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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:59 am

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Driver Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:33 am

I didn't think Hape ever had a bad game for England , when we played Italy he looked like Nonu. Drawing 3 or 4 defenders with def little offloads.

I would of went for 12.Hape 13.Tuilagi in the world cup.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:38 am

Hape suited the fast offloading game, was a good 12 for us. Played really well off Flood I thought.

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Post by stnick88 Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:59 pm

Such a solid defender as well. Little gutted he left Irish as we are left short at 12 now. Has he been playing in France anyone know?

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:21 pm

He got the only try of the game for his team against Castres last week, which won them the game. Seems to be settling in well over there.

Think the trouble with England is that they play very conservatively, when Lancester first came in it was clear that he just wanted to solve the defence issues, which he by and large has done - I thought that this would mean he'd go on and play more attacking rugby, but it seems that Farrell could be an issue.

Best example is how we don't use Foden at all, its almost like he's told not to join the attack - for Saints he's joining the line and is one of the best attackers in the AP, but we just don't use him for England.

Glad to see Youngs back for Tigers - think putting him, Lawes and Wood back in the team will make a big difference - wonder who the back three will be come the AI's.

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Post by stnick88 Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:37 pm

I think the way Care has been playing Youngs will have to play out of his skin to get the 9 shirt.

Back three, Ashton and Brown nailed on. Other wing spot is open.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:53 pm

Care's been playing really well - though think an onform Youngs offers more overall.

Who would you have as the other winger? Think Wade has been on great form, but wouldnt want to see him thrown in against NZ wings just yet - he'd be ideal for 6Nations, but couldn't see him get enough ball at the moment.

Is Corbs back playing yet?

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Like Nick says, Youngs will have to being great form to oust Care.

Big article in the Sunday Times last week that the other wing spot has to be Monye.

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Post by stnick88 Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:00 pm

No Corbs not back till November. Marler has been playing well.

I'd go.

1 Marler
2 Hartley
3 Cole
4 Lawes
5 Parling
6 Wood
7 Robshaw
8 Morgan
9 Care
10 Flood
11 ???
12 Twelvetrees
13 Tuilagi
14 Ashton
15 Brown

Stuck for who else to go at 12 bar 36? Burns is knocking on the door but stick with Flood for now. No idea about the other wing, Monye maybe.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:05 pm

Youngs needs to come in playing like he left, good options to have though.

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:05 pm

Burns has been sensational has to be in Squad. Care all the way for me. youngs on form would be the best. however he has barely been in form in about 2 years.

Monye has been playing well. May needs to be playing wing for his club to be near to playing for england.

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Post by stnick88 Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:10 pm

Burns should be bench for me as can cover fullback too.

wingers there is a lot of good players but no standouts really.

monye, sharples, may, yarde, varndell, wade

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:22 pm

Probably opt for

Marler
Hartley
Cole
Lawes
Parling
Robshaw
Wood
Morgan
Care
Flood
Monye
Tuilagi
Joseph
Ashton
Brown

I am still convinced that we should look to move Tuilagi to 12 with more talent outside at 13 (Joseph, Daly, Lowe etc). Don't think 36 ready yet.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:28 pm

Not going to add Banahan to that list Mat?

JSD seems to be the form wing in the AP at the moment - absolutely ripped Wasps to pieces, guess his age will count against him now.

Who is in the EPS?

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Post by stnick88 Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:30 pm

think its too late for JSD. I'd rather give youngsters like May, Wade and Yarde a look at.

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:34 pm

Defo no banahan. JSD is easily good enough for England and again is the form wing in english rugby.
he is not going to get a look in so we should look elsewhere.

Personally JSD should start every time. Has it all.

He is first choice at glos when sharples and may are fit.

Sharples been out injured since Irish game and is only back next week i think

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:40 pm

How old is Monye?

Always been a huge fan of JSD, even though he always scores against Wasps!

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:45 pm

Monye is 1 year younger than JSD

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:54 pm

JSD has said he's pretty much retired from Int

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:57 pm

Only because he cant get picked. said he is always available. he would offer such a threat at international and make our backs less static. he could pop up at 1st 2nd receiver like he does for glos and add fluidity

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:00 pm

Great in attack, I don't think he has the defence personally

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Post by prop_lyd Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:01 am

He's baaaaackkkkkkkkk!!!! http://www.london-welsh.co.uk/index.php?mod=news_view&id=1360

Also, Clarke starts on the wing for Worcester.....didn't even know he covered there?!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:26 am

Clark used to play wing mate until he got injured, he lost a lot of gas

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:34 am

Sinbad on England:

http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/d-probably-say-England-ndash-Sinbad/story-17033790-detail/story.html

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:30 am

InTeresting that pooly. Not seen that before. On itv west he said he would
Never say never but thought his ship had sailed.

Sale will get drubbed I think. Typical brush side he buys players rather than thinking how they will fit a side. Bet grey is thinking why did I turn down all rl these top French sides!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:36 am

It was only yesterday I think Matt, just popped up on newnow. Can understand he's point of view tbh

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:40 am

Do you regularly read this is Somerset pooly? You so want to be west country Very Happy

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:58 am

Haha...done 4 years at Brize Norton mate, I am West Country!!!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:01 am

And 2 years at Locking (Weston S Mare)......what a dump!

