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Post by wales606 Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:04 pm

This is the squad voted on by 606v2 members

Matchday 23
1. Tony Woodcock (nz)
2. Bismarck Du Plessis (sa)
3. Adam Jones (wal)
4. Sam Whitelock (nz)
5. Ritchie Gray (sco)
6. Thierry Dusautoir (fra)
7. Ritchie McCaw (nz)
8. Keiran Read (nz)
9. Will Genia (aus)
10. Dan Carter (nz)
11. Digby Ioane (aus)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (nz)
13. Conrad Smith (nz)
14. Cory Jane (nz)
15. Israel Dagg (nz)

16. Keven Mealamu (nz)
17. Cian Healy (ire)
18. Owen Franks (nz)
19. Paul O'Connell (ire)
20. David Pocock (aus)
21. Aaron Smith (nz)
22. Aaron Cruden (nz)
23. Rob Kearney (ire)

Reserve Props
24. Gethin Jenkins (wal)
25. Dan Cole (eng)

Reserve Hooker
26. Rory Best (ire)

Reserve Locks
27. Andries Bekker (sa)
28. James Horwill (aus)

Reserve Flankers
29. Stephen Ferris (ire)
30. Willem Alberts (sa)
31. Sean O'Brien (ire)

Reserve no8
32. Sergio Parisse (ita)
33. Imanol Harinordoquy (fra)

Reserve Scrum Half
34. Morgan Parra (fra)
35. Ruan Pienaar (sa)

Reserve Fly Half
36. Jonathon Sexton (ire)

Reserve Centres
37. Maa Nonu (nz)
38. Brian O'Driscoll (ire)

Reserve Back 3
39. J.P Pieterson (sa)
40. Kurtley Beale (aus)


Representation in the starting team
New Zealand - 9
Australia - 2
South Africa - 1
France - 1
Wales - 1
Scotland - 1

Representation in the 23
New Zealand - 13
Australia - 3
Ireland - 3
South Africa - 1
France - 1
Wales - 1
Scotland 1

Representation in the 40 man squad
New Zealand - 14
Ireland - 8
Australia - 5
South Africa - 5
France -3
Wales - 2
Scotland - 1
England 1
Italy - 1



Loose Head Prop
Hooker
Tight Head Prop
Locks
Flankers
No8
Scrum Half
Fly Half
Centres
Wingers
Fullbacks
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:09 pm

Good job putting that altogether wales606.

If I were adding in players I'd like to see in an AB shirt, that's not a bad shout.

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Post by gowales Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:28 pm

Yea thanks for that very interesting to see the results.

I pretty much agree with that team but i'm not sure about Adam J as starting tight head though i'd have Franks in there instead, he adds so much more to a team.

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Post by yappysnap Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:37 pm

Yea Adam Jones is probably the only question mark, especially with how good Franks is currently and how good Cole has been for the past few seasons (reliability is a real weakness of Jones).

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Post by Geordie Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:37 pm

Shows how strong this area is in world rugby when this is a list of reserves.....!

Reserve Flankers
29. Stephen Ferris (ire)
30. Willem Alberts (sa)
31. Sean O'Brien (ire)


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Post by wales606 Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:37 pm

gowales wrote:Yea thanks for that very interesting to see the results.

I pretty much agree with that team but i'm not sure about Adam J as starting tight head though i'd have Franks in there instead, he adds so much more to a team.

Well Wales are 6Nations champions,

yet 3rd place Ireland have 4 times as many players in the 40, 3 times as many in the 22

and 4th placed France have more.

We have to at least have more starting players than Ireland Wink.
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Post by John Cregan Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:39 pm

Where's Paddy Wallace?

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Post by wales606 Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:40 pm

John Cregan wrote:Where's Paddy Wallace?

At home? I don't know, im not tracking him at the moment.
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Post by gowales Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:41 pm

wales606 wrote:
gowales wrote:Yea thanks for that very interesting to see the results.

I pretty much agree with that team but i'm not sure about Adam J as starting tight head though i'd have Franks in there instead, he adds so much more to a team.

Well Wales are 6Nations champions,

yet 3rd place Ireland have 4 times as many players in the 40, 3 times as many in the 22

and 4th placed France have more.

We have to at least have more starting players than Ireland Wink.

True!

