in his right to challenge a point were Mardy had very much won and shouted come on before the ball landed? Murray does this a lot and goes un-punished.

Ps Is tennis a sport? I thought it was big money business.

whatever reckoner...pity isnt needed, its just a fact that no matter waht the guy does, its twisted into ulterior motives on here. He cant win. Would be just nice to see a single player not routinely denigrated day in, day out.

legendkillarV2 wrote:Agassi as it was well documented played with Sciatica for years. Yet he prevailed in some of the most gruelling 5 setters ever.

So what do we say now?

Because he is not Spanish we forgive and believe him?

How did he play?

I tell you how.....Painkillers...and guess what?? They are legal!!

And do you remember Agassi constantly asking for MTOs? I don't.

Tenez wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Agassi as it was well documented played with Sciatica for years. Yet he prevailed in some of the most gruelling 5 setters ever.

So what do we say now?

Because he is not Spanish we forgive and believe him?

How did he play?

I tell you how.....Painkillers...and guess what?? They are legal!!

And do you remember Agassi constantly asking for MTOs? I don't.

I remember him peeing a lot though.

lydian wrote:I dont call a MTO at 2-2 "strategic". I'm talking at the crunch end of sets as the other guy knows he has a key serve to hold coming up. Nadal has been having knee trouble on and off, and it also flared up in January, and now since IW. Its something he has to manage. But can you blame the guy for being worried about his knees after the trouble he's had with them and fears for his mobility post-tennis career. I can imagine when he feels a niggle or pain in it mid-match that it makes him panic a little and wants the trainer to look at it. But the guy will get no slack cut on here of course. This excerpt from a January interview shows his concern:

Nadal showed no signs of the injury as he brushed aside America's Alex Kuznetsov 6-4, 6-1, 6-1 to reach the second round, but said afterwards he was hit by the worst knee pain he had ever experienced on Sunday.

The Spanish world No 2 was only able to take to the court for his early evening match after intensive treatment including physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory drugs.

"I had a fantastic week of practice with nothing of pain, not one bad feeling on the knee and not one place on my body. So I was really, really happy with everything," said Nadal, who played with the knee heavily strapped.

"But yesterday afternoon the most strange thing ever to happen to me. I was sitting on a chair in the hotel. I felt like a crack on the knee. It happens a lot of time with articulation, movement.

"I stand up. I felt the knee was a little bit strange. I moved the leg like this two times to try to find the feeling," he added, gesturing.

"After the second time, the knee stays with an unbelievable pain completely straight. I really couldn't move the knee like this. I have no movement on the knee," Nadal said.

The 2009 champion said he then spent a "hard afternoon" doing an ultrasound at Melbourne Park and an MRI scan at a hospital, but the tests came up clear.

"Seriously, yesterday during the evening I wasn't 100 per cent sure I would have the chance to play, because with the movement of that knee I felt that I will not be able to play.

"I did a lot of treatment. The MRI was positive. Nothing wrong shows the MRI. So that's always a lot of calm. But still the knee, you know, with the pain."

LMFAO!!!
Once again the MRI scan finds nothing wrong his knee that exploded by sitting in a chair!!
I wonder why he suddenly had another joint injury which an MRI scan couldnt diagnose as any kind of injury

Veejay wrote:

lydian wrote:I dont call a MTO at 2-2 "strategic". I'm talking at the crunch end of sets as the other guy knows he has a key serve to hold coming up. Nadal has been having knee trouble on and off, and it also flared up in January, and now since IW. Its something he has to manage. But can you blame the guy for being worried about his knees after the trouble he's had with them and fears for his mobility post-tennis career. I can imagine when he feels a niggle or pain in it mid-match that it makes him panic a little and wants the trainer to look at it. But the guy will get no slack cut on here of course. This excerpt from a January interview shows his concern:

Nadal showed no signs of the injury as he brushed aside America's Alex Kuznetsov 6-4, 6-1, 6-1 to reach the second round, but said afterwards he was hit by the worst knee pain he had ever experienced on Sunday.

The Spanish world No 2 was only able to take to the court for his early evening match after intensive treatment including physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory drugs.

"I had a fantastic week of practice with nothing of pain, not one bad feeling on the knee and not one place on my body. So I was really, really happy with everything," said Nadal, who played with the knee heavily strapped.

