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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 9:04 am

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2. Bathite

Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:16 pm

Ok, question for all as I am struggling to work out my strongest side at present in terms of which 5 EQ players should start. My best foreign XV alongside my EQ side is this.

15. Taute - Homer
14. Ioane - Cueto
13. Davies - Trinder
12. Nonu - Casson
11. Habana
10. Lambie/FTD - Farrell
9. Hougaard/Parra - Hodgson

1. Kitshoff - Corbisiero
2. Bismarck - Chuter
3. Jones - Swainston
4. Nallet - Skivington
5. Elstadt - Borthwick
6. Dusautoir - Johnson
7. Rennie - Wallace
8. JvN/Vermeulen - Gray

Which 5 EQ should start to give me my best XV?
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:21 pm

1. Corbs
2. BDP
3. Jones
4. Skiv
5. Borthwick
6. Johnson
7. Dusa
8. Verm
9. Houghard
10. Lambie
11. Habana
12. Nonu
13. JD
14. Ioane
15. Homer

for me.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:24 pm

Can I ask a similar question.

1. Woodcock/Marler/Crockett
2. Brits/Rees/Hawkins
3. Afoa/Franks/Brookes
4. Botha/Thion/Kruis
5. Pyle/Gaskell
6. Wood/Fearns
7. Warbs/Hooper/Henry
8. Denton
9. Dickson/Dickson/TOL
10. Priestland/Cooper/Burns
11. Biggs/Rokocoko
12. Contepomi/Fritz/Faainga
13. Joseph/Lowe/Sadie
14. Ngwenya/Huget
15. Kearney/Taylor/Morahan

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:31 pm

For me Steve it would be this looking at your English options

15. Kearney
14. Ngwenya
13. Joseph
12. Faainga
11. Rokocoko
10. Cooper
9. Dickson (L)

1. Marler
2. Brits
3. Afoa
4. Botha
5. Gaskell
6. Wood
7. Warburton
8. Denton
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:32 pm

Thanks Pete much appreciated.

I need Roko to pick up some form next season. He was dire last season by all accounts.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:32 pm

Pete, for me your must start EQ are:

Homer (Taute, looks a talent but not ahead of Homer)
Corbs (Again a strong option and backup not better)
1 of Skivs/Borthwick alongside a physical 4
TJ - with Dus at 7

After that one of Cueto, Trinder or Farrell

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:37 pm

Steve, must start EQ are:

Marler
Gaskell (With Botha)
Wood
Dickson
JJ or Biggs

Think you need a 12 with Contemponi more a FH and the other two stronger at OC imo, especially Fa'ainga. Could do with Lowe or JJ getting game time at IC!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:41 pm

Cheers Pooly. I am hoping Fritz/Faainga or Lowe get a go at 12.

I prefer Faainga at 12 myself. He often finds himself there for the reds.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:43 pm

That's why I stuck him there Steve. With Cooper inside and JJ outside I think his power and defensive strengths could work quite well.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:45 pm

Just seen the SA Baabaa's side.

My SA knowledge isn't as good as others on here but I don't recognize a name on the list.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:47 pm

You won't. Most of them are the level below Currie Cup. They'll be physical as all South African sides are but England should really be winning this game by 30+ points.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:49 pm

I much prefer Fa'ainga at 13 think he looks out of place at 12, similar but less so with Fritz who gets a bit of time there at Tolouse.

Rather tell you now than predo's though. All your side is missing really, pack looks great and just need a bit of form on your wings. I'd probably start Biggs who's a very good AP winger (Bit like Benjamin for me)

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:51 pm

Biggs had a really good season in a struggling Bath side. Be very interesting to see how he goes next season.
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Post by CJB Tue 12 Jun 2012, 5:25 pm

Pete I'd go: Homer, Corbs, TJ, Skivs and make a gut decision out of other big players.

Steven: Marler/Gaskell/Wood/Dickson/JJ

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 5:31 pm

ITFL

For you I would go with Wilson, Deacon, Haskell, Hodgson and Allen. OK
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 5:55 pm

Saffa U20 hooker having a 'mare at the lineout so far!
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 12 Jun 2012, 6:28 pm

Ah what I would give for a referee from the southern hemisphere to officiate the breakdown properly, Boks off their feet at every ruck.

There are two different rules for northern and southern hem rugby these days

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 6:50 pm

Chris man, do me a favour, go one match without moaning about the ref Laugh

Ref is having a good game to be honest.

England are going to get beat here. Great burst from Kitshoff for the second try.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 12 Jun 2012, 6:54 pm

I dont mind if the ref is equal to both teams. Give me a northern hem ref any day, apart from Rolland...

