aston villa thread

by jimmyinthewell68 Wed 18 Jul 2012, 1:26 pm

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well after the terrible frustrating long ball defend defend mcleash season ,villa have now a good prospect in Paul Lambert . when Martin oNeil left i was at first gutted like many villa fans but then when u add up all the average players he bought along with high wages then u can see why learner decided enough was enough .so Martin walked out . next come along gerard houllier a few weeks late in the season . lots of villa fans didnt take to him because of the early results but i liked the way we played under him and when he bought Darren bent and the players settled in his style of play we rocketed up the league .even beating Liverpool in revenge after that 4 nil beating and his infamous badly chosen words that didnt sit well with villa fans .poor health parted another manager . then come Alex .no more needs to be said on that . so now we have Paul . a few good signings come in and i for one now feels we can compete in cup games and perhaps a eighth position in league .

by westisbest Sat 19 Mar 2016, 7:30 pm

Typical of our season.
Guzan useless.

Didnt deserve to lose that game, from what i saw, which was a fair bit.

Ayew is wasted out wide, should be played as a striker.
Green looks ok, could be one for the future.

Lescott is slower than an oap.

Its so frustrating to watch.
I know the players are not good enough, buts whats worse is alot of them don't try.

Well then fk off if you dont want to put the effort in.

Its pathetic.

As for Garde, dont just fkng sit there like a plum, get off your a55 and have a go at the players. SHOW SOME PASSION FFS.

Its just sad to watch.

God i feel like i could cry. Rolling Eyes

by **Galted** Sat 19 Mar 2016, 9:56 pm

It's made that much worse when you remember the start of the Lerner era with all the build-up to signing Martin O'Neill and the feeling over the first few seasons that qualifying for the Champions League was just a matter of time. Now there's not a single fixture that you look at and think "that should be 3 points".

by westisbest Sun 20 Mar 2016, 8:32 am

Yep thats just distant memories now.

The only good thing at the club now is the changes to the board.

Thats a start.
Said it before, but new manager in, change the squad around.
Play some of the young lads, sign some players who know the championship, and also a player or 2 with experience, to help with the younger lads to.

If that gets done, we should do quite well next season.

Agree with you Galted, no fixture you can look at and say yeah, we might get 3 points.

7 games to go, only slight chance of a win is newcastle, which would be good as last home game in the prem.

our run in is

chelsea h
bournemouth h
man utd a
saints h
watford a
newcastle h
arsenal a

going to the saints game.
Would like to go to watford and if possible the newcastle game.

by **Galted** Sun 20 Mar 2016, 10:19 am

westisbest wrote:Yep thats just distant memories now.

The only good thing at the club now is the changes to the board.

Thats a start.
Said it before, but new manager in, change the squad around.
Play some of the young lads, sign some players who know the championship, and also a player or 2 with experience, to help with the younger lads to.

If that gets done, we should do quite well next season.

Agree with you Galted, no fixture you can look at and say yeah, we might get 3 points.

7 games to go, only slight chance of a win is newcastle, which would be good as last home game in the prem.

our run in is

chelsea h
bournemouth h
man utd a
saints h
watford a
newcastle h
arsenal a

going to the saints game.
Would like to go to watford and if possible the newcastle game.

Typical the last game has to be against Newcastle with so many of their supporters wishing relegation for Villa after the taunting they supposedly got last time they went down. Hopefully they go down too to shut them up.

by westisbest Tue 29 Mar 2016, 9:30 pm

As expected Garde is gone.

May not get a new manager by saturday.

Hopefully by the Bournemouth game.

Names branded.

Pearson.

pros, has experience in championship, did great in keeping leicester up.
cons, he is a loose cannon.
Can see him falling out with players and staff.
Dont actually loke the bloke, but he may be the best guy.

Bruce.

Again has experience in championship, dont actually mind the bloke.
Would probably stay with Hull if they go up.

Moyes.
Was steady with Everton did well i thought.
No championship experience though.

Gary Monk.
Hope not.

Also hope its not another foreign manager.

Needs to be someone that knows the championship.