"But yesterday afternoon the most strange thing ever to happen to me. I was sitting on a chair in the hotel. I felt like a crack on the knee. It happens a lot of time with articulation, movement.

"I stand up. I felt the knee was a little bit strange. I moved the leg like this two times to try to find the feeling," he added, gesturing.

"After the second time, the knee stays with an unbelievable pain completely straight. I really couldn't move the knee like this. I have no movement on the knee," Nadal said.

The 2009 champion said he then spent a "hard afternoon" doing an ultrasound at Melbourne Park and an MRI scan at a hospital, but the tests came up clear.

"Seriously, yesterday during the evening I wasn't 100 per cent sure I would have the chance to play, because with the movement of that knee I felt that I will not be able to play.

"I did a lot of treatment. The MRI was positive. Nothing wrong shows the MRI. So that's always a lot of calm. But still the knee, you know, with the pain."

LMFAO!!!
Once again the MRI scan finds nothing wrong his knee that exploded by sitting in a chair!!
I wonder why he suddenly had another joint injury which an MRI scan couldnt diagnose as any kind of injury

So him not having a injury means it is not legit for an MTO?

Quick send Murray for a scan as he must have an injury to ensure the 'validility' of his MTO!

You only have to google 'MRI scan knee negative' to find lots of info about knee pain that doesn't show up on an MRI scan.
Perhaps I should LMFAO? That could be diagnosed visually, I'm sure.

JuliusHMarx wrote:You only have to google 'MRI scan knee negative' to find lots of info about knee pain that doesn't show up on an MRI scan.
Perhaps I should LMFAO? That could be diagnosed visually, I'm sure.

Yes... but can you google knee pain that can be looked at by a physio for two minutes to then leave the player sprinting at full speed with no discomfort?

Seemingly career threatening injuries that spontaneously disappear?

The physique of a body builder on an athlete that doesn't lift weights?

Executing every tactic from "Winning Ugly" and then claiming to be a good sport?

Seriously, saying that there is nothing to see here, move along now is getting irritating.

Enough is enough!

reckoner wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:You only have to google 'MRI scan knee negative' to find lots of info about knee pain that doesn't show up on an MRI scan.
Perhaps I should LMFAO? That could be diagnosed visually, I'm sure.

Yes... but can you google knee pain that can be looked at by a physio for two minutes to then leave the player sprinting at full speed with no discomfort?

Seemingly career threatening injuries that spontaneously disappear?

The physique of a body builder on an athlete that doesn't lift weights?

Executing every tactic from "Winning Ugly" and then claiming to be a good sport?

Seriously, saying that there is nothing to see here, move along now is getting irritating.

Enough is enough!

I see, so if I refute one example, I'm therefore refuting every example? Putting words into other people's mouths is getting irritating.

Enough is enough!

[quote="JuliusHMarx"]

reckoner wrote:

I see, so if I refute one example, I'm therefore refuting every example? Putting words into other people's mouths is getting irritating.

Enough is enough!

I wasn't saying that you were refuting every example. Neither was I trying to put words in your mouth.

If it came over that way it's possibly because you were misinterpreting my deep, deep humility and by the way have I told you about my incipent OCD?

Enough is enough, already!

"The physique of a body builder on an athlete that doesn't lift weights?"

reckoner, have you actually seen a bodybuilder....have you seen Nadal without a shirt on...compare and contrast. Djokovic probably has bigger pecs than Nadal! Ok, Nadal has bigger, arms, legs...but to call him a bodybuilder is more "Nadal hyperbole".

Veejay...you need to learn some basic biology. A MRI only shows so much...pain can for example be caused by inflammation in ways a MRI wont show, or nerve damage, or lots of other reasons. For example, a consultant orthopod will say to his patient "look we dont know what your knee actually looks like until we get in there, and all the tests in the world dont tell us what the situation actually is".

lydian wrote:"
Veejay...you need to learn some basic biology. A MRI only shows so much...pain can for example be caused by inflammation in ways a MRI wont show, or nerve damage, or lots of other reasons. For example, a consultant orthopod will say to his patient "look we dont know what your knee actually looks like until we get in there, and all the tests in the world dont tell us what the situation actually is".

