Liverpool FC Thread

[Crimey]

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Liverpool FC

Transfers in:

Fabio Borini (£11 million)
Joe Allen (£15 million)
Joe Cole (return from loan)
Oussama Assaidi (£2.4 million)
Nuri Sahin (on loan)
Samed Yesil (£1 million)

Transfers out:

Dirk Kuyt (£1 million)
Maxi Rodriguez (Free)
Fabio Aurelio (Free)
Alberto Aquilani (£7 million)
Craig Bellamy (Free)
Andy Carroll (loan)
Jay Spearing (loan)
Charlie Adam (£4 million)

[Crimey]

I've updated the main page.

I'm not that bothered if we miss out on Dempsey, as good as I think he is. I'm not sure where he'd fit into the system now. I'd rather Rodgers focuses on signing at least one more winger.

He clearly doesn't have a lot of confidence in Downing and we cannot rely on Sterling...the less said about Joe Cole the better.

Where is the Assaidi transfer then

I can see us getting Sturridge on deadline day.

keep forgetting about Assaidi.

I hope not, I imagine he'd cost around £15 million and be on pretty high wages. I just don't rate him at all. Let Arsenal or Tottenham waste money on him instead.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

I've updated the main page.

I'm not that bothered if we miss out on Dempsey, as good as I think he is. I'm not sure where he'd fit into the system now. I'd rather Rodgers focuses on signing at least one more winger.

He clearly doesn't have a lot of confidence in Downing and we cannot rely on Sterling...the less said about Joe Cole the better.

Where is the Assaidi transfer then

I can see us getting Sturridge on deadline day.

keep forgetting about Assaidi.

I hope not, I imagine he'd cost around £15 million and be on pretty high wages. I just don't rate him at all. Let Arsenal or Tottenham waste money on him instead.

He has got alot of ability though. Depends on the price but I wouldn't mind us getting him. We are a bit short on pacey players at the mo

[Liam]

rumour that you will bid for defoe if spurs seal damaio deal. Exactly what you need imo, an out and out goalscorer.

[Kenny]

I would love Defoe or even Sturridge , papers are going on about Walcott today available for between 12-15 million

[Crimey]

If it was up to me, I'd prefer Walcott, then Defoe (because of their respective ages) and then Sturridge way below them.

£15 million is the same fee thrown around for Sturridge, so I'd hope Rodgers considers spending it on Walcott. The only stumbling point will be his wages really, but I expect Sturridge and Defoe would also both demand high wages.

Still not sure why Rodgers is allowing Ramirez to slip through his fingers and end up at Southampton.

Apparently he's told Downing that the only way he will have a future at the club is if he becomes a left back, which is laughable. The team is low on wingers already so he's planning on turning one into a left back?!

[Beer]

Downing's tackling stats are better than his assists and i think the season he left Villa he had one of the best tackling rates in the PL.

[Crimey]

That's all well and fine if the squad had more wingers, but we really don't.

[Beer]

Surprised your not in for Sinclair.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

That's all well and fine if the squad had more wingers, but we really don't.

But to be fair Crimey a 'winger' should actually be able to take a man on, which Downing fails to do! With regularity!

[Crimey]

As I said, I'm happy to concede that Downing can be moved away from being a winger if there was actually any depth in that position, but there isn't. I fear if Sterling gets injured what Rodgers plan is, if he moves Downing into the left back position.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

He obviously going to be used on the wing if that was the case! But I don't like mentally weak players which Downing seems to be.

[GSC]

Lucas out for 3 months with a thigh injury

#ouch

[Crimey]

Really not good.

At least the Sahin signing will be worth it now as he can quickly fill that hole.

Really hope Lucas can get over these injuries, he's a player who I think should be a part of the Liverpool spine for years to come.

[GSC]

I'm not sure Sahin is defensive enough to be a full time DM. Might mean Spearing is retained.

[Crimey]

In Swansea's midfield trio there wasn't one who was there just for the defensive work either. Allen and Sahin are both defensive enough to make it work I feel.

[GSC]

At home I'd tend to agree, but away you might need someone.

[Crimey]

Maybe, I can't see Rodgers starting Spearing though, who is right at the bottom of the pile of CMs right now.


I imagine for Rodgers, he puts them in order of importance as:

Steven Gerrard
Joe Allen (I imagine that Rodgers will be trying to get Allen over Gerrard within the next season or so, rightly so.)
Lucas Leiva
Nuri Sahin
Jonjo Shelvey
Jordan Henderson
Charlie Adam
Jay Spearing

I think he'll either use Sahin in that position, or use Shelvey and make Allen drop deeper.