Pearson could be the best bet.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 29 Mar 2016, 9:36 pm

Steve Bruce the best bet for me Westi - not a flashy hire but he'll sort you out

by westisbest Tue 29 Mar 2016, 9:46 pm

If he does get it, hope he does better than the last former Blues manager we had.

by Guest Sat 02 Apr 2016, 8:19 am

John Carver applies for the Villa job picard

by westisbest Sat 02 Apr 2016, 8:28 am

Hopefully he wont get it.

Hoping the new manager will be named early next week.

Lot being made of Gabby in Dubai last week.
In fairness, those not on international duty, should not have been able to go abroad.

Should have been training over easter.
Comes down to the manager that.

by Rowley Sat 02 Apr 2016, 9:09 am

Whilst Garde's departure is inevitable and almost certainly right, he'd have been a disaster in the championship, and has long looked like a bloke who would welcome the end, I can't help but feel he has been sold short. When he took the job he would surely have been told nurse things through to January and you will be given support then, there was talk in November of five players being brought in. He got none, not even one loan signing. Is it any wonder the bloke has looked a little disheartened.

Whilst nobody welcomes relelgation it could be the best thing that has happened for us. The last few seasons have been progressively more turgid and too many players have been phoning it in for an age. Gabby's antics are just a case in point. If this leads to a clear out, a manager more befitting our status and a better recruitment policy (could it be worse) it will benefit the club in the long run.

I would actually quite like Pearson, he may ruffle a few feathers amongst the playing staff, but would that be such a bad thing. I think a mentality of too big to go down has pervaded the whole club, we have Gabby acting like a bell end on his break, Lescott posting pictures of his £120,000 car an hour after a four nil thumping. If a manager is willing to post out to these guys that nonsense is not acceptable and bomb them into the reserves good luck to him.

The changes at board level are heartening, but we still show an inability to do things right. We have a two week international break and Garde goes three days before a game. If he was going why not do it straight after the Swansea game? I can't quite work out what the plan is, if it is to get someone in at the end of the season why get rid of him. If it is to get someone in with a view to him having the last few games to look at what he has got, surely Garde should have gone a good ten days ago, the new manager could be in the dug out today, particularly if it is one of the guys unattached such as Pearson.

by westisbest Mon 04 Apr 2016, 7:41 pm

The final nail in our coffin will be hammerd in on saturday if Norwich better our result.

Despite the drop been coming for some time, still cant come to terms with us playing football in the second tier.

Been in the top flight since 88/89.

Bottom of the table is where we belong and deserve the drop.

by **Galted** Mon 04 Apr 2016, 7:55 pm

Yep, have been resigned to it for a long while but there was always that faint hope of a miracle. Now, even if the 3 teams above were found to have fielded ineligible players and were docked half their points Villa would still be nose-deep in sh1t.

by Rowley Mon 04 Apr 2016, 8:56 pm

On the plus side as a Villa fan living in Rotherham I potentially have a shed load of away games a short train journey away next season. Rotherham, Wednesday, Leeds, Huddersfield, Forest, Derby. To be honest I spend more time on a Saturday watching their results and what they mean to their promotion/relegation than I do our inevitable defeats.

by westisbest Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:05 pm

The away days will be good.

Brentford, Bristol City, Fulham, Brighton, Reading, Cardiff QPR, Forest,

Try and do a couple of those at least if i can.

Then there is a small matter of Blues at home.

by **Galted** Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:33 pm

I'm still holding thumbs for a Charlton away day but at the moment it's looking like Villa will have to drop another division.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:36 pm

If you get your act together so you're a decent side, the championship is great fun

by westisbest Tue 05 Apr 2016, 11:07 pm

Dwight Yorke says he will apply for Villa job.

Wouldnt mind seeing Yorkie in some kind of coaching role at Villa, be that with the U21's, or some kind of coaching role with first teamers.

Slowly work up to being a manager somewhere.

I do like what Yorke has to say when he has talked about the club in the past.

by **Crimey** Wed 06 Apr 2016, 9:15 am

Also supposedly want Andy Townsend as Director of Football.

by westisbest Wed 06 Apr 2016, 10:21 pm

Not heard that.

