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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:32 pm

http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/7790493/Bute-I-want-a-rematch

Raises a couple of questions:

1. Is this a wise idea for Bute? I understand the desire from a pride point of view however what can he have seen/felt to think he'd fare better on home turf?

2. Would a similar result for Froch, but in Bute's backyard, make any difference to Froch's CV/legacy/reputation? Was Bute so 'exposed' in the first match that a rematch win adds nothing or does it still look like a dangerous rematch against a proven operator and therefore another good name on his ledger?

3. Is there a risk for Froch that, in honouring his contract, if he fails to blow Bute away again he'll be shafted by a home-town decision and lose his titles and undermine his CV?

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Post by Steffan Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:41 pm

I thought there was a rematch clause in place anyway so Froch has no choice?

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Post by azania Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:45 pm

Froch will have to rematch him if its contracted. If he does, he will go there with confidence and that will be his undoing. Bute will win a rematch.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:45 pm

I guess if Froch expects another easy night and doesn't put the effort in training camp he might have a hope. Not likely though.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:46 pm

Yes there's a rematch clause in place so if Froch doesn't honour it I assume he get's his belts taken away.

Anyway, if the rematch does happen then it will be more difficult for Froch. He'll have to KO Bute or be on the end of a hometown decision but I'd reckon Froch would KO him again anyway.

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Post by ShahenshahG Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:49 pm

I reckon bute thinks that foot infection did him in. Also he might think that the rematch with andrade gives him hope. I was a little bit uneasy about the post fight interviews before bute and co acted class afterward. Privately though he might think the infection and other problems contributed to it and expects to do an adrade on him in the rematch. I wonder what will happen

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Post by Seanusarrilius Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:51 pm

Bute should target a rematch but after 1 or 2 comeback wins.

Would not be as easy in Montreal for Froch, especially if he has another war with Kessler in the interim. But, that said, he completley destroyed Bute the first time so would expect him to get to him at some point again during the rematch.

Would Katsidis still blast Mitchell if they fought?

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Post by azania Fri 01 Jun 2012, 7:53 pm

Duty281 wrote:Yes there's a rematch clause in place so if Froch doesn't honour it I assume he get's his belts taken away.

Anyway, if the rematch does happen then it will be more difficult for Froch. He'll have to KO Bute or be on the end of a hometown decision but I'd reckon Froch would KO him again anyway.

I don't think they can take away the belt, unless the rematch clause specifically mentioned a belt on the line. Froch will be overconfident and will imagine he will walk through whatever Bute throws at him. Bute KO for me. And a rubber match will have the same ending as their first fight.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Fri 01 Jun 2012, 8:26 pm

Seeing the way Froch walked through it would take a braver fellow than me to put money on a Bute KO.

I agree Froch might be over confident, but Mcraken seems a smart guy and Froch has listened to him much more since the Kessler defeat. I don't see Rob allowing Froch to take it easy.

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Post by NathanDB10 Fri 01 Jun 2012, 8:43 pm

I don't think Bute was "shown up", I just think Froch was that good on the night, and due to that, Bute was unprepared for just how much pressure he came under. I think in all his other fights, he was able to set the pace and control the range better.

I think a re-match would be more competitive, and I'd bet it would certainly go further than 5 rounds. I agree with the above post that Froch, and specifically McCracken won't be over confident/complacent. I reckon Bute would want to make the fight much slower to suit his style, it would be up to Froch as to whether he could do that. If so, I actually think Bute could sneak a UD if he stays upright.

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Post by Rodney Fri 01 Jun 2012, 9:00 pm

I expected this tbh, really think Bute wants a pay day that's all, not sure how strong his appetite will be after a devastating battering like that. Has there ever been an immediate rematch in history that's been so one sided in the original ever made ?

Not sure if anyone will really be interested in seeing this

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Post by NathanDB10 Fri 01 Jun 2012, 9:08 pm

Rodney wrote:I expected this tbh, really think Bute wants a pay day that's all, not sure how strong his appetite will be after a devastating battering like that. Has there ever been an immediate rematch in history that's been so one sided in the original ever made ?

Not sure if anyone will really be interested in seeing this

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Do you think he would want to get anhiliated like that again in front of his own fans? Surely the only point to the re-match from Bute's perspective is if he really feels he can win the fight.