Yes right. Everything in the world is possible. The only thing impossible is Nadal's faking injuries.

You have NO proof he is faking injury.

You too have NO proof he is not faking injuries. Do you??

The only thing we both have are the circumstantial evidences, the law of probabilities. What is the likely hood of him faking the injuries? Look at his 'timely MTO', look at how he plays before and after the MTO. Look how some fellow players complain about his time wasting and using it to his advantage as a recovery routine. Now that proof is in abundance certainly.

I presume him innocent until guilty, you see it the other way.
The other stuff isnt proof...its circumstantial...at best.

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Veejay wrote:

lydian wrote:I dont call a MTO at 2-2 "strategic". I'm talking at the crunch end of sets as the other guy knows he has a key serve to hold coming up. Nadal has been having knee trouble on and off, and it also flared up in January, and now since IW. Its something he has to manage. But can you blame the guy for being worried about his knees after the trouble he's had with them and fears for his mobility post-tennis career. I can imagine when he feels a niggle or pain in it mid-match that it makes him panic a little and wants the trainer to look at it. But the guy will get no slack cut on here of course. This excerpt from a January interview shows his concern:

Nadal showed no signs of the injury as he brushed aside America's Alex Kuznetsov 6-4, 6-1, 6-1 to reach the second round, but said afterwards he was hit by the worst knee pain he had ever experienced on Sunday.

The Spanish world No 2 was only able to take to the court for his early evening match after intensive treatment including physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory drugs.

"I had a fantastic week of practice with nothing of pain, not one bad feeling on the knee and not one place on my body. So I was really, really happy with everything," said Nadal, who played with the knee heavily strapped.

"But yesterday afternoon the most strange thing ever to happen to me. I was sitting on a chair in the hotel. I felt like a crack on the knee. It happens a lot of time with articulation, movement.

"I stand up. I felt the knee was a little bit strange. I moved the leg like this two times to try to find the feeling," he added, gesturing.

"After the second time, the knee stays with an unbelievable pain completely straight. I really couldn't move the knee like this. I have no movement on the knee," Nadal said.

The 2009 champion said he then spent a "hard afternoon" doing an ultrasound at Melbourne Park and an MRI scan at a hospital, but the tests came up clear.

"Seriously, yesterday during the evening I wasn't 100 per cent sure I would have the chance to play, because with the movement of that knee I felt that I will not be able to play.

"I did a lot of treatment. The MRI was positive. Nothing wrong shows the MRI. So that's always a lot of calm. But still the knee, you know, with the pain."

LMFAO!!!
Once again the MRI scan finds nothing wrong his knee that exploded by sitting in a chair!!
I wonder why he suddenly had another joint injury which an MRI scan couldnt diagnose as any kind of injury

So him not having a injury means it is not legit for an MTO?

Quick send Murray for a scan as he must have an injury to ensure the 'validility' of his MTO!

I recall the MRI scan after the MTO against Del Potro also found nothing wrong with Nadals foot,yet he apparently needed a very strong anaesthetic in the following match to numb the pain
If he needed such a strong anaesthetic to numb the pain something would have shown on the MRI scan

Considering Nadal called several MTO in Doha for "a flu" when the trainers kept telling him theres nothing can do for "a flu" I guess you don't have to be injured or have an injury to call a MTO
And then of course all the other times he calls MTO when he doesn't look remotely injured,yet is able to run around on the so called injury,going on the win the match and then the injury is nowhere to be seen or heard of in the following match,while Nadal somehow goes on to make the final or wins the tournament
When other players are injured i.e Del Potro who was sidelined for an entire season,they are out on injury,but Nadal "bravely" fights through the pain all while risking not only his career but millions in prize money and endorsement and manages to beat other players who are 100% fit while he is injured which also sets up a possible excuse for any failure

Veejay wrote:If he needed such a strong anaesthetic to numb the pain something would have shown on the MRI scan

Sorry, I lost interest after this further inaccurate medical statement.
For example, patients can suffer years of debilitating T5-6 thoracic back pain...and what does the MRI show? Nothing.

