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In light of all the celebrations,we are over looking something very disturbing thats rotting our game from within
If Roger had lost it would certainly have been a serious topic so I see no reason why it shouldn't be highlighted regardless of the out come

On ESPN Pam Shriver and Cahill were pretty horrified by Nadals behaviour.. Shriver at one point said when Nadal was grabbing at his leg-- "seems like Nadal always finds aches and pains when he's losing" and the another announcer said "the last thing anyone - esp Federer fans- want to hear is Nadal blame some injury for another loss"
What they found really disturbing was how Nadal called the umpire to check the court on match point

How desperate are Nadals tactics these days? When Roger is serving for the match Nadal runs off court for a bathroom break.He may have been quick cause he had to be but it was a pure mind tactic to upset Roger serving rhythm and it worked as Roger started having problems finding his 1st serve
Then on match point Nadal calls to stop the match!
I know it was starting to rain slightly but I doubt he would have called to stop the match if it was him who was serving at match point .Not only that,its widely regarded as an unwritten rule that when such a instance arises,the player down usually waits for the umpire to call it,they don't decide to stop playing themselves

Roger may have ignored all this but it was once again a pretty poor display of sportsmanship coming from the Spaniard

JuliusHMarx wrote:You only have to google 'MRI scan knee negative' to find lots of info about knee pain that doesn't show up on an MRI scan.
Perhaps I should LMFAO? That could be diagnosed visually, I'm sure.

So why is he having MRI scans if they don't ever diagnose anything?
Why not simply just give him his anaesthetic regardless?
Certain medical studies have shown that those PRP treatments Nadal gets is nothing more then saline injection ( salt water) yet it somehow helps cures Nadals knees,why doesn't he simply inject salt walter into his foot instead of those anaesthetics
Amazing how those knee injuries and injuries that need MTO never prevents him from winning
Why do the players he faced claim they don't believe he was injured when he takes the MTO
Fish claimed Nadal never looked injured to him
Pechenzer claimed Nadal never looked injured
The Del Potro camp accused Nadal of poor sportsmanship and faking the injury to cool Del Potro
Safin who was commenting for a Russian spots channel claimed he didn't think Nadal was injured at all in his match against Ferrer in '11 AO
Is that what what you mean/want to direct your LMFAO at?

Veejay wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:You only have to google 'MRI scan knee negative' to find lots of info about knee pain that doesn't show up on an MRI scan.
Perhaps I should LMFAO? That could be diagnosed visually, I'm sure.

So why is he having MRI scans if they don't ever diagnose anything?
Why not simply just give him his anaesthetic regardless?
Certain medical studies have shown that those PRP treatments Nadal gets is nothing more then saline injection ( salt water) yet it somehow helps cures Nadals knees,why doesn't he simply inject salt walter into his foot instead of those anaesthetics
Amazing how those knee injuries and injuries that need MTO never prevents him from winning
Why do the players he faced claim they don't believe he was injured when he takes the MTO
Fish claimed Nadal never looked injured to him
Pechenzer claimed Nadal never looked injured
The Del Potro camp accused Nadal of poor sportsmanship and faking the injury to cool Del Potro
Safin who was commenting for a Russian spots channel claimed he didn't think Nadal was injured at all in his match against Ferrer in '11 AO
Is that what what you mean/want to direct your LMFAO at?

Ha those hacks, what do they know about tennis!

Enough is enough!

JuliusHMarx wrote:Then I guess you're not aware of, say, Wayne Arthurs or Andy Murray playing with local anathestics?

I am aware if that but neither of those players claim to be numbing career threatening injuries...
Besides you previously mentioned Agassi,not Murray,why did you change your story?

reckoner wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:You only have to google 'MRI scan knee negative' to find lots of info about knee pain that doesn't show up on an MRI scan.
Perhaps I should LMFAO? That could be diagnosed visually, I'm sure.

Yes... but can you google knee pain that can be looked at by a physio for two minutes to then leave the player sprinting at full speed with no discomfort?

Seemingly career threatening injuries that spontaneously disappear?

The physique of a body builder on an athlete that doesn't lift weights?

Executing every tactic from "Winning Ugly" and then claiming to be a good sport?

Seriously, saying that there is nothing to see here, move along now is getting irritating.

Enough is enough!

I agree enough is enough!

Veejay wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Then I guess you're not aware of, say, Wayne Arthurs or Andy Murray playing with local anathestics?

I am aware if that but neither of those players claim to be numbing career threatening injuries...
Besides you previously mentioned Agassi,not Murray,why did you change your story?