Would be good to get a few ex players to follow Little that actually care.

by **Galted** Fri 15 Apr 2016, 11:26 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36035921

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 15 Apr 2016, 11:51 pm

"They're probably going to be relegated," Black said. "This could very easily implode. It could very easily turn into anarchy."
Points may say otherwise, but to me this is the worst premier league team in history

by westisbest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 3:33 am

Which is the sad thing, considering how long we have been in the top flight.

I knew we would be in a scrap for survival, but never this bad.

by Guest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:33 pm

Has Martin O'Neil given his view on the matter? He left the club in a good position but resigned because of differences over the future direction of the club between himself and Randy Lerner:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36062892

by Rowley Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:45 pm

O'Neill is very media savvy and has managed the narrative of his departure very well. The club maintain once it was apparent Milner was leaving for significant funds O'Neill asked for the money for reinvesting. The club agreed but with the caveat that some of the deadwood such as Harewood and Baye who were on good money would have to be moved on first. O'Neill was aware of this and did not do it, hence he was not given the Milner money to spend.

As a consequence of this he left in a fit of pique. Should also not be forgotten he left within a week of the season starting, thus ensuring the club would be left in the lurch and unable to get a suitable replacement in. Don't get me wrong three top six finishes under him was decent so I'll take nothing away from that but his portrayal as innocent victim who was not allowed to move the club forward is a little disingenuous.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 16 Apr 2016, 6:55 pm

His failure to get European football after spending ridiculous money on wages etc is what started this decline - managers after have had to cut back and it's finally taken its toll

by Guest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 7:19 pm

Thank you both, that paints a different picture on the matter. So perhaps O'Neill was in some respects part of the problem owing to the amount of money spent + liabilities (wages) and the short notice he gave when resigning and leaving.

by westisbest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 7:22 pm

Lescott after our defeat today.

"Now that it has been confirmed, it's a weight off our shoulders and we can give the fans what they deserve".

Is this guy for real.

He really is a fkn joke.
Sooner the summer comes the better.
He would be one of the first out the door.

by Guest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 8:16 pm

He's as thick as pigsh!t, Westy.

Another tweet that probably sent itself.

Good luck for next season anyway, hope you bounce back buddy Hug

by Lowlandbrit Sat 16 Apr 2016, 8:32 pm

westisbest wrote:Lescott after our defeat today.

"Now that it has been confirmed, it's a weight off our shoulders and we can give the fans what they deserve".

What is that even supposed to mean?

by westisbest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 8:45 pm

Cheers freek

Only he knows lowland.

Probably sent it from his pocket Whistle

by **Galted** Sat 16 Apr 2016, 9:40 pm

westisbest wrote:Lescott after our defeat today.

"Now that it has been confirmed, it's a weight off our shoulders and we can give the fans what they deserve".

What a complete c*nt (Lescott, not you Westy).

Apparently what he said was "now that it has been confirmed, it's a weight off our shoulders and we can give the fans what they deserve, some performances".

Have the players heroically not been giving performances all season in the dimwitted hope that the club would stay up? And now that it doesn’t matter are they thinking of actually making an attempt to win match?

by westisbest Sat 16 Apr 2016, 10:52 pm

I did hear he said something along the lines that the fans have been negative which hasn't helped.

Sorry Lescott, should we be jumping with joy and doing high fives and the season we have had.

by Rowley Sun 17 Apr 2016, 2:01 pm

Lescott should never play again. His comments yesterday were some of the most tactless and ill considered imaginable. As Collymore said the pressure has not lifted on the staff looking at redundancy through the ineptitude of those on the pitch.

by Rowley Sun 17 Apr 2016, 5:05 pm

Whilst I am not for one second justifying his comments yesterday I do think this incident provides an interesting insight into how badly the club is run. Who thought it was a good idea to choose Lescott to do the interview. On the back of the car tweet fans already hate him and whatever qualities he may have it is pretty much accepted tact is not one of them.

