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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Aug 2012, 2:21 pm

Could throw Steffon in there too, always forget about him.

I think Gray/Gaskell could struggle in the scrum, I like Gray with a lump so he put himself around the park. Be a massive draw at your place

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Aug 2012, 2:24 pm

Looks like Uys is leave us to go to you Steve

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 07 Aug 2012, 2:28 pm

Agree with you Nick about TJ - not sure he is physical enough either.

Do rate Wood higher than Robshaw, but he's going to struggle gettingback into that team. Not bad options of Robshaw, Wood and Croft fighting it out on the flanks mind!

Need Morgan to step up this season at Gloucester and then replace our second rows...not a fan of either at international level.

My big hope for second row is Joe Launchbury - can see him getting quite a bit of gametime there with Wasps as they swap him, Palmer and Wentzel around.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Aug 2012, 2:32 pm

Robshaw & Wood are different players, I think they'd make a great combo.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 07 Aug 2012, 3:12 pm

they could do pooly. prefer wood to croft in many ways.

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Post by Guest Tue 07 Aug 2012, 3:13 pm

At the end of the day Robshaw has impressed since coming in. I never thought he was up to it. Its his shirt to lose although i do feel long term wood has a lot more to offer

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Aug 2012, 3:16 pm

I don't think it's a fight out with Wood/Robshaw, I think Wood would be more likely to play 6, I really don't (and didnt) think him and Croft worked well together.

Any combination with Robshaw/Haskell with Croft/Wood could be great. All good moving forward.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 07 Aug 2012, 3:31 pm

plenty of options. if Armitage comes back to England end of his Toulon contract, he could be right back in the mix. Can't see him getting picked whilst in France.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 07 Aug 2012, 3:34 pm

Long for the day when Lancaster can/will pick from Croft, Wood, Armitage, Robshaw and Haskell.

The others mentioned or who have played are way behind these 5 in terms of quality.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 07 Aug 2012, 3:38 pm

Interesting news coming out of Tigers re Flood/Ford...

"It (the No.10 shirt) will go to the best bloke on merit, and Ford has shown that Flood does not have a mortgage on that spot and will have to earn that jersey every week."

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2012-13/rugby/story/168156.html

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Aug 2012, 3:46 pm

Would be bad management to say its Flood's shirt

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Aug 2012, 11:31 pm

Would be bad for my RC team if Bakkies called up

http://www.espnscrum.com/the-rugby-championship/rugby/story/168161.html

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:17 am

Cockerill seems to really like Ford - think he's more his type of fly half e.g. kicking game, controlling etc. I do like Flood, but just wish he was more consistent, he can be top class one game and then fail to stamp his mark the week after - it's really frustrating.

Ford will definitely make his England debut this season, will be a great battle between him and Flood for the Tigers shirt too!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:30 am

Ford was going to leave last season so Cockerill has obviously had to give him some assurances he'll have a realistic chance of challenging for the shirt.

We seen in the AP final Ford is a little way off but this season he could really kick on. He'll have to tidy up his goal kicking which was well off the standard needed but he's a quick learner.

I think Ford should be brought in around the England set-up to get a feeling and maybe some game time in the AI.

Tigers fans in main board generally think he's not ready but a serious talent and needs to be involved somewhere, possibly Saxons.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:23 am

Don't think Ford was ever going to leave Tigers - I know other clubs were talking to him but to get into the England team he was only ever going to stay there.

My opinion is that he's already shown that he's ready to start for Tigers and has the ability to be far better than Flood - but he needs another season of getting experience before he's considered for England, plus needs to put on a bit more weight so he isnt targeted in the tackle area.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:29 am

Having the potential and actually being better is a big big if.

I hope him comes through as I don't rate Farrell and we have very little behind Flood. We need competition is every position to be strong going forward.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:38 am

he has potential, but agree with pooly, developing is a big step.

he isnt currently better than flood and doesnt deserve to start ahead of him yet, but could overtake him in the future.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:49 am

Its interesting reading about what the pundits say about Ford though, a few of Wilko's old coaches say that he's the first guy who has the same drive, determination etc as he did, you read others saying he's already best tactical kicker in the AP and plays like a guy with 10 years AP experience.

A lot of talent does go to waste, but I think Ford matches his ability with the mentality side of things and am genuinely excited to see him come through the ranks and fingers crossed fulfill his potential.

Just something about Ford that makes me think he will be a star for England in the future.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:58 am

we all hope that happens Chris, but nothing is guaranteed.
After that france game in 2007 Shane Geraghty was supposed to be the next big thing, never happened.
Likewise Cipriani.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:29 pm

Would say the difference is the mental toughness that Ford has compared to Cips and Geraghty- that's what makes him standout for me.

It would be great if Cipriani came good again at Sale, would like to see another ten push through and potentially challenge for an England spot again.