I assumed you weren't counting cortisone injections.

At what point did Nadal mention numbing injuries that he considered career-threatening? Or was it other people who used that phrase?

Veejay wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Veejay wrote:

lydian wrote:I dont call a MTO at 2-2 "strategic". I'm talking at the crunch end of sets as the other guy knows he has a key serve to hold coming up. Nadal has been having knee trouble on and off, and it also flared up in January, and now since IW. Its something he has to manage. But can you blame the guy for being worried about his knees after the trouble he's had with them and fears for his mobility post-tennis career. I can imagine when he feels a niggle or pain in it mid-match that it makes him panic a little and wants the trainer to look at it. But the guy will get no slack cut on here of course. This excerpt from a January interview shows his concern:

Nadal showed no signs of the injury as he brushed aside America's Alex Kuznetsov 6-4, 6-1, 6-1 to reach the second round, but said afterwards he was hit by the worst knee pain he had ever experienced on Sunday.

The Spanish world No 2 was only able to take to the court for his early evening match after intensive treatment including physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory drugs.

"I had a fantastic week of practice with nothing of pain, not one bad feeling on the knee and not one place on my body. So I was really, really happy with everything," said Nadal, who played with the knee heavily strapped.

"But yesterday afternoon the most strange thing ever to happen to me. I was sitting on a chair in the hotel. I felt like a crack on the knee. It happens a lot of time with articulation, movement.

"I stand up. I felt the knee was a little bit strange. I moved the leg like this two times to try to find the feeling," he added, gesturing.

"After the second time, the knee stays with an unbelievable pain completely straight. I really couldn't move the knee like this. I have no movement on the knee," Nadal said.

The 2009 champion said he then spent a "hard afternoon" doing an ultrasound at Melbourne Park and an MRI scan at a hospital, but the tests came up clear.

"Seriously, yesterday during the evening I wasn't 100 per cent sure I would have the chance to play, because with the movement of that knee I felt that I will not be able to play.

"I did a lot of treatment. The MRI was positive. Nothing wrong shows the MRI. So that's always a lot of calm. But still the knee, you know, with the pain."

LMFAO!!!
Once again the MRI scan finds nothing wrong his knee that exploded by sitting in a chair!!
I wonder why he suddenly had another joint injury which an MRI scan couldnt diagnose as any kind of injury

So him not having a injury means it is not legit for an MTO?

Quick send Murray for a scan as he must have an injury to ensure the 'validility' of his MTO!

I recall the MRI scan after the MTO against Del Potro also found nothing wrong with Nadals foot,yet he apparently needed a very strong anaesthetic in the following match to numb the pain
If he needed such a strong anaesthetic to numb the pain something would have shown on the MRI scan

Considering Nadal called several MTO in Doha for "a flu" when the trainers kept telling him theres nothing can do for "a flu" I guess you don't have to be injured or have an injury to call a MTO
And then of course all the other times he calls MTO when he doesn't look remotely injured,yet is able to run around on the so called injury,going on the win the match and then the injury is nowhere to be seen or heard of in the following match,while Nadal somehow goes on to make the final or wins the tournament
When other players are injured i.e Del Potro who was sidelined for an entire season,they are out on injury,but Nadal "bravely" fights through the pain all while risking not only his career but millions in prize money and endorsement and manages to beat other players who are 100% fit while he is injured which also sets up a possible excuse for any failure

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

If you have a diagnosis, it doesn't prevent you from having an MRI!!!

So if I had cancer I wouldn't need an MRI then???

Good lord!

A friend of mine who suffered with his knee was diagnosised by his GP as arthritis. He was granted an MRI by the doctor as my friend wanted a second opinion. Surprise they found cartilidge damage and he underwent ultrasound treatment.

It annoys me when people think they understand the 'healthcare' set up. I have worked in a hospital for 12 years and shake my head at some of the crap posted by people who think they know all about how these procedures work!

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Veejay wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Veejay wrote:

lydian wrote:I dont call a MTO at 2-2 "strategic". I'm talking at the crunch end of sets as the other guy knows he has a key serve to hold coming up. Nadal has been having knee trouble on and off, and it also flared up in January, and now since IW. Its something he has to manage. But can you blame the guy for being worried about his knees after the trouble he's had with them and fears for his mobility post-tennis career. I can imagine when he feels a niggle or pain in it mid-match that it makes him panic a little and wants the trainer to look at it. But the guy will get no slack cut on here of course. This excerpt from a January interview shows his concern:

Nadal showed no signs of the injury as he brushed aside America's Alex Kuznetsov 6-4, 6-1, 6-1 to reach the second round, but said afterwards he was hit by the worst knee pain he had ever experienced on Sunday.