Or maybe we just play well as a collective team!

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:50 pm

gowales wrote:
wales606 wrote:
gowales wrote:Yea thanks for that very interesting to see the results.

I pretty much agree with that team but i'm not sure about Adam J as starting tight head though i'd have Franks in there instead, he adds so much more to a team.

Well Wales are 6Nations champions,

yet 3rd place Ireland have 4 times as many players in the 40, 3 times as many in the 22

and 4th placed France have more.

We have to at least have more starting players than Ireland Wink.

True!

Or maybe we just play well as a collective team!

Or Ireland just don't play that well as a collective team Wink
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Post by maestegmafia Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:53 pm

Well done mate. Interesting list. Pretty accurate and I'd agree with KRD re Ireland.

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Post by bluestonevedder Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:15 pm

Cracking job Wales606.

Certainly a proud day for NZ fans! Really shows their dominance

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Post by yappysnap Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:19 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:Cracking job Wales606.

Certainly a proud day for NZ fans! Really shows their dominance

They've won a WC and just won the Bledisloe but no this is a proud day for NZ fans!

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Post by bluestonevedder Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:29 pm

It was a bit tongue in cheek yappy!

But they should be proud. The fine folk of 606v2 have recognised their great players, and eternally etched them into the stone that is the 606v2 topic wall.

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Post by gowales Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:40 pm

notworthy

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Post by tigertattie Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:41 pm

do the poll again but ban folk form voting for players form thier own country. Will change it up a bit

But then if most folk on here are NZ'ers then it scews that too.

end of the day, tis a bit of fun!
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Post by wales606 Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:44 pm

tigertattie wrote:do the poll again but ban folk form voting for players form thier own country. Will change it up a bit

But then if most folk on here are NZ'ers then it scews that too.

end of the day, tis a bit of fun!

Fair bit of Irish bias me thinks Very Happy
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Post by LordDowlais Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:59 pm

wales606 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:do the poll again but ban folk form voting for players form thier own country. Will change it up a bit

But then if most folk on here are NZ'ers then it scews that too.

end of the day, tis a bit of fun!

Fair bit of Irish bias me thinks Very Happy

Just a little Whistle Also, Adam Jones has three grand slams Lions tours and has pretty much beaten all of his opostion counterparts over the years and people are questioning his ability Headscratch Although you have to agree with all the New Zealand players in that side. New Zealand are pretty much the benchmark for the rest of us when it comes to rugby union, and it will be al ong time before they are ousted as world no.1.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:26 pm

Can we do this again in the New Year and see if there are any changes?
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Post by Morgannwg Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:13 pm

I thought V2s best team would have been the NZ 1-5, Irelands back-row, NZ 9-15.
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Post by drsambo1928 Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:20 pm

I agree with that team except I would get rid of Whitelock and put in POC and Go for Pocock over Richie McCaw.

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Post by anotherworldofpain Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:32 pm

POC always struggle to live up to his reputation. He's a great club player, but internationally I've never seen him play a stand out game.


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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:37 pm

Yeah but you've also never seen Halfpenny put in a sound defensive display at fullback so presumably you don't actually watch NH teams. Or you're blind, in which case I am very sorry for your condition
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Post by anotherworldofpain Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:33 pm

I watch them. Relentlessly. However disappointing it inevitably is. I don't want to miss that day that is Wales'. By all accounts it will be spectacular and rivalled only by the birth of the universe itself. Whistle

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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:35 pm

Laugh
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Post by anotherworldofpain Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:37 pm

Please check disclaimer on the other thread and not get offended kiss

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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:40 pm

I'm not Welsh, take the urine out of them all you like!
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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:45 pm

kiss love you AWOP Laugh
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Post by aucklandlaurie Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:19 am


Congratulations, to Kieren Read for making the 606 v 2 Worlds best players team.

Especially as it was only last week I read somewhere (not a million miles away) that he was overrated.

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Post by Morgannwg Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:26 am

That was me, I find it difficult to pay attention sometimes because i'm thinking about the next fancy backline moves. He certainly shut this doubter up. And btw, we Wales, on our day, can beat anyone.
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Post by wales606 Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:37 am

That day make only come around every 50 years for NZ, 10 for SA and 3/4 for Aus...

