Fights that never happened

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:11 pm

That should have happened.

The obvious one is the Manny/Floyd issue. But this is not about them and that fight will probably happen. Its not a thread about them either.

In short, which fights that didn't happen but should have happened.

Frazier/Norton is one that comes to mind. (Frazier via KO)
The Hagler/SRL rematch (Hagler by KO)

Any others? And who would have won.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:15 pm

Hagler v Curry..............Curry w12
Hearns v Mccallum........Hearns ko3 /mccallum ko9
Hagler v Leonard 2......Leonard w12
Tyson v Holy 91...........Tyson ko 9
Camacho v Bramble....Camacho w12
Curry v Honey 2 154.........Curry ko10
Nelson v Mcguigan..........Nelson w12

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:20 pm

Interesting. I was a huge Curry fan but at Mid no way in hell does he beat Hagler at any point imo.

I'd go for mccallum by KO against hearns
Curry to KO Honey at 154 I agree
Nelson to KO Barry also and not via UD.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:24 pm

The basic Mugabi gave him fits and he was a natural 154 pounder just like at that stage the Don was...

not talking peak Hagler here!

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:26 pm

Mugabi was the reason SRL decided to fight Hagler. He realised that Hagler had slipped. Probably the fight with Hearns took much out of him. I still reckon the Hagler who "lost" to SRL would have too much for Curry at Middleweight.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:29 pm

Hagler was never a big hitter......

I just think he was made for Curry....In and out..in and out....

You don't think Curry was big enough and yet former welter Leonard beat him and Mugabi gave him fits....

still it's just my opinion...

by Michaels, Sean Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:33 pm

Benn v RJJ - Benn ko2
Eubank v Toney - Toney w12
Hamed v Pacquiao - Hamed w12

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:35 pm

Hagler was a big enough hitter and a very good boxer/brawler to cause serious issues for Curry. He was no McCrory or Colin Jones or Starling. The in and out which you suggest Curry would employ would be no problem for Hagler imo. Eventually Curry would have to stand and trade.
Curry would not jump to Mid straight from WW. SRL lost that fight imo. Mugabi gave him fits and he would have given many more guys fits as he was seriously underrated. Many thought he only had a punch.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:35 pm

You forgot

Tyson Fury ko 3 Ali............Sean

by **HumanWindmill** Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:35 pm

These heavyweight tussles were actually SIGNED but cancelled :

Ali-Patterson II 1967
Foreman-Bonavena 1975 (Norton-Quarry replaced it)
Cooney-Bugner 1981
Holyfield-Akinwande
Liston-Bonavena 1970
Cooney-Shavers 1980
Ellis-Cooper 1969
Tommy Morrison vs Herbie Hide

George Foreman vs Larry Holmes at Houston Texas.
That fight was canceled with 24 hours notice.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:36 pm

Michaels, Sean wrote:Benn v RJJ - Benn ko2
Eubank v Toney - Toney w12
Hamed v Pacquiao - Hamed w12

Benn wouldn't last a round with RJJ.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:36 pm

Was Johansson-Marciano actually signed Windy ??????

Now there was a matchup..

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:37 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:These heavyweight tussles were actually SIGNED but cancelled :

Ali-Patterson II 1967
Foreman-Bonavena 1975 (Norton-Quarry replaced it)
Cooney-Bugner 1981
Holyfield-Akinwande
Liston-Bonavena 1970
Cooney-Shavers 1980
Ellis-Cooper 1969
Tommy Morrison vs Herbie Hide

George Foreman vs Larry Holmes at Houston Texas.
That fight was canceled with 24 hours notice.

I dont see thr relevance of Ali/ Patterson 11. Was Patterson that much of a glutton for punishment of did he eventually learn the man's name?

by **HumanWindmill** Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:38 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Was Johansson-Marciano actually signed Windy ??????

Now there was a matchup..

I really don't know, Truss.

I'm probably wrong here, but I didn't think Ingo hit it big till he beat Machen in '58 or so.

You may well be right though, mate.

by Imperial Ghosty Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:39 pm

I can't see RJJ having the power to KO Benn if McClellan couldn't

by **HumanWindmill** Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:40 pm

azania wrote:I dont see thr relevance of Ali/ Patterson 11. Was Patterson that much of a glutton for punishment of did he eventually learn the man's name?

Pretty sure that you're thinking of the Ernie Terrell fight, az.

by Rowley Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:40 pm

Going back some years Langford Ketchel was mooted, they had a six round no decision bout to generate interest in a title fight and it was widely accepted Sam held back to not send Ketchel running to the hills as many others had done.

Unfortuanately Stanley's untimely death did Sam out of a title shot I personally would have backed him to win.

Burley Robinson was talked about a lot, at welter that could have been a belter as plenty who saw them both gave Burley a very real chance. As everyone knows I rate Burley a lot, have to wonder how highly rated he would be with a win over a welter Robbo.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:40 pm

No Marciano was comig out of retirement to fight the Floyd beating ingo for the title...

