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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 9:04 am

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2. Bathite

Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:46 pm

Haskell, Care I reckon would be lined up to come off at half time

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:48 pm

I must have missed it with Haskell. Hasn't been great although I have been watching the last 20 mins out the corner of my eye.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 2:48 pm

Do like Greenwoods comment there 'and Kaplans looking to get involved today'

Care needs to start I think

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:16 pm

Not watching the game but that's a terrible score line considering the opposition

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:19 pm

Kaplan is officiating Pooly

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Post by prop_lyd Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:20 pm

Lucky there for England...Allen saved them to get that try. Defence really doesn't seem that sharp today.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:21 pm

Absolutely f all to do with Kaplan. A lot of average on the field today with the exception of Care, Waldrom, Hodgson, Lowe and Allen.

Some others have been good in sparks.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:26 pm

Been shocking hasn't it - defence has been very and a lot of players just don't seem to want it enough, not attacking rucks like they should.m

Should have put more width in the game

How much do you think altitude has played?

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:31 pm

Think Barnes might be getting annoyed with Kaplan now lol

Care done enough?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:34 pm

at the weekend I thought Youngs had done enough but Care should start 9 for me.

Has to be either Care or Youngs starting with Dickson on the bench. Keep Care or Youngs on for full 80 if we are playing well and if not bring on Dickson to make sure we have more control and a quality of service.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:36 pm

I suspect Lancaster will start Youngs and use Care from bench, he won't let Care in that easy

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:37 pm

He should do. He let Youngs back in that easily

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:41 pm

Did he?

I think we've been through this....lol

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:42 pm

I misunderstoof that. I thought it was a strange nod towards Care's form. For a brief moment forgot about his winter antics.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 3:45 pm

Yea I meant on his bad boy behaviour

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 8:47 pm

reckon the Eng side for Sat will be

1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Botha
5. Parling
6. TJ
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan
9. Care
10. Farrell
11. Tuilagi
12. Flood
13. Joseph
14. Ashton
15. Foden

16. mears
17. PDJ
18. marler
19. Waldrom
20. Youngs
21. Allen
22. Strettle

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 13 Jun 2012, 8:52 pm

I know Marler is good but playing and sub! Lol

I wouldn't like to see that midfield tbh. Although I haven't been impressed with Tuilagi at 12 the few times I've seen him Id prefer him at 12 than Flood or Farrell.

9. Youngs
10. Flood
11. Monye
12. Tuilagi
13. Joseph
14. Ashton
15. Foden

Could be good

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 13 Jun 2012, 8:58 pm

marler and palmer are quite close.

It isn't what U'd like but it what i expect.

I'd have Flood or Hodgson 10. Manu 12 and then someone else on the wing.


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Post by Guest Wed 13 Jun 2012, 9:22 pm

Rumours saying Manu wing with jj 13.

Manu did quite well last week.

Botha got an 8 in one paper which is nuts

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 14 Jun 2012, 7:33 am

9. Youngs
10. Flood
11. Strettle
12. Tuilagi
13. JJ
14. Ashton
15. Foden

Corbs and Goode to make the bench too

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 7:48 am

I was pretty close! No Farrell in 22 Chris?

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Post by Driver Thu 14 Jun 2012, 8:01 am

Faz will be 21 on the bench I reckon with tulagi , JJ and Foden able to play wing.

Anyway I'm off to bed after a long night shift!
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Post by dammit_chris Thu 14 Jun 2012, 8:02 am

Havent seen anything about the bench yet Pooly, though if Goode is on the bench I would see him there only to play at f/b.

Doesnt say who the other no9 is - would imagine it will be Dickson.

Wonder if Waldroum will make the bench?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 8:20 am

Given time that 9-13 could be outstanding. Questions marks over Tuilagi's defence & positioning at 12 but as a decoy/battering ram he's perfect.

If they go with this I hope it gets a go in the 3rd test too

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 14 Jun 2012, 8:27 am

He'll have to be a lot more disciplined playing at 12 in defence - though I bet de Villiers is happy that he wont be lining up against him again, don't think I've ever seen him swotted out the way like Manu did to him last week!

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Post by Guest Thu 14 Jun 2012, 8:48 am

I cant believe we have gone for youngs again. he was not great last week and his kicking was abysmal and was the reason Devillers scored his try.

At altitude your kicking game has to be a lot more accurate.

I also dont think you experiment in a test match with a 12 who has barely played 12 before. I would have kept manu at 13 although i want JJ involved so can see why they have done it.

Flood the right call if we want to run the ball


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 9:40 am

anonmattyt wrote:I cant believe we have gone for youngs again. he was not great last week and his kicking was abysmal and was the reason Devillers scored his try.

I don't think that's accurate. It was actually a pretty good box kick from Youngs, it had height and plenty of hang (this def wasn't always the case). The kick chase was poor, as it was most of the game. Only Manu contested and he tackled the man without the ball instead of the receiver.

From this we had plenty of time to adjust the line but were slow to react and finally we missed a one on one tackle in the corner. To state it was Youngs fault is a fair bit wide of the mark. Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gyXvieOQmc&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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Post by Guest Thu 14 Jun 2012, 9:55 am

A good box kick never ends up that far from the touchline when it is kicked that deep. it was wrong tactically. admittedly the chase was not great but we do not know that he had called it either

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:01 am

Well seen as we were box kicking all game from our 22 I think it's fair to say it was expected. It was a pretty good box kick, but a box kick is only as good as the chase.