[Crimey]

Jordan Henderson, Martin Kelly and Jonjo Shelvey have all been called up for the England U21s.

[Kenny]

Brendan Rodgers on Liverpool tv talking about Transfers in and out :-

"I don't think we will be doing too much (business)," he insisted. "That's the reality of it. There are maybe one or two things that we can do and hopefully most of that will be done over the next couple of days - in terms of lining it up.

Asked about Charlie Adam's future, the manager said: "Charlie's a very good player. He'll be a pivotal part of the Scottish national team going forward. He's a terrific player with a good left foot, who will score goals and I'm sure he'll do very well for Scotland."

[Liam]

Brendan Rodgers on Liverpool tv talking about Transfers in and out :-

"I don't think we will be doing too much (business)," he insisted. "That's the reality of it. There are maybe one or two things that we can do and hopefully most of that will be done over the next couple of days - in terms of lining it up.

Asked about Charlie Adam's future, the manager said: "Charlie's a very good player. He'll be a pivotal part of the Scottish national team going forward. He's a terrific player with a good left foot, who will score goals and I'm sure he'll do very well for Scotland."

So the first part is hopefully wrapping up Sahin loan deal and possibly signing Walcott.

The second part is praising the player but not for playing in the red of liverpool but the blue of scotland and that he's not part of his plans. Think they were hoping to offer Adam as part of the Dempsey deal which obviously doesn't look like happening. Personally I'd keep Adam just in case injuries mount up and obviously for cup games he can still do a job.

[Crimey]

The Sahin deal is already done and dusted mate. He's going to be wearing number 4.

I think it's pretty clear that Rodgers was saying he's not part of his long-term plans. I only think he'll be sold now if the right offer comes in, Everton are supposedly interested.

[Gregers]

Joe Allen will be kop hero by the end of the year and rightfully so. IMO you got a £15 million bargain right there. If he was English and not Welsh he would have set you back twice that at least.

[lfc91]

Is the liverpool hearts match on tv tomorrow night?

[Crimey]

Don't think so.

Hoping for another win, game is certainly not even close to wrapped up. A performance similar to the Gomel second leg would be good.

Like to see this team:

Reina

Johnson
Skrtel
Agger
Enrique

Allen
Shelvey
Henderson

Sterling
Carroll
Suarez

I think we should rest Gerrard for this game as we want him fit for the Arsenal game. Borini has also played every game so makes sense to give him a rest. Sahin isn't eligible, so looks like he'll make his debut against the team he rejected.

[Guest]

Is the liverpool hearts match on tv tomorrow night?

ESPN mate.

[lfc91]

Cheers freakshow.

[Kenny]

Don't think so.

Hoping for another win, game is certainly not even close to wrapped up. A performance similar to the Gomel second leg would be good.

Like to see this team:

Reina

Johnson
Skrtel
Agger
Enrique

Allen
Shelvey
Henderson

Sterling
Carroll
Suarez

I think we should rest Gerrard for this game as we want him fit for the Arsenal game. Borini has also played every game so makes sense to give him a rest. Sahin isn't eligible, so looks like he'll make his debut against the team he rejected.

Think it's more likely to be a similar side to the one that played the first leg

[Crimey]

Don't think so.

Hoping for another win, game is certainly not even close to wrapped up. A performance similar to the Gomel second leg would be good.

Like to see this team:

Reina

Johnson
Skrtel
Agger
Enrique

Allen
Shelvey
Henderson

Sterling
Carroll
Suarez

I think we should rest Gerrard for this game as we want him fit for the Arsenal game. Borini has also played every game so makes sense to give him a rest. Sahin isn't eligible, so looks like he'll make his debut against the team he rejected.

Think it's more likely to be a similar side to the one that played the first leg

Rodgers has said it will be a much stronger side because of two home games in a row.

[Crimey]

Stoke have bid £5 million for Charlie Adam, I imagine we'll accept that, and if we're going to sell him than we may as well. Hopefully it'll start a bidding war and it'll go up a few million. Apparently it's to fund the Dempsey deal which is still on.

Shame to see Adam fail as early on it looked like he could be a good signing, he suffered when Lucas was injured and he was used as a defensive midfielder. I think he struggled with the expectations at Liverpool.

[Kenny]

Yes it is a shame about Adam , think he has fallen into the ' new manager ' trap he was a Kenny buy who just doesn't fit Rodgers plans unfortunatley .