I would expect a warm up fight first definately, but I would think Bute would only want the re-match to try and set the record straight, not get blasted out again in a few rounds then pick up the cheque. He wouldn't be able to step outside the front door if the same happened in Canada as it did in Nottingham

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Post by Rodney Fri 01 Jun 2012, 9:14 pm

I hope you're right Nathan but money talks, where else does Bute go to earn the money he'll get off Froch ? Which he has tied in with a contract, I'm not a fighter but surely your confidence must be at an all time low after a hammering like that you're no longer unbeaten, and you want to take the guy on again who didn't just beat you, but destroyed you. In a week he thinks he can win.

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Post by NathanDB10 Fri 01 Jun 2012, 9:18 pm

Thats what I mean. I don't know too much about Bute, but the impression I got is that he is essentially the Klitschko of Canada, and by that I mean people turn up in their droves to cheer him on regardless of the calibre of the fighter he is facing. Therefore, it would be quite easy for him to go back home, smash a few tomato cans, maybe pick up a strap from elsewhere or move to LHW and go from there.

On the other hand, if he takes the Froch re-match and loses badly, he would be finished in his own backyard. Seems like a risky move if he doesn't truly believe he can do better than the first fight.

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Post by Rodney Fri 01 Jun 2012, 9:26 pm

Yeah definetly see your point mate, someone shrewdly on the forum last week (apologies can't remember who it was) picked Froch to win due to the lack of appetite Bute had for the game, maybes he sees this as final fling and a goodbye with a handsome cheque in his pocket, fair play to him if he fancies the job though.

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Post by Nico the gman Fri 01 Jun 2012, 10:04 pm

Well before the stoppage Froch was hurting Bute almost everytime he caught him,and if Bute thinks its going to be a Andrade type rematch his living in cuckoo land.

Froch has never had a problem with stamina so at some stage Froch will get to him and the result will be the same.

Those who think Froch loses the rematch by KO, that's more wishful thinking from them as Froch haters, sad people really.

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Post by azania Fri 01 Jun 2012, 10:17 pm

NathanDB10 wrote:Thats what I mean. I don't know too much about Bute, but the impression I got is that he is essentially the Klitschko of Canada, and by that I mean people turn up in their droves to cheer him on regardless of the calibre of the fighter he is facing. Therefore, it would be quite easy for him to go back home, smash a few tomato cans, maybe pick up a strap from elsewhere or move to LHW and go from there.

On the other hand, if he takes the Froch re-match and loses badly, he would be finished in his own backyard. Seems like a risky move if he doesn't truly believe he can do better than the first fight.

Boxers are liars. The biggest liars. The most deluded people on earth. They have to be. They lie to themselves as to how good they are to give themselves the confidence to do the impossible. In this instance I believe Bute feels in honesty, that he didn't perform to his best and that he totally underestimated Froch. Its why the first serious punch Froch threw which landed completely finished Bute. His self belief needed disappeared and he couldn't correct it as his mindset was already set.

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Post by eddyfightfan Fri 01 Jun 2012, 11:20 pm

theres a IBF rule where you can't fight in another world title fight if you lose by KO in a defense. so he cant have an immediate rematch.


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Post by tunes666 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 12:13 am

Just PR, he knows he cant have an immediate rematch and knows anything can happen in a few fights.

Whats he going to say?.. "I don't want to fight Froch again"?

He will look to get a warm up fight and see how Carl does with Kessler..

There is no way he will want to jump in the ring with Froch anytime soon..

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Post by bhb001 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 7:25 am

If the fight happens, I'd expect Bute to be a lot more negative, far more spoiling and doing anything not to be hit. This would make for a difficult fight for Froch, a disappointing one for the public and a highly likely home town decision for Bute. Froch would have to go totally focused as he was in Nottingham, but I have long harboured a suspicion that he fights better at home than away (not surprising), so high risk all round really.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 02 Jun 2012, 12:18 pm

Good on him. If he learns how to behave like a fighter when he gets hit then he could beat Froch. Butes problem isn't his chin its how he reacts to getting hurt.

He shows he's hurt and backs away and lets you walk right in on him. Froch did nothing spectacular because he never had to. He walked straight forward when Bute was hurt and threw punches. Bute never held him and his defence let him down.
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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 12:50 pm

Apparently some Romanian boxing websites are claiming that Froch cheated and used loaded wraps. Delusional or what Shocked

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