Did Geraghty get a few injuries after that France game? I think that was the best I ever saw him play - how do you think he will do being back in the AP?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:33 pm

Ford has the potential to be the best 10 in the world.

But right now all it is is potential. I'd rather see him have a good season with Leicester this season than have him talked up as an England 10.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:35 pm

We all know Chris likes his youngsters lol.....I think he just gets excited

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:43 pm

Only young male rugby players Pooly...

They should copy the model that they do with NZ and pick 5-6 top youngsters and get them training with the full England set up - would make transition easier.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:51 pm

Haha....I know mate.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Aug 2012, 2:47 pm

Last of summer dealings....Available for right deal:

LK Paul O'Connell (Ireland)
LK Juandre Kruger (South Africa)
BS Juan Smith (South Africa)
OS Heinrich Brussow (South Africa)
OC Jaque Fourie (South Afica)
OC Adam Ashley-Cooper (Austrailia)
WG Drew Mitchell (Austrailia)
WG Tommy Bowe (Ireland)

And possibly a few English, but need English back.

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Post by prop_lyd Wed 08 Aug 2012, 3:12 pm

I'd be interested in Mitchell/Bowe fella Ok!

I've also made a page with the teams and tactics for the matches I think I'm away for! https://www.606v2.com/t33488-worcester-holiday
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Post by 'Arry Spurs Wed 08 Aug 2012, 4:00 pm

I'm interested in Kruger, Brussow and AAC Pooly

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Wed 08 Aug 2012, 4:01 pm

And Bowe too

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Post by Guest Wed 08 Aug 2012, 4:23 pm

South Africa do the same Chris they had Arno Botha Kitschoff and quite a few other young talents training with the main side this year

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Aug 2012, 7:37 pm

Just watching the 7's. Joel Tomkins looks like he'll be the slowest back in the prem, has no idea how to tackle either.

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Post by stnick88 Thu 09 Aug 2012, 8:42 am

yeh he didnt look great. JJ looked immense, made every break look so easy. and Biggs.

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Post by prop_lyd Thu 09 Aug 2012, 1:12 pm

ITFL's messaged me to say his laptop's broken so will struggle to get on here for a while. This applies to your league too Pooly
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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 09 Aug 2012, 2:58 pm

Sounds like I'd have a decent 7's side then Nick.

Hooper, Brits, Easter, Cooper, JJ, Ngwenya, Taylor would rip it to shreds with Biggs in reserve.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 09 Aug 2012, 2:59 pm

Matt Stevens retires from international rugby.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:08 pm

What will we do!!!!

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Post by prop_lyd Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:25 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:What will we do!!!!

Dave Wilson??!! Whistle
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Post by stnick88 Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:29 pm

good news for me!

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:46 pm

Could do with some views on which of these is my strongest centre partnerships: 12. Barritt 13. Pisi or 12. Bowden 13. Barritt, cheers in advance

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Post by stnick88 Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:59 pm

probably 12. Bowden 13. Pisi for me, in the dry at least.
In the wet, Barritt in for Bowden.


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Post by stnick88 Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:36 pm

am i alright to start predicting are all teams in?

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Post by Driver Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:00 pm

Seems ok to do so in previous threads
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Post by dammit_chris Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:11 pm

Arry depends on the conditions mate - Barritt's best defensive centre in the AP, so well worth having him in if you want to have solid defence. You'd get creativity with Priestland and Pisi.

But a good tactic would be to have Bowden at 12 and get a good kicking game in as you've got Wentzel who would be great for lineouts.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:13 pm

Barritt/Pisi for me Arry, gives you physical threat and solid defence

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:16 pm

Nice problem to have Arry.

But Bowden and Pisi your best by a long shot for me

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Post by stnick88 Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:18 pm

Bowden is likely to be 1st choice 12 at Tigers, and with a good pack infront of him he should thrive.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:18 pm

Hasnt he also said this week that he wants to play for England? Do you think he will keep Allen out?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:20 pm

Be a big move for Bowden moving to Tigers, can't see him dislodging Allen at 12. Could be a star though on other hand.

I think Barritt is best 12 in prem so probably biased.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:26 pm

Think Waldouck will get back in the mix withhis move to Saints - they must have some amazing coaches there as they always seem to be able to turn good players into internationals. Always been a big fan of Waldouck, been very unlucky with injuries.

Looking forward to next year - Tigers could be the strongest around as they've made some great signings again - they've got a great Fijian wing/centre from France (think Mat has signed him).

Also think that Morris, their young Irish fullback will get a lot more game time - he's looked very good for them and I am sure he's got something like 10 tries in 14 games for them too.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:30 pm

Can't see it with Waldouck myself unless he really improves and has a run of games.

Morris looked ok last season as did Forsyth, Smith etc. Tigers have improved their strength in depth for Int games massively, will be hard to stop.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:32 pm

Bowden much better than Allen for me

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