I know he said there would maybe 1 or 2 deals done in the market before tomorrow with Dempsey the likely one coming in , do you think despite him saying he would be mad to sell him that Carroll will leave ? Spanish media linking Llorente with us today .

[Kenny]

Answer my own question
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/8033331/Rodgers-sees-Carroll-as-cover

Doesn't sound good for either Carroll or i assume Downing

[Beer]

Adam is a horrible player, Liverpool are best of shot of him.

£5m is a great deal for you.

[Crimey]

Rumours growing that Rodgers is just going to go all out and tell Carroll he doesn't want him and he has no future to try and push him out of the door and replace him with Dempsey and Walcott.

I think if Rodgers pushes Carroll out, it will be a move that the club will regret for many years.

[lfc91]

Crimey if we got carroll out an both dempsey and walcott in i would be extremely happy with that! Doubt we would have the money though unless we got 20 mill for carroll(which is never gonna happen).

[Crimey]

That's the issue, Rodgers has said that we can't have a £35 million striker as cover, yet we're not going to make back even half of that. I'd rather we sold Charlie Adam, got Jay Spearing out on loan, even sold Downing and kept Carroll because otherwise we're left with a very one dimensional side.

[GSC]

Lets be honest though, buying Carroll for £35m is a move the club will regret for many years

[Crimey]

It also shows that Rodgers has paid literally no attention to the fans who have given Carroll a bigger reception than any other player or the manager himself really. Not that I agree with the fans having power, Rodgers is only going to put himself under more pressure if he does things that directly go against everything the fans want.

[Kenny]

Crimey do you think the Carroll thing is Rodgers way of stamping his authority on the club ?

[Crimey]

Crimey do you think the Carroll thing is Rodgers way of stamping his authority on the club ?

Possibly, trying to show that he's only going to go by his own system. The only problem is that it's backfiring horribly as Carroll has become quite popular amongst Liverpool fans, and is trying to fight for his place at the club which suggests that he actually wants to be here which the fans respect. Where as Rodgers did reject the advances of the club twice, which suggests that his heart wasn't really in the move.

[Kenny]

I agree i think pushing Carroll out will come back to bite him , unless of course he does manage to bring in players who score lots of goals .

But with 1 day left that will be difficult to get Carroll out and replacements in , we will end up in the same situation we were in with Torres paying over the odds to replace him .

[Crimey]

I think Dempsey does want to move, but after Fulham got £15 million for Dembele, they won't be pushed around.

I don't think Walcott wants to move at all, he just wants more money at Arsenal.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

If Fulham lose Dempsey they would have lost these players over the past season:

Dempsey (maybe)
Dembele
Murphy
Etuhu
Johnson
Zamora
Pogrebnyak (I know was only on loan, but they didnt manage to secure a permanent)

I think there was more, but that is a heck of a lot of talent to lose

[Kenny]

I do think the Dempsey deal will happen just not for the price we want .

Walcott seems to of agreed to stay at Arsenal at least until January

[Beer]

I fully expect something to happen between Newcastle and Liverpool.

Carroll by all accounts hasn't endeared himself to Rodgers with his attitude towards leaving and basically saying it's Newcastle or nowhere, and you can see Rodgers frustration because we won't pay the fee others would.

[Crimey]

Andy Carroll must be gone.

Reina, Kelly, Carragher, Skrtel, Downing, Allen, Henderson, Gerrard, Shelvey, Suarez, Morgan

Bench: Jones, Johnson, Enrique, Agger, Coates, Borini, Sterling.

That's the team.

Reina

Kelly
Carragher
Skrtel
Downing

Henderson
Allen
Gerrard
Shelvey

Suarez
Morgan



Not too convinced with using Downing as a left back, or playing 4 central midfielders. Think Gerrard should have been rested as well.

I am really gutted that Carroll is being pushed out of the club.

[GSC]

Carroll on loan to West ham apparently

[Liam]

Still think you desperately need an out and out striker, someone to score the tap ins. Suarez/Borini etc will all play wide so you need that out and out striker. I thought Defoe would be a good buy but he's signed a 3 year deal with Spurs.

Also think you should have brought in a couple of wingers. Hoillet is another one I'm amazed you didn't go in for. would have been ideal.

Also on the note of Downing playing LB, where's Jack Robinson? he looked a promising youngster but I haven't seen him for a while.

[Crimey]

Really wouldn't be surprised to see Carroll outscore all the Liverpool strikers.

[Duty281]

Carroll on loan to West ham apparently

He will suit their style of play perfectly.

[Crimey]

This has been really poor so far.

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