Does it not occur to anyone that such a person might not be best choice for an interview when fans are looking for something to be angry about?

by westisbest Sun 17 Apr 2016, 7:40 pm

Maybe because he is captain.
But agree bad decision him coming out.
Would have preferred Clarke, as he seems to be only one that cares.

Saw a tweet from McGrath saying Lescott only came for the money and didn't care. Called him a slime bag and a disgrace.

He did say he would coach villa defence next season for free ( tongue in cheek comment).

Would be interesting.

by Atila Sun 17 Apr 2016, 9:32 pm

westisbest wrote:Lescott after our defeat today.

"Now that it has been confirmed, it's a weight off our shoulders and we can give the fans what they deserve".

Lescott isn't the sharpest footballer out there.

If the statement is to make any sense, he's saying that the fans deserve Championship football.

by Guest Mon 18 Apr 2016, 3:34 pm

Aston Villa might get a good manager. The impression of Aston Villa is of a large shipping tanker that took wrong decisions / strategy many years ago that led to it taking a path that caused it to beach itself. Quick fix or five year strategy. I don't think there are any quick fixes apart from selling the club to an Arabian Oil Sheik, or a Russian Gangster or a Mexican Drug Lord. As others have mentioned it may take a while for Aston Villa to get rid of players contracted on high wages.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36072788

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 18 Apr 2016, 4:49 pm

Haven two of your board just quit in rage too?

by Guest Mon 18 Apr 2016, 5:40 pm

BBC wrote: ... David Bernstein ... resigned from the Aston Villa board two days after the club were relegated. Former FA chairman Bernstein joined in March as part of a boardroom shake-up at Villa Park ... In his resignation letter, Bernstein said the issues at the club were "fundamental" and his position had become "untenable". Bernstein was brought in to review the "football side of the club" at Villa ... He added: "Unfortunately it had proved impossible to implement the agreed structure and my position has quickly become untenable. "The issues at the club are fundamental and the solutions are radical and do not lend themselves to compromise."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36076936

by Rowley Mon 18 Apr 2016, 6:31 pm

King's letter is kicking about on Twitter. He lays the blame firmly with Lerner. His closing line is pretty much that until the club is sold we are screwed.

by Guest Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:33 pm

Open resignation letters.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/read-mervyn-king-david-bernstein-11205362

The Mervyn King letter is fairly anodyne - look forward to seeing the more explosive version when or if it appears.

by westisbest Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:46 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Haven two of your board just quit in rage too?

Yea Dolph.

Complete shambles.

Need Lerner to sell asap.

by Fernando Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:56 pm

Sky said something about having a manager lined up to give him time to build a squad for the championship but got rejected.

by Rowley Mon 18 Apr 2016, 8:13 pm

To be honest as a villa fan today is more depressing than Saturday. That just confirmed what has been coming for some time. The one glimmer of hope we had was that the flaws in how the club was being run had been identified and the new board represented a break with that and a chance to do things better.

Today feels like having that hope extinguished and us going back to business as usual, which is more than a little scary.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 18 Apr 2016, 8:18 pm

Moyes is apparently eager to manage Villa. Why?!

by Rowley Mon 18 Apr 2016, 8:31 pm

No idea mate. On the back of today's events you struggle to imagine why any manager would want to go within 100 miles of it, as quite clearly there are still some serious issues in the club set up.

by Ent Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:27 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Moyes is apparently eager to manage Villa. Why?!

He's struggling for a job given how utterly terrible his last 2 have gone.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:29 pm

Villa are a big club in the Championship - still an attractive proposition to turnaround if you believe you can

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:35 pm

Indeed but Villa? There are better clubs, better run than Villa. Newcastle for one, and thats saying something.

by westisbest Mon 18 Apr 2016, 11:20 pm

Olly wrote:Villa are a big club in the Championship - still an attractive proposition to turnaround if you believe you can

Exactly. Spot on.

I would say there are a few managers looking to take charge at Villa.

Lerner being a big obstacle though.

I would have hoped we would have had a new manager in a couple of weeks agao.
Time to work with the squad before the summer.

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