Read somewhere it had been signed but once Rock started training he felt he didn't have it!!

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:42 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
azania wrote:I dont see thr relevance of Ali/ Patterson 11. Was Patterson that much of a glutton for punishment of did he eventually learn the man's name?

Pretty sure that you're thinking of the Ernie Terrell fight, az.

Patterson also. Ali gave him a sustained beating as he refused to acknowledge his new name. Terrell was the "whats my name" fight.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:43 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:I can't see RJJ having the power to KO Benn if McClellan couldn't

RJJ would be too fast for Benn and land punches from all angles. Round 2 KO at a push. Plus he was a huge hitter also. Even Benn acknowledged RJJ as the best in that division.

by **HumanWindmill** Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:44 pm

azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
azania wrote:I dont see thr relevance of Ali/ Patterson 11. Was Patterson that much of a glutton for punishment of did he eventually learn the man's name?

Pretty sure that you're thinking of the Ernie Terrell fight, az.

Patterson also. Ali gave him a sustained beating as he refused to acknowledge his new name. Terrell was the "whats my name" fight.

True.

Patterson called Ali's new religion a ' menace ' and Ali was miffed. I thought you were referring to the ' What's my name ? ' incident.

Apologies, mate.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:44 pm

Things were so boring in Ali's day and there was a distinct lack of imagination...

Everybody seemed to be called TOM.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:44 pm

rowley wrote:Going back some years Langford Ketchel was mooted, they had a six round no decision bout to generate interest in a title fight and it was widely accepted Sam held back to not send Ketchel running to the hills as many others had done.

Unfortuanately Stanley's untimely death did Sam out of a title shot I personally would have backed him to win.

Burley Robinson was talked about a lot, at welter that could have been a belter as plenty who saw them both gave Burley a very real chance. As everyone knows I rate Burley a lot, have to wonder how highly rated he would be with a win over a welter Robbo.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Things were so boring in Ali's day and there was a distinct lack of imagination...

Everybody seemed to be called TOM.

They had loads of Uncles thats why.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:56 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
azania wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
azania wrote:I dont see thr relevance of Ali/ Patterson 11. Was Patterson that much of a glutton for punishment of did he eventually learn the man's name?

Pretty sure that you're thinking of the Ernie Terrell fight, az.

Patterson also. Ali gave him a sustained beating as he refused to acknowledge his new name. Terrell was the "whats my name" fight.

True.

Patterson called Ali's new religion a ' menace ' and Ali was miffed. I thought you were referring to the ' What's my name ? ' incident.

Apologies, mate.

No worries. Ali referred to him as Uncle Tom after that and gave him a merciless beating. The only time people say, that they got to see the wicked side of ali.

Alsi was right about patterson btw. He was one of those as ali described. My take only though.

by Rowley Thu 31 Mar 2011, 2:56 pm

Az you are wise to keep quiet, you know my opinions on the old timers but will forewarn you I view disparaging comments about Burley about as welcome as someone putting their hand up the wife's skirt.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:07 pm

rowley wrote:Az you are wise to keep quiet, you know my opinions on the old timers but will forewarn you I view disparaging comments about Burley about as welcome as someone putting their hand up the wife's skirt.

by Guest Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:13 pm

rowley wrote:Az you are wise to keep quiet, you know my opinions on the old timers but will forewarn you I view disparaging comments about Burley about as welcome as someone putting their hand up the wife's skirt.

Would you be quite conflicted if you found someone with their hand up your wife's skirt but full of praise for the exploits of Burley? Hug

but

by wow_junky Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:16 pm

Lewis - Bowe (Lewis UD)
Marquez - Morales (Morales UD)
Tsyzu - Mayweather Jr (Tszyu KO4)
Cotto - Hatton (Cotto KO11)

BTW Truss, Hagler wasn't a big hitter? He was 13(12)-1 in title fights, he would have KO'd Curry no doubt about it.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:18 pm

Bowe beats Lewis imo

Tszyu? Who? Beats Floyd?

Agree with Hagler/Curry.

by wow_junky Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:22 pm

Tsyzu struggled with bigger, stronger brawlers, not slick boxers. Look at how he dealt with Judah - he had great timing and dynamite in his gloves - he could have put Mayweather Jr to sleep had they faced off in 2002.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:23 pm

Couldn't stop Leonard....who was a welter..Curry too cute.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:26 pm

wow_junky wrote:Tsyzu struggled with bigger, stronger brawlers, not slick boxers. Look at how he dealt with Judah - he had great timing and dynamite in his gloves - he could have put Mayweather Jr to sleep had they faced off in 2002.

Floyd is no Zab Judah. Floyd is a far superior fighter. Plus he has a stronger chin.