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Post by prop_lyd Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:17 am

Should have done Beachley Pooly and been near the Forest!!
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:47 am

Too true prop. He could have sampled the forest women !!!

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Post by prop_lyd Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:11 am

Exactly!! They would have loved him!!

Samson Lee motm in Scarlets match........here's hoping he gets his break with Wales so you guys can see him and I can select him!!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:08 am

Youngs is back! Very Happy

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:27 am

Really strange match that. Sale had loads of the game, but never ever really looked like winning, or even getting close. Tiggers never really got beyond 3rd gear but were comfortable winners.
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:23 am

Samson lee been spoke of for a while. Youngs service was top tonight. Got caught out a few times but that is the best come back game I have seen him have. Basics were great which is the crux. Got caught out around base and a few other things which are purely die to match fitness.

Cole must be one of best props in world. Him mas and franks easy top 3 th.

As pete says spine is 2,8,9,10,

Sale have taylor powell Willis McLeod who has heard of them or at best knows them and rates them??

Ford looks mustard so intelligent.

Miller another abendanon great counter attacker but terrible in contact and defence ie a luxury player.

Thought youngs hooker was average despite arm chair ride. Nowhere near international

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:26 am

Youngs kicking was also excellent. Both him and Care have a top box kick. For last year youngs basics been all over the place. This was the youngs of old. Great to see

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:22 am

Watch morahan for glos tomorrow. Journeyman but been top for glos on wing with sharples and
May out.
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Post by prop_lyd Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:15 pm

Yeah I've been impressed by him too!! C'mon Glos let's smash Barf!!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:44 pm

Tigers haven't got out of 3rd gear all season for me. Still missing a few in the pack witch may have something to do with it.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:54 pm

Just reading back over the discussion of Wilko playing for the Lions. Just seen this comment on the main baords which sums it up really well for me...

doctor_grey wrote:Even at the end of his career Jonny gets so much attention. Of course he has a shot to go with the Lions. He is playing quite well at Toulon and appears happier than he was at home. One thing I see watching Toulon is that they do change their game plan significantly, if needed, based upon the opponent. So Jonny might be standing back and kicking a lot in some matches, but in others he plays flatter and gets his backs moving. So he is showing he can play that way - which is how he played as a young gun for Newcastle and England, many moons ago.

To be fair, though, I think his chances of going on tour with the Lions are fairly small. He has retired from International Rugby, and has not played at that level for a while. And he does have the benefit of a strong pack in front of him.

One factor in Jonny's favour is the lack of a strong pool of out-halves at this moment. To me only Sexton is a certainty (barring injury, of course). Flood is probable, but needs to regain the England jumper first. Then there are a lot of young up-and-comers who have shown glimpses of greatness (hopefully on target for the 2015 RWC).

A second factor in Jonny's favour is that he is still a huge name in Rugby globally. Apologies to all Home Nations players, but Jonny is still a bigger name, especially outside our islands. He would bring a lot more attention to the Lions tour.

A third factor is composition of the Toulon team itself. Yes, it has a lot of (former? older?) stars. But this is a team full of people form many different clubs and countries. It takes a strong personality on the pitch to keep them all on the same page and win consistently. It takes a lot more than one training camp to build a cohesive team. Yet, Jonny is a key part of that, very important at 10, and that's a special talent needed almost uniquely with the Lions.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:49 am

Talking of scrum halfs, Dan Robson is looking fantastic again. I think Youngs & Care will have another issue sooner rather than later, boy has it all.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:07 am

Care, Youngs, Robson, L.Dickson...we have some serious options. Annoying how we have great at 9, 15, 6 etc so but so little in others.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:12 am

Crazy, just seems to happen in spurts. 13 is the same with loads of options.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:26 am

Guys is there a different rule with EQ's in the European games next week? Sure we needed more in a match day squad or something?

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:29 am

Irish - wow.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:55 am

Just watching the bath glaws match. Donald going well, Harden getting destroyed by James.

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Post by stnick88 Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:53 am

Aulika destroyed tonga'uhia today, was awesome. Garvey completely outplayed lawes too. It all clicked for Irish was great to watch. Jj excellent.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:26 am

Tommy Taylor a class younster. Played with him.

He will go far I suspect.

Sale in trouble. Losing faith in Diamond/redpath atm

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Post by stnick88 Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:43 am

I still think welsh will go down

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:49 am

stnick88 wrote:Aulika destroyed tonga'uhia today, was awesome. Garvey completely outplayed lawes too. It all clicked for Irish was great to watch. Jj excellent.


Tiny been dreadful for a year or so. All saints fans at glos game said he is gone. Still good in maul but has lost his legs and is barely a prem player now.

Saints have massive issues. No 10,8 or goal kicker. You can give pens away vs saints without it hurting


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Post by Guest Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:50 am

Steven_Sharks wrote:Tommy Taylor a class younster. Played with him.

He will go far I suspect.

Sale in trouble. Losing faith in Diamond/redpath atm

Tommy taylor poor vs Leicester even against youngs

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