Made up for by almost every day being beat Ireland day Very Happy angel
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Post by aucklandlaurie Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:25 am

Morgannwg wrote:That was me, I find it difficult to pay attention sometimes because i'm thinking about the next fancy backline moves. He certainly shut this doubter up. And btw, we Wales, on our day, can beat anyone.


yeah, but the All Blacks arent anyone.

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Post by nganboy Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:46 am

Thanks for all the good work Wales.
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Post by Morgannwg Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:10 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:That was me, I find it difficult to pay attention sometimes because i'm thinking about the next fancy backline moves. He certainly shut this doubter up. And btw, we Wales, on our day, can beat anyone.


yeah, but the All Blacks arent anyone.

So you're saying the All Blacks no-one?
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Post by aucklandlaurie Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:25 am


No theyre just not anyone.

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Post by Morgannwg Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:28 am

So they're someone?
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Post by aucklandlaurie Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:57 am


just not anyone.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:26 pm

Cracking team.

Only 2 I wouldn't have would be Jones & Woodcock who are living a little of reputation lately.

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Post by anotherworldofpain Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:32 pm

I'm actually surprised at the make up of the bench. Why name a reserve full back when you are playing Dagg and Jane and leave the midfield so exposed? I'd fit in a 9/10 option and name a genuine reserve center. So bring in Nonu and Weepu and drop out Kearney and Cruden.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:37 pm

Weepu???

He should be nowhere near a World 23!

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Post by anotherworldofpain Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:38 pm

I've also questioned POC on the "most over-rated" thread. So I have to take the issue with him on the bench. To me his loyalty is all for his club and he brings little to the international stage. I would replace him with Bekker or David Sharpe, or maybe get Brad Thorne out of his coffin for one more frankenstein appearance where I would start him in front of Richie Gray.

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:45 pm

wales606 wrote:That day make only come around every 50 years for NZ, 10 for SA and 3/4 for Aus...

Made up for by almost every day being beat Ireland day Very Happy angel

Wow you must have great respect for Irish rugby if beating us makes up for all that thumbsup

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:48 pm

Can't argue with much of that team although I'd have Nonu ahead of Williams personally and if I was picking a true team Pocock wouldn't be on my bench I'd want a more versatile backrow proabably SOB

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Post by wales606 Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:51 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:I'm actually surprised at the make up of the bench. Why name a reserve full back when you are playing Dagg and Jane and leave the midfield so exposed? I'd fit in a 9/10 option and name a genuine reserve center. So bring in Nonu and Weepu and drop out Kearney and Cruden.

Carter covers 12, Cruden covers Carter (as happens with the All Blacks)

Therefore as the highest voted for back 3 player, Kearney covers the back 3.
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Post by ChequeredJersey Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:57 pm

Does Dagg really cover wing?
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Post by wales606 Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:59 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Does Dagg really cover wing?

He has played there before for the All Blacks when Mils was at FB. Kearney can also play on the wing aswell.
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Post by goneagain Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:23 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Does Dagg really cover wing?

Just a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx4fc9oRerw

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Post by Morgannwg Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:41 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Does Dagg really cover wing?

Yes, and he takes kicks. Corey Jane can also play at full-back.

The back 3 is a strong area for NZ rugby; they have left out Guildford and Maitland who could both step up. Kahui and SBW also did well on the wing!
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Post by Morgannwg Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:46 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:I've also questioned POC on the "most over-rated" thread. So I have to take the issue with him on the bench. To me his loyalty is all for his club and he brings little to the international stage. I would replace him with Bekker or David Sharpe, or maybe get Brad Thorne out of his coffin for one more frankenstein appearance where I would start him in front of Richie Gray.

I don't know who David Sharpe is but that is just so wrong. You must not have watched rugby for long if it's your opinion. But POC was carrying a struggling Irish pack while he was injured himself in recent times. He has brought a lot to Munster and Ireland during 2003-10, when Ireland had some of their best days. Thorne is a once in a generation player, probably the finest rugby player NZ have poached (just pipping Lomu for that title). However he doesn't apply to this for the same reason Kaino doesn't.
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Post by drsambo1928 Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:51 pm

How can one dismiss POC, his work rate is top notch and he looks like a player who is constantley injured and despite this, he still is one of the best second rows in the world. Watch any Ireland match on you tube and you will realise you are wrong to dismiss POC.

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