Going to lose this one, talk about a momentum shift, SA finally lookin good!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 12 Jun 2012, 7:03 pm

3rd try for the Boks. Awful attempts at tackles from a couple of England players there.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 12 Jun 2012, 7:06 pm

We've been bullied since Vunipola went off

Can really see the experience of the Boks now

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 12 Jun 2012, 7:15 pm

See said Jackson was having a shocker lol - how on earth wasn't that a penalty for England

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 12 Jun 2012, 7:26 pm

Ah well. Typical that SA pick the game versus England to show up! Didn't think theyd score 4 tries like that.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 12 Jun 2012, 10:16 pm

Interesting article here on the SA 2015 side.

http://rugbyrugby.com/news/by_country/u_s/6996336/revealed__our_class_of_2015

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 8:52 am

Just saw Austin Healy's comments on what the England backline should be - he was saying that for him Farrell has become irreplaceable at fly half and would like to see:

10. Farrell
11. Wade
12. Tuilagi
13. JJ
14. Ashton
15. Foden

Said Tuiliagi probably doesnt have the pace to play wing and England would have to drastically change their defensive patterns to accommodate him - you'd certainly have some x-factor with Wade and JJ there!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 9:03 am

Farrell and irreplaceable should never be used in the same sentence.....

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 9:10 am

Probably the only ten we have who is guaranteed to hit all our penalties though.

Wonder when Corbs will be fit.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 9:38 am

May as well play Homer at FB then really then pick a 10 with a bit of attacking instinct.

No player is irreplaceable

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:15 am

Wade would get absolutely battered. He isn't physical enough.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:31 am

He'd struggle with their kicking game, but could see him doing quite a bit of damage attack wise.

I'd be happy to see JJ start, but Tuilagi is a must because he's our only player who is physical enough!

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1 Healy (Skuse)
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3 Kubrashvilli (Wilson)
4 Hoeata (Deacon)
5 Whitelock (Percival)
6 Shields (Haskell)
7 Pocock (Seymour)
8 Lobbe (Guest)
9 FDP/Smith (Wigglesworth/Cook)
10 Anscombe/Skrela (Hodgson)
11 North (Woodburn)
12 Mermoz (Allen)
13 Rougerie (Waldouck/Hill)
14 Jane/Medard (Varndell)
15 Jane/Toeava/Hogg (Arnott)

For me ITFL, maybe Varndell as your 6th option.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:37 am

Tuilagi just needs to learn how to pass and he'll be a world beater

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:46 am

Trouble I've seen with England is that youngs service was slow, Farrell and Barritt would shuffle the ball on and then Tuilagi had to smash it up, as would have put Ashton and Foden in worse position.

I'd like to see a lot more of the bck three cOming through the middle - such a shame we never replaced Greenwood - that style of 12 would be perfect!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:08 am

Even on fast ball Tuilagi would take it up by himself, you can't blame others for that.

Tuilagi is a freak and an awesome carrier but he's not got much of a rugby brain or a pass tbh.

12 might be his future position as its easier to bypass a 12 sometimes. To get to the wingers you usually have to go through the 13....that's why they recieve no ball.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:22 am

Mike Tindall didn't stop Robinson, Lewsey & Cohen scoring loads -for me issue is 10-12 and being happy to contain opposition instead of attacking.

Got to give Tuilagi ball to attack the outside shoulder and get back three running off him as the boy can offload

Hopefully another week under Catt could change that

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:35 am

Tindall had his faults but passed a lot more than Tuilagi ever does.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:36 am

He's awesome by the way but needs to start thinking

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Post by Driver Wed 13 Jun 2012, 12:59 pm

Wales set to mix things up in the back row Saturday by all accounts

6.Ryan Jones
7.Justin Tupric
8.Sam Warburton
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Post by Driver Wed 13 Jun 2012, 1:01 pm

South Africa side to face England:
Pat Lambie, JP Pietersen, Jean de Villiers (captain), Frans Steyn, Bryan Habana, Morne Steyn, Francois Hougaard; Tendai Mtawarira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Juandre Kruger, Marcell Coetzee, Willem Alberts, Pierre Spies

Replacements: Adrian Strauss, Werner Kruger, Flip van der Merwe, Keegan Daniel, Ruan Pienaar, Wynand Olivier, Bjorn Basson
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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 1:53 pm

Lowe now on comes onto the wing.

How would people rate him there? Played all his rugby before Quins first team there.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:07 pm

I'd play Lowe there - reckon if he has England ambitions then that's where he will need to play

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Post by prop_lyd Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:12 pm

Not sure about Warburton at 8 would rather Jones there however tips or warbs at 6 wouldn't work!! Looks like they're trying to accomodate Tips though which is great!!
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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:17 pm

Has to be Warburton or Tipuric really. Would be mad to leave Warburton out.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:18 pm

Hodgson has had a very good start. He could force his way in at 10 I wonder.

Better game management than Flood and more adventurous that Farrell. Out of hand kicking is magnificent as well.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:20 pm

Brilliant fron Care.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:28 pm

Would start Care and Haskell - tho quality of opposition v poor

I'd be tempted with Waldroum as well for the bench - never thought I'd say that!

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:33 pm

Worst yellow card lol - I love Kapland

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:37 pm

Players who I think could have forced there way in before the game are Haskell, Waldrom, Care, Hodgson, Allen and Strettle.

Reckon only Waldrom, CAre and Hodgson have had a good start.

George Lowe is having a excellent game aswell but would be a miracle if he was in test match 22.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:43 pm

Haskell was doing very well I thought - tackling everything, annoyance at the breakdown and carrying - surprised he got a yellow for winning the ball.

Be interesting if they take any players off at halftime

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:45 pm

Think Haskell was going well till the sin binning which was harsh. Looked a legitimate turnover to me. Care & Hodgson easily the best England players on the field. Not impressed with the defence though we seem fairly slow coming across.

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