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:26 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Couldn't stop Leonard....who was a welter..Curry too cute.

Curry was no Sugar.

by wow_junky Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:27 pm

Leonard had a granite chin, he went 15 rounds with a prime Hearns

Curry got stopped against welters and light middles

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:29 pm

He was decked by Kevin Howard in the fight before....

Leonard was stopped by the lightweight Camacho.....

by wow_junky Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:30 pm

Azania

Judah isn't the same calibre as Mayweather Jr but in his prime he was quality, an exceptionally good starter, he was giving Mayweather Jr all sorts of trouble at the start of their fight, yet Tsyzu was able to time him from round 2 and the rest is history.

I stand by my claim!

by Guest Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:31 pm

Leonard was stopped by the lightweight Camacho.....

He was 76yrs old at the time.

by wow_junky Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:33 pm

Leonard was 41 when he was stopped against Camacho

Curry was stopped TWICE in his prime by a welter and a light middle, and stopped twice more before he was 30

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:34 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He was decked by Kevin Howard in the fight before....

Leonard was stopped by the lightweight Camacho.....

Come on Trussy. He lost to Camacho when he was almost Windy's age. He was ancient then. He got decked by Howard, got up and won. Every boxer gets clipped. Its how they react. What was curry's reaction when he cgot clipped by the average Honey?

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:36 pm

wow_junky wrote:Azania

Judah isn't the same calibre as Mayweather Jr but in his prime he was quality, an exceptionally good starter, he was giving Mayweather Jr all sorts of trouble at the start of their fight, yet Tsyzu was able to time him from round 2 and the rest is history.

I stand by my claim!

I applaud you for standing by your claim. If you believe it, stand by it. Floyd was a way better defensive boxer than Zab. He would not have got caught with the sam epunch. Plus he has a better chin. You seriously cant compare the 2.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:37 pm

So what????

Lewis was knocked out off mccall and Rahman.....in his prime!!

Your point is????

My point is he shows more angles to an old Marvin than Mugabi does who was on top early and Marvin struggled with!!

My idea is that he just doesn't stand there and let Marvin hit him..

Kevin Howard journeyman knocked Leonard down..

Leonard gets flattened off Mccallums left hook..and Honey caught Curry on a bad night like Duran did Leonard...

He didn't stop Curry the doctor pulled him out.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:39 pm

Idiots always bring up Honeyghan..why don't they bring up guys who were better than Honey like Starling and Mccrory.......huh..

Never known a guy roasted for one fight so much.

by Guest Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:40 pm

Never known a guy roasted for one fight so much.
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Says the guy who has OCD when it comes to mentioning Lewis/Rahman/McCall...besides, we wouldn't do it if it didn't upset you so much!

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:43 pm

Haven't mentioned Lewis/Rahman/Mccall before this thread for ages...

Listened to your OMD but never got round to OCD.

by wow_junky Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:44 pm

TRUSS

I just can't see Curry lasting in a 12 or 15 round fight against Hagler, the evidence is massively against it happening - Curry was stopped multiple times below middle, Hagler had 12 KOs in 13 title defences.

Az

Judah's chin isn't that bad, he was only stopped against Tszyu and Cotto, both of which were very very hard punchers at the weight (Cotto has only gone the distance with Malignaggi, Clottey and Mosely in title fights - all of which have very very solid chins).

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:47 pm

The evidence is Vito drew with the guy.......Mugabi gave him fits for 11 rounds...Leonard a welter that hadn't fought for three years beat him and Curry was well known for going 12 and 15 rounds in his stride...

Curry was also in his pomp and better than Mugabi...

Your evidence is thrown out..

You've only ever seen the mccallum/honey fights haven't you.?

by Guest Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:48 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haven't mentioned Lewis/Rahman/Mccall before this thread for ages...

Well give yourelf a pat on the head, chum

Listened to your OMD but never got round to OCD.

OMD - I hear you're a fan of fiddling around at night

by azania Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:50 pm

wow_junky wrote:TRUSS

I just can't see Curry lasting in a 12 or 15 round fight against Hagler, the evidence is massively against it happening - Curry was stopped multiple times below middle, Hagler had 12 KOs in 13 title defences.

Az

Judah's chin isn't that bad, he was only stopped against Tszyu and Cotto, both of which were very very hard punchers at the weight (Cotto has only gone the distance with Malignaggi, Clottey and Mosely in title fights - all of which have very very solid chins).

Zab is not as good as Floyd. Its that simple. Floyd is probably the best defensive fighter of his generation. He stand in the pocket and doesn't get hit. Plus he has a very strong chin by virtue of the fact that he has not been decked or seriously wobbled. SSM caught him with a howitzer yet within 20 seconds he had regrouped.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 31 Mar 2011, 3:50 pm

Like to give you a pat on the head....

Yes I used to play the violin in the small hours when I couldn't sleep.

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