The Spanish world No 2 was only able to take to the court for his early evening match after intensive treatment including physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory drugs.

"I had a fantastic week of practice with nothing of pain, not one bad feeling on the knee and not one place on my body. So I was really, really happy with everything," said Nadal, who played with the knee heavily strapped.

"But yesterday afternoon the most strange thing ever to happen to me. I was sitting on a chair in the hotel. I felt like a crack on the knee. It happens a lot of time with articulation, movement.

"I stand up. I felt the knee was a little bit strange. I moved the leg like this two times to try to find the feeling," he added, gesturing.

"After the second time, the knee stays with an unbelievable pain completely straight. I really couldn't move the knee like this. I have no movement on the knee," Nadal said.

The 2009 champion said he then spent a "hard afternoon" doing an ultrasound at Melbourne Park and an MRI scan at a hospital, but the tests came up clear.

"Seriously, yesterday during the evening I wasn't 100 per cent sure I would have the chance to play, because with the movement of that knee I felt that I will not be able to play.

"I did a lot of treatment. The MRI was positive. Nothing wrong shows the MRI. So that's always a lot of calm. But still the knee, you know, with the pain."

LMFAO!!!
Once again the MRI scan finds nothing wrong his knee that exploded by sitting in a chair!!
I wonder why he suddenly had another joint injury which an MRI scan couldnt diagnose as any kind of injury

So him not having a injury means it is not legit for an MTO?

Quick send Murray for a scan as he must have an injury to ensure the 'validility' of his MTO!

I recall the MRI scan after the MTO against Del Potro also found nothing wrong with Nadals foot,yet he apparently needed a very strong anaesthetic in the following match to numb the pain
If he needed such a strong anaesthetic to numb the pain something would have shown on the MRI scan

Considering Nadal called several MTO in Doha for "a flu" when the trainers kept telling him theres nothing can do for "a flu" I guess you don't have to be injured or have an injury to call a MTO
And then of course all the other times he calls MTO when he doesn't look remotely injured,yet is able to run around on the so called injury,going on the win the match and then the injury is nowhere to be seen or heard of in the following match,while Nadal somehow goes on to make the final or wins the tournament
When other players are injured i.e Del Potro who was sidelined for an entire season,they are out on injury,but Nadal "bravely" fights through the pain all while risking not only his career but millions in prize money and endorsement and manages to beat other players who are 100% fit while he is injured which also sets up a possible excuse for any failure

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

If you have a diagnosis, it doesn't prevent you from having an MRI!!!

So if I had cancer I wouldn't need an MRI then???

Good lord!

A friend of mine who suffered with his knee was diagnosised by his GP as arthritis. He was granted an MRI by the doctor as my friend wanted a second opinion. Surprise they found cartilidge damage and he underwent ultrasound treatment.

It annoys me when people think they understand the 'healthcare' set up. I have worked in a hospital for 12 years and shake my head at some of the crap posted by people who think they know all about how these procedures work!

I am impressed with your defense of Rafa LK. You are defending like a relegation team being reduced to ten men in a match it can ill-afford to lose

But seriously, it is difficult to defend Rafa's antics at times, especially the convenient medical timeouts that he takes and his miraculous recovery thereafter (this is really the issue that makes Rafa look bad).

The unfortunate thing is that he is a talented enough player where he does not have to resort to these medical timeouts.

kemet wrote:
The unfortunate thing is that he is a talented enough player where he does not have to resort to these medical timeouts.

Frankly, he's always been equipped with "tools" to compensate for his relative lack of skill.

kemet wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Veejay wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Veejay wrote:

lydian wrote:I dont call a MTO at 2-2 "strategic". I'm talking at the crunch end of sets as the other guy knows he has a key serve to hold coming up. Nadal has been having knee trouble on and off, and it also flared up in January, and now since IW. Its something he has to manage. But can you blame the guy for being worried about his knees after the trouble he's had with them and fears for his mobility post-tennis career. I can imagine when he feels a niggle or pain in it mid-match that it makes him panic a little and wants the trainer to look at it. But the guy will get no slack cut on here of course. This excerpt from a January interview shows his concern:

Nadal showed no signs of the injury as he brushed aside America's Alex Kuznetsov 6-4, 6-1, 6-1 to reach the second round, but said afterwards he was hit by the worst knee pain he had ever experienced on Sunday.