As Redgrave said about rowing after his gold medal...if someone sees me on this thread again they have permission to shoot me.

lydian wrote:"The physique of a body builder on an athlete that doesn't lift weights?"

reckoner, have you actually seen a bodybuilder....have you seen Nadal without a shirt on...compare and contrast. Djokovic probably has bigger pecs than Nadal! Ok, Nadal has bigger, arms, legs...but to call him a bodybuilder is more "Nadal hyperbole".

Veejay...you need to learn some basic biology. A MRI only shows so much...pain can for example be caused by inflammation in ways a MRI wont show, or nerve damage, or lots of other reasons. For example, a consultant orthopod will say to his patient "look we dont know what your knee actually looks like until we get in there, and all the tests in the world dont tell us what the situation actually is".

Actually no its you who needs to learn some basic biology..could you explain to me how a MRI scan diagnosed a left strained hamstring injury and as abductor longus injury...?
Amazing how every other time Nadal has an injury the MRI scan finds nothing wrong with him but yet strong prescription drugs is needed to numb the pain
I don't for a minute buy any player numbing the pain,and then playing on an injury.Do you have any idea how dangerous that is? What if he hurts himself further,he wouldn't feel anything,he could cause permanent damage and not know he should stop playing cause he wouldn't feel a thing,but yet Nadal not only risks his career but millions in prize money and endorsements taking such risks,when he withdrew from the same tournament 2 season prior saying he would only ever defend his title if he was 100%,but here he is playing on an injury but numbing the pain.Why didn't he numb the pain and defend his title in 09? He didn't look injured there either when he seemed fit enough to play those exhibition matches,but the truth was he only withdrew AFTER the draw came out and saw a possible 2nd round match with a player he just lost to in straight sets,which once against leads you to question if he was even injured to begin with.He never looked injured losing to Sloderling,or Hewitt the previous round at RG,but he blamed the loss on an injury and instead of just withdrawing from Wimbledon,he first waited for the draw to see what his chances were.If you're injured you're injured,you withdraw,you don't with wait to see what your chances are,that indicates that he was considering to compete which means he was healthy enough to play .

lydian wrote:

Veejay wrote:If he needed such a strong anaesthetic to numb the pain something would have shown on the MRI scan

Sorry, I lost interest after this further inaccurate medical statement.
For example, patients can suffer years of debilitating T5-6 thoracic back pain...and what does the MRI show? Nothing.

As Redgrave said about rowing after his gold medal...if someone sees me on this thread again they have permission to shoot me.

You're grasping at straws here...

But thats been diagnosed and the condition is known,you don't need an MRI scan once you have a diagnosis
What would the point of having an MRI scan be when you know someone suffers from T5-6 thoracic back pain?
Why would you have one when you know what the diagnosis is?
If MRI scans don't ever find anything wrong with Nadal why dos he has them in the first place?
Its a bit convenient that they never find anything wrong with someone who is injured at every single tournament throughout the season.You calculate maybe 10 MTO throughout a season and out of 10 MRI scans,not a single one find something wrong with that Nadal? What are the chances of that ever happening? Maybe they don't find anything wrong with Nadal because there isn't anything wrong with him to begin with..he is probably just some hypochondriac always feeling sorry for himself
Im also waiting to hear from you how one of Nadals MRI scans diagnosed a left strained hamstring as a right abductor longus injury,which went back to being a left strained hamstring a few weeks later

Agassi used to have painkillers to numb the pain in his back. So did Henman.
I await the 'Ah, but that was different..." response.

JuliusHMarx wrote:Agassi used to have painkillers to numb the pain in his back. So did Henman.
I await the 'Ah, but that was different..." response.

so did actually I . But that's over now. Enough is enough!

JuliusHMarx wrote:Agassi used to have painkillers to numb the pain in his back. So did Henman.
I await the 'Ah, but that was different..." response.

Every player has nagging aches and pains,Im talking about an anaesthetic here not Ibuprofen

noleisthebest wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Agassi used to have painkillers to numb the pain in his back. So did Henman.
I await the 'Ah, but that was different..." response.

so did actually I . But that's over now. Enough is enough!

that cursed song has been stuck in my head!!

Then I guess you're not aware of, say, Wayne Arthurs or Andy Murray playing with local anathestics?

JuliusHMarx wrote:Then I guess you're not aware of, say, Wayne Arthurs or Andy Murray playing with local anathestics?

perhaps this is not as noteworthy as they are more sportsmanlike?