Fair to say it wasn't the reason JdV scored the try though, there's a few other permutations in that.

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Post by Guest Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:10 am

It was a garbage kick after many garbage kicks throughout the match from Youngs. It created great front foot ball for them to attack with.

It was not the smartest defence or kick chase that is for sure.

I am of the opinion that youngs does not deserve any more chances purely because he has not had a good game for England in over a year.

When you have Care and dickson then we have options. Its not like 8 where Morgan will get picked no matter what form because we have options.

I actually think they would have been fairer to let youngs stay at home and say have a break and come back and show us the WC scrum half you were a few seasons ago. Think sometimes a rest works wonders and is often used in other sports like cricket.
Rugby keeps on putting them in and does not recognise the need to sometimes not play rugby and get away from things



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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:14 am

I can't agree with any of that, no surprise. Can't be bothered arguing really, been done to death and is really boring.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 12:10 pm

Team: 15-Ben Foden, 14-Chris Ashton, 13-Jonathan Joseph, 12-Manusamoa Tuilagi, 11-David Strettle (Saracens), 10-Toby Flood, 9-Ben Youngs, 8 Ben Morgan, 7-Chris Robshaw, 6-Tom Johnson, 5-Geoff Parling, 4-Mouritz Botha, 3-Dan Cole, 2-Dylan Hartley, 1-Joe Marler

Replacements: 16-Lee Mears, 17-Alex Corbisiero, 18-Tom Palmer, 19-Phil Dowson, 20-Lee Dickson, 21-Owen Farrell, 22-Alex Goode.

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Post by prop_lyd Thu 14 Jun 2012, 12:11 pm

Couple of big calls there: Flood in, Tuilagi at 12 and no Care!
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Post by prop_lyd Thu 14 Jun 2012, 12:19 pm

Pool 1- Gloucester Rugby, London Irish, Bordeaux-Begles and Mont de Marsan

Pool 2 - USA Perpignan, Worcester Warriors, Femi-CZ Vea Rovigo, Bizkaia Gernika RT

Pool 3 - London Wasps, Newport Gwent Dragons, Bayonne, Rugby Mogliano

Pool 4 - Bath Rugby, Cammi Rugby Calvisano, SU Agen, Bucharest Wolves

Pool 5 - Stade Francais Paris, Newcastle Falcons, I Cavalieri Prato, Grenoble
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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 14 Jun 2012, 12:54 pm

That midfield is damn exciting.

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Post by Guest Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:35 pm

I agree steve. JJ really has a touch of class. I am not sure about his defence as i have not seen him enough.

To be fair he will definitely be tested by probably the least creative centre pairing of all time. It aint pretty but Steyn and Devilliers is hard to stop

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:39 pm

Could be a disaster but we'll go down attacking!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:02 pm

I fear for.us if we play the same game plan as last week though. Needs to be more adventurous

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:24 pm

You can't just soak up pressure for 80mins. We need to get a bit of territory.

Cant wait to see Flood make a little half break and pop up a little pass to Tuilagi on his shoulder who'll go bursting through the middle!

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Post by prop_lyd Thu 14 Jun 2012, 9:10 pm

Flatman's had to retire due to a hand injury....shame really always liked him and his work off the pitch.
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Post by Guest Thu 14 Jun 2012, 9:48 pm

I always thought flat man was better off the pitch than on. Top bloke

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:07 am

My main concern about the England game is that after 40mins last week our forward pack had no go forward, no ball carriers and got bullied out of it completely. I would have looked to start Palmer, with either Haskell or Waldroum on the bench if we need another ball carrier.

Would have liked to have seen Care start, think he's deserved it with his form over the months.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:58 am

Dowson out, Waldroum in.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:28 pm

back from marrakech.

missed england game but read a few reviews, will watch highlights. glad with the changes made to this weeks team.

JJ has good defence, only garvey had better tackle success rate for irish i think.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:46 pm

nick what do you think of Gibson now? do you think he will make it at top level?

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Post by stnick88 Fri 15 Jun 2012, 3:03 pm

no, dont think he will be a top international.

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Post by Guest Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:09 pm

stnick88 wrote:back from marrakech.

missed england game but read a few reviews, will watch highlights. glad with the changes made to this weeks team.

JJ has good defence, only garvey had better tackle success rate for irish i think.

Glad to hear his defence decent to be fair we find out tomorrow.

Did you get Ill in morocco ?? I have taken over 100 people twice
To conferences there and nearly all of us got sick. Great place though.

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Lineout and pace. Think he will be a club/ England Saxon or bench. Technically he is better than pretty much everyone. I rate highly

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 16 Jun 2012, 7:29 am

guys i'm going to be taking some time away from the game, got a few personal issues going on atm. if anyone wants to sort out my front row whilst I'm away please go ahead.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 16 Jun 2012, 8:48 am

Sorry to hear Chris mate hope everything is ok thumbsup


Great start from Ireland!!

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 16 Jun 2012, 8:55 am

Yeah sorry to hear it Chris, hope you're back soon!
Just about to crawl out of bed for the rugby!!
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