The Spanish world No 2 was only able to take to the court for his early evening match after intensive treatment including physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory drugs.

"I had a fantastic week of practice with nothing of pain, not one bad feeling on the knee and not one place on my body. So I was really, really happy with everything," said Nadal, who played with the knee heavily strapped.

"But yesterday afternoon the most strange thing ever to happen to me. I was sitting on a chair in the hotel. I felt like a crack on the knee. It happens a lot of time with articulation, movement.

"I stand up. I felt the knee was a little bit strange. I moved the leg like this two times to try to find the feeling," he added, gesturing.

"After the second time, the knee stays with an unbelievable pain completely straight. I really couldn't move the knee like this. I have no movement on the knee," Nadal said.

The 2009 champion said he then spent a "hard afternoon" doing an ultrasound at Melbourne Park and an MRI scan at a hospital, but the tests came up clear.

"Seriously, yesterday during the evening I wasn't 100 per cent sure I would have the chance to play, because with the movement of that knee I felt that I will not be able to play.

"I did a lot of treatment. The MRI was positive. Nothing wrong shows the MRI. So that's always a lot of calm. But still the knee, you know, with the pain."

LMFAO!!!
Once again the MRI scan finds nothing wrong his knee that exploded by sitting in a chair!!
I wonder why he suddenly had another joint injury which an MRI scan couldnt diagnose as any kind of injury

So him not having a injury means it is not legit for an MTO?

Quick send Murray for a scan as he must have an injury to ensure the 'validility' of his MTO!

I recall the MRI scan after the MTO against Del Potro also found nothing wrong with Nadals foot,yet he apparently needed a very strong anaesthetic in the following match to numb the pain
If he needed such a strong anaesthetic to numb the pain something would have shown on the MRI scan

Considering Nadal called several MTO in Doha for "a flu" when the trainers kept telling him theres nothing can do for "a flu" I guess you don't have to be injured or have an injury to call a MTO
And then of course all the other times he calls MTO when he doesn't look remotely injured,yet is able to run around on the so called injury,going on the win the match and then the injury is nowhere to be seen or heard of in the following match,while Nadal somehow goes on to make the final or wins the tournament
When other players are injured i.e Del Potro who was sidelined for an entire season,they are out on injury,but Nadal "bravely" fights through the pain all while risking not only his career but millions in prize money and endorsement and manages to beat other players who are 100% fit while he is injured which also sets up a possible excuse for any failure

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

If you have a diagnosis, it doesn't prevent you from having an MRI!!!

So if I had cancer I wouldn't need an MRI then???

Good lord!

A friend of mine who suffered with his knee was diagnosised by his GP as arthritis. He was granted an MRI by the doctor as my friend wanted a second opinion. Surprise they found cartilidge damage and he underwent ultrasound treatment.

It annoys me when people think they understand the 'healthcare' set up. I have worked in a hospital for 12 years and shake my head at some of the crap posted by people who think they know all about how these procedures work!

I am impressed with your defense of Rafa LK. You are defending like a relegation team being reduced to ten men in a match it can ill-afford to lose

But seriously, it is difficult to defend Rafa's antics at times, especially the convenient medical timeouts that he takes and his miraculous recovery thereafter (this is really the issue that makes Rafa look bad).

The unfortunate thing is that he is a talented enough player where he does not have to resort to these medical timeouts.

Thing is kemet the MTO's is a different kettle of fish in terms of whether people question the timing of when they are taken. I am not going to question how they are used because he is the only one who knows how his body is.

Time between points and other elements of gamesmanship for me he has no defence.

I feel that these are the items that let him down and that only people within the game and associated with it can change.

nore staat wrote:

nore staat wrote:

nore staat wrote:

nore staat wrote:When quoting multiple quotes we have a post that is a gazillion lines in length with the additional comment of or a or a or a "lol".

Each time the post gets longer and longer.

Try cutting down on those multiple quotes.

Please Enoough is Enooooooooooooooooough!

lol

Nore Staat wrote:
lol

Nore Staat wrote:

nore staat wrote:

nore staat wrote:

nore staat wrote:

nore staat wrote:When quoting multiple quotes we have a post that is a gazillion lines in length with the additional comment of or a or a or a "lol".

Each time the post gets longer and longer.

Try cutting down on those multiple quotes.

Please Enoough is Enooooooooooooooooough!

lol

lol again! Sorry couldn't resist... I wonder what the record is?